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Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10142 Posts
May 26 2013 14:10 GMT
#1261
On May 26 2013 23:10 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2013 23:09 ACrow wrote:
On May 26 2013 23:08 Makro wrote:
On May 26 2013 23:05 Nachtwind wrote:
On May 26 2013 23:03 Sated wrote:
On May 26 2013 23:01 crappen wrote:
On May 26 2013 23:00 Yonnua wrote:
What the f-? Why is TLO suddenly being so bm to Lucifron?


I didnt see this as BM, more like confidence, telling everyone he got it back

Explain to me how "manner" Hatches and "manner" MULEs are any different to typing "GTFO" into the chat...


Sometimes it´s equaly BM to stay in the game when you clearly lost. Me not know if that was the case in the last game though.


i think we need a special aligulac to measure the level of bm of each action

With a rating ranging from Grubby to Idra.

Naniwa BM > Idra BM.


Naniwa is on his own level of awkward BM, not fair.
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
May 26 2013 14:10 GMT
#1262
On May 26 2013 23:10 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2013 23:09 ACrow wrote:
On May 26 2013 23:08 Makro wrote:
On May 26 2013 23:05 Nachtwind wrote:
On May 26 2013 23:03 Sated wrote:
On May 26 2013 23:01 crappen wrote:
On May 26 2013 23:00 Yonnua wrote:
What the f-? Why is TLO suddenly being so bm to Lucifron?


I didnt see this as BM, more like confidence, telling everyone he got it back

Explain to me how "manner" Hatches and "manner" MULEs are any different to typing "GTFO" into the chat...


Sometimes it´s equaly BM to stay in the game when you clearly lost. Me not know if that was the case in the last game though.


i think we need a special aligulac to measure the level of bm of each action

With a rating ranging from Grubby to Idra.

Naniwa BM > Idra BM.

I would agree with that ^^
Moderatorlickypiddy
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10142 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-26 14:11:58
May 26 2013 14:11 GMT
#1263
On May 26 2013 23:10 Jockmcplop wrote:
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On May 26 2013 23:09 Sated wrote:
On May 26 2013 23:08 Sewi wrote:
On May 26 2013 23:05 Waxangel wrote:
On May 26 2013 23:04 KelsierSC wrote:
On May 26 2013 23:03 Yonnua wrote:
On May 26 2013 23:01 crappen wrote:
On May 26 2013 23:00 Yonnua wrote:
What the f-? Why is TLO suddenly being so bm to Lucifron?


I didnt see this as BM, more like confidence, telling everyone he got it back


Even if that's the case, it's really vile to lucifron who's never done anything to TLO. I was rooting for TLO until I saw that but I don't want to see him in Korea if this is the attitude he's going to bring.


You don't watch a lot of bomber do you.

It is just a bit of good fun in game. Outside of game TLO is very manner and respects his opponents.


well, some people don't like bomber for this reason, too

it's fine that we like/dislike certain things about players, if we were all uniform we'd be pretty boring fans :D


Thats true. And we would have nothing to discuss here on TL :p

Anyways, I dont think people should take this to seriously. TLO is always very respectful towards his opponents and I'm pretty sure he did this because of the rally mistake and didnt plan to be bm. He could have sent his drones back to mining ofc but I wouldnt overreact and call TLO bm

I don't think that TLO is a particularly BM player, but that was BM.


In game actions as BM are very different to Naniwa/Idra BM. They are meant to try and make your opponent leave the game, not to insult/humiliate.


I don't know, when i dance units or throw mules i do it to humilliate and rejoice in my victory. My opponent leaving at that point is a plus.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
May 26 2013 14:11 GMT
#1264
On May 26 2013 23:08 KelsierSC wrote:
WCS EU Season 1 Premier League Finals - Consolation Finals
[image loading] (Z)TLO 2 - 1 [image loading] (T)LucifroN

Game 4

Map - Newkirk Precinct

00:00 - TLO spawns bottom left, Lucifron spawns bottom right


01:00 - Rax first followed by gas

02:00 - TLO expands
pool
reaper production begins

03:00 - 2 queens from TLO
CC begins
2nd reaper

04:00 - factory from Lucifron
Reaper scouts but lings are out so no drone kills should be allowed
1 gas from TLO
reactor from Luci

05:00 - reaper goes down!! good play from TLO
2nd CC for Luci
2 more queens for TLO
3rd hatch from TLO towards the opponents base
Zerg for Life
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33592 Posts
May 26 2013 14:12 GMT
#1265
that was a pretty bad reaper start D:
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Hypemeup
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden2783 Posts
May 26 2013 14:12 GMT
#1266
On May 26 2013 23:10 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2013 23:10 Fusilero wrote:
On May 26 2013 23:09 ACrow wrote:
On May 26 2013 23:08 Makro wrote:
On May 26 2013 23:05 Nachtwind wrote:
On May 26 2013 23:03 Sated wrote:
On May 26 2013 23:01 crappen wrote:
On May 26 2013 23:00 Yonnua wrote:
What the f-? Why is TLO suddenly being so bm to Lucifron?


I didnt see this as BM, more like confidence, telling everyone he got it back

Explain to me how "manner" Hatches and "manner" MULEs are any different to typing "GTFO" into the chat...


Sometimes it´s equaly BM to stay in the game when you clearly lost. Me not know if that was the case in the last game though.


i think we need a special aligulac to measure the level of bm of each action

With a rating ranging from Grubby to Idra.

Naniwa BM > Idra BM.

I would agree with that ^^


Can remove BM from that sentence to the effect!

Where is combat-ex level of desperation bm? Slightly above the most BM?
rothsbury
Profile Joined January 2012
Australia1654 Posts
May 26 2013 14:12 GMT
#1267
On May 26 2013 23:07 xN.07)MaK wrote:
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On May 26 2013 23:04 rothsbury wrote:
On May 26 2013 23:00 DidYuhim wrote:
On May 26 2013 23:00 Bagi wrote:
On May 26 2013 22:54 LimitSEA wrote:
Yayyy. Another hell bat drop. I'm incredibly surprised to see this in a match that involves Terran.

:|

"Yayyy. Another marine/marauder drop. I'm incredibly surprised to see this in a match that involves Terran."

Why are people allowed to drop bio but not hellbats?

Because people don't want to learn to deal with drops.

Or they can't deal with drops.

Eh hellbat drops are pretty strong given how cheap hellbats are. Even blizzard made them the only 2 supply unit to take up 4 medivac spaces because they were too effective. 100 mins for lots of HP, lots of AOE damage and ability to be healed. I mean they're obviously not so OP that any of the matchups are imbalanced, but I think they pack a bit too much bang for their buck.


But then again, you don't see Ts dominating the scene, so it's compensated somewhere else. Maybe if you nerf them, you see no Ts in the RO8 of any major tournament.

If something 'works' don't change it.

There's a difference between a race being imbalanced and a particular unit being OP. There is a write up on TL on this theme:

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Game_Balance
anatase
Profile Joined May 2010
France532 Posts
May 26 2013 14:12 GMT
#1268
Germany I love you, TLO is love you.
Win This.
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10142 Posts
May 26 2013 14:13 GMT
#1269
On May 26 2013 23:12 rothsbury wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2013 23:07 xN.07)MaK wrote:
On May 26 2013 23:04 rothsbury wrote:
On May 26 2013 23:00 DidYuhim wrote:
On May 26 2013 23:00 Bagi wrote:
On May 26 2013 22:54 LimitSEA wrote:
Yayyy. Another hell bat drop. I'm incredibly surprised to see this in a match that involves Terran.

:|

"Yayyy. Another marine/marauder drop. I'm incredibly surprised to see this in a match that involves Terran."

Why are people allowed to drop bio but not hellbats?

Because people don't want to learn to deal with drops.

Or they can't deal with drops.

Eh hellbat drops are pretty strong given how cheap hellbats are. Even blizzard made them the only 2 supply unit to take up 4 medivac spaces because they were too effective. 100 mins for lots of HP, lots of AOE damage and ability to be healed. I mean they're obviously not so OP that any of the matchups are imbalanced, but I think they pack a bit too much bang for their buck.


But then again, you don't see Ts dominating the scene, so it's compensated somewhere else. Maybe if you nerf them, you see no Ts in the RO8 of any major tournament.

If something 'works' don't change it.

There's a difference between a race being imbalanced and a particular unit being OP. There is a write up on TL on this theme:

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Game_Balance


But hellbats are not OP. Stop crying for fucks sake.
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
May 26 2013 14:13 GMT
#1270
TLO learned to build a roach warren against hellions, yay!
He can win this now, yippieeee
Get off my lawn, young punks
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
May 26 2013 14:13 GMT
#1271
--- Nuked ---
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33592 Posts
May 26 2013 14:13 GMT
#1272
OH SHIT SYMBOL TIME
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
May 26 2013 14:13 GMT
#1273
On May 26 2013 23:09 Bagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2013 23:05 LimitSEA wrote:
On May 26 2013 23:03 Big J wrote:
On May 26 2013 23:02 LimitSEA wrote:
On May 26 2013 23:00 Bagi wrote:
On May 26 2013 22:54 LimitSEA wrote:
Yayyy. Another hell bat drop. I'm incredibly surprised to see this in a match that involves Terran.

:|

"Yayyy. Another marine/marauder drop. I'm incredibly surprised to see this in a match that involves Terran."

Why are people allowed to drop bio but not hellbats?

Hellbats are bio, silly.

And it's not a balance whine, Hellbat drops just don't feel as entertaining as marine drops. And seeing them all the time in every match up bores me to no end.


what's so much more fun in marine drops? The fact that they kill buildings as well?

Yes. Marine drops can be done extraordinarily well on two or three fronts, sniping tech, hatches or just drawing armies out of position. Hellbats drops, while possibly multipronged, are more just dropping into mineral lines and burning workers. It's not as exciting as watching someone who's incredibly good at multipronged drop harass.


Hellbat drops are arguably more interesting imo as they can be hugely successful or just a huge fail depending on the players micro. Marine drops will kill X amount of workers or a tech building each time, microing the drop and against it usually matters less in the outcome.

Well I suppose it's entirely subjective, but I don't agree that a Marine drop will kill X amount of workers or a tech building each time. Good drop defense in either case will lead to the drop being ineffective, and I feel like there's more potential with marine drops.

But yeah, as I said, it's really subjective I suppose. I'm not going to criticize you for not liking what I like.
Long live the King of Wings
Yunarc
Profile Joined March 2011
United States314 Posts
May 26 2013 14:13 GMT
#1274
Nydus, I love it
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
May 26 2013 14:14 GMT
#1275
On May 26 2013 23:12 Hypemeup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2013 23:10 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On May 26 2013 23:10 Fusilero wrote:
On May 26 2013 23:09 ACrow wrote:
On May 26 2013 23:08 Makro wrote:
On May 26 2013 23:05 Nachtwind wrote:
On May 26 2013 23:03 Sated wrote:
On May 26 2013 23:01 crappen wrote:
On May 26 2013 23:00 Yonnua wrote:
What the f-? Why is TLO suddenly being so bm to Lucifron?


I didnt see this as BM, more like confidence, telling everyone he got it back

Explain to me how "manner" Hatches and "manner" MULEs are any different to typing "GTFO" into the chat...


Sometimes it´s equaly BM to stay in the game when you clearly lost. Me not know if that was the case in the last game though.


i think we need a special aligulac to measure the level of bm of each action

With a rating ranging from Grubby to Idra.

Naniwa BM > Idra BM.

I would agree with that ^^


Can remove BM from that sentence to the effect!

Where is combat-ex level of desperation bm? Slightly above the most BM?

Hmmmm, stream sniper BM is pretty strong but it's always in a casual setting nanidra often has obligations to behave so their BM in defiance of expectations if definite boost to their level of BM I think it goes.
Idra < Stream snipers < Naniwa.
Glorious SEA doto
emanresU
Profile Joined November 2012
Germany393 Posts
May 26 2013 14:14 GMT
#1276
only bfh or is it full on mech?
There is nothing more cool than being proud of the things you love. -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
eGoRama
Profile Joined July 2011
Bulgaria1542 Posts
May 26 2013 14:14 GMT
#1277
that ramp block
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
May 26 2013 14:14 GMT
#1278
Woahhhh, solid defense from TLO. And if he gets a nydus up, this could be huge!
Long live the King of Wings
Blaec
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia4289 Posts
May 26 2013 14:14 GMT
#1279
Lucifron is in terrible trouble
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
May 26 2013 14:14 GMT
#1280
On May 26 2013 23:11 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2013 23:08 KelsierSC wrote:
WCS EU Season 1 Premier League Finals - Consolation Finals
[image loading] (Z)TLO 2 - 1 [image loading] (T)LucifroN

Game 4

Map - Newkirk Precinct

00:00 - TLO spawns bottom left, Lucifron spawns bottom right


01:00 - Rax first followed by gas

02:00 - TLO expands
pool
reaper production begins

03:00 - 2 queens from TLO
CC begins
2nd reaper

04:00 - factory from Lucifron
Reaper scouts but lings are out so no drone kills should be allowed
1 gas from TLO
reactor from Luci

05:00 - reaper goes down!! good play from TLO
2nd CC for Luci
2 more queens for TLO
3rd hatch from TLO towards the opponents base


06:00 - speed for TLO
2nd factory
hellions being produced
triple gas from TLO

07:00 - Lair and Roach Warren
Blue flame from TLO
Good reaper hellion harassment from Lucifron

08:00 - couple of roaches for safety
more hellions being made
NYDUS WORM
Double Armoury

09:00 - TLO sees the blue flame but about 10-15 hellions run up!!!
TLO BLOCKS THE MAIN he forces it away
roach speed
NYDUS GOES DOWN OUTSIDE OF THE NATURAL OF LUCI
Zerg for Life
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