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[WCS EU] Finals Day 1 Premier Season 1 2013 - Page 5

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Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
May 25 2013 08:46 GMT
#81
Good luck Lucifron/Mvp!

It should be a great day of games, hopefully it get's big numbers watching.
ypslala
Profile Joined April 2011
Burma545 Posts
May 25 2013 09:02 GMT
#82
i hope TLO wins, but, a terran will win.
best SC2 game of aaaaaaall time: vibe vs avilo (don't miss the end!!): https://youtu.be/mygH92WzKV4
niekoz
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands350 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-25 09:42:12
May 25 2013 09:41 GMT
#83
On May 25 2013 10:46 SCST wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2013 10:43 Boucot wrote:
On May 25 2013 10:41 SCST wrote:
On May 25 2013 10:37 Boucot wrote:
On May 25 2013 09:05 katzenman wrote:
TLO to win it all ! :D


WCS Finals - Are you ready ?


DIMAGA - WCS Player Profile


Happy - WCS Player Profile

I hope ESL will prepare those clips for every player

Cant wait for tomorrow :D

edit: how can i embed youtube videos ? ^^ the codes youtube is providing dont work or i´m just too stupid oO

Just paste the URL, nothing more.

On May 25 2013 10:35 SCST wrote:
I really don't understand why the moved the time. They had a winning formula getting both European and American viewership with the previous time. Why the hell move the time and screw themselves over? WHY?


Because they have 4 BO5 the first day and 5 BO5 + 1 BO7 the second day. And people asked for an early hour for saturday because of the Champions League final between Bayern München and Borussia Dortmund.


You have to be f-ing joking with me. They are going to wipe out a significant portion of their viewership to compensate for a soccer/football match? What in the world is going on here?

I'm not.

Alexander H. Shedden
‏@carni
due ppl are asking: Saturday's #WCS will end before CL final begins



And this is not "a football match", this is the biggest match of the whole season.



Ridiculous decision in my opinion. I will force myself to get up at 5 am for this Tournament, but I doubt most casual viewers will. It's gonna bite them in the ass, mark my words. And I'm not happy about that. I want them to succeed.

P.S. It's not a football match? Sure as hell looks like a football match to me.


Well mayb it's hard to realize when you dont live in europe, but it makes a lot of sense to schedule the matches earlier because the champions league final is a pretty huge thing here. Especially with two german teams in the finals. Too bad this isnt in you favor but it makes a lot of sence from their point of view.
Draconicfire
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2562 Posts
May 25 2013 09:44 GMT
#84
TLO TLO TLO
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Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
May 25 2013 09:53 GMT
#85
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Azurues
Profile Joined March 2011
Malaysia5612 Posts
May 25 2013 09:55 GMT
#86
Forggedon fighting
habeck
Profile Joined February 2011
1120 Posts
May 25 2013 09:56 GMT
#87
So hard to wait ... ;(
Rabiator
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany3948 Posts
May 25 2013 09:57 GMT
#88
On May 25 2013 06:45 sitromit wrote:
That kinda sucks for Mvp I guess. GSL still the best and only tournament where people fully study and prepare for their opponent.

Studying your opponent and preparing precise strategies does NOT make you a good player, because you are unable to react to sudden and unexpected changes. Players who can adapt their strategies to the situation are always better - even if they dont win - because it is them alone in the booth who have accomplished it instead of a team of experts and analysts who have studied and planned and prepared you for a week.

Preparation and practice are good and important, but they should never be ranked higher than creativity.
If you cant say what you're meaning, you can never mean what you're saying.
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
May 25 2013 10:00 GMT
#89
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habeck
Profile Joined February 2011
1120 Posts
May 25 2013 10:02 GMT
#90
On May 25 2013 18:57 Rabiator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2013 06:45 sitromit wrote:
That kinda sucks for Mvp I guess. GSL still the best and only tournament where people fully study and prepare for their opponent.

Studying your opponent and preparing precise strategies does NOT make you a good player, because you are unable to react to sudden and unexpected changes. Players who can adapt their strategies to the situation are always better - even if they dont win - because it is them alone in the booth who have accomplished it instead of a team of experts and analysts who have studied and planned and prepared you for a week.

Preparation and practice are good and important, but they should never be ranked higher than creativity.


Clearly a TLO fan or Mvp hater
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
May 25 2013 10:04 GMT
#91
The only match that I think is pretty clear cut is Dimaga vs Happy, I see Happy winning easily here, he's way more proficient in the matchup than Dimaga, he uses all the new things HotS brought for Terrans and should be quite safe in any type of game as long as he builds a few tanks or a marauder or two once in a while when it matters.

TLO vs Mvp is awkward to predict, TLO has probably shown the best ZvT in Europe when he was at his best in the group stages, but as much as Mvp is the King of Wings, TLO is the King of Chokings. So with Mvp's wealth of experience in important playoff series against TLO's complete inexperience because he always falls out of them, it seems to me that coupled with Mvp's unmatched ability to prepare and dictate the flow of the game and even the whole series as a result, Mvp should be favoured by quite a bit no matter what the doubters say.

Even in his GSL winning runs he often barely sneaked out of the group stages and then went on to dominate and outplay anyone who was unlucky enough to face him in Bo5s and Bo7s. And as I said, TLO is the exact opposite of that.

ForGG vs LucifroN favours ForGG based on their own statements and ForGG's TvT record. LucifroN's strength in my opinion is that he has more variety in his gameplay whereas ForGG is more about perfecting one build and slight variations of it against everything, so he could use ForGG's potential predictability against him and exploit it with another specially designed build like the Thor rush against Happy. And ultimately he only needs to win three out of five maps here, so with players that close in skill, everything is possible. LucifroN needs to overcome a big obstacle as he once again faces the worst opponent he could have gotten in the playoffs, but I'm rooting for him, even if ForGG probably has a slightly bigger chance to win.

Stephano vs Babyknight is also quite hard to predict, so I'll spare myself the writeup. They both can do it, Stephano maybe slightly favoured by most people, but Babyknight has looked a bit better than Stephano in WCS so far. Maybe the closest matchup to 50:50 chances we have today. Not necessarily in the end result, as I think that unlike other matchups, this won't end in a 3:2 result for any of these players but will end relatively quickly once we know who's better today.
AzBozz
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany518 Posts
May 25 2013 10:04 GMT
#92
On May 25 2013 19:02 habeck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2013 18:57 Rabiator wrote:
On May 25 2013 06:45 sitromit wrote:
That kinda sucks for Mvp I guess. GSL still the best and only tournament where people fully study and prepare for their opponent.

Studying your opponent and preparing precise strategies does NOT make you a good player, because you are unable to react to sudden and unexpected changes. Players who can adapt their strategies to the situation are always better - even if they dont win - because it is them alone in the booth who have accomplished it instead of a team of experts and analysts who have studied and planned and prepared you for a week.

Preparation and practice are good and important, but they should never be ranked higher than creativity.


Clearly a TLO fan or Mvp hater

This .
MMA | MVP|Teaja|Polt|MKP|Byun|Maru|Thorzain|Creator|HasuObs|Socke|Lucifron|Vortix|Mana|Heromarine / PRIME and Mousesports fighting!!
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
May 25 2013 10:06 GMT
#93
On May 25 2013 18:57 Rabiator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2013 06:45 sitromit wrote:
That kinda sucks for Mvp I guess. GSL still the best and only tournament where people fully study and prepare for their opponent.

Studying your opponent and preparing precise strategies does NOT make you a good player, because you are unable to react to sudden and unexpected changes. Players who can adapt their strategies to the situation are always better - even if they dont win - because it is them alone in the booth who have accomplished it instead of a team of experts and analysts who have studied and planned and prepared you for a week.

Preparation and practice are good and important, but they should never be ranked higher than creativity.


Untrue. Preperation and practice is what makes a good player in a non-weekend tournament. If you study your opponent and read his builds with the scouting information you can get, because you did study him allows you to play your style beforehand, allows you to be as good without having to react.

A reactionary player will always be the one defending or not in control of the game, because reaction follows after action. I feel if you react to TLO's play, you are already behind, because he can freely dictate the game. Or as Flash put it in his interview, he thinks he's better than BoguS when he can prepare, but all around BoguS is better, becasue he can play every card at any t ime.

If you believe TLO does not study and work against MVP and his builds are "creative" and made up on the fly, I really don't believe you understand how the game works.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
May 25 2013 10:11 GMT
#94
Stephano is going to beat BabyKnight so bad that Danish Bacon gets a hole new meaning!
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arkedos
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1426 Posts
May 25 2013 10:21 GMT
#95
On May 25 2013 18:57 Rabiator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2013 06:45 sitromit wrote:
That kinda sucks for Mvp I guess. GSL still the best and only tournament where people fully study and prepare for their opponent.

Studying your opponent and preparing precise strategies does NOT make you a good player, because you are unable to react to sudden and unexpected changes. Players who can adapt their strategies to the situation are always better - even if they dont win - because it is them alone in the booth who have accomplished it instead of a team of experts and analysts who have studied and planned and prepared you for a week.

Preparation and practice are good and important, but they should never be ranked higher than creativity.



If you study your opponents and prepare for them, you will have a much more sophisticated knowledge about certain playstyles which you can put to use on a SUDDEN in a tourney like MLG if you know which playstyle you are facing.

I think we already can see that many of the EU players have improved BECAUSE of this league format BECAUSE they had the ability to study and prepare.
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Ethi
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany275 Posts
May 25 2013 10:22 GMT
#96
Happy - Dimaga 3:0
TLO - Mvp 3:1
Lucifron - Forgg 1:3
Stephano - Babykinght 2:3
slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
May 25 2013 10:22 GMT
#97
Great writeup Starve.

To Rabiator (though I'm sure you don't need even more people telling you about this stuff, just a quick note): The reason GSL has been seen since 2010 as THE premier tournament with the highest level of play is because of its emphasis on preparation and strategy. Starcraft is a game fans often like seeing played as well as is possible, and practiced strategies are ALWAYS going to be more advanced and more refined than something made on the fly.
jjakji fan
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
May 25 2013 10:25 GMT
#98
On May 25 2013 18:57 Rabiator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2013 06:45 sitromit wrote:
That kinda sucks for Mvp I guess. GSL still the best and only tournament where people fully study and prepare for their opponent.

Studying your opponent and preparing precise strategies does NOT make you a good player, because you are unable to react to sudden and unexpected changes. Players who can adapt their strategies to the situation are always better - even if they dont win - because it is them alone in the booth who have accomplished it instead of a team of experts and analysts who have studied and planned and prepared you for a week.

Preparation and practice are good and important, but they should never be ranked higher than creativity.


Every high level chess player is just terrible then because they spend a large amount of time and resources preparing openings.
Zerg for Life
Vansetsu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1454 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-25 10:30:32
May 25 2013 10:28 GMT
#99
On May 25 2013 19:04 AzBozz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2013 19:02 habeck wrote:
On May 25 2013 18:57 Rabiator wrote:
On May 25 2013 06:45 sitromit wrote:
That kinda sucks for Mvp I guess. GSL still the best and only tournament where people fully study and prepare for their opponent.

Studying your opponent and preparing precise strategies does NOT make you a good player, because you are unable to react to sudden and unexpected changes. Players who can adapt their strategies to the situation are always better - even if they dont win - because it is them alone in the booth who have accomplished it instead of a team of experts and analysts who have studied and planned and prepared you for a week.

Preparation and practice are good and important, but they should never be ranked higher than creativity.


Clearly a TLO fan or Mvp hater

This .


It's actually a shitty argument for and against MVP. In his good form, he destroyed everyone at tourneys like MLG Anaheim and IEM Cologne. If you want to argue further about "creativity" he literally changed the meta for tvt in WoL by crushing Ryung in GSTL by using BC's (which had never been in much use before) literally 1 day after a patch came out which gave them a slight speed boost. After that we start seeing sky Terran "Boxer vs Rain" endgames for quite awhile after that. MVP has done it all, in every format, better than everyone. The only thing that's "holding him back" is his condition, and all that means is he knows he can probably only play certain styles for his match ups.

And, to the first point, I feel like MvP has had at least some time to prepare for TLO, (if that's even possible :p). He also probably knows Luci and Forgg will give him the biggest problems if he advances, so I am sure he's accounted for that as well.

Only by overcoming many obstacles does a river become - デイヴィ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ド
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-25 10:33:21
May 25 2013 10:33 GMT
#100
On May 25 2013 15:08 Tppz! wrote:
http://starcraft2.ingame.de/kommentare.php?s=82&newsid=114694
German preview of the ro8. check it out :>

I just skimmed through it and that's very, very sloppy writing, really. Not very enjoyable, I'm sorry, if I find errors in just about every paragraph I can't focus much on the text itself. Maybe that's to your benefit because the sentence structure makes it feel like a "What I did during the summer holidays" essay I could have written in elementary school.
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