EPTIt should be a great day of games, hopefully it get's big numbers watching.
[WCS EU] Finals Day 1 Premier Season 1 2013 - Page 5
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Laryleprakon
New Zealand9496 Posts
It should be a great day of games, hopefully it get's big numbers watching. | ||
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ypslala
Burma545 Posts
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niekoz
Netherlands350 Posts
On May 25 2013 10:46 SCST wrote: Ridiculous decision in my opinion. I will force myself to get up at 5 am for this Tournament, but I doubt most casual viewers will. It's gonna bite them in the ass, mark my words. And I'm not happy about that. I want them to succeed. P.S. It's not a football match? Sure as hell looks like a football match to me. Well mayb it's hard to realize when you dont live in europe, but it makes a lot of sense to schedule the matches earlier because the champions league final is a pretty huge thing here. Especially with two german teams in the finals. Too bad this isnt in you favor but it makes a lot of sence from their point of view. | ||
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Draconicfire
Canada2562 Posts
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Account252508
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Azurues
Malaysia5612 Posts
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habeck
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
On May 25 2013 06:45 sitromit wrote: That kinda sucks for Mvp I guess. GSL still the best and only tournament where people fully study and prepare for their opponent. Studying your opponent and preparing precise strategies does NOT make you a good player, because you are unable to react to sudden and unexpected changes. Players who can adapt their strategies to the situation are always better - even if they dont win - because it is them alone in the booth who have accomplished it instead of a team of experts and analysts who have studied and planned and prepared you for a week. Preparation and practice are good and important, but they should never be ranked higher than creativity. | ||
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Account252508
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habeck
1120 Posts
On May 25 2013 18:57 Rabiator wrote: Studying your opponent and preparing precise strategies does NOT make you a good player, because you are unable to react to sudden and unexpected changes. Players who can adapt their strategies to the situation are always better - even if they dont win - because it is them alone in the booth who have accomplished it instead of a team of experts and analysts who have studied and planned and prepared you for a week. Preparation and practice are good and important, but they should never be ranked higher than creativity. Clearly a TLO fan or Mvp hater | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
TLO vs Mvp is awkward to predict, TLO has probably shown the best ZvT in Europe when he was at his best in the group stages, but as much as Mvp is the King of Wings, TLO is the King of Chokings. So with Mvp's wealth of experience in important playoff series against TLO's complete inexperience because he always falls out of them, it seems to me that coupled with Mvp's unmatched ability to prepare and dictate the flow of the game and even the whole series as a result, Mvp should be favoured by quite a bit no matter what the doubters say. Even in his GSL winning runs he often barely sneaked out of the group stages and then went on to dominate and outplay anyone who was unlucky enough to face him in Bo5s and Bo7s. And as I said, TLO is the exact opposite of that. ForGG vs LucifroN favours ForGG based on their own statements and ForGG's TvT record. LucifroN's strength in my opinion is that he has more variety in his gameplay whereas ForGG is more about perfecting one build and slight variations of it against everything, so he could use ForGG's potential predictability against him and exploit it with another specially designed build like the Thor rush against Happy. And ultimately he only needs to win three out of five maps here, so with players that close in skill, everything is possible. LucifroN needs to overcome a big obstacle as he once again faces the worst opponent he could have gotten in the playoffs, but I'm rooting for him, even if ForGG probably has a slightly bigger chance to win. Stephano vs Babyknight is also quite hard to predict, so I'll spare myself the writeup. They both can do it, Stephano maybe slightly favoured by most people, but Babyknight has looked a bit better than Stephano in WCS so far. Maybe the closest matchup to 50:50 chances we have today. Not necessarily in the end result, as I think that unlike other matchups, this won't end in a 3:2 result for any of these players but will end relatively quickly once we know who's better today. | ||
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AzBozz
Germany518 Posts
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On May 25 2013 18:57 Rabiator wrote: Studying your opponent and preparing precise strategies does NOT make you a good player, because you are unable to react to sudden and unexpected changes. Players who can adapt their strategies to the situation are always better - even if they dont win - because it is them alone in the booth who have accomplished it instead of a team of experts and analysts who have studied and planned and prepared you for a week. Preparation and practice are good and important, but they should never be ranked higher than creativity. Untrue. Preperation and practice is what makes a good player in a non-weekend tournament. If you study your opponent and read his builds with the scouting information you can get, because you did study him allows you to play your style beforehand, allows you to be as good without having to react. A reactionary player will always be the one defending or not in control of the game, because reaction follows after action. I feel if you react to TLO's play, you are already behind, because he can freely dictate the game. Or as Flash put it in his interview, he thinks he's better than BoguS when he can prepare, but all around BoguS is better, becasue he can play every card at any t ime. If you believe TLO does not study and work against MVP and his builds are "creative" and made up on the fly, I really don't believe you understand how the game works. | ||
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Benjamin99
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arkedos
Germany1426 Posts
On May 25 2013 18:57 Rabiator wrote: Studying your opponent and preparing precise strategies does NOT make you a good player, because you are unable to react to sudden and unexpected changes. Players who can adapt their strategies to the situation are always better - even if they dont win - because it is them alone in the booth who have accomplished it instead of a team of experts and analysts who have studied and planned and prepared you for a week. Preparation and practice are good and important, but they should never be ranked higher than creativity. If you study your opponents and prepare for them, you will have a much more sophisticated knowledge about certain playstyles which you can put to use on a SUDDEN in a tourney like MLG if you know which playstyle you are facing. I think we already can see that many of the EU players have improved BECAUSE of this league format BECAUSE they had the ability to study and prepare. | ||
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Ethi
Germany275 Posts
TLO - Mvp 3:1 Lucifron - Forgg 1:3 Stephano - Babykinght 2:3 | ||
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slowbacontron
United States7722 Posts
To Rabiator (though I'm sure you don't need even more people telling you about this stuff, just a quick note): The reason GSL has been seen since 2010 as THE premier tournament with the highest level of play is because of its emphasis on preparation and strategy. Starcraft is a game fans often like seeing played as well as is possible, and practiced strategies are ALWAYS going to be more advanced and more refined than something made on the fly. | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On May 25 2013 18:57 Rabiator wrote: Studying your opponent and preparing precise strategies does NOT make you a good player, because you are unable to react to sudden and unexpected changes. Players who can adapt their strategies to the situation are always better - even if they dont win - because it is them alone in the booth who have accomplished it instead of a team of experts and analysts who have studied and planned and prepared you for a week. Preparation and practice are good and important, but they should never be ranked higher than creativity. Every high level chess player is just terrible then because they spend a large amount of time and resources preparing openings. | ||
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Vansetsu
United States1454 Posts
It's actually a shitty argument for and against MVP. In his good form, he destroyed everyone at tourneys like MLG Anaheim and IEM Cologne. If you want to argue further about "creativity" he literally changed the meta for tvt in WoL by crushing Ryung in GSTL by using BC's (which had never been in much use before) literally 1 day after a patch came out which gave them a slight speed boost. After that we start seeing sky Terran "Boxer vs Rain" endgames for quite awhile after that. MVP has done it all, in every format, better than everyone. The only thing that's "holding him back" is his condition, and all that means is he knows he can probably only play certain styles for his match ups. And, to the first point, I feel like MvP has had at least some time to prepare for TLO, (if that's even possible :p). He also probably knows Luci and Forgg will give him the biggest problems if he advances, so I am sure he's accounted for that as well. | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On May 25 2013 15:08 Tppz! wrote: http://starcraft2.ingame.de/kommentare.php?s=82&newsid=114694 German preview of the ro8. check it out :> I just skimmed through it and that's very, very sloppy writing, really. Not very enjoyable, I'm sorry, if I find errors in just about every paragraph I can't focus much on the text itself. Maybe that's to your benefit because the sentence structure makes it feel like a "What I did during the summer holidays" essay I could have written in elementary school. | ||
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