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On May 16 2013 19:17 THM wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 19:09 CarlosOmse wrote:
omfg what sick bullshit, absolutly nothing roro could do against these hellbats drops -.- Of course there's nothing he can do. He has no tech, he did an ALLIN which failed partly due to his leaving part of his army go afk in the natural. If you allin and you fail you're way behind in tech and you're in deep shit. If those were Marine marauder drops or marine widow mine drops he'd still have a bad time and most likely lose. You don't just come back from having 0 tech vs a terran that has medivacs + hellbats or medivacs + stim or whatever.
43 WORKERS KILLED IS A FAILED ALL IN
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On May 16 2013 19:16 EpiK wrote:no, just no
Oh yes. Oh yes...
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what was the name of the song before this (the hardrock) ?
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On May 16 2013 19:17 ChoDing wrote:
pfft innovation is not bonjwa..
he is something greater...
he is a god, one true god
somewhere, Flash fans are grabbing their pitchforks.
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On May 16 2013 19:17 deus.machinarum wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 19:14 BakedButters wrote:
Hellbats need to cost gas or can't be healed by medivacs I would even go as far as to say that they need to cost gas AND not be able to be healed by medivacs dunno, still like blizzard's current slow approach to balancing the game
Yeah, it prevents dumb reaction to games like this one. And that's fucking good, we got too much of this.
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Maybe Soulkey is the key?
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ALLEYCAT BLUES49496 Posts
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I don't care if Terran is OP. It can be OP as long as it stops us from getting another ZvZ or PvP final.
Continue killing shit, Hellbats. I'll take a TvP/TvT/TvZ final any day of the weak due to your ferarri medivac healing Hellbats.
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On May 16 2013 19:18 Psychobabas wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 19:16 EpiK wrote:On May 16 2013 19:15 Psychobabas wrote:
Innovation = bonjwa no, just no Oh yes. Oh yes...
hasnt won a tournament ---> bonjwa
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As a terran I actually wouldn't mind having the biological tag removed from hellbats, it would be a nice buff against protoss since only colossi would be good at killing them.
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The funny thing is, almost everyone thought it was bogus (pun intended lol) that hellbats could be healed by medivacs when it was first implemented.. the few people who thought otherwise are the ones on the balance testing team unfortunately :p
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On May 16 2013 19:17 deus.machinarum wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 19:14 BakedButters wrote:
Hellbats need to cost gas or can't be healed by medivacs I would even go as far as to say that they need to cost gas AND not be able to be healed by medivacs dunno, still like blizzard's current slow approach to balancing the game
Hellbats need to be as strong as they are or mech just will not work against toss and zerg even. They could remove the healing from hellbats, I agree with that but a gas cost would make mech almost impossible to afford everything you need.
Infact, I'd rather them just make it so you can't build hellbats on their own and you need the upgrade to do it. That'd be fine and it'd remove early drops that are too strong against people playing greedy apparently. You could leave the healing too.
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On May 16 2013 19:11 DemigodcelpH wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 19:10 stuchiu wrote:
Hellbats with better splash than tanks, better durability than tanks and with medivacs better mobility than hellions. And they only cost minerals. Sick. This is false. Hellbats actually have significantly less HP than tanks, significantly less range, and significantly less damage.
It's true they have less HP, but 135 vs 160 isn't the biggest difference in the world. Hellbat DPS vs non-light = 9, vs light 15. Tank dps vs non-armoured = 11.7 (in siege mode), vs armoured = 16.7 (in siege mode). The hellbat cone does more consistent damage than siege. So yeah, tanks have much bigger range, but they can't be healed, and tanks cost 150/125 vs. 100/0 and the build time is 45 vs. 30, and hellbats can be reactored. So hellbats are nearly as good as tanks yet are a fraction of the cost and can be built 3 times as fast.
Comparing 2 different units like this is kind of silly, but there's no reasonable way a person of sound mind and body could possibly reach the conclusion that a hellbat should cost only 100 minerals.
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On May 16 2013 19:17 THM wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 19:09 CarlosOmse wrote:
omfg what sick bullshit, absolutly nothing roro could do against these hellbats drops -.- Of course there's nothing he can do. He has no tech, he did an ALLIN which failed partly due to his leaving part of his army go afk in the natural. If you allin and you fail you're way behind in tech and you're in deep shit. If those were Marine marauder drops or marine widow mine drops he'd still have a bad time and most likely lose. You don't just come back from having 0 tech vs a terran that has medivacs + hellbats or medivacs + stim or whatever.
To be equally fair, Innovation's defense was pretty horrid too.
It was like he got his army together and said "SCVs, please A-move into Banelings and kill yourselves as efficiently as possible so I can win this game with none of you".
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On May 16 2013 19:16 Vorenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 19:14 Fionn wrote:On May 16 2013 19:14 Fuell wrote:
Bogus pretty good, still think SoulKey beats him in finals. Soulkey ain't getting by my boy Shy. It's confirmed. SoulKey beats sOs. Heard it here first.
SoulKey should be able to take out sOs. If not, then I think sOs has a chance against Bogus.
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are y'all having any sound issues? Every time it comes back from commercial I have no sound :/
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feel a little sorry for RoRo, no one deserves to get tooled like that.
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On May 16 2013 19:17 ChoDing wrote:
pfft innovation is not bonjwa..
he is something greater...
he is a god, one true god
oh god I'm having a vietnam flashback right now.
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On May 16 2013 19:18 Fionn wrote:
I don't care if Terran is OP. It can be OP as long as it stops us from getting another ZvZ or PvP final.
Continue killing shit, Hellbats. I'll take a TvP/TvT/TvZ final any day of the weak due to your ferarri medivac healing Hellbats.
You need lessons from waxangel on snark.
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I love how people take a single part of the game to make it look imbalanced.
The problem was not that the medivac marauder hell bat killed a group of roaches, the problem was the tech / economic ratio. Roro got greedy and had no tech, while innovation went for hellbat drops, being smart enough to kill the queens.
After this, who cares about losing 40 scvs ? He has mules to get back in the game, and can harass the zerg economy as long as he wants without losing anything. Roro was like either losing drone or pulling drones away and not mining.
Thus, of course INnoVation will have way more than Roro when the push comes. INnoVation didn't lose any of his units, and accumulated a lot of energy on his medivacs.
Don't get me wrong i'm terran yeah but I wan't a change or a nerf of the hellbat, this unit is slightly broken. My point is that it was not why INnoVation won the game here.
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