On April 23 2013 01:36 suicideyear wrote: 4-2 and i'm going to say hitman + flash take their maps though
I doubt hitmaN can take Light in a TvZ especially since HotS.
This is going to end fairly quickly if Zest and/or Zest don't win their mirrors. So in other news, WJS is one step closer to be at the finals for this PL.
On April 23 2013 13:33 opterown wrote: announcing the 4th Asian Indoor & Martial Arts Games. wtf, i have no idea what this tournament is, but it looks freaking sick. fanta/flash and mvp/mkp
On April 23 2013 13:33 opterown wrote: announcing the 4th Asian Indoor & Martial Arts Games. wtf, i have no idea what this tournament is, but it looks freaking sick. fanta/flash and mvp/mkp
On April 23 2013 13:33 opterown wrote: announcing the 4th Asian Indoor & Martial Arts Games. wtf, i have no idea what this tournament is, but it looks freaking sick. fanta/flash and mvp/mkp
imagine if all the pro-gamers present had to off-game i.e. play not-sc2. i'd love to see flash vs. fanta in special force or something. maybe mkp can finally beat mvp at tekken
On April 23 2013 14:52 Hall0wed wrote: That was stupid.
You mean awesome?
Stats went pretty nuts with that mind-game... Making Robo-bay, twilight.
I'd call it 'stupidly entertaining'
I'm getting a German commercial for a health insurance company and this damn thing has people singing about three times as loud as the actual stream. It's so damn annoying.
On April 23 2013 14:52 Hall0wed wrote: That was stupid.
You mean awesome?
Stats went pretty nuts with that mind-game... Making Robo-bay, twilight.
I'd call it 'stupidly entertaining'
I'm getting a German commercial for a health insurance company and this damn add has people singing about three times as loud as the actual stream. It's so damn annoying.
Get a membership its only 5 bucks for the season lol. No adds and you can watch replays and get 720+.
Not so much this game, but I've seen so many other game where one player is scouting for proxies but he doesn't go far enough out to the perimeter of the map, often missing the proxy buildings in the furthest corners. Players should keep in mind that if someone is proxying, and you suspect it, you have to go ALL THE WAY to the edge of the map not half-ass that scouting pattern. Your opponent is not going to put it ROUGHLY at the edge of the map, they will put it at the furthest possible edge of the map.
On April 23 2013 14:52 Hall0wed wrote: That was stupid.
You mean awesome?
Stats went pretty nuts with that mind-game... Making Robo-bay, twilight.
I'd call it 'stupidly entertaining'
I'm getting a German commercial for a health insurance company and this damn add has people singing about three times as loud as the actual stream. It's so damn annoying.
Get a membership its only 5 bucks for the season lol. No adds and you can watch replays and get 720+.
a whole season??? wutt i thought it was every round or every week lol
On April 23 2013 14:52 Hall0wed wrote: That was stupid.
You mean awesome?
Stats went pretty nuts with that mind-game... Making Robo-bay, twilight.
I'd call it 'stupidly entertaining'
I'm getting a German commercial for a health insurance company and this damn thing has people singing about three times as loud as the actual stream. It's so damn annoying.
The ancient art of volume normalization isn't yet popular in the land of Twitch.tv. T_T
On April 23 2013 14:57 pylonsalad wrote: Not so much this game, but I've seen so many other game where one player is scouting for proxies but he doesn't go far enough out to the perimeter of the map, often missing the proxy buildings in the furthest corners. Players should keep in mind that if someone is proxying, and you suspect it, you have to go ALL THE WAY to the edge of the map not half-ass that scouting pattern. Your opponent is not going to put it ROUGHLY at the edge of the map, they will put it at the furthest possible edge of the map.
On April 23 2013 14:52 Hall0wed wrote: That was stupid.
You mean awesome?
Stats went pretty nuts with that mind-game... Making Robo-bay, twilight.
I'd call it 'stupidly entertaining'
I'm getting a German commercial for a health insurance company and this damn add has people singing about three times as loud as the actual stream. It's so damn annoying.
Get a membership its only 5 bucks for the season lol. No adds and you can watch replays and get 720+.
a whole season??? wutt i thought it was every round or every week lol
On April 23 2013 14:52 Hall0wed wrote: That was stupid.
You mean awesome?
Stats went pretty nuts with that mind-game... Making Robo-bay, twilight.
I'd call it 'stupidly entertaining'
I'm getting a German commercial for a health insurance company and this damn add has people singing about three times as loud as the actual stream. It's so damn annoying.
Get a membership its only 5 bucks for the season lol. No adds and you can watch replays and get 720+.
a whole season??? wutt i thought it was every round or every week lol
This is not the position to use Swarm Hosts :/ Swarm Hosts have to be used aggressively, they are really good at forcing your opponent into bad positions. But that only works if you are ahead or at least even. Not if you are behind like ZerO
On April 23 2013 15:19 Yello wrote: This is not the position to use Swarm Hosts :/ Swarm Hosts have to be used aggressively, they are really good at forcing your opponent into bad positions. But that only works if you are ahead or at least even. Not if you are behind like ZerO
wow did not expect KT to jump out to a 2-0 lead but i'll take it cause Crazy is on my main team. Hope KT doesn't 4-0 though cause I have WJS as my team and don't want to get negative points D:
On April 23 2013 15:21 jekku wrote: KT up 2-0 with flash still to play(twice if you count ace). If this was bw i'd say this is geeg but this is SC2. No pressure light .
In Brood War if it was winner's league and KT was down 1-3 with Flash about to come out, I'd just assume that they were going to win.
I do not know why, but whenever I see hitmaN I expect him to do a ggaemo impression out of the blue. I have so far been disappointed every single time :/
On April 23 2013 15:38 Clefairy wrote: Korean casting is so much better now with Canata joining them. Kim Chul Min and Han Seung Yeop as a pair was absolutely terrible.
cmon, SNM and whiplash aren't that bad in game. Outside though, some jokes are hit and miss imo
Honestly I dunno why SNM and Whiplash get so much critism. Considering its only their 3rd or 4th month working together I think their very good. Keep things interesting and pay attention to the game. Thats my biggest problem with tasteosis they go on way too many time filler tangents instead of talking about the players or strat.
On April 23 2013 15:38 Clefairy wrote: Korean casting is so much better now with Canata joining them. Kim Chul Min and Han Seung Yeop as a pair was absolutely terrible.
cmon, SNM and whiplash aren't that bad in game. Outside though, some jokes are hit and miss imo
They are getting better, developing some kind of synergy. Before they would never respond to what the other guy said and just talk past each other but now they are working together. They are still not that good but you can listen to them now without getting really angry. As long as they keep improving I'm fine with them casting Proleague
On April 23 2013 15:38 Clefairy wrote: Korean casting is so much better now with Canata joining them. Kim Chul Min and Han Seung Yeop as a pair was absolutely terrible.
cmon, SNM and whiplash aren't that bad in game. Outside though, some jokes are hit and miss imo
I was just talking about the quality of Korean casting. It was pretty crap before Canata joined them this week. A huge downgrade from OGN casters.
My main was soooo good but then my anti wrecked me and my main is doing not that well anymore. Should really just refrain from doing it so I can cheer properly instead of for the points @_@
On April 23 2013 15:38 Clefairy wrote: Korean casting is so much better now with Canata joining them. Kim Chul Min and Han Seung Yeop as a pair was absolutely terrible.
cmon, SNM and whiplash aren't that bad in game. Outside though, some jokes are hit and miss imo
I was just talking about the quality of Korean casting. It was pretty crap before Canata joined them this week. A huge downgrade from OGN casters.
was it really that bad? :O It seemed ok when I checked the Korean stream several days ago but I dunno lol. Glad to know their quality is improving then
On April 23 2013 15:47 Yello wrote: Does KT just win 4-0 now? Could be possible with hitmaN winning and then Flash vs Soulkey
I wouldnt pencil in flash for the auto win. Soulkey is an EXCELLENT sc2 zerg.
Yeah but Flash won against him in the GSL. And from that games I think Soulkey won't be able to take on Flash in a longer game. I think he has to throw in some cheese but even then, Flash got a lot better at defending those.
Of course it's not an auto-win but it seems to be pretty likely. And even the possibility of KT winning 4-0 seems kinda crazy. Just look at the pre-game polls, not a lot of people expected KT to even be able to get into this position
Well, Soulkey did put a good fight against Flash last week. The games were pretty good. I wouldn't count him out, but I am still betting on Flash though
If I was Soulkey I would just ling baneling bust Flash. Worked for Jaedong. :p besides the only Zerg who can go toe to toe with Flash in lategame is Life IMO.
Love the analysis. He's burrowing a tonne of banelings to spot a medivac -> oh no it's to get a surround -> oh it's a backstab -.- It was so freaking obvious.
man i know i say it a lot and everyone says it but jesus...why do i have to lower my volume to 10% when SNM is talking? It's a microphone, dude, you don't have to yell. Excitement comes from inflection, not vocal volume.
I understand it's Flash but even as he is losing and clearly getting destroyed they are still talking about how good everything he is doing is. Not a single word about soulkey
On April 23 2013 16:07 Kommander wrote: If I was Soulkey I would just ling baneling bust Flash. Worked for Jaedong. :p besides the only Zerg who can go toe to toe with Flash in lategame is Life IMO.
On April 23 2013 16:10 Shellshock1122 wrote: Flash forget his armory for a little bit? pretty late - still building with 1-1 already done
Yeah, seems uncharacteristic. In GSL he got it down to the second each time
yeah he did. He also got supply blocked a few times today particularly at 89. Not the best play from him today :/ still played well and Soulkey is a very good player, but he definitely didn't play as well today as he did in the GSL last week.
On April 23 2013 16:07 Kommander wrote: If I was Soulkey I would just ling baneling bust Flash. Worked for Jaedong. :p besides the only Zerg who can go toe to toe with Flash in lategame is Life IMO.
On April 23 2013 16:13 Scrandom wrote: I understand it's Flash but even as he is losing and clearly getting destroyed they are still talking about how good everything he is doing is. Not a single word about soulkey
hm SK didn't really do anything special to destroy the dreaded bio mine play, in fact I think one of flash's mines took out 10+ marines when he really needed them.
i'm happy this keeps happening in PL, but unhappy both Soulkey and B4 failed to do anything of the sort in GSL. Flash needs to learn he can't just go full greed every game.
Nice work by Soulkey taking down Flash. Regarding the caster hype, Tastosis does the same thing, perhaps even more so. Whenever there is a fan favorite or big star casters tend to over-emphasize that player.
On April 23 2013 16:15 Schelim wrote: i'm happy this keeps happening in PL, but unhappy both Soulkey and B4 failed to do anything of the sort in GSL. Flash needs to learn he can't just go full greed every game.
ya. I mean I can understand why he would go full greed but at least scout a lot more, scan every once in a while, play a little cautiously instead of just being in the dark. In a way, reminds me of MKP when he'll go 3 cc, never scout then die to the same thing again ><
On April 23 2013 16:17 hasuterrans wrote: Nice work by Soulkey taking down Flash. Regarding the caster hype, Tastosis does the same thing, perhaps even more so. Whenever there is a fan favorite or big star casters tend to over-emphasize that player.
And I don't blame them seeing as how Flash dominated Soulkey in GSL. But yeah, Soulkey is a good player nonetheless.
On April 23 2013 16:14 BlackCompany wrote: Cant watch, i am at university? How did the flash vs sk game go so far? Aparently flash is about to die?
Both players went up to 3 bases, Soulkey hid a bunch of Lings and Banelings at the right side of the map. As soon as Flash went for the attack, Soulkey counter-attacked and forced the the third to lift while also defending Flash's attack with his reinforcements.
I think Soulkey mostly won because he did delay his Mutas by quite a bit and instead went for more Lings and Banelings. Flash goes for straight-up attacks and doesn't use multi-pronged drop harass so Soulkey did the perfect counter with building a bigger army. I guess he did analyze Flash games after they played in GSL and he found the perfect response
If this comes to an ace match I wonder if KT will send out Flash or anticipate that WJS will send out a Flash sniper and then send out someone else. Stats is the next best choice but he's not doing really well as of the moment.
On April 23 2013 16:14 BlackCompany wrote: Cant watch, i am at university? How did the flash vs sk game go so far? Aparently flash is about to die?
Both players went up to 3 bases, Soulkey hid a bunch of Lings and Banelings at the right side of the map. As soon as Flash went for the attack, Soulkey counter-attacked and forced the the third to lift while also defending Flash's attack with his reinforcements.
I think Soulkey mostly won because he did delay his Mutas by quite a bit and instead went for more Lings and Banelings. Flash goes for straight-up attacks and doesn't use multi-pronged drop harass so Soulkey did the perfect counter with building a bigger army. I guess he did analyze Flash games after they played in GSL and he found the perfect response
Thanks for the recap. It feels like flash is often giving away free wins :/ he is just to predictable...
On April 23 2013 16:25 Shellshock1122 wrote: Zest is really one of the worst name changes I've seen. almost as bad as P7GAB
Why so? It seems a pretty good name to me.
By the why, is anybody else having weird issues with the quote blocks' CSS? Opening or closing "quote rulers" are randomly wider in a few instances.
Because I thought Wooki was an awesome name and his play reminds me nothing of oranges. I know it can mean other things but that's my default thought for zest.
On April 23 2013 16:25 Shellshock1122 wrote: Zest is really one of the worst name changes I've seen. almost as bad as P7GAB
Why so? It seems a pretty good name to me.
By the why, is anybody else having weird issues with the quote blocks' CSS? Opening or closing "quote rulers" are randomly wider in a few instances.
Because I thought Wooki was an awesome name and his play reminds me nothing of oranges. I know it can mean other things but that's my default thought for zest.
If you're associating Zest with citrus you're doing it wrong! Zest is a fundamental force of the universe that cannot be fully comprehended.
On April 23 2013 16:25 Shellshock1122 wrote: Zest is really one of the worst name changes I've seen. almost as bad as P7GAB
Why so? It seems a pretty good name to me.
By the why, is anybody else having weird issues with the quote blocks' CSS? Opening or closing "quote rulers" are randomly wider in a few instances.
Because I thought Wooki was an awesome name and his play reminds me nothing of oranges. I know it can mean other things but that's my default thought for zest.
If you're associating Zest with citrus you're doing it wrong! Zest is a fundamental force of the universe that cannot be fully comprehended.
really? I've never heard that before. That's at least better.
On April 23 2013 16:25 Shellshock1122 wrote: Zest is really one of the worst name changes I've seen. almost as bad as P7GAB
Why so? It seems a pretty good name to me.
By the why, is anybody else having weird issues with the quote blocks' CSS? Opening or closing "quote rulers" are randomly wider in a few instances.
Because I thought Wooki was an awesome name and his play reminds me nothing of oranges. I know it can mean other things but that's my default thought for zest.
If you're associating Zest with citrus you're doing it wrong! Zest is a fundamental force of the universe that cannot be fully comprehended.
really? I've never heard that before. That's at least better.
Eh, it's just a joke within my friends at school. They make up our school's Film Club and made a mockumentary about Zest, so it doesn't really have relevance to anyone else. It's so hard for me to contain my excitement about it, though!
On April 23 2013 16:14 BlackCompany wrote: Cant watch, i am at university? How did the flash vs sk game go so far? Aparently flash is about to die?
Both players went up to 3 bases, Soulkey hid a bunch of Lings and Banelings at the right side of the map. As soon as Flash went for the attack, Soulkey counter-attacked and forced the the third to lift while also defending Flash's attack with his reinforcements.
I think Soulkey mostly won because he did delay his Mutas by quite a bit and instead went for more Lings and Banelings. Flash goes for straight-up attacks and doesn't use multi-pronged drop harass so Soulkey did the perfect counter with building a bigger army. I guess he did analyze Flash games after they played in GSL and he found the perfect response
Thanks for the recap. It feels like flash is often giving away free wins :/ he is just to predictable...
He is way too greedy. It's the reason why he wins so much in against defensive opponents. He is just ahead by default if you dont blindly attack him.
I am not afraid to say it : I have no idea why the fight turned in such a one sided slaughter.
I understand the warp prism thing that was very nice, but the fight was already leaning on one side at that time. I also agree about the "layer" thing (the layers being : zealot -> archon -> immortal -> colossus). But army compositions were very similar (identical layers) and red had a much better concave
On April 23 2013 16:49 pylonsalad wrote: Welp, my FPL is over. I have sOs, Light, Aria, and Woonjin as my team. This was not supposed to happen.
I have Byun and sC on anti in FGSTL. You know nothing of fantasy leagues being over!
did sC all kill Axiom-Acer? :O
yes he did. ByuN killed AZUBU and he'll probably all kill New Star HoSeo this week, so that's like a -30 anti team haha
wow I mean, I saw him kill MMA and Miya but ouch lol. Guessing Scarlet went down as well? LOL at Byun also all killing XD Good thing I forgot to do FGSTL this time lol
On April 23 2013 16:48 fezvez wrote: I am not afraid to say it : I have no idea why the fight turned in such a one sided slaughter.
I understand the warp prism thing that was very nice, but the fight was already leaning on one side at that time. I also agree about the "layer" thing (the layers being : zealot -> archon -> immortal -> colossus). But army compositions were very similar (identical layers) and red had a much better concave
Wooki just had more of everything, and it started to become very onesided when Wooki started warping in units and Flying's units came back to attack them. It did not just reinforce Wooki's army while Flying isn't even reinforcing his, but it also ruined Flying's concave/position.
On April 23 2013 16:49 pylonsalad wrote: Welp, my FPL is over. I have sOs, Light, Aria, and Woonjin as my team. This was not supposed to happen.
I have Byun and sC on anti in FGSTL. You know nothing of fantasy leagues being over!
did sC all kill Axiom-Acer? :O
yes he did. ByuN killed AZUBU and he'll probably all kill New Star HoSeo this week, so that's like a -30 anti team haha
wow I mean, I saw him kill MMA and Miya but ouch lol. Guessing Scarlet went down as well? LOL at Byun also all killing XD Good thing I forgot to do FGSTL this time lol
I think it was MMA, Miya, Heart, and Ryung that played for AxiomAcer but I forget exactly.
On April 23 2013 16:49 pylonsalad wrote: Welp, my FPL is over. I have sOs, Light, Aria, and Woonjin as my team. This was not supposed to happen.
I have Byun and sC on anti in FGSTL. You know nothing of fantasy leagues being over!
did sC all kill Axiom-Acer? :O
yes he did. ByuN killed AZUBU and he'll probably all kill New Star HoSeo this week, so that's like a -30 anti team haha
wow I mean, I saw him kill MMA and Miya but ouch lol. Guessing Scarlet went down as well? LOL at Byun also all killing XD Good thing I forgot to do FGSTL this time lol
I think it was MMA, Miya, Heart, and Ryung that played for AxiomAcer but I forget exactly.
On April 23 2013 14:42 jekku wrote: Here's what i'm thinking.
sOs > Stats (this one can go either way) Zero > Crazy Light > Hitman Soulkey < Flash Flying > Zest
Woongjin lineup so strong.
Nice predictions man...
haha this seems to be happening so often in liquibet etc.
I would love to see a histogram of the average correct guesses for each liquibetter. I wouldn't be surprised if it would just be the same of that for totally random votes filled in, ie prediction in sc2 teamleague formats is practically impossible.
I'm curious as to what you guys think about the Flash vs Soulkey game. Soulkey played really well, it looked like one of the Flash vs. Life games where the bane bust was so strong.
Unlike the Flash vs. Jaedong game, Soulkey wasn't allin, he had 57 drones and 4-bases. How do you stop that kinda attack? The only thing I can think of is earlier reaper+hellion pressure to stop zerg from playing too greedy.
The main problem is its so hard to scout. He even had burrow to hide it.
On April 24 2013 02:02 tozi wrote: Nice, KTRolster, stepping it up.
I'm curious as to what you guys think about the Flash vs Soulkey game. Soulkey played really well, it looked like one of the Flash vs. Life games where the bane bust was so strong.
Unlike the Flash vs. Jaedong game, Soulkey wasn't allin, he had 57 drones and 4-bases. How do you stop that kinda attack? The only thing I can think of is earlier reaper+hellion pressure to stop zerg from playing too greedy.
The main problem is its so hard to scout. He even had burrow to hide it.
Flash did his favorite double CC stuff and lost the initial hellions without doing damage, then his next push is always at 140 supply, which soulkey obviously knew so he chilled until then and then just crushed him. Flash builds are sometimes way too predictable and passive. Innovation looks WAY harder to beat in tvz imo.
On April 24 2013 02:02 tozi wrote: Nice, KTRolster, stepping it up.
I'm curious as to what you guys think about the Flash vs Soulkey game. Soulkey played really well, it looked like one of the Flash vs. Life games where the bane bust was so strong.
Unlike the Flash vs. Jaedong game, Soulkey wasn't allin, he had 57 drones and 4-bases. How do you stop that kinda attack? The only thing I can think of is earlier reaper+hellion pressure to stop zerg from playing too greedy.
The main problem is its so hard to scout. He even had burrow to hide it.
Flash did his favorite double CC stuff and lost the initial hellions without doing damage, then his next push is always at 140 supply, which soulkey obviously knew so he chilled until then and then just crushed him. Flash builds are sometimes way too predictable and passive. Innovation looks WAY harder to beat in tvz imo.
Hmm, true but 3CC is pretty much every Terran's standard build nowadays so thats kinda predictable for all terrans. As for the 140 push, its a strong timing because thats usually when the fourth is going up and terran's upgrades are around done.
Flash played standard, I would say, it was just the lack of information that killed him. It's just so hard to scout that kind of attack.
And yes, you could say its predictable and Flash should probably change his build order more (maybe go for a fourth, drop, and wait until 3-3) but all terrans should be able to have a build that is solid and standard. For Flash, this 3CC into 140 push is solid and standard, its just a matter of how to stop the bane bust
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