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MOD NOTE: The bracket on Liquipedia is not final and should be assumed to be speculative. If you are a competitor, trust what MLG Admins tell you over the bracket.
Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
April 21 2013 22:58 GMT
#4261
On April 22 2013 07:56 Diavlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2013 07:53 Zarahtra wrote:
On April 22 2013 07:51 Diavlo wrote:
On April 22 2013 07:47 Zarahtra wrote:
On April 22 2013 07:44 Albinoswordfish wrote:
Hellbat drops are starting remind me of blue flame hellions. I think Hellbats need a nerf...

The problem is, if they nerf hellbats they become useless combat units. I personally think they just need to nerf the initial dmg of hellbats, reduce cost of blue flame and make blue flame effect hellbats. They don't need to straight up nerf the hellbat, but rather delay these drops a bit until people can actually deal with them if they spot them.

Just make them more expensive and not healable by medivacs.

Demuslim was saying at least 150 minerals.


I really disagree with that, they aren't *that* good of a unit, they are just good at killing workers, and that is just really in the early game, or midgame if you have successfully dropped in early game. Nerfing a unit like that would basically make mech not possible in TvZ and TvP.


That's not a massive nerf, It makes them slightly worse in the early game without hurting them too much in the mid-late game.

50% cost increase isn't a lot, what is? Minerals might not be the most important part of mech, but it is not something to scoff at like that.
Yorke
Profile Joined November 2010
England881 Posts
April 21 2013 22:58 GMT
#4262
Always had faith Jaedong, GoGo!
@YorkeSC - RIP MIT Police Officer Sean Collier, BW fan
Tosstriss
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada334 Posts
April 21 2013 22:58 GMT
#4263
On April 22 2013 07:56 Godwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2013 07:55 HereBeDragons wrote:
Oh so we have to censor liquipedia now too? How many more surprises are we going to get in 1 weekend?


They are preparing the brackets to get HyuN in.
They are cleaning house of any chinese player that could have got through.
Calling Neebs mother about him playing sc2 and not doing homework.
And so on...

Wait what they called someones mother about playing a tournament
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
April 21 2013 22:58 GMT
#4264
This entire qualifier is a farce, they should just push back the start date for WCS and run it all over again. Maybe let Oz, Crank, STC and Alicia keep their seeds.
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
April 21 2013 22:58 GMT
#4265
On April 22 2013 07:55 butchji wrote:
JD must think he can't win a macro game vs T atm. Always going for the busts (which work).


Busts are super effective if the Terran only relies on mines for defense. In the Midgame you usually have to trade inefficient to hold until t3, where you can trade more cost efficient again.
Goolpsy
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark301 Posts
April 21 2013 22:59 GMT
#4266
I feel so outraged..

1. They forget the chinese players
2. They misinform them afterwards
2. Comm manages to get a spot, plays fairly, is completely honest about him playing, AND only playing on one account. And now he's getting DQ'd because of enforcement of a rule to secure more spaces for 'F5-Spamming -checkin- diamond players'..

Yea..

And whats this **** about ruining the viewer experience by removing the bracket.. wtf?!
SeR3NiTy
Profile Joined March 2009
France206 Posts
April 21 2013 22:59 GMT
#4267
Gogo JD you can do this plz plz qualify!
Liman
Profile Joined July 2012
Serbia681 Posts
April 21 2013 23:00 GMT
#4268
I just realized that all these screw ups actually make WCS AM more interesting lmao
Freelancer veteran
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
April 21 2013 23:00 GMT
#4269
On April 22 2013 07:58 Dodgin wrote:
This entire qualifier is a farce, they should just push back the start date for WCS and run it all over again. Maybe let Oz, Crank, STC and Alicia keep their seeds.

won't happen.
Moderatorlickypiddy
UberNuB
Profile Joined December 2010
United States365 Posts
April 21 2013 23:00 GMT
#4270
On April 22 2013 07:55 butchji wrote:
JD must think he can't win a macro game vs T atm. Always going for the busts (which work).


Seemingly for good reason with the way Hellbat drops dismantle Zerg players, and the current meta is Terran being RIDICULOUSLY greedy. As a Zerg you can't out greedy the Terran player since it takes far too much to defend the drop, and you will just never catch back up to a quick three CC Terran player.
the absence of evidence, is not the evidence of absence.
shabby
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway6402 Posts
April 21 2013 23:00 GMT
#4271
On April 22 2013 07:58 FeyFey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2013 07:55 butchji wrote:
JD must think he can't win a macro game vs T atm. Always going for the busts (which work).


Busts are super effective if the Terran only relies on mines for defense. In the Midgame you usually have to trade inefficient to hold until t3, where you can trade more cost efficient again.


Yeah why play a macro game when all the terrans make a few widow mines and go 3CC. Just bust em WoL beta style, tbh.
Jaedong, Gumibear, Leenock, Byun
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
April 21 2013 23:00 GMT
#4272
On April 22 2013 07:58 Zarahtra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2013 07:56 Diavlo wrote:
On April 22 2013 07:53 Zarahtra wrote:
On April 22 2013 07:51 Diavlo wrote:
On April 22 2013 07:47 Zarahtra wrote:
On April 22 2013 07:44 Albinoswordfish wrote:
Hellbat drops are starting remind me of blue flame hellions. I think Hellbats need a nerf...

The problem is, if they nerf hellbats they become useless combat units. I personally think they just need to nerf the initial dmg of hellbats, reduce cost of blue flame and make blue flame effect hellbats. They don't need to straight up nerf the hellbat, but rather delay these drops a bit until people can actually deal with them if they spot them.

Just make them more expensive and not healable by medivacs.

Demuslim was saying at least 150 minerals.


I really disagree with that, they aren't *that* good of a unit, they are just good at killing workers, and that is just really in the early game, or midgame if you have successfully dropped in early game. Nerfing a unit like that would basically make mech not possible in TvZ and TvP.


That's not a massive nerf, It makes them slightly worse in the early game without hurting them too much in the mid-late game.

50% cost increase isn't a lot, what is? Minerals might not be the most important part of mech, but it is not something to scoff at like that.

So it costs 100 minerals to make hellions and 150 to make hellbats, but in the mid and late game you can just make hellions and then convert them, seems reasonable.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
April 21 2013 23:01 GMT
#4273
Sorry Cats, but I got to root for the chinese here... >.<
Jeremy Reimer
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada1196 Posts
April 21 2013 23:02 GMT
#4274
Happy to see Jaedong advance. Would be exciting to see him vs Demuslim!
"Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere." -- Carl Sagan
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-21 23:02:23
April 21 2013 23:02 GMT
#4275
Kaelaris & Co must be feeling proud right now. ESL had their own issues, but compared to MLG they really handled it nicely haha.
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
April 21 2013 23:02 GMT
#4276
Could tilea have defeated demu? her name is black.
The two NBA teams in states with legal weed are called the Nuggets and the Blazers...
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12486 Posts
April 21 2013 23:02 GMT
#4277
On April 22 2013 07:53 Zarahtra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2013 07:51 Diavlo wrote:
On April 22 2013 07:47 Zarahtra wrote:
On April 22 2013 07:44 Albinoswordfish wrote:
Hellbat drops are starting remind me of blue flame hellions. I think Hellbats need a nerf...

The problem is, if they nerf hellbats they become useless combat units. I personally think they just need to nerf the initial dmg of hellbats, reduce cost of blue flame and make blue flame effect hellbats. They don't need to straight up nerf the hellbat, but rather delay these drops a bit until people can actually deal with them if they spot them.

Just make them more expensive and not healable by medivacs.

Demuslim was saying at least 150 minerals.


I really disagree with that, they aren't *that* good of a unit, they are just good at killing workers


Play protoss more.
No will to live, no wish to die
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
April 21 2013 23:02 GMT
#4278
wooo Macsed. Haven't seen him in a while. But why Sage. Rooting for the endless draw once again.
pssuperZoro
Profile Joined April 2013
United States4 Posts
April 21 2013 23:02 GMT
#4279
On April 22 2013 07:49 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2013 07:43 jmbthirteen wrote:
On April 22 2013 07:41 Elite_ wrote:
On April 22 2013 07:40 jmbthirteen wrote:
wait, what does Comm mean by "yes because i did not get places"

He didn't get a spot in the tournament. 512+ people were ahead of him on the list of participants.

then MLG made the right call. i mean it sucks he didn't get into the 512 bracket, but that doesnt mean its ok to take someone elses account.


But does it really matter if he plays all the games and didn't register on two accounts (edit: as in having two spots)? It's basically just an id to keep the bracket progress, like the Axiom players have for example.



Just one question, does anonymity mean cheating?

How MLG makes sure no player plays "pinch hitter"???? If MLG can not prove, does it make sense to just ban COMM???? Becauz he is Chinese?? Or Becauz he is using another account????

Let's say, if you register an account, then it should be you to play, not someone else. So, do all programmers register by themselves???? Or, they asked someone else help them to register. Could we say these programmers are cheating???
Elite_
Profile Joined June 2012
United States4259 Posts
April 21 2013 23:03 GMT
#4280
Did Tilea beat DeMusliM, HwangSin beat BadCop, Heart beat Hendralisk, and Neeb beat JYP or did someone fuck up on liquipedia by bolding the name of the player at the bottom of every round 10 of the loser bracket?
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