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Killmouse
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria5700 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-18 11:55:09
April 18 2013 11:53 GMT
#1701
On April 18 2013 20:53 Penev wrote:
Flash is really good but I have one issue with the game: Terran almost never needs to transition out of MMMM..

terran isnt zerg

ever saw terran transition out of Mech in tvp BW ?? lol

zerg is the transition race, that a +
yo
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
April 18 2013 11:53 GMT
#1702
Only zoozoo bubble can dampen the pain of Soulkey's loss
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snotboogie
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Australia3550 Posts
April 18 2013 11:54 GMT
#1703
I can't. I just can't understand Flash's macro. His supply is just consistently higher than it's supposed to be.
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
April 18 2013 11:54 GMT
#1704
On April 18 2013 20:53 Prog455 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 20:52 hasuterrans wrote:
Flash roflstomping through his group with basically the same build 4 games in a row.


If it ain't broken don't fix it


Zerg players would argue: If its broken, fix it
:D hehe
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
gingerfluffmuff
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria4570 Posts
April 18 2013 11:54 GMT
#1705
On April 18 2013 20:51 movac wrote:
I'm always surprised by the how people often don't repair their medivacs, there was so many times that flash that can set idle SCV on auto repair around the damaged medivacs, but doesn't

They wont keep pace with the constant dropping and boosting. Its also harder to load the right units from the clump when there are also scvs.
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massivez
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium653 Posts
April 18 2013 11:54 GMT
#1706
Thing is, zerg has to play Wol Style against a Hots Terran. The new units do jackshit against bio. Buffing zerg isn't the option either i think. Is there any unit that should get a buff to cope with this?
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
April 18 2013 11:54 GMT
#1707
some good games, flash might make the 1/4s
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
Chad3132 Posts
April 18 2013 11:54 GMT
#1708
the problem is the units just keep coming. it isn't long before the cost effectiveness of mines increase the gap and terran just pulls away; that is, of course, if both players are playing at the top of their game. and i have to say, barring 1-2 baneling mistakes from soulkey, this was a good game to look at. you honestly just have to crush every production cycle, it feels like, and, with widow mines, i don't see how that's possible.
Yorke
Profile Joined November 2010
England881 Posts
April 18 2013 11:54 GMT
#1709
So... Flash is God.

Not much else to say, really. Makes me chuckle to think back to some people saying that if he switched from BW he wouldn't be as good. It's Flash.
@YorkeSC - RIP MIT Police Officer Sean Collier, BW fan
Zinthar
Profile Joined March 2011
United States394 Posts
April 18 2013 11:54 GMT
#1710
On April 18 2013 20:38 DJHelium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 20:34 Type|NarutO wrote:
It might be just me, but Flash is so aggressive that it might be a good idea to shut it down with a 'lower' (notice: not low) drone count and massive ling/baneling to at least deflect or decimate his initial engagements. His whole plan after being ahead in economy is to constantly trade because Terran can produce units while building economy and expand, Zerg cannot. If he can force a situation where Zerg has good economy but cannot increase it and has to constantly build units, Zerg will eventually fall behind.

If SoulKey could crush the initial (advantage-taking push) of Flash he could easily get into a situation that doesn't prevent Flash from expanding but allows him to do so. That would allow him to tech and hold his ground more easily. Obviously I'm well aware that ling/bane is a horror to play against bio mine, but mutalisks basically are dead-supply in the direct engagement (until before you hit a ton) because they usually would need to harass, which they cannot because Flash does pressure early.

In the fight they are basically dead supply and can only be used to clear mines, but in my mind you'd be better with 1500/1500 in ling/bane instead of mutas, as they will not shut down mediacs (due to boost) mostly anyways. My analysis of it.


Do you think a WoL style +1+1 roach timing would work good? Then transition into muta-ling-bling, but keeping some roaches with it as well. When playing zerg I really like it because it denies the third for a long time and gives total map control.


I don't think that timing would be very effective, and IIRC it was never really in favor in this matchup in WoL among the Korean pros. Roaches are large, slow, have terrible DPS, and get completely owned by marauders -- ling/bling is the most efficient way to deal with bio, by far. If you're going to go roach and get a range upgrade, a better follow-up would probably be swarm hosts so that the roaches can act as their meat shield.

A few pros have messed around with roach/hydra vs. terran, but it's still really out of favor because bio-medivac is so much more cost efficient, and faster. If someone wins with that composition, it was probably because it was a follow-up to a hatch tech roach timing or lair nydus roach attack that did enough damage to make any follow-up a winner.
Cereb
Profile Joined November 2011
Denmark3388 Posts
April 18 2013 11:54 GMT
#1711
Lol, so funny how the chat goes bananas everytime this ZooZoo thing comes on ^_^
"Until the very very top in almost anything, all that matters is how much work you put in. The only problem is most people can't work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they don't have a real passion for. -Greg "IdrA" Fields
3point14
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany890 Posts
April 18 2013 11:54 GMT
#1712
of course I have Taeja and Flash in FPL... :/ thanks for rocking GSL and not performing in PL
BakedButters
Profile Joined November 2011
United States748 Posts
April 18 2013 11:54 GMT
#1713
Soulkey and BB shouldn't have tried to outmacro Flash. Instead do some of what LIfe did at MLG, where u go for a big ling bling all in to punish the greedy 3 cc opening
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NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
April 18 2013 11:54 GMT
#1714
On April 18 2013 20:54 snotboogie wrote:
I can't. I just can't understand Flash's macro. His supply is just consistently higher than it's supposed to be.

sounds like Bomber :D
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Brian333
Profile Joined August 2010
657 Posts
April 18 2013 11:54 GMT
#1715
I hope that when Flash has like a 90% win rate against Zerg, Blizzard realizes that sometimes, special players just happen to win that much and it actually has little to do with balance.
Rhaegar_tar
Profile Joined February 2012
France847 Posts
April 18 2013 11:54 GMT
#1716
On April 18 2013 20:51 Severian wrote:
Flash doesn't seem to be transitioning at all so it remains to be seen what happens if someone manages to get to Hive earlier on before falling behind.

The constant aggression is what prevents his opponents from going fast hive...
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
April 18 2013 11:55 GMT
#1717
On April 18 2013 20:53 Penev wrote:
Flash is really good but I have one issue with the game: Terran almost never needs to transition out of MMMM..


I believe it starts to fall off significantly once hive tech zerg with several vipers comes out with ultra support, but flash never gave soulkey a chance to even save up resources to make headway towards a comp that would let him outtrade MMMM
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Kommander
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines4950 Posts
April 18 2013 11:55 GMT
#1718
On April 18 2013 20:54 Type|NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 20:53 Prog455 wrote:
On April 18 2013 20:52 hasuterrans wrote:
Flash roflstomping through his group with basically the same build 4 games in a row.


If it ain't broken don't fix it


Zerg players would argue: If its broken, fix it
:D hehe


lol nice one :p
papaz
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden4149 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-18 11:55:49
April 18 2013 11:55 GMT
#1719
Flash is so good. Damn that aggression. It just doesn't stop!

Although loving Maru's mech play today.
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
April 18 2013 11:55 GMT
#1720
On April 18 2013 20:55 Amui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 20:53 Penev wrote:
Flash is really good but I have one issue with the game: Terran almost never needs to transition out of MMMM..


I believe it starts to fall off significantly once hive tech zerg with several vipers comes out with ultra support, but flash never gave soulkey a chance to even save up resources to make headway towards a comp that would let him outtrade MMMM

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