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Agh, did it always start so early...? I have lectures in 45min...
I would love to skip them, but my students probably won't like a short term cancellation...
Anyways, ForGG fighting!!!
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Will be a hard one for Millenium.
Would not surprise me seeing ForGG 3 times.
Anyways, exited about the games today.
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On April 08 2013 19:44 JustPassingBy wrote:
Agh, did it always start so early...? I have lectures in 45min...
I would love to skip them, but my students probably won't like a short term cancellation...
Anyways, ForGG fighting!!!
Just give them some kind of test, and watch it meanwhile ? 
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Woooohoooo something to do at work!
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I want to see finale / duckdeok, it's been too long now
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forgg glory player. he make much of the wins. forgg all kill Vs MVP I think.
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Really hoping Dayshi or Diestar pick up some kills but realistically I can't imagine anyone but forgg denting MVP's lineup. Team forgg fighting!
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On April 08 2013 20:57 Badfatpanda wrote:
Really hoping Dayshi or Diestar pick up some kills but realistically I can't imagine anyone but forgg denting MVP's lineup. Team forgg fighting!
There is absolutely zero chance DieStar plays. I bet on ForGG (x2), Feast, Dayshi and one amongst Adel, ToD and Goswser.
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On April 08 2013 21:03 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 20:57 Badfatpanda wrote:
Really hoping Dayshi or Diestar pick up some kills but realistically I can't imagine anyone but forgg denting MVP's lineup. Team forgg fighting! There is absolutely zero chance DieStar plays. I bet on ForGG (x2), Feast and Dayshi.
Considering Feast and goswser anormally abysmal record in team leagues, I'd rather see Dayshi, Adel and ForGG x3 ...
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On April 08 2013 21:06 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 21:03 Boucot wrote:On April 08 2013 20:57 Badfatpanda wrote:
Really hoping Dayshi or Diestar pick up some kills but realistically I can't imagine anyone but forgg denting MVP's lineup. Team forgg fighting! There is absolutely zero chance DieStar plays. I bet on ForGG (x2), Feast and Dayshi. Considering Feast and goswser anormally abysmal record in team leagues, I'd rather see Dayshi, Adel and ForGG x3 ...
Feast proved saturday that he is the best "french" Millenium player. And he's the starter. :D
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Wow that was pretty bad lol
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That was weird, yeah something is messed up
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That was ten kinds of pathetic, wow.
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On April 08 2013 21:03 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 20:57 Badfatpanda wrote:
Really hoping Dayshi or Diestar pick up some kills but realistically I can't imagine anyone but forgg denting MVP's lineup. Team forgg fighting! There is absolutely zero chance DieStar plays. I bet on ForGG (x2), Feast, Dayshi and one amongst Adel, ToD and Goswser.
I don't think ToD will play, he's casting on the french stream (but i think you know ^^).
My guess is ForGG (x2), Feast, Goswser and Dayshi.
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On April 08 2013 21:03 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 20:57 Badfatpanda wrote:
Really hoping Dayshi or Diestar pick up some kills but realistically I can't imagine anyone but forgg denting MVP's lineup. Team forgg fighting! There is absolutely zero chance DieStar plays. I bet on ForGG (x2), Feast, Dayshi and one amongst Adel, ToD and Goswser.
I know that. That's why I said hope lol. Dayshi will make an appearance though.
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I had all the wrong hotkeys, my cursor kept going on my other screen because it was not "confined to sc2" worst game/day ever....
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On April 08 2013 21:19 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +MillFeast
I had all the wrong hotkeys, my cursor kept going on my other screen because it was not "confined to sc2" worst game/day ever.... =/
So sad to hear.
Though, happy to see Bang getting some playtime!
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On April 08 2013 21:19 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +MillFeast
I had all the wrong hotkeys, my cursor kept going on my other screen because it was not "confined to sc2" worst game/day ever.... =/
How can you let it happen if you know you are going to play?
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On April 08 2013 21:21 habeck wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 21:19 Boucot wrote:MillFeast
I had all the wrong hotkeys, my cursor kept going on my other screen because it was not "confined to sc2" worst game/day ever.... =/ How can you let it happen if you know you are going to play?
Yea I don't know what time it is in France but it has to be late enough that he was probably playing a few hours before this match even started. Why would he play if it wasn't working?
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On April 08 2013 21:23 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 21:21 habeck wrote:On April 08 2013 21:19 Boucot wrote:MillFeast
I had all the wrong hotkeys, my cursor kept going on my other screen because it was not "confined to sc2" worst game/day ever.... =/ How can you let it happen if you know you are going to play? Yea I don't know what time it is in France but it has to be late enough that he was probably playing a few hours before this match even started. Why would he play if it wasn't working?
Isn't there a HotS bug right now that sometimes reset the options?
It's afternoon right now in France.
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On April 08 2013 21:23 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 21:21 habeck wrote:On April 08 2013 21:19 Boucot wrote:MillFeast
I had all the wrong hotkeys, my cursor kept going on my other screen because it was not "confined to sc2" worst game/day ever.... =/ How can you let it happen if you know you are going to play? Yea I don't know what time it is in France but it has to be late enough that he was probably playing a few hours before this match even started. Why would he play if it wasn't working?
It's 14:24 in France right now I think.
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On April 08 2013 21:23 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 21:21 habeck wrote:On April 08 2013 21:19 Boucot wrote:MillFeast
I had all the wrong hotkeys, my cursor kept going on my other screen because it was not "confined to sc2" worst game/day ever.... =/ How can you let it happen if you know you are going to play? Yea I don't know what time it is in France but it has to be late enough that he was probably playing a few hours before this match even started. Why would he play if it wasn't working?
It's 2 PM, it is kind of weird tbh
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ForGG - Bang, Millenium already sending THE man.
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On April 08 2013 21:23 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 21:21 habeck wrote:On April 08 2013 21:19 Boucot wrote:MillFeast
I had all the wrong hotkeys, my cursor kept going on my other screen because it was not "confined to sc2" worst game/day ever.... =/ How can you let it happen if you know you are going to play? Yea I don't know what time it is in France but it has to be late enough that he was probably playing a few hours before this match even started. Why would he play if it wasn't working?
Apparently, the shortcuts are not the same on NA and EU, that's what Millenium caster just said.
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Maybe the settings aren't saved when you change servers ?
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On April 08 2013 21:27 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 21:23 TommyP wrote:On April 08 2013 21:21 habeck wrote:On April 08 2013 21:19 Boucot wrote:MillFeast
I had all the wrong hotkeys, my cursor kept going on my other screen because it was not "confined to sc2" worst game/day ever.... =/ How can you let it happen if you know you are going to play? Yea I don't know what time it is in France but it has to be late enough that he was probably playing a few hours before this match even started. Why would he play if it wasn't working? Apparently, the shortcuts are not the same on NA and EU, that's what Millenium caster just said.
I can confirm that they're not. Really, really unfortunate.
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On April 08 2013 21:27 Otolia wrote:
Maybe the settings aren't saved when you change servers ?
According to the german stream it was more a problem with a dual monitor setup, so the cursor went on to the dektop.
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TB sneaking in that Axiom GSTL brag 
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On April 08 2013 21:21 KristofferAG wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 21:19 Boucot wrote:MillFeast
I had all the wrong hotkeys, my cursor kept going on my other screen because it was not "confined to sc2" worst game/day ever.... =/ So sad to hear. Though, happy to see Bang getting some playtime!
He gets lots of playtime in these online leagues, for the sake of my FGSTL he'd better get some GSTL playtime.
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If Millenium gets all-killed by Bang, I'm going to cry.
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Oh Millenium is in trouble, will they use their special joker
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i hope MVP smacks down ForGG. I hate his cheesy style ...
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On April 08 2013 21:40 Zeon0 wrote:
i hope MVP smacks down ForGG. I hate his cheesy style ...
-.- Except the one doing the timing was Bang here.
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ForGG was a bit unlucky there with the two mines just not being in range to the medivac.
Lets see who millenium puts up next.
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oh it already happened. Liquipedia wasnt updated
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On April 08 2013 21:52 MCDayC wrote:
o.O
TvT so volatile
Well, Dayshi is like 75% in TvT on HotS.
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so this is dayshis play? rank8 gm terran ftw
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Dayshi could have put turrets and close the game easily ><
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What a great overlay, with the teams' sponsors and all. And amazing cast as always, keep up the great work mate.
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On April 08 2013 21:55 Boucot wrote:Well, Dayshi is like 75% in TvT on HotS.
I just mean in terms of build orders and early game.
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nicely played by Dayshi but hes reactions to the drops were weak : D
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Aw, I was about to start writing a song about Bang's AK.
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On April 08 2013 21:59 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Aw, I was about to start writing a song about Bang's AK.
At least with ForGG out of the way for now it'll probably be smooth sailing for whoever MVP decides on
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On April 08 2013 22:00 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 21:59 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Aw, I was about to start writing a song about Bang's AK. At least with ForGG out of the way for now it'll probably be smooth sailing for whoever MVP decides on
He hasn't even come back once though yet :D
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On April 08 2013 22:00 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 21:59 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Aw, I was about to start writing a song about Bang's AK. At least with ForGG out of the way for now it'll probably be smooth sailing for whoever MVP decides on
never count out the max revives that ash brought along
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On April 08 2013 22:01 Badfatpanda wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 22:00 Fusilero wrote:On April 08 2013 21:59 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Aw, I was about to start writing a song about Bang's AK. At least with ForGG out of the way for now it'll probably be smooth sailing for whoever MVP decides on He hasn't even come back once though yet :D
I'm gonna be honest they should only bother with using the ace revive for forGG the mid series revive should probably be used if forGG loses in a more managable series like vs ROOT.
THE CHINESE EMPEROR IS HERE TO CONQUER FRANCE.
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On April 08 2013 22:02 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 22:01 Badfatpanda wrote:On April 08 2013 22:00 Fusilero wrote:On April 08 2013 21:59 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Aw, I was about to start writing a song about Bang's AK. At least with ForGG out of the way for now it'll probably be smooth sailing for whoever MVP decides on He hasn't even come back once though yet :D I'm gonna be honest they should only bother with using the ace revive for forGG the mid series revive should probably be used if forGG loses in a more managable series like vs ROOT. THE CHINESE EMPEROR IS HERE TO CONQUER FRANCE.
Yeah, saving revives is smart, Quantic has already wasted them all and lost all the games they used them in anyway.
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On April 08 2013 22:02 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 22:01 Badfatpanda wrote:On April 08 2013 22:00 Fusilero wrote:On April 08 2013 21:59 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Aw, I was about to start writing a song about Bang's AK. At least with ForGG out of the way for now it'll probably be smooth sailing for whoever MVP decides on He hasn't even come back once though yet :D I'm gonna be honest they should only bother with using the ace revive for forGG the mid series revive should probably be used if forGG loses in a more managable series like vs ROOT.
Agreed. I think every team should do this.
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On April 08 2013 22:02 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 22:01 Badfatpanda wrote:On April 08 2013 22:00 Fusilero wrote:On April 08 2013 21:59 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Aw, I was about to start writing a song about Bang's AK. At least with ForGG out of the way for now it'll probably be smooth sailing for whoever MVP decides on He hasn't even come back once though yet :D I'm gonna be honest they should only bother with using the ace revive for forGG the mid series revive should probably be used if forGG loses in a more managable series like vs ROOT. THE CHINESE EMPEROR IS HERE TO CONQUER FRANCE.
I agree, how many weeks is the season, 8?
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On April 08 2013 22:05 sashkata wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 22:02 Fusilero wrote:On April 08 2013 22:01 Badfatpanda wrote:On April 08 2013 22:00 Fusilero wrote:On April 08 2013 21:59 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Aw, I was about to start writing a song about Bang's AK. At least with ForGG out of the way for now it'll probably be smooth sailing for whoever MVP decides on He hasn't even come back once though yet :D I'm gonna be honest they should only bother with using the ace revive for forGG the mid series revive should probably be used if forGG loses in a more managable series like vs ROOT. Agreed. I think every team should do this.
Feels great to have Taeja. And if Taeja loses, revive Taeja. Not like it ever happens though.
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On April 08 2013 21:52 MCDayC wrote:
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TvT so volatile
yeah, ZvZ early is very stable!
I really dont know about PvP in HotS, but i guess its also not that stable atm?
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On April 08 2013 22:06 Zeon0 wrote:yeah, ZvZ early is very stable! I really dont know about PvP in HotS, but i guess its also not that stable atm?
No it is naht. Pretty messy, lots of BO wins. Midgame & transitions are starting to be figured out though.
Well that oracle had 25 kills.
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On April 08 2013 22:06 Badfatpanda wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 22:02 Fusilero wrote:On April 08 2013 22:01 Badfatpanda wrote:On April 08 2013 22:00 Fusilero wrote:On April 08 2013 21:59 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Aw, I was about to start writing a song about Bang's AK. At least with ForGG out of the way for now it'll probably be smooth sailing for whoever MVP decides on He hasn't even come back once though yet :D I'm gonna be honest they should only bother with using the ace revive for forGG the mid series revive should probably be used if forGG loses in a more managable series like vs ROOT. THE CHINESE EMPEROR IS HERE TO CONQUER FRANCE. I agree, how many weeks is the season, 8?
16.
(18 but every team has a free week in each round)
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One day Dayshi will put turrets in his mineral line ...
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On April 08 2013 22:10 Otolia wrote:
One day terrans will put turrets in their mineral line ...
FTFW
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How does he not put turrets in his mineral lanes.. nooooooooooooooooo
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I heard that Oracles are good vs no units or turrets.
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This game is pretty painful to watch.
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Build. a. turret. Please!
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Lure is actually trying phoenix/colossus.
There. That's why you don't try phoenix/colossus.
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On April 08 2013 22:11 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 22:10 Otolia wrote:
One day terrans will put turrets in their mineral line ... FTFW
That pretty much goes for all races. Spending resources on static defense is for nubs. 
Edit: Well zerg can move their stuff
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On April 08 2013 22:12 StarVe wrote:
This game is pretty painful to watch.
I concur.
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wtf is going on with these compositions?!
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On April 08 2013 22:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Lure is actually trying phoenix/colossus.
There. That's why you don't try phoenix/colossus.
It's really fucking good on this map, you just need a third to establish a TC to get charge to zone the bio. He suffered a lot of damage economically early on despite counters being so powerful against Dayshi due to his lack of turrets.
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I understand that TB doesnt know alot about sc2, and I amgenerally fine with that. But doesnt it go a little far when he doesnt understand that the Terran needs the Vikings?
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WTF did he suicide his probes?!
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I didn't like the contain at all, good thing he got punished for it.
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Great micro by the protoss, throughout the entire game!
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On April 08 2013 22:15 Deckkie wrote:
I understand that TB doesnt know alot about sc2, and I amgenerally fine with that. But doesnt it go a little far when he doesnt understand that the Terran needs the Vikings?
I think the only one that doesn't know much about SC2 is you. When you have almost more Vikings than you have Marines against Toss and next to no medivacs in a 2 base game you're not playing standard. Nobody does this.
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On April 08 2013 22:17 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 22:15 Deckkie wrote:
I understand that TB doesnt know alot about sc2, and I amgenerally fine with that. But doesnt it go a little far when he doesnt understand that the Terran needs the Vikings? I think the only one that doesn't know much about SC2 is you. When you have almost more Vikings than you have Marines against Toss you're not playing standard. Nobody does this.
You're doing a fine job, keep it up sir.
Phoenix/colossus isn't standard and requires a non-standard response. Marines are not exactly what you want against it. At all. Ground units don't really exist to phoenix/colossus. If you don't want those, you also don't want medivacs. What you really want is VIKINGS and nothing else. Maybe BCs.
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On April 08 2013 22:17 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 22:15 Deckkie wrote:
I understand that TB doesnt know alot about sc2, and I amgenerally fine with that. But doesnt it go a little far when he doesnt understand that the Terran needs the Vikings? I think the only one that doesn't know much about SC2 is you. When you have almost more Vikings than you have Marines against Toss you're not playing standard. Nobody does this.
Except that you need the Vikings against collosus. It is the standard, not the exception. Pretty much the first rule in TvP.
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On April 08 2013 22:17 MCDayC wrote:
WTF did he suicide his probes?!
#YOLO
There are two ways Terran can react to that, both are viable and effective if controlled well.
Go mass bio and ignore the phoenix, trying to position yourself in the best engage possible on a high economy as the Protoss has a difficult time moving out with phoenix colossi until they reach a critical mass.
Make mass fucking vikings and just use static defense to defend your third/fourth location with turrets/bunkers/a few mines.
I've seen both work well in pro matches depending on the map.
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On April 08 2013 22:18 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 22:17 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 08 2013 22:15 Deckkie wrote:
I understand that TB doesnt know alot about sc2, and I amgenerally fine with that. But doesnt it go a little far when he doesnt understand that the Terran needs the Vikings? I think the only one that doesn't know much about SC2 is you. When you have almost more Vikings than you have Marines against Toss you're not playing standard. Nobody does this. You're doing a fine job, keep it up sir. Phoenix/colossus isn't standard and requires a non-standard response. Marines are not exactly what you want against it. At all. Ground units don't really exist to phoenix/colossus. If you don't want those, you also don't want medivacs. What you really want is VIKINGS and nothing else. Maybe BCs.
Ghost / viking do quite well against colossi / phenixes.
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On April 08 2013 22:22 Gevna wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 22:18 DarkLordOlli wrote:On April 08 2013 22:17 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 08 2013 22:15 Deckkie wrote:
I understand that TB doesnt know alot about sc2, and I amgenerally fine with that. But doesnt it go a little far when he doesnt understand that the Terran needs the Vikings? I think the only one that doesn't know much about SC2 is you. When you have almost more Vikings than you have Marines against Toss you're not playing standard. Nobody does this. You're doing a fine job, keep it up sir. Phoenix/colossus isn't standard and requires a non-standard response. Marines are not exactly what you want against it. At all. Ground units don't really exist to phoenix/colossus. If you don't want those, you also don't want medivacs. What you really want is VIKINGS and nothing else. Maybe BCs. Ghost / viking do quite well against colossi / phenixes.
Well controlled ghost/viking beats every protoss composition, lol. You don't really need both on 2 bases though. Mass vikings should do the job. What really doesn't do the job is a mix of some ground and some air like we saw that game. If he'd gone super heavy on one of the two (ground/air), he'd have been better off to take his third earlier and outmacro Lure.
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LOL they brought out Tod, jeeze thats shows millenium's lack of depth.
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Still waiting for ToD to travel to Korea and become the caster everyone is waiting for.
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Forget Vikings, a bloody missle turret in both of the mineral lines would have won Dayshi the game.
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On April 08 2013 22:17 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 22:15 Deckkie wrote:
I understand that TB doesnt know alot about sc2, and I amgenerally fine with that. But doesnt it go a little far when he doesnt understand that the Terran needs the Vikings? I think the only one that doesn't know much about SC2 is you. When you have almost more Vikings than you have Marines against Toss and next to no medivacs in a 2 base game you're not playing standard. Nobody does this.
The marines were just the resulting mineral sink. He needed the vikings to attempt to deal with the phoenix colossi composition which is not all that standard itself. Not scouting the second stargate really hurt Dayshi as I feel he was a bit overconfident after killing off 8 of Lure phoenix.
That was really well played by Lure hiding his phoenix count while getting ups for them and using the stalkers to zone Dayshi's vikings.
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Each time Tod or Grubby lose a game, a part of the kid I was dies :-/
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On April 08 2013 22:25 MCDayC wrote:
LOL they brought out Tod, jeeze thats shows millenium's lack of depth.
Why ? ToD is still playing a lot. He is not Incontrol you know.
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On April 08 2013 22:27 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 22:25 MCDayC wrote:
LOL they brought out Tod, jeeze thats shows millenium's lack of depth. Why ? ToD is still playing a lot. He is not Incontrol you know.
Wooohoooo, defend one player by bashing another
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and here comes the oracle.... gg
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ye, that was not pretty...
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Tod dying super fast to two gates pressure... well that was weird.
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On April 08 2013 22:27 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 22:25 MCDayC wrote:
LOL they brought out Tod, jeeze thats shows millenium's lack of depth. Why ? ToD is still playing a lot. He is not Incontrol you know.
Well I don't mean to bash ToD but goswer was still an option and they're gonna revive forGG I'd personally have considered goswer over ToD but I'm not too aware of their hots performances so this based off what I saw at the end of WoL.
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On April 08 2013 22:20 Deckkie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 22:17 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 08 2013 22:15 Deckkie wrote:
I understand that TB doesnt know alot about sc2, and I amgenerally fine with that. But doesnt it go a little far when he doesnt understand that the Terran needs the Vikings? I think the only one that doesn't know much about SC2 is you. When you have almost more Vikings than you have Marines against Toss you're not playing standard. Nobody does this. Except that you need the Vikings against collosus. It is the standard, not the exception. Pretty much the first rule in TvP.
Jesus christ I think we've found someone who does more surface level analysis than I do.
Yes, every Bronze player knows "BUILD VIKING AGAINST COLOSSUS", what you do not do is build 12 of them on 2 bases with 2 ports at the expense of medivacs and then setup a bunker/missile turret contain outside your opponents base.
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Gah have to go teach right when we get to the fun part. Go ForGG!
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On April 08 2013 22:31 Badfatpanda wrote:
Gah have to go teach right when we get to the fun part. Go ForGG!
Give them a maths test and continue watching! ESPORTS
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On April 08 2013 22:30 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 22:20 Deckkie wrote:On April 08 2013 22:17 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 08 2013 22:15 Deckkie wrote:
I understand that TB doesnt know alot about sc2, and I amgenerally fine with that. But doesnt it go a little far when he doesnt understand that the Terran needs the Vikings? I think the only one that doesn't know much about SC2 is you. When you have almost more Vikings than you have Marines against Toss you're not playing standard. Nobody does this. Except that you need the Vikings against collosus. It is the standard, not the exception. Pretty much the first rule in TvP. Jesus christ I think we've found someone who does more surface level analysis than I do. Yes, every Bronze player knows "BUILD VIKING AGAINST COLOSSUS", what you do not do is build 12 of them on 2 bases with 2 ports at the expense of medivacs and then setup a bunker/missile turret contain outside your opponents base.
At this point, he was behind. He tried something (wierd granted but it was something). I am not sure anyone know what Dayshi could have done at that point in the game.
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On April 08 2013 22:30 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 22:27 Otolia wrote:On April 08 2013 22:25 MCDayC wrote:
LOL they brought out Tod, jeeze thats shows millenium's lack of depth. Why ? ToD is still playing a lot. He is not Incontrol you know. Well I don't mean to bash ToD but goswer was still an option and they're gonna revive forGG I'd personally have considered goswer over ToD but I'm not too aware of their hots performances so this based off what I saw at the end of WoL.
Goswser played two times against Protoss recently in clan wars and lost both of them badly. It's unfortunate that Feast had to take a train (and so forced to play first) so that he could have been a good Protoss sniper.
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On April 08 2013 22:30 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 22:27 Otolia wrote:On April 08 2013 22:25 MCDayC wrote:
LOL they brought out Tod, jeeze thats shows millenium's lack of depth. Why ? ToD is still playing a lot. He is not Incontrol you know. Well I don't mean to bash ToD but goswer was still an option and they're gonna revive forGG I'd personally have considered goswer over ToD but I'm not too aware of their hots performances so this based off what I saw at the end of WoL.
goswser isn't available right now. ToD just place second in the francophone championship - which doesn't mean a lot on the world scene but he isn't that bad.
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On April 08 2013 22:32 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 22:31 Badfatpanda wrote:
Gah have to go teach right when we get to the fun part. Go ForGG! Give them a maths test and continue watching! ESPORTS
I thought he meant teaching Starcraft. He's a young student himself, if I recall correctly.
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On April 08 2013 22:38 AlternativeEgo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 22:32 DarkLordOlli wrote:On April 08 2013 22:31 Badfatpanda wrote:
Gah have to go teach right when we get to the fun part. Go ForGG! Give them a maths test and continue watching! ESPORTS I thought he meant teaching Starcraft. He's a young student himself, if I recall correctly.
SC2 requires math knowledge too, give them a maths test and continue watching! lol
Can you do a 3 Nexus build in HotS? I gave up on it because medivacs punish you pretty hard.
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On April 08 2013 22:30 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 22:20 Deckkie wrote:On April 08 2013 22:17 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 08 2013 22:15 Deckkie wrote:
I understand that TB doesnt know alot about sc2, and I amgenerally fine with that. But doesnt it go a little far when he doesnt understand that the Terran needs the Vikings? I think the only one that doesn't know much about SC2 is you. When you have almost more Vikings than you have Marines against Toss you're not playing standard. Nobody does this. Except that you need the Vikings against collosus. It is the standard, not the exception. Pretty much the first rule in TvP. Jesus christ I think we've found someone who does more surface level analysis than I do. Yes, every Bronze player knows "BUILD VIKING AGAINST COLOSSUS", what you do not do is build 12 of them on 2 bases with 2 ports at the expense of medivacs and then setup a bunker/missile turret contain outside your opponents base.
You are completely right. How could I be so stupid to think that Vikings are not always more viable against 5(4?) Colossus than Marines are. I heard that they do pretty good against 9 range rays of death.
Look, you dont have to listen to me, I am just a no name guy. Just realise that you are directly questioning Dayshi his decision making. To do that you have to be pretty arrogant.
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On April 08 2013 22:42 Deckkie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 22:30 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 08 2013 22:20 Deckkie wrote:On April 08 2013 22:17 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 08 2013 22:15 Deckkie wrote:
I understand that TB doesnt know alot about sc2, and I amgenerally fine with that. But doesnt it go a little far when he doesnt understand that the Terran needs the Vikings? I think the only one that doesn't know much about SC2 is you. When you have almost more Vikings than you have Marines against Toss you're not playing standard. Nobody does this. Except that you need the Vikings against collosus. It is the standard, not the exception. Pretty much the first rule in TvP. Jesus christ I think we've found someone who does more surface level analysis than I do. Yes, every Bronze player knows "BUILD VIKING AGAINST COLOSSUS", what you do not do is build 12 of them on 2 bases with 2 ports at the expense of medivacs and then setup a bunker/missile turret contain outside your opponents base. You are completely right. How could I be so stupid to think that Vikings are not always more viable against 5(4?) Colossus than Marines are. I heard that they do pretty good against 9 range rays of death. Look, you dont have to listen to me, I am just a no name guy. Just realise that you are directly questioning Dayshi his decision making. To do that you have to be pretty arrogant.
How'd that work out for Dayshi?
He tried something funky and TB called it "not standard". I don't see what you're on about.
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On April 08 2013 22:44 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 22:42 Deckkie wrote:On April 08 2013 22:30 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 08 2013 22:20 Deckkie wrote:On April 08 2013 22:17 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 08 2013 22:15 Deckkie wrote:
I understand that TB doesnt know alot about sc2, and I amgenerally fine with that. But doesnt it go a little far when he doesnt understand that the Terran needs the Vikings? I think the only one that doesn't know much about SC2 is you. When you have almost more Vikings than you have Marines against Toss you're not playing standard. Nobody does this. Except that you need the Vikings against collosus. It is the standard, not the exception. Pretty much the first rule in TvP. Jesus christ I think we've found someone who does more surface level analysis than I do. Yes, every Bronze player knows "BUILD VIKING AGAINST COLOSSUS", what you do not do is build 12 of them on 2 bases with 2 ports at the expense of medivacs and then setup a bunker/missile turret contain outside your opponents base. You are completely right. How could I be so stupid to think that Vikings are not always more viable against 5(4?) Colossus than Marines are. I heard that they do pretty good against 9 range rays of death. Look, you dont have to listen to me, I am just a no name guy. Just realise that you are directly questioning Dayshi his decision making. To do that you have to be pretty arrogant. How'd that work out for Dayshi?
Are you arguing that he had a better chance winning that with a different army composition?
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People question pro's decision-making all the time. You can be right or wrong but it's hardly stupid in itself.
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On April 08 2013 22:45 Deckkie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 22:44 DarkLordOlli wrote:On April 08 2013 22:42 Deckkie wrote:On April 08 2013 22:30 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 08 2013 22:20 Deckkie wrote:On April 08 2013 22:17 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 08 2013 22:15 Deckkie wrote:
I understand that TB doesnt know alot about sc2, and I amgenerally fine with that. But doesnt it go a little far when he doesnt understand that the Terran needs the Vikings? I think the only one that doesn't know much about SC2 is you. When you have almost more Vikings than you have Marines against Toss you're not playing standard. Nobody does this. Except that you need the Vikings against collosus. It is the standard, not the exception. Pretty much the first rule in TvP. Jesus christ I think we've found someone who does more surface level analysis than I do. Yes, every Bronze player knows "BUILD VIKING AGAINST COLOSSUS", what you do not do is build 12 of them on 2 bases with 2 ports at the expense of medivacs and then setup a bunker/missile turret contain outside your opponents base. You are completely right. How could I be so stupid to think that Vikings are not always more viable against 5(4?) Colossus than Marines are. I heard that they do pretty good against 9 range rays of death. Look, you dont have to listen to me, I am just a no name guy. Just realise that you are directly questioning Dayshi his decision making. To do that you have to be pretty arrogant. How'd that work out for Dayshi? Are you arguing that he had a better chance winning that with a different army composition?
Yes. Full ground or full air. He went a mix of both and tried a contain without knowing what his opponent was doing. Turns out Lure went double stargate phoenix with 5 colossi still alive. That kind of DESTROYS a mix of ground and air.
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On April 08 2013 22:44 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 22:42 Deckkie wrote:On April 08 2013 22:30 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 08 2013 22:20 Deckkie wrote:On April 08 2013 22:17 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 08 2013 22:15 Deckkie wrote:
I understand that TB doesnt know alot about sc2, and I amgenerally fine with that. But doesnt it go a little far when he doesnt understand that the Terran needs the Vikings? I think the only one that doesn't know much about SC2 is you. When you have almost more Vikings than you have Marines against Toss you're not playing standard. Nobody does this. Except that you need the Vikings against collosus. It is the standard, not the exception. Pretty much the first rule in TvP. Jesus christ I think we've found someone who does more surface level analysis than I do. Yes, every Bronze player knows "BUILD VIKING AGAINST COLOSSUS", what you do not do is build 12 of them on 2 bases with 2 ports at the expense of medivacs and then setup a bunker/missile turret contain outside your opponents base. You are completely right. How could I be so stupid to think that Vikings are not always more viable against 5(4?) Colossus than Marines are. I heard that they do pretty good against 9 range rays of death. Look, you dont have to listen to me, I am just a no name guy. Just realise that you are directly questioning Dayshi his decision making. To do that you have to be pretty arrogant. How'd that work out for Dayshi?
Not very fair to judge him on that move when Oracles killed more than 60 workers during the game.
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On April 08 2013 22:44 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 22:42 Deckkie wrote:On April 08 2013 22:30 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 08 2013 22:20 Deckkie wrote:On April 08 2013 22:17 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 08 2013 22:15 Deckkie wrote:
I understand that TB doesnt know alot about sc2, and I amgenerally fine with that. But doesnt it go a little far when he doesnt understand that the Terran needs the Vikings? I think the only one that doesn't know much about SC2 is you. When you have almost more Vikings than you have Marines against Toss you're not playing standard. Nobody does this. Except that you need the Vikings against collosus. It is the standard, not the exception. Pretty much the first rule in TvP. Jesus christ I think we've found someone who does more surface level analysis than I do. Yes, every Bronze player knows "BUILD VIKING AGAINST COLOSSUS", what you do not do is build 12 of them on 2 bases with 2 ports at the expense of medivacs and then setup a bunker/missile turret contain outside your opponents base. You are completely right. How could I be so stupid to think that Vikings are not always more viable against 5(4?) Colossus than Marines are. I heard that they do pretty good against 9 range rays of death. Look, you dont have to listen to me, I am just a no name guy. Just realise that you are directly questioning Dayshi his decision making. To do that you have to be pretty arrogant. How'd that work out for Dayshi?
Positioning costed Dayshi hard. It was pheonix vs Viking, not Viking vs Colossi. It came down to the pheonix flank, but that's what happens when you let your opponent attack your position.
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On April 08 2013 22:38 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 22:38 AlternativeEgo wrote:On April 08 2013 22:32 DarkLordOlli wrote:On April 08 2013 22:31 Badfatpanda wrote:
Gah have to go teach right when we get to the fun part. Go ForGG! Give them a maths test and continue watching! ESPORTS I thought he meant teaching Starcraft. He's a young student himself, if I recall correctly. SC2 requires math knowledge too, give them a maths test and continue watching! lol
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Turns out Lure is pretty good
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One day we will prevail. One day ...
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On April 08 2013 22:46 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 22:45 Deckkie wrote:On April 08 2013 22:44 DarkLordOlli wrote:On April 08 2013 22:42 Deckkie wrote:On April 08 2013 22:30 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 08 2013 22:20 Deckkie wrote:On April 08 2013 22:17 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 08 2013 22:15 Deckkie wrote:
I understand that TB doesnt know alot about sc2, and I amgenerally fine with that. But doesnt it go a little far when he doesnt understand that the Terran needs the Vikings? I think the only one that doesn't know much about SC2 is you. When you have almost more Vikings than you have Marines against Toss you're not playing standard. Nobody does this. Except that you need the Vikings against collosus. It is the standard, not the exception. Pretty much the first rule in TvP. Jesus christ I think we've found someone who does more surface level analysis than I do. Yes, every Bronze player knows "BUILD VIKING AGAINST COLOSSUS", what you do not do is build 12 of them on 2 bases with 2 ports at the expense of medivacs and then setup a bunker/missile turret contain outside your opponents base. You are completely right. How could I be so stupid to think that Vikings are not always more viable against 5(4?) Colossus than Marines are. I heard that they do pretty good against 9 range rays of death. Look, you dont have to listen to me, I am just a no name guy. Just realise that you are directly questioning Dayshi his decision making. To do that you have to be pretty arrogant. How'd that work out for Dayshi? Are you arguing that he had a better chance winning that with a different army composition? Yes. Full ground or full air. He went a mix of both and tried a contain without knowing what his opponent was doing. Turns out Lure went double stargate phoenix with 5 colossi still alive. That kind of DESTROYS a mix of ground and air.
Full ground is less than ideal against Colossus, and I am not sure how you can really transition into full air in a TvP. And you definatly cant do it in the game they played.
edit: btw my point was that he had lost that game either way.
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Millenium has only one player who's good versus Protoss. And he was already out.
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On April 08 2013 22:50 Deckkie wrote:
Full ground is less than ideal against Colossus, and I am not sure how you can really transition into full air in a TvP. And you definatly cant do it in the game they played.
edit: btw my point was that he had lost that game either way.
You are wriggling to get out of your original post which was just you being a dick and saying "HURRDURR, TB KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT SC2, VIKINGS ARE NEEDED AGAINST PROTOSS". You said nothing about non-standard comps or the actual situation at hand and borrowed most of that knowledge from the thread it seems.
So the lesson I guess is quit being a nobber in live-report threads.
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On April 08 2013 22:50 Deckkie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 22:46 DarkLordOlli wrote:On April 08 2013 22:45 Deckkie wrote:On April 08 2013 22:44 DarkLordOlli wrote:On April 08 2013 22:42 Deckkie wrote:On April 08 2013 22:30 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 08 2013 22:20 Deckkie wrote:On April 08 2013 22:17 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 08 2013 22:15 Deckkie wrote:
I understand that TB doesnt know alot about sc2, and I amgenerally fine with that. But doesnt it go a little far when he doesnt understand that the Terran needs the Vikings? I think the only one that doesn't know much about SC2 is you. When you have almost more Vikings than you have Marines against Toss you're not playing standard. Nobody does this. Except that you need the Vikings against collosus. It is the standard, not the exception. Pretty much the first rule in TvP. Jesus christ I think we've found someone who does more surface level analysis than I do. Yes, every Bronze player knows "BUILD VIKING AGAINST COLOSSUS", what you do not do is build 12 of them on 2 bases with 2 ports at the expense of medivacs and then setup a bunker/missile turret contain outside your opponents base. You are completely right. How could I be so stupid to think that Vikings are not always more viable against 5(4?) Colossus than Marines are. I heard that they do pretty good against 9 range rays of death. Look, you dont have to listen to me, I am just a no name guy. Just realise that you are directly questioning Dayshi his decision making. To do that you have to be pretty arrogant. How'd that work out for Dayshi? Are you arguing that he had a better chance winning that with a different army composition? Yes. Full ground or full air. He went a mix of both and tried a contain without knowing what his opponent was doing. Turns out Lure went double stargate phoenix with 5 colossi still alive. That kind of DESTROYS a mix of ground and air. Full ground is less than ideal against Colossus, and I am not sure how you can really transition into full air in a TvP. And you definatly cant do it in the game they played.
You have to consider how much gas goes into double stargate phoenix with upgrades on two bases. There's not gonna be a lot of ground support for the colossi. If you go marauder-heavy full ground, you can stim through that no problem.
The thing is he never scouted the 2nd stargate and had no idea what he was really containing. If he'd known, he wouldn't have contained. You can only contain someone if your army is stronger than theirs or at least trades well enough so that your opponent can't counterattack and kill you. But his army wasn't strong enough.
Phoenixes don't give a flying f--- (lol) about a bio concave with bunkers.
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Any chance we can have you and Rotterdam together for a cast on this tournament, TB?
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On April 08 2013 22:53 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 22:50 Deckkie wrote:
Full ground is less than ideal against Colossus, and I am not sure how you can really transition into full air in a TvP. And you definatly cant do it in the game they played.
edit: btw my point was that he had lost that game either way. You are wriggling to get out of your original post which was just you being a dick and saying "HURRDURR, TB KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT SC2, VIKINGS ARE NEEDED AGAINST PROTOSS". You said nothing about non-standard comps or the actual situation at hand and borrowed most of that knowledge from the thread it seems. So the lesson I guess is quit being a nobber in live-report threads.
Wait. I made a different reply to you. You just did what you accuse me of doing, the irony. And how do you come to the conclusion that I borrowed my knoweledge from this thread? I mean, really.
I am getting a little tired that you are talking to me like a complete ass, while that is where you are pulling your every word that comes out of your mouth from.
See, I can be a dick too.
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Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 22:50 Deckkie wrote:
Full ground is less than ideal against Colossus, and I am not sure how you can really transition into full air in a TvP. And you definatly cant do it in the game they played.
edit: btw my point was that he had lost that game either way. You are wriggling to get out of your original post which was just you being a dick and saying "HURRDURR, TB KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT SC2, VIKINGS ARE NEEDED AGAINST PROTOSS". You said nothing about non-standard comps or the actual situation at hand and borrowed most of that knowledge from the thread it seems. So the lesson I guess is quit being a nobber in live-report threads. Wait. I made a different reply to you. You just did what you accuse me of doing, the irony. And how do you come to the conclusion that I borrowed my knoweledge from this thread? I mean, really. I am getting a little tired that you are talking to me like a complete ass, while that is where you are pulling your every word that comes out of your mouth from. See, I can be a dick too.
We already knew you could be a dick, you started off that way in this thread with your shitty caster bashing.
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On April 08 2013 23:04 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 22:50 Deckkie wrote:
Full ground is less than ideal against Colossus, and I am not sure how you can really transition into full air in a TvP. And you definatly cant do it in the game they played.
edit: btw my point was that he had lost that game either way. You are wriggling to get out of your original post which was just you being a dick and saying "HURRDURR, TB KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT SC2, VIKINGS ARE NEEDED AGAINST PROTOSS". You said nothing about non-standard comps or the actual situation at hand and borrowed most of that knowledge from the thread it seems. So the lesson I guess is quit being a nobber in live-report threads. Wait. I made a different reply to you. You just did what you accuse me of doing, the irony. And how do you come to the conclusion that I borrowed my knoweledge from this thread? I mean, really. I am getting a little tired that you are talking to me like a complete ass, while that is where you are pulling your every word that comes out of your mouth from. See, I can be a dick too. We already knew you could be a dick, you started off that way in this thread with your shitty caster bashing.
I think I had legitimate reason to call you out. And it was something very different than just bashing. But if you think that makes one a dick, you should think about what you are everytime you call out preffesional players on their decision making. Think about it.
edit: I am done now btw. Have a nice day.
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It will be exciting to see if teams pick up players as the season goes on. With WCS, teams should have more budget for new players and possibilities to provide team houses etc. Millenium would be a prime candidate for that.
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On April 08 2013 23:40 SinCitta wrote:
It will be exciting to see if teams pick up players as the season goes on. With WCS, teams should have more budget for new players and possibilities to provide team houses etc. Millenium would be a prime candidate for that.
Llewellys said that the ForGG's visa processus with something like 128 steps (yeah, french administration FTW !) is about to finish and it'll be easier to make koreans come to France in the future. So yes, Millenium must at least be considered.
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On April 08 2013 22:53 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 22:50 Deckkie wrote:
Full ground is less than ideal against Colossus, and I am not sure how you can really transition into full air in a TvP. And you definatly cant do it in the game they played.
edit: btw my point was that he had lost that game either way. You are wriggling to get out of your original post which was just you being a dick and saying "HURRDURR, TB KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT SC2, VIKINGS ARE NEEDED AGAINST PROTOSS". You said nothing about non-standard comps or the actual situation at hand and borrowed most of that knowledge from the thread it seems. So the lesson I guess is quit being a nobber in live-report threads.
Actually, the original post was:
On April 08 2013 22:15 Deckkie wrote:
I understand that TB doesnt know alot about sc2, and I amgenerally fine with that. But doesnt it go a little far when he doesnt understand that the Terran needs the Vikings?
And "the Terran" and "the Vikings" kind of implies to me that he meant ForGG in that particular game, in which case it refers to the actual situation at hand.
Unless he tried to fake a french accent, in which case the correct usage would be "le Terran" and "le Viking", also the "h" in "he" should've been silent. ^.^
Anyways, we've all seen how good the vikings did for him (basically nothing), though that might also come with ForGG's decision to make a stand right in front of the protoss's base, instead of trying to catch the collossi off guard in the middle of the map.
edit: yes, Dayshi, not ForGG, my bad... -.-"
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funny to watch TB exchange messages with someone like 2 toddlers arguing , "he started it first" ... lol
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Quite surprised that they didnt play Goswser considering he has the most significant HotS experience when it comes to tournaments, especially against a terran like Bang.
EDIT: Nvm just realized Goswser wasn't available for this match. Sucks because I consider him one of, if not, the strongest player on Millenium currently.
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On April 09 2013 00:44 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 22:53 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 08 2013 22:50 Deckkie wrote:
Full ground is less than ideal against Colossus, and I am not sure how you can really transition into full air in a TvP. And you definatly cant do it in the game they played.
edit: btw my point was that he had lost that game either way. You are wriggling to get out of your original post which was just you being a dick and saying "HURRDURR, TB KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT SC2, VIKINGS ARE NEEDED AGAINST PROTOSS". You said nothing about non-standard comps or the actual situation at hand and borrowed most of that knowledge from the thread it seems. So the lesson I guess is quit being a nobber in live-report threads. Actually, the original post was: Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 22:15 Deckkie wrote:
I understand that TB doesnt know alot about sc2, and I amgenerally fine with that. But doesnt it go a little far when he doesnt understand that the Terran needs the Vikings? And "the Terran" and "the Vikings" kind of implies to me that he meant ForGG in that particular game, in which case it refers to the actual situation at hand. Unless he tried to fake a french accent, in which case the correct usage would be "le Terran" and "le Viking", also the "h" in "he" should've been silent. ^.^ Anyways, we've all seen how good the vikings did for him (basically nothing), though that might also come with ForGG's decision to make a stand right in front of the protoss's base, instead of trying to catch the collossi off guard in the middle of the map.
Dayshi is the player in consideration, not ForGG.
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