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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
April 08 2013 13:49 GMT
#121
Turns out Lure is pretty good
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
April 08 2013 13:49 GMT
#122
One day we will prevail. One day ...
Deckkie
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1595 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-08 13:52:12
April 08 2013 13:50 GMT
#123
On April 08 2013 22:46 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 22:45 Deckkie wrote:
On April 08 2013 22:44 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On April 08 2013 22:42 Deckkie wrote:
On April 08 2013 22:30 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 08 2013 22:20 Deckkie wrote:
On April 08 2013 22:17 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 08 2013 22:15 Deckkie wrote:
I understand that TB doesnt know alot about sc2, and I amgenerally fine with that. But doesnt it go a little far when he doesnt understand that the Terran needs the Vikings?


I think the only one that doesn't know much about SC2 is you. When you have almost more Vikings than you have Marines against Toss you're not playing standard. Nobody does this.


Except that you need the Vikings against collosus. It is the standard, not the exception. Pretty much the first rule in TvP.


Jesus christ I think we've found someone who does more surface level analysis than I do.

Yes, every Bronze player knows "BUILD VIKING AGAINST COLOSSUS", what you do not do is build 12 of them on 2 bases with 2 ports at the expense of medivacs and then setup a bunker/missile turret contain outside your opponents base.


You are completely right. How could I be so stupid to think that Vikings are not always more viable against 5(4?) Colossus than Marines are. I heard that they do pretty good against 9 range rays of death.

Look, you dont have to listen to me, I am just a no name guy. Just realise that you are directly questioning Dayshi his decision making. To do that you have to be pretty arrogant.


How'd that work out for Dayshi?


Are you arguing that he had a better chance winning that with a different army composition?


Yes. Full ground or full air. He went a mix of both and tried a contain without knowing what his opponent was doing. Turns out Lure went double stargate phoenix with 5 colossi still alive. That kind of DESTROYS a mix of ground and air.


Full ground is less than ideal against Colossus, and I am not sure how you can really transition into full air in a TvP. And you definatly cant do it in the game they played.

edit: btw my point was that he had lost that game either way.
Always look on the bright side of life
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
April 08 2013 13:53 GMT
#124
Millenium has only one player who's good versus Protoss. And he was already out.
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
April 08 2013 13:53 GMT
#125
On April 08 2013 22:50 Deckkie wrote:
Full ground is less than ideal against Colossus, and I am not sure how you can really transition into full air in a TvP. And you definatly cant do it in the game they played.

edit: btw my point was that he had lost that game either way.


You are wriggling to get out of your original post which was just you being a dick and saying "HURRDURR, TB KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT SC2, VIKINGS ARE NEEDED AGAINST PROTOSS". You said nothing about non-standard comps or the actual situation at hand and borrowed most of that knowledge from the thread it seems.

So the lesson I guess is quit being a nobber in live-report threads.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-08 14:00:56
April 08 2013 13:55 GMT
#126
On April 08 2013 22:50 Deckkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 22:46 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On April 08 2013 22:45 Deckkie wrote:
On April 08 2013 22:44 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On April 08 2013 22:42 Deckkie wrote:
On April 08 2013 22:30 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 08 2013 22:20 Deckkie wrote:
On April 08 2013 22:17 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 08 2013 22:15 Deckkie wrote:
I understand that TB doesnt know alot about sc2, and I amgenerally fine with that. But doesnt it go a little far when he doesnt understand that the Terran needs the Vikings?


I think the only one that doesn't know much about SC2 is you. When you have almost more Vikings than you have Marines against Toss you're not playing standard. Nobody does this.


Except that you need the Vikings against collosus. It is the standard, not the exception. Pretty much the first rule in TvP.


Jesus christ I think we've found someone who does more surface level analysis than I do.

Yes, every Bronze player knows "BUILD VIKING AGAINST COLOSSUS", what you do not do is build 12 of them on 2 bases with 2 ports at the expense of medivacs and then setup a bunker/missile turret contain outside your opponents base.


You are completely right. How could I be so stupid to think that Vikings are not always more viable against 5(4?) Colossus than Marines are. I heard that they do pretty good against 9 range rays of death.

Look, you dont have to listen to me, I am just a no name guy. Just realise that you are directly questioning Dayshi his decision making. To do that you have to be pretty arrogant.


How'd that work out for Dayshi?


Are you arguing that he had a better chance winning that with a different army composition?


Yes. Full ground or full air. He went a mix of both and tried a contain without knowing what his opponent was doing. Turns out Lure went double stargate phoenix with 5 colossi still alive. That kind of DESTROYS a mix of ground and air.


Full ground is less than ideal against Colossus, and I am not sure how you can really transition into full air in a TvP. And you definatly cant do it in the game they played.


You have to consider how much gas goes into double stargate phoenix with upgrades on two bases. There's not gonna be a lot of ground support for the colossi. If you go marauder-heavy full ground, you can stim through that no problem.
The thing is he never scouted the 2nd stargate and had no idea what he was really containing. If he'd known, he wouldn't have contained. You can only contain someone if your army is stronger than theirs or at least trades well enough so that your opponent can't counterattack and kill you. But his army wasn't strong enough.
Phoenixes don't give a flying f--- (lol) about a bio concave with bunkers.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
betaman
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom355 Posts
April 08 2013 13:57 GMT
#127
Any chance we can have you and Rotterdam together for a cast on this tournament, TB?
Deckkie
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1595 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-08 14:01:47
April 08 2013 13:59 GMT
#128
On April 08 2013 22:53 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 22:50 Deckkie wrote:
Full ground is less than ideal against Colossus, and I am not sure how you can really transition into full air in a TvP. And you definatly cant do it in the game they played.

edit: btw my point was that he had lost that game either way.


You are wriggling to get out of your original post which was just you being a dick and saying "HURRDURR, TB KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT SC2, VIKINGS ARE NEEDED AGAINST PROTOSS". You said nothing about non-standard comps or the actual situation at hand and borrowed most of that knowledge from the thread it seems.

So the lesson I guess is quit being a nobber in live-report threads.


Wait. I made a different reply to you. You just did what you accuse me of doing, the irony. And how do you come to the conclusion that I borrowed my knoweledge from this thread? I mean, really.

I am getting a little tired that you are talking to me like a complete ass, while that is where you are pulling your every word that comes out of your mouth from.

See, I can be a dick too.
Always look on the bright side of life
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-08 14:04:23
April 08 2013 14:04 GMT
#129
Show nested quote +


On April 08 2013 22:50 Deckkie wrote:
Full ground is less than ideal against Colossus, and I am not sure how you can really transition into full air in a TvP. And you definatly cant do it in the game they played.

edit: btw my point was that he had lost that game either way.


You are wriggling to get out of your original post which was just you being a dick and saying "HURRDURR, TB KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT SC2, VIKINGS ARE NEEDED AGAINST PROTOSS". You said nothing about non-standard comps or the actual situation at hand and borrowed most of that knowledge from the thread it seems.

So the lesson I guess is quit being a nobber in live-report threads.


Wait. I made a different reply to you. You just did what you accuse me of doing, the irony. And how do you come to the conclusion that I borrowed my knoweledge from this thread? I mean, really.

I am getting a little tired that you are talking to me like a complete ass, while that is where you are pulling your every word that comes out of your mouth from.

See, I can be a dick too.


We already knew you could be a dick, you started off that way in this thread with your shitty caster bashing.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
Deckkie
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1595 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-08 14:09:26
April 08 2013 14:09 GMT
#130
On April 08 2013 23:04 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +


On April 08 2013 22:50 Deckkie wrote:
Full ground is less than ideal against Colossus, and I am not sure how you can really transition into full air in a TvP. And you definatly cant do it in the game they played.

edit: btw my point was that he had lost that game either way.


You are wriggling to get out of your original post which was just you being a dick and saying "HURRDURR, TB KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT SC2, VIKINGS ARE NEEDED AGAINST PROTOSS". You said nothing about non-standard comps or the actual situation at hand and borrowed most of that knowledge from the thread it seems.

So the lesson I guess is quit being a nobber in live-report threads.


Wait. I made a different reply to you. You just did what you accuse me of doing, the irony. And how do you come to the conclusion that I borrowed my knoweledge from this thread? I mean, really.

I am getting a little tired that you are talking to me like a complete ass, while that is where you are pulling your every word that comes out of your mouth from.

See, I can be a dick too.


We already knew you could be a dick, you started off that way in this thread with your shitty caster bashing.


I think I had legitimate reason to call you out. And it was something very different than just bashing. But if you think that makes one a dick, you should think about what you are everytime you call out preffesional players on their decision making. Think about it.

edit: I am done now btw. Have a nice day.
Always look on the bright side of life
SinCitta
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany2127 Posts
April 08 2013 14:40 GMT
#131
It will be exciting to see if teams pick up players as the season goes on. With WCS, teams should have more budget for new players and possibilities to provide team houses etc. Millenium would be a prime candidate for that.
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
April 08 2013 14:46 GMT
#132
On April 08 2013 23:40 SinCitta wrote:
It will be exciting to see if teams pick up players as the season goes on. With WCS, teams should have more budget for new players and possibilities to provide team houses etc. Millenium would be a prime candidate for that.

Llewellys said that the ForGG's visa processus with something like 128 steps (yeah, french administration FTW !) is about to finish and it'll be easier to make koreans come to France in the future. So yes, Millenium must at least be considered.
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-09 13:58:18
April 08 2013 15:44 GMT
#133
On April 08 2013 22:53 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 22:50 Deckkie wrote:
Full ground is less than ideal against Colossus, and I am not sure how you can really transition into full air in a TvP. And you definatly cant do it in the game they played.

edit: btw my point was that he had lost that game either way.


You are wriggling to get out of your original post which was just you being a dick and saying "HURRDURR, TB KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT SC2, VIKINGS ARE NEEDED AGAINST PROTOSS". You said nothing about non-standard comps or the actual situation at hand and borrowed most of that knowledge from the thread it seems.

So the lesson I guess is quit being a nobber in live-report threads.


Actually, the original post was:

On April 08 2013 22:15 Deckkie wrote:
I understand that TB doesnt know alot about sc2, and I amgenerally fine with that. But doesnt it go a little far when he doesnt understand that the Terran needs the Vikings?


And "the Terran" and "the Vikings" kind of implies to me that he meant ForGG in that particular game, in which case it refers to the actual situation at hand.

Unless he tried to fake a french accent, in which case the correct usage would be "le Terran" and "le Viking", also the "h" in "he" should've been silent. ^.^

Anyways, we've all seen how good the vikings did for him (basically nothing), though that might also come with ForGG's decision to make a stand right in front of the protoss's base, instead of trying to catch the collossi off guard in the middle of the map.

edit: yes, Dayshi, not ForGG, my bad... -.-"
Grimmac
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom71 Posts
April 08 2013 16:22 GMT
#134
funny to watch TB exchange messages with someone like 2 toddlers arguing , "he started it first" ... lol
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-08 16:44:57
April 08 2013 16:41 GMT
#135
Quite surprised that they didnt play Goswser considering he has the most significant HotS experience when it comes to tournaments, especially against a terran like Bang.

EDIT: Nvm just realized Goswser wasn't available for this match. Sucks because I consider him one of, if not, the strongest player on Millenium currently.
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
greenknight999
Profile Joined January 2012
69 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-08 16:47:23
April 08 2013 16:46 GMT
#136
On April 09 2013 00:44 JustPassingBy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 22:53 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 08 2013 22:50 Deckkie wrote:
Full ground is less than ideal against Colossus, and I am not sure how you can really transition into full air in a TvP. And you definatly cant do it in the game they played.

edit: btw my point was that he had lost that game either way.


You are wriggling to get out of your original post which was just you being a dick and saying "HURRDURR, TB KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT SC2, VIKINGS ARE NEEDED AGAINST PROTOSS". You said nothing about non-standard comps or the actual situation at hand and borrowed most of that knowledge from the thread it seems.

So the lesson I guess is quit being a nobber in live-report threads.


Actually, the original post was:

Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 22:15 Deckkie wrote:
I understand that TB doesnt know alot about sc2, and I amgenerally fine with that. But doesnt it go a little far when he doesnt understand that the Terran needs the Vikings?


And "the Terran" and "the Vikings" kind of implies to me that he meant ForGG in that particular game, in which case it refers to the actual situation at hand.

Unless he tried to fake a french accent, in which case the correct usage would be "le Terran" and "le Viking", also the "h" in "he" should've been silent. ^.^

Anyways, we've all seen how good the vikings did for him (basically nothing), though that might also come with ForGG's decision to make a stand right in front of the protoss's base, instead of trying to catch the collossi off guard in the middle of the map.


Dayshi is the player in consideration, not ForGG.
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