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On April 07 2013 21:30 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 21:13 theMagus wrote:On April 07 2013 21:08 StarStruck wrote:On April 07 2013 21:05 theMagus wrote:On April 07 2013 20:59 StarStruck wrote:On April 07 2013 20:57 theMagus wrote:On April 07 2013 20:56 StarStruck wrote:On April 07 2013 20:50 theMagus wrote:On April 07 2013 20:44 StarStruck wrote:On April 07 2013 20:42 theMagus wrote:i blame coach park for egtl's success here  I'm never going to hear the end of this.  is there anything unreasonable about my assumption? why are you so quick to dismiss this idea? what do you make of the fact that egtl pays what i'm assuming a considerable sum of money to get him on their team? My God do I have to write a list? - Oz, aLive (the two new veterans guys) picked up wins - JD beat Aria who isn't good against zerg (0-2 in PL) and then won zvz (surprise, surprise arguably his strongest match-up in WoL) - HotS just launched - Over the last two weeks I've seen guys streaming more rather than less (actually don't care about the off-race thing because I think it's practical that you get to familiarize with the other races; however, it's very situational so it's a con and a pro) Need I say more? and coach park isn't even on your list. why is this? I gave a few of the other variables in play. *eye roll* so you're saying coach park is a factor but not the dominant one? and i don't get your last item. what does streaming have to do with the team winning today? does this have anything to do with coach park? lol Overlap duh. This one isn't so much an issue because the game just re-launched. This type of style only works for certain players hence it's a pro and a con because there were no games you saw these players streaming a shit ton more and I've always been against the notion of livestreaming a stupid amount but because the game is brand new again I let it slide because everything changes. The point is you guys really need to stop when it comes to jumping on the gun of such trivial things. Park wasn't a martyr and coach Park is no savior. A win is a win and they'll take it. so, in other words, you're saying your opinions are better than mine. you believe they are opinions, correct? and i don't need to do anything just cause you said so lolol. typical. I'm not the one jumping the gun by saying this win had everything to do with Coach Park being EG's savior you derp. I've clearly shown a more logical approach by explaining a few things you simply choose to ignore, but you know what? That's on you and not me. I'd like to take this time to address injuries like carpal tunnel syndrome considering we're seeing more and more cases of this. It's unfortunate yes, but the older players are always at high risk. That's why I encourage them to do wrist stretches every several hours to remain limber. Just another reason to recruit so young. o;
all you did was sort of give coach park credit, but at the same time you're getting riled up about responses in this thread concerning him and spend time downplaying his contribution. in other words, you're just bullshitting lol.
and you're making way too many assumptions about me. how do you know i'm 'jumping the gun'? how do you know i didn't spend time analyzing the situation carefully and just concluded things differently from you? i think coach park was majorly responsible for this win, thus he is to blame. i never said anything about other factors not playing a role as well.
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On April 08 2013 07:03 theMagus wrote:
all you did was sort of give coach park credit, but at the same time you're getting riled up about responses in this thread concerning him and spend time downplaying his contribution. in other words, you're just bullshitting lol.
and you're making way too many assumptions about me. how do you know i'm 'jumping the gun'? how do you know i didn't spend time analyzing the situation carefully and just concluded things differently from you? i think coach park was majorly responsible for this win, thus he is to blame. i never said anything about other factors not playing a role as well.
Don't worry. TLers is going to blame Coach Park for EGTL losses, Starstruck will be there. It will all balance out.
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On April 08 2013 07:31 Jindo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 07:03 theMagus wrote:
all you did was sort of give coach park credit, but at the same time you're getting riled up about responses in this thread concerning him and spend time downplaying his contribution. in other words, you're just bullshitting lol.
and you're making way too many assumptions about me. how do you know i'm 'jumping the gun'? how do you know i didn't spend time analyzing the situation carefully and just concluded things differently from you? i think coach park was majorly responsible for this win, thus he is to blame. i never said anything about other factors not playing a role as well.
Don't worry. TLers is going to blame Coach Park for EGTL loses, Starstruck will be there. It will all balance out.
rofl. i can totally see that happening.
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On April 08 2013 07:31 Jindo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 07:03 theMagus wrote:
all you did was sort of give coach park credit, but at the same time you're getting riled up about responses in this thread concerning him and spend time downplaying his contribution. in other words, you're just bullshitting lol.
and you're making way too many assumptions about me. how do you know i'm 'jumping the gun'? how do you know i didn't spend time analyzing the situation carefully and just concluded things differently from you? i think coach park was majorly responsible for this win, thus he is to blame. i never said anything about other factors not playing a role as well.
Don't worry. TLers is going to blame Coach Park for EGTL losses, Starstruck will be there. It will all balance out.
yeah man coach park's new meta 2twilight delaywarpgate build isn't that great, that guy should get himself fixed up
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Why are people giving Park so much credit? They barely won and would have been stomped as usual if not for their new acquisitions.
Hiring Coach Park didn't change the fact that Huk is easily the worst player in Proleague, or that most of their team is lackluster.
Signing Oz/Alive is waaaaaaaay more impactful than the coach. This just instills what I knew all along-- the coach was blamed way too much and that the real issue was that their players were simply not good enough.
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Team Jaedong returns lol.
I opted out after seeing EGTL lose twice in a row, but maybe I shouldn't have. Were Jaedong's games good?
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Northern Ireland25392 Posts
On April 08 2013 08:25 waylander_ wrote:
Why are people giving Park so much credit? They barely won and would have been stomped as usual if not for their new acquisitions.
Hiring Coach Park didn't change the fact that Huk is easily the worst player in Proleague, or that most of their team is lackluster.
Signing Oz/Alive is waaaaaaaay more impactful than the coach. This just instills what I knew all along-- the coach was blamed way too much and that the real issue was that their players were simply not good enough.
What players aren't good enough exactly? It wasn't that the team was bad, it was that the players were clearly playing well below potential for whatever reason. The coach took pretty much all the flak for it, which is a bit ignorant as we don't know the circumstances 100%, but the roster isn't 'bad' by any stretch of the imagination.
Ok, so it's not all that relevant now, but 4 guys who have made a Ro4 in the GSL (HerO, Taeja, Alive, Oz) shows at least some level of potential depth now, Revival is a decent wee player, Jaedong is Jaedong and is slowly getting there it seems in non vZ matchups etc etc.
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On April 08 2013 04:15 Ragnarork wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 03:39 DeathProfessor wrote:
Wish I stayed up now nice job EG:TL :D
With all due respect to Coach Park can you guys please stop it? Just staaaaap. 2 of their 4 wins were because of new players, Oz and Alive. This would be like Miami Heat getting LeBron and Bosh (or just think of it as 2 random superstars in insert sport here) and everyone saying OMG the coach saved this team COAAACH! WTF?
I am just saying... give Oz and Alive some love too?
GGWP Though aLive and Oz are good players (well, I wouldn't check their current record if I were a fan of them....), and though they put up a good performance, I think Coach Park deserves a lot about this. I remember aLive for being "lazy" when it came to practice after he won IPL4, a premier event he still isn't always remembered for... Then, I didn't see Oz anywhere in the past months... Even the wins that came from Oz and aLive sounds like they also came a lot from Coach Park's work...
You just took the credit from 2 great players that joined a week ago...
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Coach Park put the right players on the right maps. It's a step in the right direction!
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On April 08 2013 02:35 Chemist wrote:
So i still cannot watch VODs (for 4 months) because twitch just fails. Can Casters tell twitch to fix that?-.-
Have you tried different browsers (if you use google chrome, tried firefox, and vice versa)?
Besides that, you can watch the Korean VODs here (also the live stream of both English and Korean are also at youtube too but it's set to always be 720p).
On April 07 2013 19:24 rj rl wrote:
Fnatic + t8 > eg + tl?
It's really nice to see Alive and Oz doing well.
I became a fan of Alive when he dominated IPL4.
I became of Fnatic when they got the Terran Rain.
It was sad to see both Alive and Oz sort of fall off .
Overall, glad to see both former Fnatic players doing well and I'm even more glad that EG got them (even though they sort of fallen off late 2012-early 2013).
EG + TL + Fnatic + Coach Park + Jaedong ftw.
The fact that EGTL picked up both Alive and Oz (and Coach Park) definitely makes me want them to win everything now.
It's just really cool seeing fallen off players back in action.
Also props to Huk too.
It feels a bit weird now that Thorzain and Stephano left South Korea, and Huk is the lone foreigner (and the representative foreigner for Proleague) on EGTL. I'm rooting for Huk too!
On April 07 2013 19:24 Markwerf wrote:
nice ace match. Muta wars are interesting for a short while, of course still hoping they nerf it somehow so it's not always muta vs muta.
They just need to reintroduce Mutalisk micro (the ability to attack and move at the same time and move back and forth "as long" as you make sure the Mutalisk is facing the target before it attacks) back + scourges too, and all is well.
I didn't stay for the live stream but I watched the Korean VODs and it makes me happy to hear fangirls cheering for Jaedong's Mutalisk control.
I remember back when Jaedong debuted in SC2 the first time, everyone cheered when he made Mutalisk.... but the sad part is that they aren't nearly as skillful to use or amazing to show off as Mutalisks in BW (due to how they're basically really limited in control).
If BW style Mutalisk micro returned, I wouldn't mind watching Muta vs Muta. I miss Jaedong owning it up with Mutalisks.
Edit - How much did the Stream numbers peak? When I stopped watching (after Jaedong won the first game, I went to go to sleep early yesterday), stream was at about 17k. Did it reach 20k or higher?
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On April 08 2013 08:25 waylander_ wrote:
Why are people giving Park so much credit? They barely won and would have been stomped as usual if not for their new acquisitions.
Hiring Coach Park didn't change the fact that Huk is easily the worst player in Proleague, or that most of their team is lackluster.
Signing Oz/Alive is waaaaaaaay more impactful than the coach. This just instills what I knew all along-- the coach was blamed way too much and that the real issue was that their players were simply not good enough.
I dont think giving a
new coach a ton of credit after his
first game with a
new team having gone up against a
very strong opponent is a bad thing.
in fact, i dont see any problem with it whatsoever ;P
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On April 08 2013 09:04 iNviSible.yunO wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 08:25 waylander_ wrote:
Why are people giving Park so much credit? They barely won and would have been stomped as usual if not for their new acquisitions.
Hiring Coach Park didn't change the fact that Huk is easily the worst player in Proleague, or that most of their team is lackluster.
Signing Oz/Alive is waaaaaaaay more impactful than the coach. This just instills what I knew all along-- the coach was blamed way too much and that the real issue was that their players were simply not good enough. I dont think giving a new coach a ton of credit after his first game with a new team having gone up against a very strong opponent is a bad thing. in fact, i dont see any problem with it whatsoever ;P
You are forgetting a very critical thing here.
Half of the matches were won by players who joined a week.
Once again, another person that simply takes away the credit of the players...
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YA!!! EG-TL won!!!!!!!!!!1
Hero vs TY was also an AMAZING MATCH.................
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I don't care about all the "they almost lost" or the "nothing has changed" comments. All that matters is that they got the win.
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On April 08 2013 08:39 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 08:25 waylander_ wrote:
Why are people giving Park so much credit? They barely won and would have been stomped as usual if not for their new acquisitions.
Hiring Coach Park didn't change the fact that Huk is easily the worst player in Proleague, or that most of their team is lackluster.
Signing Oz/Alive is waaaaaaaay more impactful than the coach. This just instills what I knew all along-- the coach was blamed way too much and that the real issue was that their players were simply not good enough. What players aren't good enough exactly? It wasn't that the team was bad, it was that the players were clearly playing well below potential for whatever reason. The coach took pretty much all the flak for it, which is a bit ignorant as we don't know the circumstances 100%, but the roster isn't 'bad' by any stretch of the imagination. Ok, so it's not all that relevant now, but 4 guys who have made a Ro4 in the GSL (HerO, Taeja, Alive, Oz) shows at least some level of potential depth now, Revival is a decent wee player, Jaedong is Jaedong and is slowly getting there it seems in non vZ matchups etc etc.
How are Huk and Thorzain good enough?
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Great to see Oz and aLive coming out with a win each for their new team.
Hope they flourish in their new practicing environment.
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On April 08 2013 09:22 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 09:04 iNviSible.yunO wrote:On April 08 2013 08:25 waylander_ wrote:
Why are people giving Park so much credit? They barely won and would have been stomped as usual if not for their new acquisitions.
Hiring Coach Park didn't change the fact that Huk is easily the worst player in Proleague, or that most of their team is lackluster.
Signing Oz/Alive is waaaaaaaay more impactful than the coach. This just instills what I knew all along-- the coach was blamed way too much and that the real issue was that their players were simply not good enough. I dont think giving a new coach a ton of credit after his first game with a new team having gone up against a very strong opponent is a bad thing. in fact, i dont see any problem with it whatsoever ;P You are forgetting a very critical thing here. Half of the matches were won by players who joined a week. Once again, another person that simply takes away the credit of the players...
and you are discounting how even just the presence of a prestigious coach as well as the fact that your team is spending a considerable sum for the said coach affect a player's mindset. if i were playing for egtl, it would sure drive me to give my best to not let them down. that would also give me confidence that we can win the whole thing.
you may not respect coach park, but the koreans definitely do. i have no doubt he has a profound effect on them.
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On April 08 2013 09:30 BackSideAttack wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 08:39 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 08 2013 08:25 waylander_ wrote:
Why are people giving Park so much credit? They barely won and would have been stomped as usual if not for their new acquisitions.
Hiring Coach Park didn't change the fact that Huk is easily the worst player in Proleague, or that most of their team is lackluster.
Signing Oz/Alive is waaaaaaaay more impactful than the coach. This just instills what I knew all along-- the coach was blamed way too much and that the real issue was that their players were simply not good enough. What players aren't good enough exactly? It wasn't that the team was bad, it was that the players were clearly playing well below potential for whatever reason. The coach took pretty much all the flak for it, which is a bit ignorant as we don't know the circumstances 100%, but the roster isn't 'bad' by any stretch of the imagination. Ok, so it's not all that relevant now, but 4 guys who have made a Ro4 in the GSL (HerO, Taeja, Alive, Oz) shows at least some level of potential depth now, Revival is a decent wee player, Jaedong is Jaedong and is slowly getting there it seems in non vZ matchups etc etc. How are Huk and Thorzain good enough?
Huk made it through up/downs relatively recently, he still has the potential to at least not lose every game, but he'll probably not tear up Proleague. Thorzain isn't even there at present, although as far as I know he's not off the roster yet. Zenio is in the same boat as Huk, in terrible shape lately, but not an entirely lost cause and the rest of the team is full of solid enough players if they bring their A games
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On April 08 2013 09:22 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 09:04 iNviSible.yunO wrote:On April 08 2013 08:25 waylander_ wrote:
Why are people giving Park so much credit? They barely won and would have been stomped as usual if not for their new acquisitions.
Hiring Coach Park didn't change the fact that Huk is easily the worst player in Proleague, or that most of their team is lackluster.
Signing Oz/Alive is waaaaaaaay more impactful than the coach. This just instills what I knew all along-- the coach was blamed way too much and that the real issue was that their players were simply not good enough. I dont think giving a new coach a ton of credit after his first game with a new team having gone up against a very strong opponent is a bad thing. in fact, i dont see any problem with it whatsoever ;P You are forgetting a very critical thing here. Half of the matches were won by players who joined a week. Once again, another person that simply takes away the credit of the players...
This is seriously bullshit. Giving a coach credit for good coaching is not taking away from the players what so ever. Imagine giving out a coach of the year award and some jackass coming in "but thats taking credit away from the players!" No it is not. Promoting a winners mind set is a coaches job, as is making sure they are put in the right maps against the right opponents with the right builds and providing them player specific information to make those builds. The only thing Coach park could not have done in a week is significantly effect the skill level of the player. They players did great and so too did the coach so stop this crap about taking away from the players.
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