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opterown
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It's a TEAM league. When a TEAM wins, both the coach and players should be credited. When a TEAM lose, both the coach and the players should be blamed.
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It's easy not to give credit to the coach because he's not the one in the booth. But the coach is the one motivating the players, picking matchups, often making strategies, and in general doing everything possible to make sure the player has to do nothing but go in and play their best game.
Good players do badly with a bad coach, so it's not just bought players at work here.
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Lol I don't get what's so difficult to grasp here. The coach AND the players both deserve credit, I can't fathom why anyone would claim that solely one or the other is responsible for the win.
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On April 08 2013 10:15 Maghetti wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 09:22 Assirra wrote:On April 08 2013 09:04 iNviSible.yunO wrote:On April 08 2013 08:25 waylander_ wrote:
Why are people giving Park so much credit? They barely won and would have been stomped as usual if not for their new acquisitions.
Hiring Coach Park didn't change the fact that Huk is easily the worst player in Proleague, or that most of their team is lackluster.
Signing Oz/Alive is waaaaaaaay more impactful than the coach. This just instills what I knew all along-- the coach was blamed way too much and that the real issue was that their players were simply not good enough. I dont think giving a new coach a ton of credit after his first game with a new team having gone up against a very strong opponent is a bad thing. in fact, i dont see any problem with it whatsoever ;P You are forgetting a very critical thing here. Half of the matches were won by players who joined a week. Once again, another person that simply takes away the credit of the players... This is seriously bullshit. Giving a coach credit for good coaching is not taking away from the players what so ever. Imagine giving out a coach of the year award and some jackass coming in "but thats taking credit away from the players!" No it is not. Promoting a winners mind set is a coaches job, as is making sure they are put in the right maps against the right opponents with the right builds and providing them player specific information to make those builds. The only thing Coach park could not have done in a week is significantly effect the skill level of the player. They players did great and so too did the coach so stop this crap about taking away from the players.
Forreal, I don't see the reason for all the bickering here....unless we're here just to bicker  ...I mean, we're TL I guess.
On April 08 2013 11:08 HolyArrow wrote:
Lol I don't get what's so difficult to grasp here. The coach AND the players both deserve credit, I can't fathom why anyone would claim that solely one or the other is responsible for the win.
^that.
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On April 08 2013 10:15 Maghetti wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 09:22 Assirra wrote:On April 08 2013 09:04 iNviSible.yunO wrote:On April 08 2013 08:25 waylander_ wrote:
Why are people giving Park so much credit? They barely won and would have been stomped as usual if not for their new acquisitions.
Hiring Coach Park didn't change the fact that Huk is easily the worst player in Proleague, or that most of their team is lackluster.
Signing Oz/Alive is waaaaaaaay more impactful than the coach. This just instills what I knew all along-- the coach was blamed way too much and that the real issue was that their players were simply not good enough. I dont think giving a new coach a ton of credit after his first game with a new team having gone up against a very strong opponent is a bad thing. in fact, i dont see any problem with it whatsoever ;P You are forgetting a very critical thing here. Half of the matches were won by players who joined a week. Once again, another person that simply takes away the credit of the players... This is seriously bullshit. Giving a coach credit for good coaching is not taking away from the players what so ever. Imagine giving out a coach of the year award and some jackass coming in "but thats taking credit away from the players!" No it is not. Promoting a winners mind set is a coaches job, as is making sure they are put in the right maps against the right opponents with the right builds and providing them player specific information to make those builds. The only thing Coach park could not have done in a week is significantly effect the skill level of the player. They players did great and so too did the coach so stop this crap about taking away from the players.
Look at the post i quoted. Never any mention about the players. A couple posts in this thread as well acting like Alive and Oz were bad and just magically became monsters thanks to the coach is less then week.
I am not saying that the coach doesn't deserve credit but more people praising him then the actual players.
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On April 08 2013 11:21 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 10:15 Maghetti wrote:On April 08 2013 09:22 Assirra wrote:On April 08 2013 09:04 iNviSible.yunO wrote:On April 08 2013 08:25 waylander_ wrote:
Why are people giving Park so much credit? They barely won and would have been stomped as usual if not for their new acquisitions.
Hiring Coach Park didn't change the fact that Huk is easily the worst player in Proleague, or that most of their team is lackluster.
Signing Oz/Alive is waaaaaaaay more impactful than the coach. This just instills what I knew all along-- the coach was blamed way too much and that the real issue was that their players were simply not good enough. I dont think giving a new coach a ton of credit after his first game with a new team having gone up against a very strong opponent is a bad thing. in fact, i dont see any problem with it whatsoever ;P You are forgetting a very critical thing here. Half of the matches were won by players who joined a week. Once again, another person that simply takes away the credit of the players... This is seriously bullshit. Giving a coach credit for good coaching is not taking away from the players what so ever. Imagine giving out a coach of the year award and some jackass coming in "but thats taking credit away from the players!" No it is not. Promoting a winners mind set is a coaches job, as is making sure they are put in the right maps against the right opponents with the right builds and providing them player specific information to make those builds. The only thing Coach park could not have done in a week is significantly effect the skill level of the player. They players did great and so too did the coach so stop this crap about taking away from the players. Look at the post i quoted. Never any mention about the players. A couple posts in this thread as well acting like Alive and Oz were bad and just magically became monsters thanks to the coach is less then week. I am not saying that the coach doesn't deserve credit but more people praising him then the actual players.
Because the discussion is about the god damn coaching quality. You do not need to make mention of the player and the coaching together in every post. There was nothing wrong with the post you responded too.
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On April 08 2013 11:21 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 10:15 Maghetti wrote:On April 08 2013 09:22 Assirra wrote:On April 08 2013 09:04 iNviSible.yunO wrote:On April 08 2013 08:25 waylander_ wrote:
Why are people giving Park so much credit? They barely won and would have been stomped as usual if not for their new acquisitions.
Hiring Coach Park didn't change the fact that Huk is easily the worst player in Proleague, or that most of their team is lackluster.
Signing Oz/Alive is waaaaaaaay more impactful than the coach. This just instills what I knew all along-- the coach was blamed way too much and that the real issue was that their players were simply not good enough. I dont think giving a new coach a ton of credit after his first game with a new team having gone up against a very strong opponent is a bad thing. in fact, i dont see any problem with it whatsoever ;P You are forgetting a very critical thing here. Half of the matches were won by players who joined a week. Once again, another person that simply takes away the credit of the players... This is seriously bullshit. Giving a coach credit for good coaching is not taking away from the players what so ever. Imagine giving out a coach of the year award and some jackass coming in "but thats taking credit away from the players!" No it is not. Promoting a winners mind set is a coaches job, as is making sure they are put in the right maps against the right opponents with the right builds and providing them player specific information to make those builds. The only thing Coach park could not have done in a week is significantly effect the skill level of the player. They players did great and so too did the coach so stop this crap about taking away from the players. Look at the post i quoted. Never any mention about the players. A couple posts in this thread as well acting like Alive and Oz were bad and just magically became monsters thanks to the coach is less then week. I am not saying that the coach doesn't deserve credit but more people praising him then the actual players.
you shouldn't blame them.
EGTL had taeja, hero, jyp, revival, JD and stephano and how did the team perform?
not taking it all away from alive and Oz but certainly the teamleague is more than just the players.
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On April 08 2013 11:32 Maghetti wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 11:21 Assirra wrote:On April 08 2013 10:15 Maghetti wrote:On April 08 2013 09:22 Assirra wrote:On April 08 2013 09:04 iNviSible.yunO wrote:On April 08 2013 08:25 waylander_ wrote:
Why are people giving Park so much credit? They barely won and would have been stomped as usual if not for their new acquisitions.
Hiring Coach Park didn't change the fact that Huk is easily the worst player in Proleague, or that most of their team is lackluster.
Signing Oz/Alive is waaaaaaaay more impactful than the coach. This just instills what I knew all along-- the coach was blamed way too much and that the real issue was that their players were simply not good enough. I dont think giving a new coach a ton of credit after his first game with a new team having gone up against a very strong opponent is a bad thing. in fact, i dont see any problem with it whatsoever ;P You are forgetting a very critical thing here. Half of the matches were won by players who joined a week. Once again, another person that simply takes away the credit of the players... This is seriously bullshit. Giving a coach credit for good coaching is not taking away from the players what so ever. Imagine giving out a coach of the year award and some jackass coming in "but thats taking credit away from the players!" No it is not. Promoting a winners mind set is a coaches job, as is making sure they are put in the right maps against the right opponents with the right builds and providing them player specific information to make those builds. The only thing Coach park could not have done in a week is significantly effect the skill level of the player. They players did great and so too did the coach so stop this crap about taking away from the players. Look at the post i quoted. Never any mention about the players. A couple posts in this thread as well acting like Alive and Oz were bad and just magically became monsters thanks to the coach is less then week. I am not saying that the coach doesn't deserve credit but more people praising him then the actual players. Because the discussion is about the god damn coaching quality. You do not need to make mention of the player and the coaching together in every post. There was nothing wrong with the post you responded too.
Absolutely agree, man! The post he responded to was actually pretty damn awesome. It even used a new line for every single punchline.
No seriously, giving a ton of credit to the coach is fine. He deserves it. And no - I dont post every single one of my thoughts;) And I dont have to. But since it seems to be very important to you, here is what i WAS thinking:
All in all I awarded 6,5 tons of credit to EGTL. And one of those goes to coach park. For making the players stream with their offrace for example and for organizing their practise schedule and for many more things.
Who are you to tell me how I am to give out my tons of credit!
Shame on you!
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Without Taeja, and Hero losing his match, Team Liquid doenst look a strong partner now. I have the feeling EG is going solo next season.
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On April 08 2013 12:23 insanet wrote:
Without Taeja, and Hero losing his match, Team Liquid doenst look a strong partner now. I have the feeling EG is going solo next season.
I thought so too. Is there any word on liquid investing in more proleague players?
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opterown
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박용운 @HeadCoachPark 24s
Nothing great in the world has been accomplished without passion. We need more your passion.
Feed him your passion, guys
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On April 08 2013 12:57 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +박용운 @HeadCoachPark 24s
Nothing great in the world has been accomplished without passion. We need more your passion. Feed him your passion, guys
You make it sound so dirty.
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On April 08 2013 12:57 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +박용운 @HeadCoachPark 24s
Nothing great in the world has been accomplished without passion. We need more your passion. Feed him your passion, guys
oh coach park, take me!
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On April 08 2013 12:33 Snoodles wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 12:23 insanet wrote:
Without Taeja, and Hero losing his match, Team Liquid doenst look a strong partner now. I have the feeling EG is going solo next season. I thought so too. Is there any word on liquid investing in more proleague players?
it has been team taeja pretty much to begin with
see atc
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Hero will be back on top, give him a little time.
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opterown
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On April 08 2013 12:57 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +박용운 @HeadCoachPark 24s
Nothing great in the world has been accomplished without passion. We need more your passion. Feed him your passion, guys
This is HotS and he has Jaedong on the team, shouldn't he be asking for our essense?
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Where dat snitch at?37055 Posts
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On April 08 2013 11:57 ETisME wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 11:21 Assirra wrote:On April 08 2013 10:15 Maghetti wrote:On April 08 2013 09:22 Assirra wrote:On April 08 2013 09:04 iNviSible.yunO wrote:On April 08 2013 08:25 waylander_ wrote:
Why are people giving Park so much credit? They barely won and would have been stomped as usual if not for their new acquisitions.
Hiring Coach Park didn't change the fact that Huk is easily the worst player in Proleague, or that most of their team is lackluster.
Signing Oz/Alive is waaaaaaaay more impactful than the coach. This just instills what I knew all along-- the coach was blamed way too much and that the real issue was that their players were simply not good enough. I dont think giving a new coach a ton of credit after his first game with a new team having gone up against a very strong opponent is a bad thing. in fact, i dont see any problem with it whatsoever ;P You are forgetting a very critical thing here. Half of the matches were won by players who joined a week. Once again, another person that simply takes away the credit of the players... This is seriously bullshit. Giving a coach credit for good coaching is not taking away from the players what so ever. Imagine giving out a coach of the year award and some jackass coming in "but thats taking credit away from the players!" No it is not. Promoting a winners mind set is a coaches job, as is making sure they are put in the right maps against the right opponents with the right builds and providing them player specific information to make those builds. The only thing Coach park could not have done in a week is significantly effect the skill level of the player. They players did great and so too did the coach so stop this crap about taking away from the players. Look at the post i quoted. Never any mention about the players. A couple posts in this thread as well acting like Alive and Oz were bad and just magically became monsters thanks to the coach is less then week. I am not saying that the coach doesn't deserve credit but more people praising him then the actual players. you shouldn't blame them. EGTL had taeja, hero, jyp, revival, JD and stephano and how did the team perform? not taking it all away from alive and Oz but certainly the teamleague is more than just the players.
Exactly, consider the JD interview:
Seems like things have changed for you with the addition of supervisor Park Yong Woon.
Well, I did just grab two victories today since the acquisition of supervisor Park (laughs). He helped me out so much in getting rid of all my negative thoughts and reforming my lazy habits. I feel like my mentality has gotten stronger because of supervisor Park. He even fixed the way I approach all my games and practices. I want to take this opportunity to thank him
It sure seems like even with a beast like JD, coaching is really important for him to get the best results. In reality, I think coaches don't get nearly enough credit, but just look at all of the things that he could help fix from JD. A good coach really knows how to get the best out of his players.
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