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The usual: Don't flame casters or players. Don't discuss balance in this or any LR thread. Don't call your fellow posters idiots. Be excited, happy and entertained.
Kaw
Profile Joined February 2011
United States74 Posts
March 17 2013 18:00 GMT
#1921
On March 18 2013 02:56 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 02:54 suicideyear wrote:
Poll: What was the most super imba part of Flash/Parting?

Flash (91)
 
64%

Medivacs (47)
 
33%

Proxy Stargates (3)
 
2%

Widow Mines (1)
 
1%

Reapers (1)
 
1%

143 total votes

Your vote: What was the most super imba part of Flash/Parting?

(Vote): Medivacs
(Vote): Widow Mines
(Vote): Reapers
(Vote): Proxy Stargates
(Vote): Flash



If it was a ZvT I really could understand the "super imba" complaint, but in TvP I really don't get what's changed so much in favor of T.


The fact that protoss can do very little but cower on two base once stim finishes.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16109 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-17 18:00:28
March 17 2013 18:00 GMT
#1922
On March 18 2013 02:58 Skawuscha wrote:
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On March 18 2013 02:56 pedrlz wrote:
On March 18 2013 02:52 Cel.erity wrote:
On March 18 2013 02:51 SarcasmMonster wrote:
On March 18 2013 02:50 Shikyo wrote:
Looking forward to the impending TvTvTvT.


It's been sooooo long.


Bomber isn't beating MC in a million years.

Bomber confirmed patchterran

I think MC doesn't have a chance, Bomber is really better IMO.


Never ever count MC out


You just can't do it.

MC is just about the craftiest, scrappiest player out there.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Mellon
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden917 Posts
March 17 2013 18:00 GMT
#1923
On March 18 2013 02:59 Shikyo wrote:
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On March 18 2013 02:57 Cel.erity wrote:
On March 18 2013 02:53 Zealously wrote:
On March 18 2013 02:52 Cel.erity wrote:
On March 18 2013 02:51 SarcasmMonster wrote:
On March 18 2013 02:50 Shikyo wrote:
Looking forward to the impending TvTvTvT.


It's been sooooo long.


Bomber isn't beating MC in a million years.


Not in a million years, no - I'll give it about an hour.


MC and Innovation are both playing on a completely different level from everyone else, I don't really see how it won't be them in the finals.

One out of MC and Innovation is out of place in that sentence - Guess which.


I know i know!
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
March 17 2013 18:00 GMT
#1924
On March 18 2013 02:58 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
so 5 kespa players in top8... they are taking over


Cause Flash, PartinG and Last had such hard brackets, did they?
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sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5523 Posts
March 17 2013 18:00 GMT
#1925
This reaper stuff is kinda neat, but it'd be nice if it didn't happen every single tvz yawwwwwwwwwwwwwn
Like Tinkerbelle, I leave behind a sparkly residue.
NightOfTheDead
Profile Joined August 2009
Lithuania1711 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-17 18:01:09
March 17 2013 18:00 GMT
#1926
I dont care about the widow mine effectiveness, but it is seriously hampering the flow of the game. Opponents are uber cautious when harrasing, dont harras much, cant engage asap, walk around in circles and must constantly have detection. It isnt that exciting for spectators however you look at it..
Destroyr
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany299 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-17 18:00:52
March 17 2013 18:00 GMT
#1927
On March 18 2013 02:46 Qikz wrote:
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On March 18 2013 02:45 BBV wrote:
parting is right, fk this


He got outplayed. Had no defense in his main for drops and fedbacked three medivacs he should have stormed at the end.

Flash outcontrolled him, out manouvered and outkited. Parting needs to change his play. MC went phoenix's and shut down drops totally yesterday.

I'm a parting and Flash fan, but even I can see Parting didn't play that well enough.


Thanks man! So many ppl complaining about Terrans at MLG ... on the other hand all the weekend the most wins from korean terrans were against foreigners o0.

I hope this doesn't get nerfed right away because the new Meta is so much more fun than this turtle stuff from WOL!
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
March 17 2013 18:00 GMT
#1928
I cannot count the number of proxy reaper builds in this tournament.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
March 17 2013 18:00 GMT
#1929
On March 18 2013 02:58 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
so 5 kespa players in top8... they are taking over

Does Parting really qualify as a kespa player though?
bankobauss
Profile Joined December 2012
204 Posts
March 17 2013 18:00 GMT
#1930
On March 18 2013 02:56 disciple wrote:
I really like the widow mines and the idea behind but maybe they have little too much hp and are easy to position well tactically even if the opposing player sees the mine and pokes it with a stalker a couple of times before it burrows

My idea to balance mines would give them a splash cap


Make mines have a splash cap of 3 enemy units max
and a splash cap of 3 friendly units max


So the mines would still be pretty good but would only hit 4 enemy units max, zerg would only lose max 4 zerglings to a single mine. But they would be much stronger against mutas and roaches (but weakest against zerglings)
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
March 17 2013 18:00 GMT
#1931
Oi vey. Another proxy reaper build zzzzzz
Long live the King of Wings
Zorgaz
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2951 Posts
March 17 2013 18:00 GMT
#1932
On March 18 2013 02:57 Nebuchad wrote:
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On March 18 2013 02:55 Salteador Neo wrote:
On March 18 2013 02:51 4ZakeN87 wrote:
On March 18 2013 02:50 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On March 18 2013 02:48 covetousrat wrote:
Will we see a terran nerf?


How about players are given the time needed to adapt and come up with their own strategies instead of Blizzard fixing what internet noobs perceive to be imbalance?


Seems like everyone not terran is an internet noob, including parting.


He has a point tho. This championship results sould not be taken too seriously as the game is new and the balance state is in the working status.

On the other hand Rain and Parting are PvT beasts and speedvacs will most likely get changed anyway lol, so no need to compain for now.


I honestly don't ever care whether terran is imba or not, I just can't stand the terran audience in these threads it's unbearable I think I would get physical if we were in the same room


Yeah what horrible people we are thinking that Flash and Bogus deserves their wins
Furthermore, I think the Collosi should be removed! (Zorgaz -Terran/AbrA-Random/Zorg-Dota2) Guineapigs <3
ViperPL
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland1775 Posts
March 17 2013 18:00 GMT
#1933
On March 18 2013 02:57 BigFan wrote:
wait, what? Both Parting and Rain lost? How? Oo;


They don't play terran.

User was temp banned for this post.
A dota player and lol player walk into a bar. The dota player says: "lol sucks". Lol player couldn't deny. http://i.imgur.com/FpLeTf1.gif
padfoota
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Taiwan1571 Posts
March 17 2013 18:00 GMT
#1934
INB4 MC/Life wins the championship fruitdealer-esque style amidst everyone whining about terran
Stop procrastinating
Teton
Profile Joined May 2010
France1656 Posts
March 17 2013 18:01 GMT
#1935
On March 18 2013 02:58 4ZakeN87 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 02:52 Daralii wrote:
On March 18 2013 02:50 Lokken_8 wrote:
I am gonna laugh so much when top 4 are four terrans like years ago :D Way to balance new expansion Blizzard!

Way to play poorly, opponents.

No afterburners and a drop of 3 medivacs would've still instagibbed the colossus and taken the nexus. PartinG fucked that up and he fucked it up HARD.


Only now there is no risk for terran, cause they know that protoss have shorter time to react and they can get out whenever they want. So... yeah it does matter.

Like how many games do you see terran do a doom drop and he suffers major losses from it? You dont. How many games do you see a doom drop do damage on a scale that it is unrecoverable for protoss? Well that is about 50% of the terran matches now.

Not to mention that the medivac makes it very hard to defend three bases which results in that almost 100% of all games does terran have their third well ahead of protoss. So even if you defend you are behind in macro.


it's not like you cant recall your army.

oh wait
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
March 17 2013 18:01 GMT
#1936
"Dodge this"

nice matrix reference
openbox1
Profile Joined March 2011
1393 Posts
March 17 2013 18:01 GMT
#1937
On March 18 2013 02:57 ranshaked wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 02:53 openbox1 wrote:
On March 18 2013 02:49 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
What people aren't realizing is that the Medivac speed boost has allowed Terran to do DOOM DROPS of 3 or more drops without risk and escape safely.

In WoL, doing doom drops was rare.


man's got a point.
The more important thing is getting units in and out quickly. Normal medivacs get crushed more often than not. But Parting really didn't have a right to call the games imba since he was way dead before the medivac drops came into play.

bunch of terran bio outside his base when he was at a critical transitional period = dead

I agree. I've noticed a lot more terrans taking 3-4 medivacs and bum-rushing the bases, then quickly evacuating back to their main army...Even if protoss/zerg attacks the main army during the drop, terran has two options now...Continue to attack and go for a base trade, OR quickly boost back and flank the enemy :/


also helps with the boost that you don't lose all your medivacs when retreating from a protoss ball with stalkers. That's a huge reason Terran is retaining so many medivacs after losing or retreating from a major engagement. Bio with medivacs = godly. Bio with no medivac support = stimmed out corpses.

Replacing bio with 15 raxes with assorted tech labs / reactors is easy. Churning out 100min/100gas medivacs 2 at a time from one or two star ports is costly and eats into viking counts.
DemigodcelpH
Profile Joined August 2011
1138 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-17 18:02:41
March 17 2013 18:01 GMT
#1938
On March 18 2013 02:58 Kevan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 02:57 Zealously wrote:
On March 18 2013 02:56 Al Bundy wrote:
On March 18 2013 02:54 suicideyear wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: What was the most super imba part of Flash/Parting?

Flash (91)
 
64%

Medivacs (47)
 
33%

Proxy Stargates (3)
 
2%

Widow Mines (1)
 
1%

Reapers (1)
 
1%

143 total votes

Your vote: What was the most super imba part of Flash/Parting?

(Vote): Medivacs
(Vote): Widow Mines
(Vote): Reapers
(Vote): Proxy Stargates
(Vote): Flash



I don't believe there is an imbalance in favor of Terran. It's just that the best players happen to play this particular race.


Where have I read this before...

Towards the end of WoL when all the best players played zerg.


Actually that's not true. During the BL/Infestor period the imbalance was widely accepted, and these players weren't really considered the best; this is why you had the birth of the term "patchzerg" that was even used by Zerg players when you had finals with no-name foreign Zergs vs MVP (mid 2012 I believe).

On the other-hand, even during periods where Terran is doing good, the community still tends to recognize the skill as a whole because it's also generally accepted that Terran is the skill-race because of it's steep micro requirements. In conclusion we as the community aren't as transparent as you're portraying to just shift opinion like that.
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
March 17 2013 18:01 GMT
#1939
I hate it when Day[9] does the "uhkwhaabwraaooooh" grunts.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
Teton
Profile Joined May 2010
France1656 Posts
March 17 2013 18:01 GMT
#1940
On March 18 2013 02:58 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 02:57 Zealously wrote:
On March 18 2013 02:56 Al Bundy wrote:
On March 18 2013 02:54 suicideyear wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: What was the most super imba part of Flash/Parting?

Flash (91)
 
64%

Medivacs (47)
 
33%

Proxy Stargates (3)
 
2%

Widow Mines (1)
 
1%

Reapers (1)
 
1%

143 total votes

Your vote: What was the most super imba part of Flash/Parting?

(Vote): Medivacs
(Vote): Widow Mines
(Vote): Reapers
(Vote): Proxy Stargates
(Vote): Flash



I don't believe there is an imbalance in favor of Terran. It's just that the best players happen to play this particular race.


Where have I read this before...


BW Terrans have arrived bro. Other pros should get on their level or get dunked. ;x


the elephant is here
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