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The usual: Don't flame casters or players. Don't discuss balance in this or any LR thread. Don't call your fellow posters idiots. Be excited, happy and entertained. |
Is it starting 2 hours from now?
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On March 17 2013 23:03 Vertical wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 22:34 Inzan1ty wrote:On March 17 2013 22:25 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:On March 17 2013 22:21 Inzan1ty wrote:On March 17 2013 22:14 LighT. wrote:On March 17 2013 22:10 edgeOut wrote:On March 17 2013 21:48 Visas wrote:
pff all koreans again. This game can only revive to its old glory when they start inviting much less koreans for mlg imo. At least foreigners can take one or two maps from Korean, that's better than BW days. I remember taking one map off a korean was considered a huge feat Foreigners have come a long way  thats why some people are waiting for Warcraft 4 foreigners stand a better chance Koreans and chineses were shitting on foreigners in wc3, I don't think the trend will change in wc4 well first of all the scene was smaller compared to sc2, yet it was more exciting to see Deadman vs GoStop or Sweet vs Grubby imo than any foreigner in sc2 against the untouchable tier of players we got now. really hope TL will feature this universe though, coming from wc3 iam one of those who would jump ship immediately once time arrives ^^ anyways lets not get too offtopic  insomnia's invisible MK fan here
Grubby vs Zacard WCG Finals 2004, Creolophus vs Sky WCG Finals 2007
Good memories for foreigners.
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On March 17 2013 23:11 KillAudio wrote:
Is it starting 2 hours from now?
According to calendar yes.
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On March 17 2013 23:05 Grovbolle wrote:
People booing a player like Flash is just disrespectful and childish.
If Flash refused to shake Ret's hand or something disrespectful, then sure boo all you want. But when he shows up, plays a great TvZ and wins, STFU and sit down.
That's only another reason to boo. There are many reasons a crowd might start booing. I go to many sporting events myself and I could give you all sorts of examples of people booing for different reasons. Here are a few, Toronto Maple Leafs played against The Winnipeg Jets last night at the ACC (in other words, Toronto was at home) and once they announced the Winnipeg Jets line-up everyone booed certain players. Winnipeg Jets come out on the ice people boo. Leafs come out on the ice people cheer. Toronto loses in a shootout everyone boos. I think you get the idea.
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On March 17 2013 23:01 Giriath wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 22:53 Zealously wrote:
Are people seriously counting Life out? >.> I think he is exhausted from yesterday.
You don't get exhausted from being awake for ~15-20hrs... its not like he ran a marathon yesterday. 
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On March 17 2013 23:07 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 23:00 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 17 2013 22:58 StarStruck wrote:On March 17 2013 22:43 GunSec wrote:
damn @ all of the people who whine about foreigners losing all the time, if you lose against the best then its obvious you have some leaks in your game and is probably bad at something! I realised recently that I have a huge amount of leaks in online poker without me realising it and I really sucked at the game and caused me to lose a lot of money. There is a reason you see the top players final table constantly and winning in almost every session. Foreginer vs Koreans is like "luck" in poker since many people whine about those stuff equally. Indeed. The best practice is in fact playing players who are much better than you. You want to improve, study those replays immensely. There is no better practice than playing these guys and that's the way you ought to view it. You hope and crave those chances in the bracket. On March 17 2013 22:52 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 17 2013 22:43 Bermuda wrote:On March 17 2013 21:55 gamerdude12345 wrote:
Also, I heard that there was booing in the crowd last night. Did they ever get kicked out or did they just stop? Seems super BM to actually boo a player. Here is what happened : There was a significant delay before Flash vs Ret (like really long). So they had various breaks etc. During the downtime, Anna had Suppy for an interview on the stage as he was defeated in the previous round by Ret. He said that he had the utmost respect for Flash, obviously, but that he was cheering for Ret. Because he really liked Ret and felt like he was doing really well recently and could use the support going against Flash. He also encouraged the crowd to root and cheer for Ret who was the last (or one of the last can't remember) foreigner and clearly the underdog. It was actually really nice and respectful from him considering he was just defeated by Ret. But the crowd took it to another level... During the first match, they started cheering for Ret eveytime he did anything, and I mean anything. Creep tumor ? Cheers. Zergling going across the map ? Cheer. Killing a unit ? Crazy, mad cheers. The problem is : they also started booing everytime Flash did anything. And they went mad when he used his medivacs. It felt pretty agressive and out of place. There was several reasons : the huge downtime before the game, Suppy telling them to root for Ret, the medivac's hate... but in the end, it felt really xenophobic and out of place (booing Flash of all people ?). Ret and Flash, on the other hand played really standard, macro game. I don't know if this is my imagination but it felt really respectful : Ret going early hatch, Flash scouting that and going early CC every game, if I remember correctly. Flash outclassed Ret with a solid, nearly perfect macro style. And Ret seems really solid too (imo) despite going 3-0. I really liked the game, and would recommend them if you like no-gimmick, no bullshit, straight up macro games. When second game started, the crowd tried to boo Flash like in game 1 but Day9 told them something along the lines : Don't boo Flash, guys, he's awesome. And it kinda stopped. Afterward, it felt really weird and people tried to rationnalize it by saying that the crowd booed the medivac... but, to me at least, it felt really insulting and out of place. And more than anything, ignorant of who Flash is. Now go watch the games, and make your own opinion :p Boo'ing players. This crowd seriously deserves the shit. Should be banned from the venue. IEM in Germany was always amazing. Cheering for foreigners/players from Germany especially but they never boo'd any Korean. They always gave them respectful applause/cheers when they won. What a terrible audience. Booing is part of the game. I'm surprised we don't see more people booing. In either case I wish more Koreans would play off it but I don't think they know how because they are really not used to it. Look at what Greg did with his bad boy image. Imagine a Korean doing it. Yeah, instant gratification. Booing is NOT part of the game and its not okay. What the fuck is wrong with you? Even in soccer or any other sports, booing is a sign of bad sportsmanship or bad fuckups of a single player. Thats when he gets a boo, not because he has done nothing. Flash played his games and its nothing short of disrespectful. Really you have to be stupid to find it acceptable to not just cheer but also boo/downtalk/shout towards the opponent. Considering you and I have been around these parts long enough to know what goes down. It's never been apart of our gaming scene but look everywhere else and it's perfectly acceptable/normal behavior. That is what I was getting at. People do boo at soccer games in North America as well btw especially if you are a Toronto FC fan lmao. It is far from stupid behavior. It's a release of anxiety and fairly normal everywhere else. Like I said, if I were Flash I would feed off the new behavior he's not used to and play with it.
I feel like your "everywhere else" excludes the entirety of Asia and large parts of Europe, and a wide variety of sports in which you almost certainly would get kicked out for booing.
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On March 17 2013 23:11 Grovbolle wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 23:07 StarStruck wrote:On March 17 2013 23:00 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 17 2013 22:58 StarStruck wrote:On March 17 2013 22:43 GunSec wrote:
damn @ all of the people who whine about foreigners losing all the time, if you lose against the best then its obvious you have some leaks in your game and is probably bad at something! I realised recently that I have a huge amount of leaks in online poker without me realising it and I really sucked at the game and caused me to lose a lot of money. There is a reason you see the top players final table constantly and winning in almost every session. Foreginer vs Koreans is like "luck" in poker since many people whine about those stuff equally. Indeed. The best practice is in fact playing players who are much better than you. You want to improve, study those replays immensely. There is no better practice than playing these guys and that's the way you ought to view it. You hope and crave those chances in the bracket. On March 17 2013 22:52 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 17 2013 22:43 Bermuda wrote:On March 17 2013 21:55 gamerdude12345 wrote:
Also, I heard that there was booing in the crowd last night. Did they ever get kicked out or did they just stop? Seems super BM to actually boo a player. Here is what happened : There was a significant delay before Flash vs Ret (like really long). So they had various breaks etc. During the downtime, Anna had Suppy for an interview on the stage as he was defeated in the previous round by Ret. He said that he had the utmost respect for Flash, obviously, but that he was cheering for Ret. Because he really liked Ret and felt like he was doing really well recently and could use the support going against Flash. He also encouraged the crowd to root and cheer for Ret who was the last (or one of the last can't remember) foreigner and clearly the underdog. It was actually really nice and respectful from him considering he was just defeated by Ret. But the crowd took it to another level... During the first match, they started cheering for Ret eveytime he did anything, and I mean anything. Creep tumor ? Cheers. Zergling going across the map ? Cheer. Killing a unit ? Crazy, mad cheers. The problem is : they also started booing everytime Flash did anything. And they went mad when he used his medivacs. It felt pretty agressive and out of place. There was several reasons : the huge downtime before the game, Suppy telling them to root for Ret, the medivac's hate... but in the end, it felt really xenophobic and out of place (booing Flash of all people ?). Ret and Flash, on the other hand played really standard, macro game. I don't know if this is my imagination but it felt really respectful : Ret going early hatch, Flash scouting that and going early CC every game, if I remember correctly. Flash outclassed Ret with a solid, nearly perfect macro style. And Ret seems really solid too (imo) despite going 3-0. I really liked the game, and would recommend them if you like no-gimmick, no bullshit, straight up macro games. When second game started, the crowd tried to boo Flash like in game 1 but Day9 told them something along the lines : Don't boo Flash, guys, he's awesome. And it kinda stopped. Afterward, it felt really weird and people tried to rationnalize it by saying that the crowd booed the medivac... but, to me at least, it felt really insulting and out of place. And more than anything, ignorant of who Flash is. Now go watch the games, and make your own opinion :p Boo'ing players. This crowd seriously deserves the shit. Should be banned from the venue. IEM in Germany was always amazing. Cheering for foreigners/players from Germany especially but they never boo'd any Korean. They always gave them respectful applause/cheers when they won. What a terrible audience. Booing is part of the game. I'm surprised we don't see more people booing. In either case I wish more Koreans would play off it but I don't think they know how because they are really not used to it. Look at what Greg did with his bad boy image. Imagine a Korean doing it. Yeah, instant gratification. Booing is NOT part of the game and its not okay. What the fuck is wrong with you? Even in soccer or any other sports, booing is a sign of bad sportsmanship or bad fuckups of a single player. Thats when he gets a boo, not because he has done nothing. Flash played his games and its nothing short of disrespectful. Really you have to be stupid to find it acceptable to not just cheer but also boo/downtalk/shout towards the opponent. Considering you and I have been around these parts long enough to know what goes down. It's never been apart of our gaming scene but look everywhere else and it's perfectly acceptable/normal behavior. That is what I was getting at. People do boo at soccer games in North America as well btw especially if you are a Toronto FC fan lmao. It is far from stupid behavior. It's a release of anxiety and fairly normal everywhere else. Like I said, if I were Flash I would feed off the new behavior he's not used to and play with it. It's still a show of poor sportsmanship, and it doesn't belong in this gaming scene at all. Just look at the reddit threads and how most people think the guys who did it are stupid.
I never said I agreed with it. I said I understood it. If they want to let out their social anxiety that way let it be on them and not you. I think that's the best way I can put it.
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On March 17 2013 23:14 Giriath wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 23:07 StarStruck wrote:On March 17 2013 23:00 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 17 2013 22:58 StarStruck wrote:On March 17 2013 22:43 GunSec wrote:
damn @ all of the people who whine about foreigners losing all the time, if you lose against the best then its obvious you have some leaks in your game and is probably bad at something! I realised recently that I have a huge amount of leaks in online poker without me realising it and I really sucked at the game and caused me to lose a lot of money. There is a reason you see the top players final table constantly and winning in almost every session. Foreginer vs Koreans is like "luck" in poker since many people whine about those stuff equally. Indeed. The best practice is in fact playing players who are much better than you. You want to improve, study those replays immensely. There is no better practice than playing these guys and that's the way you ought to view it. You hope and crave those chances in the bracket. On March 17 2013 22:52 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 17 2013 22:43 Bermuda wrote:On March 17 2013 21:55 gamerdude12345 wrote:
Also, I heard that there was booing in the crowd last night. Did they ever get kicked out or did they just stop? Seems super BM to actually boo a player. Here is what happened : There was a significant delay before Flash vs Ret (like really long). So they had various breaks etc. During the downtime, Anna had Suppy for an interview on the stage as he was defeated in the previous round by Ret. He said that he had the utmost respect for Flash, obviously, but that he was cheering for Ret. Because he really liked Ret and felt like he was doing really well recently and could use the support going against Flash. He also encouraged the crowd to root and cheer for Ret who was the last (or one of the last can't remember) foreigner and clearly the underdog. It was actually really nice and respectful from him considering he was just defeated by Ret. But the crowd took it to another level... During the first match, they started cheering for Ret eveytime he did anything, and I mean anything. Creep tumor ? Cheers. Zergling going across the map ? Cheer. Killing a unit ? Crazy, mad cheers. The problem is : they also started booing everytime Flash did anything. And they went mad when he used his medivacs. It felt pretty agressive and out of place. There was several reasons : the huge downtime before the game, Suppy telling them to root for Ret, the medivac's hate... but in the end, it felt really xenophobic and out of place (booing Flash of all people ?). Ret and Flash, on the other hand played really standard, macro game. I don't know if this is my imagination but it felt really respectful : Ret going early hatch, Flash scouting that and going early CC every game, if I remember correctly. Flash outclassed Ret with a solid, nearly perfect macro style. And Ret seems really solid too (imo) despite going 3-0. I really liked the game, and would recommend them if you like no-gimmick, no bullshit, straight up macro games. When second game started, the crowd tried to boo Flash like in game 1 but Day9 told them something along the lines : Don't boo Flash, guys, he's awesome. And it kinda stopped. Afterward, it felt really weird and people tried to rationnalize it by saying that the crowd booed the medivac... but, to me at least, it felt really insulting and out of place. And more than anything, ignorant of who Flash is. Now go watch the games, and make your own opinion :p Boo'ing players. This crowd seriously deserves the shit. Should be banned from the venue. IEM in Germany was always amazing. Cheering for foreigners/players from Germany especially but they never boo'd any Korean. They always gave them respectful applause/cheers when they won. What a terrible audience. Booing is part of the game. I'm surprised we don't see more people booing. In either case I wish more Koreans would play off it but I don't think they know how because they are really not used to it. Look at what Greg did with his bad boy image. Imagine a Korean doing it. Yeah, instant gratification. Booing is NOT part of the game and its not okay. What the fuck is wrong with you? Even in soccer or any other sports, booing is a sign of bad sportsmanship or bad fuckups of a single player. Thats when he gets a boo, not because he has done nothing. Flash played his games and its nothing short of disrespectful. Really you have to be stupid to find it acceptable to not just cheer but also boo/downtalk/shout towards the opponent. Considering you and I have been around these parts long enough to know what goes down. It's never been apart of our gaming scene but look everywhere else and it's perfectly acceptable/normal behavior. That is what I was getting at. People do boo at soccer games in North America as well btw especially if you are a Toronto FC fan lmao. It is far from stupid behavior. It's a release of anxiety and fairly normal everywhere else. Like I said, if I were Flash I would feed off the new behavior he's not used to and play with it. I feel like your "everywhere else" excludes the entirety of Asia and large parts of Europe, and a wide variety of sports in which you almost certainly would get kicked out for booing.
So when AC Milan plays Barcelona and Barcelona fans boo at the Milan players, the fans would get kicked out?
I do not agree with booing, but it is not illegal and certainly does not call for a ban.
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On March 17 2013 23:12 Grettin wrote:According to calendar yes.
Thank you. Got confused for a while there.
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On March 17 2013 23:14 Giriath wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 23:07 StarStruck wrote:On March 17 2013 23:00 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 17 2013 22:58 StarStruck wrote:On March 17 2013 22:43 GunSec wrote:
damn @ all of the people who whine about foreigners losing all the time, if you lose against the best then its obvious you have some leaks in your game and is probably bad at something! I realised recently that I have a huge amount of leaks in online poker without me realising it and I really sucked at the game and caused me to lose a lot of money. There is a reason you see the top players final table constantly and winning in almost every session. Foreginer vs Koreans is like "luck" in poker since many people whine about those stuff equally. Indeed. The best practice is in fact playing players who are much better than you. You want to improve, study those replays immensely. There is no better practice than playing these guys and that's the way you ought to view it. You hope and crave those chances in the bracket. On March 17 2013 22:52 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 17 2013 22:43 Bermuda wrote:On March 17 2013 21:55 gamerdude12345 wrote:
Also, I heard that there was booing in the crowd last night. Did they ever get kicked out or did they just stop? Seems super BM to actually boo a player. Here is what happened : There was a significant delay before Flash vs Ret (like really long). So they had various breaks etc. During the downtime, Anna had Suppy for an interview on the stage as he was defeated in the previous round by Ret. He said that he had the utmost respect for Flash, obviously, but that he was cheering for Ret. Because he really liked Ret and felt like he was doing really well recently and could use the support going against Flash. He also encouraged the crowd to root and cheer for Ret who was the last (or one of the last can't remember) foreigner and clearly the underdog. It was actually really nice and respectful from him considering he was just defeated by Ret. But the crowd took it to another level... During the first match, they started cheering for Ret eveytime he did anything, and I mean anything. Creep tumor ? Cheers. Zergling going across the map ? Cheer. Killing a unit ? Crazy, mad cheers. The problem is : they also started booing everytime Flash did anything. And they went mad when he used his medivacs. It felt pretty agressive and out of place. There was several reasons : the huge downtime before the game, Suppy telling them to root for Ret, the medivac's hate... but in the end, it felt really xenophobic and out of place (booing Flash of all people ?). Ret and Flash, on the other hand played really standard, macro game. I don't know if this is my imagination but it felt really respectful : Ret going early hatch, Flash scouting that and going early CC every game, if I remember correctly. Flash outclassed Ret with a solid, nearly perfect macro style. And Ret seems really solid too (imo) despite going 3-0. I really liked the game, and would recommend them if you like no-gimmick, no bullshit, straight up macro games. When second game started, the crowd tried to boo Flash like in game 1 but Day9 told them something along the lines : Don't boo Flash, guys, he's awesome. And it kinda stopped. Afterward, it felt really weird and people tried to rationnalize it by saying that the crowd booed the medivac... but, to me at least, it felt really insulting and out of place. And more than anything, ignorant of who Flash is. Now go watch the games, and make your own opinion :p Boo'ing players. This crowd seriously deserves the shit. Should be banned from the venue. IEM in Germany was always amazing. Cheering for foreigners/players from Germany especially but they never boo'd any Korean. They always gave them respectful applause/cheers when they won. What a terrible audience. Booing is part of the game. I'm surprised we don't see more people booing. In either case I wish more Koreans would play off it but I don't think they know how because they are really not used to it. Look at what Greg did with his bad boy image. Imagine a Korean doing it. Yeah, instant gratification. Booing is NOT part of the game and its not okay. What the fuck is wrong with you? Even in soccer or any other sports, booing is a sign of bad sportsmanship or bad fuckups of a single player. Thats when he gets a boo, not because he has done nothing. Flash played his games and its nothing short of disrespectful. Really you have to be stupid to find it acceptable to not just cheer but also boo/downtalk/shout towards the opponent. Considering you and I have been around these parts long enough to know what goes down. It's never been apart of our gaming scene but look everywhere else and it's perfectly acceptable/normal behavior. That is what I was getting at. People do boo at soccer games in North America as well btw especially if you are a Toronto FC fan lmao. It is far from stupid behavior. It's a release of anxiety and fairly normal everywhere else. Like I said, if I were Flash I would feed off the new behavior he's not used to and play with it. I feel like your "everywhere else" excludes the entirety of Asia and large parts of Europe, and a wide variety of sports in which you almost certainly would get kicked out for booing.
People pay good money to go to these events (really talking more about a football/soccer game here) and they want to boo, they have every right to.
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On March 17 2013 22:43 Bermuda wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 21:55 gamerdude12345 wrote:
Also, I heard that there was booing in the crowd last night. Did they ever get kicked out or did they just stop? Seems super BM to actually boo a player. Here is what happened : There was a significant delay before Flash vs Ret (like really long). So they had various breaks etc. During the downtime, Anna had Suppy for an interview on the stage as he was defeated in the previous round by Ret. He said that he had the utmost respect for Flash, obviously, but that he was cheering for Ret. Because he really liked Ret and felt like he was doing really well recently and could use the support going against Flash. He also encouraged the crowd to root and cheer for Ret who was the last (or one of the last can't remember) foreigner and clearly the underdog. It was actually really nice and respectful from him considering he was just defeated by Ret. But the crowd took it to another level... During the first match, they started cheering for Ret eveytime he did anything, and I mean anything. Creep tumor ? Cheers. Zergling going across the map ? Cheer. Killing a unit ? Crazy, mad cheers. The problem is : they also started booing everytime Flash did anything. And they went mad when he used his medivacs. It felt pretty agressive and out of place. There was several reasons : the huge downtime before the game, Suppy telling them to root for Ret, the medivac's hate... but in the end, it felt really xenophobic and out of place (booing Flash of all people ?). Ret and Flash, on the other hand played really standard, macro games. I don't know if this is my imagination but it felt really respectful : Ret going early hatch, Flash scouting that and going early CC every game, if I remember correctly. Flash outclassed Ret with a solid, nearly perfect macro style. And Ret seems really solid too (imo) despite going 3-0. I really liked the game, and would recommend them if you like no-gimmick, no bullshit, straight up macro games. When second game started, the crowd tried to boo Flash like in game 1 but Day9 told them something along the lines : Don't boo Flash, guys, he's awesome. And it kinda stopped. Afterward, it felt really weird and people tried to rationnalize it by saying that the crowd booed the medivac... but, to me at least, it felt really insulting and out of place. And more than anything, ignorant of who Flash is. Now go watch the games, and make your own opinion :p Edit : If you want more details / opinions from different people, someone made a blog post about it here : http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=403402
People need to chill out. Booing is nothing but proof of the skill of the player getting booed. Unless something totally out of line had been done of course, but I don't anyone suspected that here. Besides the players can't hear it while playing.
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i just watched the games and didn't even hear the booing, lol. such a big deal about such a small event.
and lost in the sauce is how fucking amazing Flash played all 3 games. Ret was playing pretty well but he got peeled like an onion. I wanna see a Flash v Life finals!
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On March 17 2013 23:14 Giriath wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 23:07 StarStruck wrote:On March 17 2013 23:00 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 17 2013 22:58 StarStruck wrote:On March 17 2013 22:43 GunSec wrote:
damn @ all of the people who whine about foreigners losing all the time, if you lose against the best then its obvious you have some leaks in your game and is probably bad at something! I realised recently that I have a huge amount of leaks in online poker without me realising it and I really sucked at the game and caused me to lose a lot of money. There is a reason you see the top players final table constantly and winning in almost every session. Foreginer vs Koreans is like "luck" in poker since many people whine about those stuff equally. Indeed. The best practice is in fact playing players who are much better than you. You want to improve, study those replays immensely. There is no better practice than playing these guys and that's the way you ought to view it. You hope and crave those chances in the bracket. On March 17 2013 22:52 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 17 2013 22:43 Bermuda wrote:On March 17 2013 21:55 gamerdude12345 wrote:
Also, I heard that there was booing in the crowd last night. Did they ever get kicked out or did they just stop? Seems super BM to actually boo a player. Here is what happened : There was a significant delay before Flash vs Ret (like really long). So they had various breaks etc. During the downtime, Anna had Suppy for an interview on the stage as he was defeated in the previous round by Ret. He said that he had the utmost respect for Flash, obviously, but that he was cheering for Ret. Because he really liked Ret and felt like he was doing really well recently and could use the support going against Flash. He also encouraged the crowd to root and cheer for Ret who was the last (or one of the last can't remember) foreigner and clearly the underdog. It was actually really nice and respectful from him considering he was just defeated by Ret. But the crowd took it to another level... During the first match, they started cheering for Ret eveytime he did anything, and I mean anything. Creep tumor ? Cheers. Zergling going across the map ? Cheer. Killing a unit ? Crazy, mad cheers. The problem is : they also started booing everytime Flash did anything. And they went mad when he used his medivacs. It felt pretty agressive and out of place. There was several reasons : the huge downtime before the game, Suppy telling them to root for Ret, the medivac's hate... but in the end, it felt really xenophobic and out of place (booing Flash of all people ?). Ret and Flash, on the other hand played really standard, macro game. I don't know if this is my imagination but it felt really respectful : Ret going early hatch, Flash scouting that and going early CC every game, if I remember correctly. Flash outclassed Ret with a solid, nearly perfect macro style. And Ret seems really solid too (imo) despite going 3-0. I really liked the game, and would recommend them if you like no-gimmick, no bullshit, straight up macro games. When second game started, the crowd tried to boo Flash like in game 1 but Day9 told them something along the lines : Don't boo Flash, guys, he's awesome. And it kinda stopped. Afterward, it felt really weird and people tried to rationnalize it by saying that the crowd booed the medivac... but, to me at least, it felt really insulting and out of place. And more than anything, ignorant of who Flash is. Now go watch the games, and make your own opinion :p Boo'ing players. This crowd seriously deserves the shit. Should be banned from the venue. IEM in Germany was always amazing. Cheering for foreigners/players from Germany especially but they never boo'd any Korean. They always gave them respectful applause/cheers when they won. What a terrible audience. Booing is part of the game. I'm surprised we don't see more people booing. In either case I wish more Koreans would play off it but I don't think they know how because they are really not used to it. Look at what Greg did with his bad boy image. Imagine a Korean doing it. Yeah, instant gratification. Booing is NOT part of the game and its not okay. What the fuck is wrong with you? Even in soccer or any other sports, booing is a sign of bad sportsmanship or bad fuckups of a single player. Thats when he gets a boo, not because he has done nothing. Flash played his games and its nothing short of disrespectful. Really you have to be stupid to find it acceptable to not just cheer but also boo/downtalk/shout towards the opponent. Considering you and I have been around these parts long enough to know what goes down. It's never been apart of our gaming scene but look everywhere else and it's perfectly acceptable/normal behavior. That is what I was getting at. People do boo at soccer games in North America as well btw especially if you are a Toronto FC fan lmao. It is far from stupid behavior. It's a release of anxiety and fairly normal everywhere else. Like I said, if I were Flash I would feed off the new behavior he's not used to and play with it. I feel like your "everywhere else" excludes the entirety of Asia and large parts of Europe, and a wide variety of sports in which you almost certainly would get kicked out for booing.
Give me a list please because I obviously haven't been to enough sports in those parts to know. In either case, you aren't apart of that crowd in Dallas so it's on them and not you. Yes, SC is a globalized game but that doesn't mean the crowds won't play out differently and in the American sporting world. Booing is common practice and you have to accept it for what it is over here. When we go to Sweden or where ever you're from same rule applies to your country when it comes to what is acceptable and what is not.
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On March 17 2013 23:16 Delicious Insanity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 23:14 Giriath wrote:On March 17 2013 23:07 StarStruck wrote:On March 17 2013 23:00 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 17 2013 22:58 StarStruck wrote:On March 17 2013 22:43 GunSec wrote:
damn @ all of the people who whine about foreigners losing all the time, if you lose against the best then its obvious you have some leaks in your game and is probably bad at something! I realised recently that I have a huge amount of leaks in online poker without me realising it and I really sucked at the game and caused me to lose a lot of money. There is a reason you see the top players final table constantly and winning in almost every session. Foreginer vs Koreans is like "luck" in poker since many people whine about those stuff equally. Indeed. The best practice is in fact playing players who are much better than you. You want to improve, study those replays immensely. There is no better practice than playing these guys and that's the way you ought to view it. You hope and crave those chances in the bracket. On March 17 2013 22:52 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 17 2013 22:43 Bermuda wrote:On March 17 2013 21:55 gamerdude12345 wrote:
Also, I heard that there was booing in the crowd last night. Did they ever get kicked out or did they just stop? Seems super BM to actually boo a player. Here is what happened : There was a significant delay before Flash vs Ret (like really long). So they had various breaks etc. During the downtime, Anna had Suppy for an interview on the stage as he was defeated in the previous round by Ret. He said that he had the utmost respect for Flash, obviously, but that he was cheering for Ret. Because he really liked Ret and felt like he was doing really well recently and could use the support going against Flash. He also encouraged the crowd to root and cheer for Ret who was the last (or one of the last can't remember) foreigner and clearly the underdog. It was actually really nice and respectful from him considering he was just defeated by Ret. But the crowd took it to another level... During the first match, they started cheering for Ret eveytime he did anything, and I mean anything. Creep tumor ? Cheers. Zergling going across the map ? Cheer. Killing a unit ? Crazy, mad cheers. The problem is : they also started booing everytime Flash did anything. And they went mad when he used his medivacs. It felt pretty agressive and out of place. There was several reasons : the huge downtime before the game, Suppy telling them to root for Ret, the medivac's hate... but in the end, it felt really xenophobic and out of place (booing Flash of all people ?). Ret and Flash, on the other hand played really standard, macro game. I don't know if this is my imagination but it felt really respectful : Ret going early hatch, Flash scouting that and going early CC every game, if I remember correctly. Flash outclassed Ret with a solid, nearly perfect macro style. And Ret seems really solid too (imo) despite going 3-0. I really liked the game, and would recommend them if you like no-gimmick, no bullshit, straight up macro games. When second game started, the crowd tried to boo Flash like in game 1 but Day9 told them something along the lines : Don't boo Flash, guys, he's awesome. And it kinda stopped. Afterward, it felt really weird and people tried to rationnalize it by saying that the crowd booed the medivac... but, to me at least, it felt really insulting and out of place. And more than anything, ignorant of who Flash is. Now go watch the games, and make your own opinion :p Boo'ing players. This crowd seriously deserves the shit. Should be banned from the venue. IEM in Germany was always amazing. Cheering for foreigners/players from Germany especially but they never boo'd any Korean. They always gave them respectful applause/cheers when they won. What a terrible audience. Booing is part of the game. I'm surprised we don't see more people booing. In either case I wish more Koreans would play off it but I don't think they know how because they are really not used to it. Look at what Greg did with his bad boy image. Imagine a Korean doing it. Yeah, instant gratification. Booing is NOT part of the game and its not okay. What the fuck is wrong with you? Even in soccer or any other sports, booing is a sign of bad sportsmanship or bad fuckups of a single player. Thats when he gets a boo, not because he has done nothing. Flash played his games and its nothing short of disrespectful. Really you have to be stupid to find it acceptable to not just cheer but also boo/downtalk/shout towards the opponent. Considering you and I have been around these parts long enough to know what goes down. It's never been apart of our gaming scene but look everywhere else and it's perfectly acceptable/normal behavior. That is what I was getting at. People do boo at soccer games in North America as well btw especially if you are a Toronto FC fan lmao. It is far from stupid behavior. It's a release of anxiety and fairly normal everywhere else. Like I said, if I were Flash I would feed off the new behavior he's not used to and play with it. I feel like your "everywhere else" excludes the entirety of Asia and large parts of Europe, and a wide variety of sports in which you almost certainly would get kicked out for booing. So when AC Milan plays Barcelona and Barcelona fans boo at the Milan players, the fans would get kicked out?
he said a variety of sports and football doesnt belong to it even though they are trying to teach the people respect, i dont think football will ever change. but tahts not the only sport you have in europe you know?
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On March 17 2013 23:16 Delicious Insanity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 23:14 Giriath wrote:On March 17 2013 23:07 StarStruck wrote:On March 17 2013 23:00 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 17 2013 22:58 StarStruck wrote:On March 17 2013 22:43 GunSec wrote:
damn @ all of the people who whine about foreigners losing all the time, if you lose against the best then its obvious you have some leaks in your game and is probably bad at something! I realised recently that I have a huge amount of leaks in online poker without me realising it and I really sucked at the game and caused me to lose a lot of money. There is a reason you see the top players final table constantly and winning in almost every session. Foreginer vs Koreans is like "luck" in poker since many people whine about those stuff equally. Indeed. The best practice is in fact playing players who are much better than you. You want to improve, study those replays immensely. There is no better practice than playing these guys and that's the way you ought to view it. You hope and crave those chances in the bracket. On March 17 2013 22:52 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 17 2013 22:43 Bermuda wrote:On March 17 2013 21:55 gamerdude12345 wrote:
Also, I heard that there was booing in the crowd last night. Did they ever get kicked out or did they just stop? Seems super BM to actually boo a player. Here is what happened : There was a significant delay before Flash vs Ret (like really long). So they had various breaks etc. During the downtime, Anna had Suppy for an interview on the stage as he was defeated in the previous round by Ret. He said that he had the utmost respect for Flash, obviously, but that he was cheering for Ret. Because he really liked Ret and felt like he was doing really well recently and could use the support going against Flash. He also encouraged the crowd to root and cheer for Ret who was the last (or one of the last can't remember) foreigner and clearly the underdog. It was actually really nice and respectful from him considering he was just defeated by Ret. But the crowd took it to another level... During the first match, they started cheering for Ret eveytime he did anything, and I mean anything. Creep tumor ? Cheers. Zergling going across the map ? Cheer. Killing a unit ? Crazy, mad cheers. The problem is : they also started booing everytime Flash did anything. And they went mad when he used his medivacs. It felt pretty agressive and out of place. There was several reasons : the huge downtime before the game, Suppy telling them to root for Ret, the medivac's hate... but in the end, it felt really xenophobic and out of place (booing Flash of all people ?). Ret and Flash, on the other hand played really standard, macro game. I don't know if this is my imagination but it felt really respectful : Ret going early hatch, Flash scouting that and going early CC every game, if I remember correctly. Flash outclassed Ret with a solid, nearly perfect macro style. And Ret seems really solid too (imo) despite going 3-0. I really liked the game, and would recommend them if you like no-gimmick, no bullshit, straight up macro games. When second game started, the crowd tried to boo Flash like in game 1 but Day9 told them something along the lines : Don't boo Flash, guys, he's awesome. And it kinda stopped. Afterward, it felt really weird and people tried to rationnalize it by saying that the crowd booed the medivac... but, to me at least, it felt really insulting and out of place. And more than anything, ignorant of who Flash is. Now go watch the games, and make your own opinion :p Boo'ing players. This crowd seriously deserves the shit. Should be banned from the venue. IEM in Germany was always amazing. Cheering for foreigners/players from Germany especially but they never boo'd any Korean. They always gave them respectful applause/cheers when they won. What a terrible audience. Booing is part of the game. I'm surprised we don't see more people booing. In either case I wish more Koreans would play off it but I don't think they know how because they are really not used to it. Look at what Greg did with his bad boy image. Imagine a Korean doing it. Yeah, instant gratification. Booing is NOT part of the game and its not okay. What the fuck is wrong with you? Even in soccer or any other sports, booing is a sign of bad sportsmanship or bad fuckups of a single player. Thats when he gets a boo, not because he has done nothing. Flash played his games and its nothing short of disrespectful. Really you have to be stupid to find it acceptable to not just cheer but also boo/downtalk/shout towards the opponent. Considering you and I have been around these parts long enough to know what goes down. It's never been apart of our gaming scene but look everywhere else and it's perfectly acceptable/normal behavior. That is what I was getting at. People do boo at soccer games in North America as well btw especially if you are a Toronto FC fan lmao. It is far from stupid behavior. It's a release of anxiety and fairly normal everywhere else. Like I said, if I were Flash I would feed off the new behavior he's not used to and play with it. I feel like your "everywhere else" excludes the entirety of Asia and large parts of Europe, and a wide variety of sports in which you almost certainly would get kicked out for booing. So when AC Milan plays Barcelona and Barcelona fans boo at the Milan players, the fans would get kicked out?
Football |= StarCraft.
Americans booing a Korean raping a Dutch player makes no sense. Its not like this even was in Holland and the dutch crowed was booing any opponent of Ret. That would make sense, but not booing the best player in RTS history destorying a mediocre Non-American!
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People are still going on about the booing? Not like it was that bad, only happened during one series.
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On March 17 2013 23:18 Dibella wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 23:16 Delicious Insanity wrote:On March 17 2013 23:14 Giriath wrote:On March 17 2013 23:07 StarStruck wrote:On March 17 2013 23:00 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 17 2013 22:58 StarStruck wrote:On March 17 2013 22:43 GunSec wrote:
damn @ all of the people who whine about foreigners losing all the time, if you lose against the best then its obvious you have some leaks in your game and is probably bad at something! I realised recently that I have a huge amount of leaks in online poker without me realising it and I really sucked at the game and caused me to lose a lot of money. There is a reason you see the top players final table constantly and winning in almost every session. Foreginer vs Koreans is like "luck" in poker since many people whine about those stuff equally. Indeed. The best practice is in fact playing players who are much better than you. You want to improve, study those replays immensely. There is no better practice than playing these guys and that's the way you ought to view it. You hope and crave those chances in the bracket. On March 17 2013 22:52 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 17 2013 22:43 Bermuda wrote:On March 17 2013 21:55 gamerdude12345 wrote:
Also, I heard that there was booing in the crowd last night. Did they ever get kicked out or did they just stop? Seems super BM to actually boo a player. Here is what happened : There was a significant delay before Flash vs Ret (like really long). So they had various breaks etc. During the downtime, Anna had Suppy for an interview on the stage as he was defeated in the previous round by Ret. He said that he had the utmost respect for Flash, obviously, but that he was cheering for Ret. Because he really liked Ret and felt like he was doing really well recently and could use the support going against Flash. He also encouraged the crowd to root and cheer for Ret who was the last (or one of the last can't remember) foreigner and clearly the underdog. It was actually really nice and respectful from him considering he was just defeated by Ret. But the crowd took it to another level... During the first match, they started cheering for Ret eveytime he did anything, and I mean anything. Creep tumor ? Cheers. Zergling going across the map ? Cheer. Killing a unit ? Crazy, mad cheers. The problem is : they also started booing everytime Flash did anything. And they went mad when he used his medivacs. It felt pretty agressive and out of place. There was several reasons : the huge downtime before the game, Suppy telling them to root for Ret, the medivac's hate... but in the end, it felt really xenophobic and out of place (booing Flash of all people ?). Ret and Flash, on the other hand played really standard, macro game. I don't know if this is my imagination but it felt really respectful : Ret going early hatch, Flash scouting that and going early CC every game, if I remember correctly. Flash outclassed Ret with a solid, nearly perfect macro style. And Ret seems really solid too (imo) despite going 3-0. I really liked the game, and would recommend them if you like no-gimmick, no bullshit, straight up macro games. When second game started, the crowd tried to boo Flash like in game 1 but Day9 told them something along the lines : Don't boo Flash, guys, he's awesome. And it kinda stopped. Afterward, it felt really weird and people tried to rationnalize it by saying that the crowd booed the medivac... but, to me at least, it felt really insulting and out of place. And more than anything, ignorant of who Flash is. Now go watch the games, and make your own opinion :p Boo'ing players. This crowd seriously deserves the shit. Should be banned from the venue. IEM in Germany was always amazing. Cheering for foreigners/players from Germany especially but they never boo'd any Korean. They always gave them respectful applause/cheers when they won. What a terrible audience. Booing is part of the game. I'm surprised we don't see more people booing. In either case I wish more Koreans would play off it but I don't think they know how because they are really not used to it. Look at what Greg did with his bad boy image. Imagine a Korean doing it. Yeah, instant gratification. Booing is NOT part of the game and its not okay. What the fuck is wrong with you? Even in soccer or any other sports, booing is a sign of bad sportsmanship or bad fuckups of a single player. Thats when he gets a boo, not because he has done nothing. Flash played his games and its nothing short of disrespectful. Really you have to be stupid to find it acceptable to not just cheer but also boo/downtalk/shout towards the opponent. Considering you and I have been around these parts long enough to know what goes down. It's never been apart of our gaming scene but look everywhere else and it's perfectly acceptable/normal behavior. That is what I was getting at. People do boo at soccer games in North America as well btw especially if you are a Toronto FC fan lmao. It is far from stupid behavior. It's a release of anxiety and fairly normal everywhere else. Like I said, if I were Flash I would feed off the new behavior he's not used to and play with it. I feel like your "everywhere else" excludes the entirety of Asia and large parts of Europe, and a wide variety of sports in which you almost certainly would get kicked out for booing. So when AC Milan plays Barcelona and Barcelona fans boo at the Milan players, the fans would get kicked out? Football |= StarCraft. Americans booing a Korean raping a Dutch player makes no sense. Its not like this even was in Holland and the dutch crowed was booing any opponent of Ret. That would make sense, but not booing the best player in RTS history destorying a mediocre Non-American!
It does not matter if it makes sense. If some idiots want to boo because they see their fav. player getting destroyed, they should do it.
It is dumb, yes, but should not be met with a ban.
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On March 17 2013 23:16 Delicious Insanity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 23:14 Giriath wrote:On March 17 2013 23:07 StarStruck wrote:On March 17 2013 23:00 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 17 2013 22:58 StarStruck wrote:On March 17 2013 22:43 GunSec wrote:
damn @ all of the people who whine about foreigners losing all the time, if you lose against the best then its obvious you have some leaks in your game and is probably bad at something! I realised recently that I have a huge amount of leaks in online poker without me realising it and I really sucked at the game and caused me to lose a lot of money. There is a reason you see the top players final table constantly and winning in almost every session. Foreginer vs Koreans is like "luck" in poker since many people whine about those stuff equally. Indeed. The best practice is in fact playing players who are much better than you. You want to improve, study those replays immensely. There is no better practice than playing these guys and that's the way you ought to view it. You hope and crave those chances in the bracket. On March 17 2013 22:52 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 17 2013 22:43 Bermuda wrote:On March 17 2013 21:55 gamerdude12345 wrote:
Also, I heard that there was booing in the crowd last night. Did they ever get kicked out or did they just stop? Seems super BM to actually boo a player. Here is what happened : There was a significant delay before Flash vs Ret (like really long). So they had various breaks etc. During the downtime, Anna had Suppy for an interview on the stage as he was defeated in the previous round by Ret. He said that he had the utmost respect for Flash, obviously, but that he was cheering for Ret. Because he really liked Ret and felt like he was doing really well recently and could use the support going against Flash. He also encouraged the crowd to root and cheer for Ret who was the last (or one of the last can't remember) foreigner and clearly the underdog. It was actually really nice and respectful from him considering he was just defeated by Ret. But the crowd took it to another level... During the first match, they started cheering for Ret eveytime he did anything, and I mean anything. Creep tumor ? Cheers. Zergling going across the map ? Cheer. Killing a unit ? Crazy, mad cheers. The problem is : they also started booing everytime Flash did anything. And they went mad when he used his medivacs. It felt pretty agressive and out of place. There was several reasons : the huge downtime before the game, Suppy telling them to root for Ret, the medivac's hate... but in the end, it felt really xenophobic and out of place (booing Flash of all people ?). Ret and Flash, on the other hand played really standard, macro game. I don't know if this is my imagination but it felt really respectful : Ret going early hatch, Flash scouting that and going early CC every game, if I remember correctly. Flash outclassed Ret with a solid, nearly perfect macro style. And Ret seems really solid too (imo) despite going 3-0. I really liked the game, and would recommend them if you like no-gimmick, no bullshit, straight up macro games. When second game started, the crowd tried to boo Flash like in game 1 but Day9 told them something along the lines : Don't boo Flash, guys, he's awesome. And it kinda stopped. Afterward, it felt really weird and people tried to rationnalize it by saying that the crowd booed the medivac... but, to me at least, it felt really insulting and out of place. And more than anything, ignorant of who Flash is. Now go watch the games, and make your own opinion :p Boo'ing players. This crowd seriously deserves the shit. Should be banned from the venue. IEM in Germany was always amazing. Cheering for foreigners/players from Germany especially but they never boo'd any Korean. They always gave them respectful applause/cheers when they won. What a terrible audience. Booing is part of the game. I'm surprised we don't see more people booing. In either case I wish more Koreans would play off it but I don't think they know how because they are really not used to it. Look at what Greg did with his bad boy image. Imagine a Korean doing it. Yeah, instant gratification. Booing is NOT part of the game and its not okay. What the fuck is wrong with you? Even in soccer or any other sports, booing is a sign of bad sportsmanship or bad fuckups of a single player. Thats when he gets a boo, not because he has done nothing. Flash played his games and its nothing short of disrespectful. Really you have to be stupid to find it acceptable to not just cheer but also boo/downtalk/shout towards the opponent. Considering you and I have been around these parts long enough to know what goes down. It's never been apart of our gaming scene but look everywhere else and it's perfectly acceptable/normal behavior. That is what I was getting at. People do boo at soccer games in North America as well btw especially if you are a Toronto FC fan lmao. It is far from stupid behavior. It's a release of anxiety and fairly normal everywhere else. Like I said, if I were Flash I would feed off the new behavior he's not used to and play with it. I feel like your "everywhere else" excludes the entirety of Asia and large parts of Europe, and a wide variety of sports in which you almost certainly would get kicked out for booing. So when AC Milan plays Barcelona and Barcelona fans boo at the Milan players, the fans would get kicked out? I do not agree with booing, but it is not illegal and certainly does not call for a ban.
Should I start picking examples where you would get kicked out for booing? I did not say it applied to all sports everywhere, how is this hard to understand?
Some cultures and some sports communities will not tolerate booing.
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Omg stop bitching about booing, it was a mistake, they obviously caught on to that based on the fact they stopped after they were asked, also they cheered and chanted flash and Ret after the game so they obviously didn't hate him. Stop acting like white knights who have never made a mistake in their life it's fucking annoying.
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