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On March 17 2013 23:40 kafkaesque wrote:
I thought the boo-discussion was ridiculous and unneccessary, but watching the game and Day9's sad little "Dude, don't boo Flash, he's amazing." really hit me in the guts.
Goes to show you how professional Day9 is, as you could clearly hear his disappointment.
I get that whites want other whites to win, but do show some class about it.
I really think it's more of the underdog, David v. Goliath thing, rather than racism...
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On March 17 2013 23:37 sc2holar wrote:
I remember when Sjow beat Whitera in the First IEM championship that took place IN WHITERAS HOMETOWN. Despite Whitera basicly getting robbed of a win that would have tied up the series because of a disconnect, the people in his homeland, hell even his hometown, cheered when sjow won. not a single person booed, there was a cheerful atmosphere during the entire finals and the following ceremony.
Ukrainians are just great guys ^^
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If someone travels from a fairly distant country, and especially if its a living legend like flash, to participate in your event, you show them the best hospitality and courtesy you can muster up. its just common sense.
you cant compare it to soccer, because unlike in yesterdays scenario, there will always be two sides of the audience. yes, a lot of barcelona fans might boo when milan scores, but on the other hand the people on the other side will cheer for milan. Even if they are playing at Barcelonas home arena, there will always be a Milan crowd there to show their support. Yesterday it was basicly ret and the audience versus flash, he didnt have a hundred koreans in the crowd cheering everytime the americans booed.
and most importantly, soccer is a team sport where people cheer and boo at CLUBS, not individuals. In starcraft, you are basicly alienating and bullying a particular individual, a person just like you and me, while he is trying to focus on a game in front of a huge crowd that shows contempt for him. thats something completley different.
Soccer teams are basicly organizations, a business.
Flash is just a guy who is really good at starcraft, who goes to another country to sit alone in his booth and play his games.
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THe way MC tore MVP apart makes me believe MC will win this. Flash looks very strong, but honestly he is winning because he simply has better mechanics than everyone he played.
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This MLG has been amazing so far, I hope it continues on day 3!
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Great Ro8. I don't have a problem with any 2 of the 8 to be in the finals.
Though of course, I'm cheering for Flash.
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On March 17 2013 23:43 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 23:40 kafkaesque wrote:
I thought the boo-discussion was ridiculous and unneccessary, but watching the game and Day9's sad little "Dude, don't boo Flash, he's amazing." really hit me in the guts.
Goes to show you how professional Day9 is, as you could clearly hear his disappointment.
I get that whites want other whites to win, but do show some class about it. I really think it's more of the underdog, David v. Goliath thing, rather than racism...
I was in the crowd, the people who were booing were booing the strength of terran(mostly medivac boost), not koreans or flash, the crowd loved flash
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On March 17 2013 23:52 Die4Ever wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 23:43 sc2superfan101 wrote:On March 17 2013 23:40 kafkaesque wrote:
I thought the boo-discussion was ridiculous and unneccessary, but watching the game and Day9's sad little "Dude, don't boo Flash, he's amazing." really hit me in the guts.
Goes to show you how professional Day9 is, as you could clearly hear his disappointment.
I get that whites want other whites to win, but do show some class about it. I really think it's more of the underdog, David v. Goliath thing, rather than racism... I was in the crowd, the people who were booing were booing the strength of terran(mostly medivac boost), not koreans or flash, the crowd loved flash
Reason doesn't matter. Its not acceptable. Also who are they to judge the strength? Flash would have beaten ret in WoL just as hard would be likely.
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On March 17 2013 23:49 HeeroFX wrote:
THe way MC tore MVP apart makes me believe MC will win this. Flash looks very strong, but honestly he is winning because he simply has better mechanics than everyone he played.
I think the major problem for MVP was not opening safe enough. Had he opened all games like he did in g2, he would have been fine all games. Opening CC first in a game that's been out for less than a week seems pretty questionable anyhow.
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On March 17 2013 23:29 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 23:21 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 17 2013 23:19 Delicious Insanity wrote:On March 17 2013 23:18 Dibella wrote:On March 17 2013 23:16 Delicious Insanity wrote:On March 17 2013 23:14 Giriath wrote:On March 17 2013 23:07 StarStruck wrote:On March 17 2013 23:00 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 17 2013 22:58 StarStruck wrote:On March 17 2013 22:43 GunSec wrote:
damn @ all of the people who whine about foreigners losing all the time, if you lose against the best then its obvious you have some leaks in your game and is probably bad at something! I realised recently that I have a huge amount of leaks in online poker without me realising it and I really sucked at the game and caused me to lose a lot of money. There is a reason you see the top players final table constantly and winning in almost every session. Foreginer vs Koreans is like "luck" in poker since many people whine about those stuff equally. Indeed. The best practice is in fact playing players who are much better than you. You want to improve, study those replays immensely. There is no better practice than playing these guys and that's the way you ought to view it. You hope and crave those chances in the bracket. On March 17 2013 22:52 Type|NarutO wrote:
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Boo'ing players. This crowd seriously deserves the shit. Should be banned from the venue. IEM in Germany was always amazing. Cheering for foreigners/players from Germany especially but they never boo'd any Korean. They always gave them respectful applause/cheers when they won. What a terrible audience. Booing is part of the game. I'm surprised we don't see more people booing. In either case I wish more Koreans would play off it but I don't think they know how because they are really not used to it. Look at what Greg did with his bad boy image. Imagine a Korean doing it. Yeah, instant gratification. Booing is NOT part of the game and its not okay. What the fuck is wrong with you? Even in soccer or any other sports, booing is a sign of bad sportsmanship or bad fuckups of a single player. Thats when he gets a boo, not because he has done nothing. Flash played his games and its nothing short of disrespectful. Really you have to be stupid to find it acceptable to not just cheer but also boo/downtalk/shout towards the opponent. Considering you and I have been around these parts long enough to know what goes down. It's never been apart of our gaming scene but look everywhere else and it's perfectly acceptable/normal behavior. That is what I was getting at. People do boo at soccer games in North America as well btw especially if you are a Toronto FC fan lmao. It is far from stupid behavior. It's a release of anxiety and fairly normal everywhere else. Like I said, if I were Flash I would feed off the new behavior he's not used to and play with it. I feel like your "everywhere else" excludes the entirety of Asia and large parts of Europe, and a wide variety of sports in which you almost certainly would get kicked out for booing. So when AC Milan plays Barcelona and Barcelona fans boo at the Milan players, the fans would get kicked out? Football |= StarCraft. Americans booing a Korean raping a Dutch player makes no sense. Its not like this even was in Holland and the dutch crowed was booing any opponent of Ret. That would make sense, but not booing the best player in RTS history destorying a mediocre Non-American! It does not matter if it makes sense. If some idiots want to boo because they see their fav. player getting destroyed, they should do it. It is dumb, yes, but should not be met with a ban. No they should not. They should stay at home if they can't handle fair competition. lol I just got a PM from a forum lurker to tell me to stop advocating booing. First of all, I'm not advocating anything. As I already said, I understand the behavior. I didn't say I accept it and NarutO if they paid their ticket of admission and in their culture booing is an acceptable form of showing displeasure then who are you or I to stop them? If they want to make themselves a mark let them because at the end of the day they are the few. They are by no means representative of the entire scene. We're making a big thing out of nothing.
Yep, that represents exactly my thoughts on it.
With that being said, if it's such a big deal, organizers should step the rules, and as far i know, they actually called the crowd to stop boo'ing. Calling them idiots for doing something that actually made them excited cheering for the underdog while boo'ing for the favorite player is not acceptable neither like many people had done on this thread.
Anyways you should ask yourselves what you want from the crowd, an excited one, or a more passive one like tennis. I think tennis would make more sense for a 1v1 esports, but i also like when they crowd show they are really having a good time and are excited for the matches being played instead of just looking funny, and if i was on that crowd, that's how i would wanted it to be.
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On March 17 2013 23:49 HeeroFX wrote:
THe way MC tore MVP apart makes me believe MC will win this. Flash looks very strong, but honestly he is winning because he simply has better mechanics than everyone he played.
im inclined to agree, but sometimes MC can be pretty onedimensional and predictable and he wont be able to take this tournament by using the same builds and strategies he did against MVP in every TvP (and he might have lots of terrans on his way to the final)
so if MC basicly only prepared stargate builds and ramp busts, he will get figured out and knocked down. But you never know with MC, he might have a whole deck of Ace builds up his sleeve and yesterday he just played the stargate style several times because it seemed to work and he didnt want to reveal any other builds.
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I think Rain will tear apart MC if they meet in the finals
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Yankees are wierd folks. They pay for a ticket to "boo boo" topplayers too make them feel awefull..... It's stupid and could be called matchfixing
On topic :
3 protos
4 terran
1 zerg
Protos and terran balance seems ok. Life showed in the showmatch against flash that speedmedivac and widowmines dont have to be a problem. But there are certain timings some mediocre zergs cant properly respond too as of yet. So as i see it, there are two possibilities :
1. The best players are just not zerg, it's a logical conclusion (except for 2 maybe 3 zergs)
2. Zerg has problems with some timingwindow's, which they cant respond too without falling to far behind economiccaly.
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On March 17 2013 23:52 Die4Ever wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 23:43 sc2superfan101 wrote:On March 17 2013 23:40 kafkaesque wrote:
I thought the boo-discussion was ridiculous and unneccessary, but watching the game and Day9's sad little "Dude, don't boo Flash, he's amazing." really hit me in the guts.
Goes to show you how professional Day9 is, as you could clearly hear his disappointment.
I get that whites want other whites to win, but do show some class about it. I really think it's more of the underdog, David v. Goliath thing, rather than racism... I was in the crowd, the people who were booing were booing the strength of terran(mostly medivac boost), not koreans or flash, the crowd loved flash
I wasn't talking about the booing, I don't care about six people booing someone or something, or whatever it was. I was talking about the idea of people wanting foreigners to beat Koreans. it's not racism, it's the underdog storyline.
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on a side note, I've been loving the music at this MLG. way better than the standard fare of washed-out, distorted crap guitar and bass and screaming dorks who can't sing.
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On March 18 2013 00:00 govie wrote:Yankees are wierd folks. They pay for a ticket to "boo boo" topplayers too make them feel awefull..... It's stupid and could be called matchfixing On topic : 3 protos 4 terran 1 zerg Protos and terran balance seems ok. Life showed in the showmatch against flash that speedmedivac and widowmines dont have to be a problem. But there are certain timings some mediocre zergs cant properly respond too as of yet. So as i see it, there are two possibilities : 1. The best players are just not zerg, it's a logical conclusion (except for 2 maybe 3 zergs) 2. Zerg has problems with some timingwindow's, which they cant respond too without falling to far behind economiccaly.
The real reason is that the korean qualifiers were played in the beta back when TvZ was massivley broken (i think the TvZ winrate was around 85% in favor of terran at that point) so many of the top zergs that you would expect to see in a tournament like this didnt manage to qualify.
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On March 17 2013 23:42 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 23:41 StarStruck wrote:On March 17 2013 23:32 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 17 2013 23:29 StarStruck wrote:On March 17 2013 23:21 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 17 2013 23:19 Delicious Insanity wrote:On March 17 2013 23:18 Dibella wrote:On March 17 2013 23:16 Delicious Insanity wrote:On March 17 2013 23:14 Giriath wrote:On March 17 2013 23:07 StarStruck wrote:
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Considering you and I have been around these parts long enough to know what goes down. It's never been apart of our gaming scene but look everywhere else and it's perfectly acceptable/normal behavior. That is what I was getting at. People do boo at soccer games in North America as well btw especially if you are a Toronto FC fan lmao. It is far from stupid behavior. It's a release of anxiety and fairly normal everywhere else. Like I said, if I were Flash I would feed off the new behavior he's not used to and play with it. I feel like your "everywhere else" excludes the entirety of Asia and large parts of Europe, and a wide variety of sports in which you almost certainly would get kicked out for booing. So when AC Milan plays Barcelona and Barcelona fans boo at the Milan players, the fans would get kicked out? Football |= StarCraft. Americans booing a Korean raping a Dutch player makes no sense. Its not like this even was in Holland and the dutch crowed was booing any opponent of Ret. That would make sense, but not booing the best player in RTS history destorying a mediocre Non-American! It does not matter if it makes sense. If some idiots want to boo because they see their fav. player getting destroyed, they should do it. It is dumb, yes, but should not be met with a ban. No they should not. They should stay at home if they can't handle fair competition. lol I just got a PM from a forum lurker to tell me to stop advocating booing. First of all, I'm not advocating anything. As I already said, I understand the behavior. I didn't say I accept it and NarutO if they paid their ticket of admission and in their culture booing is an acceptable form of showing displeasure then who are you or I to stop them? If they want to make themselves a mark let them because at the end of the day they are the few. They are by no means representative of the entire scene. We're making a big thing out of nothing. Me or you? No one. But the tournament organizers. If its acceptable in your country to spit on the ground and you paid for that ticket, might as well do it there right? It doesn't matter where you are from or what is acceptable for you. Its about what is acceptable in terms of the event you attend. If MLG would make a rule that prevents people from booing and they should as its inacceptable and shouldn't go without punishment, you better not do it or get kicked out. Your argument is completely unreasonable. Well you were the one who brought region into this and you cannot deny the cultural impact from region to region. In either case we agree to disagree. I find you being just as unreasonable and I'll leave it at that. I gave you a clear answer of who decides to what is acceptable and that certainly is community and even organizers / rules. Not your origin. I don't see how that is unreasonable but you can leave it at that.
At this still? I told you it's both. Where are you? The Wild, Wild West. Who's the organizer? MLG who are North American. Starcraft might be global, but we still have to consider where we at the same time to understand the different customs we see whether we find them inappropriate or not.
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On March 17 2013 23:59 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 23:49 HeeroFX wrote:
THe way MC tore MVP apart makes me believe MC will win this. Flash looks very strong, but honestly he is winning because he simply has better mechanics than everyone he played. im inclined to agree, but sometimes MC can be pretty onedimensional and predictable and he wont be able to take this tournament by using the same builds and strategies he did against MVP in every TvP (and he might have lots of terrans on his way to the final) so if MC basicly only prepared stargate builds and ramp busts, he will get figured out and knocked down. But you never know with MC, he might have a whole deck of Ace builds up his sleeve and yesterday he just played the stargate style several times because it seemed to work and he didnt want to reveal any other builds.
I think this will be exactly the case. If Bomber has at all paid attention to MC's style in general and yesterday's games in particular, he will expect more of the same and be better prepared than MVP. Either MC keeps doing all-ins and fails, or he will have to prove his standard game is better than Bomber's.
I think MVP's downfall is usually his early greedy play getting punished. He too is one-dimensional and almost always opens up with some limited harassment while ramping up his economy and production. If his opponent shrugs of the harassment meant to contain him and follows up with a strong attack, or opens up with strong and effective aggression, MVP is usually in trouble.
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Rain vs Bogus will be a pretty good matchup. Bogus shows brilliance, but Rain is more solid. I feel Bogus has better chance in this particular series, but Rain has better chance to win the whole thing. Because Rain can maintain the level he plays for almost every game, but Bogus's brilliance can drop significantly if countered correctly.
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