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On March 18 2013 00:00 govie wrote: Yankees are wierd folks. They pay for a ticket to "boo boo" topplayers too make them feel awefull..... It's stupid and could be called matchfixing
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3 protos 4 terran 1 zerg
Protos and terran balance seems ok. Life showed in the showmatch against flash that speedmedivac and widowmines dont have to be a problem. But there are certain timings some mediocre zergs cant properly respond too as of yet. So as i see it, there are two possibilities :
1. The best players are just not zerg, it's a logical conclusion (except for 2 maybe 3 zergs) 2. Zerg has problems with some timingwindow's, which they cant respond too without falling to far behind economiccaly.
The real reason is that the korean qualifiers were played in the beta back when TvZ was massivley broken (i think the TvZ winrate was around 85% in favor of terran at that point) so many of the top zergs that you would expect to see in a tournament like this didnt manage to qualify.
Thx for the info. Didnt know that But still the question remaines if zerg is mechanically broken or that most zerg players arent top notch like life. If life wins this tournament, mediocre zergs have a real problem tho
I feel like your "everywhere else" excludes the entirety of Asia and large parts of Europe, and a wide variety of sports in which you almost certainly would get kicked out for booing.
So when AC Milan plays Barcelona and Barcelona fans boo at the Milan players, the fans would get kicked out?
Football |= StarCraft.
Americans booing a Korean raping a Dutch player makes no sense. Its not like this even was in Holland and the dutch crowed was booing any opponent of Ret. That would make sense, but not booing the best player in RTS history destorying a mediocre Non-American!
It does not matter if it makes sense. If some idiots want to boo because they see their fav. player getting destroyed, they should do it. It is dumb, yes, but should not be met with a ban.
No they should not. They should stay at home if they can't handle fair competition.
lol I just got a PM from a forum lurker to tell me to stop advocating booing. First of all, I'm not advocating anything. As I already said, I understand the behavior. I didn't say I accept it and NarutO if they paid their ticket of admission and in their culture booing is an acceptable form of showing displeasure then who are you or I to stop them? If they want to make themselves a mark let them because at the end of the day they are the few. They are by no means representative of the entire scene. We're making a big thing out of nothing.
Me or you? No one. But the tournament organizers. If its acceptable in your country to spit on the ground and you paid for that ticket, might as well do it there right? It doesn't matter where you are from or what is acceptable for you. Its about what is acceptable in terms of the event you attend. If MLG would make a rule that prevents people from booing and they should as its inacceptable and shouldn't go without punishment, you better not do it or get kicked out. Your argument is completely unreasonable.
Well you were the one who brought region into this and you cannot deny the cultural impact from region to region. In either case we agree to disagree. I find you being just as unreasonable and I'll leave it at that.
I gave you a clear answer of who decides to what is acceptable and that certainly is community and even organizers / rules. Not your origin. I don't see how that is unreasonable but you can leave it at that.
At this still? I told you it's both. Where are you? The Wild, Wild West. Who's the organizer? MLG who are North American. Starcraft might be global, but we still have to consider where we at the same time to understand the different customs we see whether we find them inappropriate or not.
...and MLG found this instance to be inappropriate.
On March 18 2013 00:00 govie wrote: Yankees are wierd folks. They pay for a ticket to "boo boo" topplayers too make them feel awefull..... It's stupid and could be called matchfixing
On topic :
3 protos 4 terran 1 zerg
Protos and terran balance seems ok. Life showed in the showmatch against flash that speedmedivac and widowmines dont have to be a problem. But there are certain timings some mediocre zergs cant properly respond too as of yet. So as i see it, there are two possibilities :
1. The best players are just not zerg, it's a logical conclusion (except for 2 maybe 3 zergs) 2. Zerg has problems with some timingwindow's, which they cant respond too without falling to far behind economiccaly.
3. There were only 2 Korean zergs playing and one got eliminated by another Korean.
On March 18 2013 00:00 govie wrote: Yankees are wierd folks. They pay for a ticket to "boo boo" topplayers too make them feel awefull..... It's stupid and could be called matchfixing
On topic :
3 protos 4 terran 1 zerg
Protos and terran balance seems ok. Life showed in the showmatch against flash that speedmedivac and widowmines dont have to be a problem. But there are certain timings some mediocre zergs cant properly respond too as of yet. So as i see it, there are two possibilities :
1. The best players are just not zerg, it's a logical conclusion (except for 2 maybe 3 zergs) 2. Zerg has problems with some timingwindow's, which they cant respond too without falling to far behind economiccaly.
3. There were only 2 Korean zergs playing and one got eliminated by another Korean.
I dont use the nationality terms. I dont like too put peeps in national boxes. I have the groups zegrs/terrans/tosses
On March 18 2013 00:00 govie wrote: Yankees are wierd folks. They pay for a ticket to "boo boo" topplayers too make them feel awefull..... It's stupid and could be called matchfixing
On topic :
3 protos 4 terran 1 zerg
Protos and terran balance seems ok. Life showed in the showmatch against flash that speedmedivac and widowmines dont have to be a problem. But there are certain timings some mediocre zergs cant properly respond too as of yet. So as i see it, there are two possibilities :
1. The best players are just not zerg, it's a logical conclusion (except for 2 maybe 3 zergs) 2. Zerg has problems with some timingwindow's, which they cant respond too without falling to far behind economiccaly.
3. There were only 2 Korean zergs playing and one got eliminated by another Korean.
On March 18 2013 00:00 govie wrote: Yankees are wierd folks. They pay for a ticket to "boo boo" topplayers too make them feel awefull..... It's stupid and could be called matchfixing
On topic :
3 protos 4 terran 1 zerg
Protos and terran balance seems ok. Life showed in the showmatch against flash that speedmedivac and widowmines dont have to be a problem. But there are certain timings some mediocre zergs cant properly respond too as of yet. So as i see it, there are two possibilities :
1. The best players are just not zerg, it's a logical conclusion (except for 2 maybe 3 zergs) 2. Zerg has problems with some timingwindow's, which they cant respond too without falling to far behind economiccaly.
The real reason is that the korean qualifiers were played in the beta back when TvZ was massivley broken (i think the TvZ winrate was around 85% in favor of terran at that point) so many of the top zergs that you would expect to see in a tournament like this didnt manage to qualify.
Thx for the info. Didnt know that But still the question remaines if zerg is mechanically broken or that most zerg players arent top notch like life. If life wins this tournament, mediocre zergs have a real problem tho
I think there are some imbalances left which affect TvZ (afterburner CD and widow mine splash) in favor of T, but I also think Zerg need to make the greatest changes to their play style with HotS. Almost all their core unit, tactics and strategies have changed.
On March 18 2013 00:00 govie wrote: Yankees are wierd folks. They pay for a ticket to "boo boo" topplayers too make them feel awefull..... It's stupid and could be called matchfixing
On topic :
3 protos 4 terran 1 zerg
Protos and terran balance seems ok. Life showed in the showmatch against flash that speedmedivac and widowmines dont have to be a problem. But there are certain timings some mediocre zergs cant properly respond too as of yet. So as i see it, there are two possibilities :
1. The best players are just not zerg, it's a logical conclusion (except for 2 maybe 3 zergs) 2. Zerg has problems with some timingwindow's, which they cant respond too without falling to far behind economiccaly.
The real reason is that the korean qualifiers were played in the beta back when TvZ was massivley broken (i think the TvZ winrate was around 85% in favor of terran at that point) so many of the top zergs that you would expect to see in a tournament like this didnt manage to qualify.
Thx for the info. Didnt know that But still the question remaines if zerg is mechanically broken or that most zerg players arent top notch like life. If life wins this tournament, mediocre zergs have a real problem tho
its a little early to ask or conclude anything imo, but ZvP looks pretty fine so there is no way zerg as a race is mechanically broken, if anything i guess it comes down to the new terran units/buffs and how they affect the TvZ matchup
On March 18 2013 00:08 edgeOut wrote: Rain vs Bogus will be a pretty good matchup. Bogus shows brilliance, but Rain is more solid. I feel Bogus has better chance in this particular series, but Rain has better chance to win the whole thing. Because Rain can maintain the level he plays for almost every game, but Bogus's brilliance can drop significantly if countered correctly.
I`d say Rain is a more well rounded player with no weaker matchup
Innovation has two crazy good matchups and one significantly weaker one
He would have to get passed Rain, if he does he can take it all, but since its TvP Rain would be favoured here and Flash would also benefit getting Rain rather than the TvT monster Innovation
On March 18 2013 00:08 edgeOut wrote: Rain vs Bogus will be a pretty good matchup. Bogus shows brilliance, but Rain is more solid. I feel Bogus has better chance in this particular series, but Rain has better chance to win the whole thing. Because Rain can maintain the level he plays for almost every game, but Bogus's brilliance can drop significantly if countered correctly.
I`d say Rain is a more well rounded player with no weaker matchup
Innovation has two crazy good matchups and one significantly weaker one
He would have to get passed Rain, if he does he can take it all, but since its TvP Rain would be favoured here and Flash would also benefit getting Rain rather than the TvT monster Innovation
Rain didn't really impress me in his match against Jjakji, with the exception of his nice drop defense (though admittedly on a relatively easy to defend map).
I think Innovation will take this tournament quite easily.
On March 17 2013 23:40 kafkaesque wrote: I thought the boo-discussion was ridiculous and unneccessary, but watching the game and Day9's sad little "Dude, don't boo Flash, he's amazing." really hit me in the guts.
Goes to show you how professional Day9 is, as you could clearly hear his disappointment. I get that whites want other whites to win, but do show some class about it.
I really think it's more of the underdog, David v. Goliath thing, rather than racism...
I was in the crowd, the people who were booing were booing the strength of terran(mostly medivac boost), not koreans or flash, the crowd loved flash
Great, so it's going to be thanks to people like that, that we get medivac speed / widow mines / oracle / everything else cool nerfed and we'll be left with more boring nr15 games
On March 18 2013 00:08 edgeOut wrote: Rain vs Bogus will be a pretty good matchup. Bogus shows brilliance, but Rain is more solid. I feel Bogus has better chance in this particular series, but Rain has better chance to win the whole thing. Because Rain can maintain the level he plays for almost every game, but Bogus's brilliance can drop significantly if countered correctly.
I`d say Rain is a more well rounded player with no weaker matchup
Innovation has two crazy good matchups and one significantly weaker one
He would have to get passed Rain, if he does he can take it all, but since its TvP Rain would be favoured here and Flash would also benefit getting Rain rather than the TvT monster Innovation
Rain didn't really impress me in his match against Jjakji, with the exception of his nice drop defense (though admittedly on a relatively easy to defend map).
I think Innovation will take this tournament quite easily.
On March 18 2013 00:08 edgeOut wrote: Rain vs Bogus will be a pretty good matchup. Bogus shows brilliance, but Rain is more solid. I feel Bogus has better chance in this particular series, but Rain has better chance to win the whole thing. Because Rain can maintain the level he plays for almost every game, but Bogus's brilliance can drop significantly if countered correctly.
I`d say Rain is a more well rounded player with no weaker matchup
Innovation has two crazy good matchups and one significantly weaker one
He would have to get passed Rain, if he does he can take it all, but since its TvP Rain would be favoured here and Flash would also benefit getting Rain rather than the TvT monster Innovation
Rain didn't really impress me in his match against Jjakji, with the exception of his nice drop defense (though admittedly on a relatively easy to defend map).
I think Innovation will take this tournament quite easily.
Yeah that was an awfully close series.
maybe you are being sarcastic but it was not a close series, the games Rain lost he threw away completley or just missed a couple of forcefields, and in the ones he won he looked dominant during the entire games. there was never a point where they where toe to toe, jjaki never really looked dominant, it was either Rain who was completley dominant or making bad mistakes. the outcome of the series was completley based on his performance.
On March 18 2013 00:08 edgeOut wrote: Rain vs Bogus will be a pretty good matchup. Bogus shows brilliance, but Rain is more solid. I feel Bogus has better chance in this particular series, but Rain has better chance to win the whole thing. Because Rain can maintain the level he plays for almost every game, but Bogus's brilliance can drop significantly if countered correctly.
I`d say Rain is a more well rounded player with no weaker matchup
Innovation has two crazy good matchups and one significantly weaker one
He would have to get passed Rain, if he does he can take it all, but since its TvP Rain would be favoured here and Flash would also benefit getting Rain rather than the TvT monster Innovation
Rain didn't really impress me in his match against Jjakji, with the exception of his nice drop defense (though admittedly on a relatively easy to defend map).
I think Innovation will take this tournament quite easily.
Last is going sneaky to the finals and then ppl still wonder who he is, after he takes the money and plane back home.
i guess im trying to say that if one player dominates in three games where the opponant is pretty much unable to hurt him in any way, but also manages to throw away two games, basicly costing himself two losses, its still a one sided series because the results where completley based on the performance of one player only. the 3-2 result had nothing to do with jjaki playing better in the matches he won, rain basicly gave them away.
a "close series" is when the games are back and forth and both players are on equal ground for most of the time. that wasnt the case in that series.
On March 18 2013 00:08 edgeOut wrote: Rain vs Bogus will be a pretty good matchup. Bogus shows brilliance, but Rain is more solid. I feel Bogus has better chance in this particular series, but Rain has better chance to win the whole thing. Because Rain can maintain the level he plays for almost every game, but Bogus's brilliance can drop significantly if countered correctly.
I`d say Rain is a more well rounded player with no weaker matchup
Innovation has two crazy good matchups and one significantly weaker one
He would have to get passed Rain, if he does he can take it all, but since its TvP Rain would be favoured here and Flash would also benefit getting Rain rather than the TvT monster Innovation
Rain didn't really impress me in his match against Jjakji, with the exception of his nice drop defense (though admittedly on a relatively easy to defend map).
I think Innovation will take this tournament quite easily.
Yeah that was an awfully close series.
maybe you are being sarcastic but it was not a close series, the games Rain lost he threw away completley or just missed a couple of forcefields, and in the ones he won he looked dominant during the entire games. there was never a point where they where toe to toe, jjaki never really looked dominant, it was either Rain who was completley dominant or making bad mistakes. the outcome of the series was completley based on his performance.
Yes, and those mistakes factor in to his performance and at least in result made it a close series.
On March 18 2013 00:08 edgeOut wrote: Rain vs Bogus will be a pretty good matchup. Bogus shows brilliance, but Rain is more solid. I feel Bogus has better chance in this particular series, but Rain has better chance to win the whole thing. Because Rain can maintain the level he plays for almost every game, but Bogus's brilliance can drop significantly if countered correctly.
I`d say Rain is a more well rounded player with no weaker matchup
Innovation has two crazy good matchups and one significantly weaker one
He would have to get passed Rain, if he does he can take it all, but since its TvP Rain would be favoured here and Flash would also benefit getting Rain rather than the TvT monster Innovation
Rain didn't really impress me in his match against Jjakji, with the exception of his nice drop defense (though admittedly on a relatively easy to defend map).
I think Innovation will take this tournament quite easily.
Yeah that was an awfully close series.
maybe you are being sarcastic but it was not a close series, the games Rain lost he threw away completley or just missed a couple of forcefields, and in the ones he won he looked dominant during the entire games. there was never a point where they where toe to toe, jjaki never really looked dominant, it was either Rain who was completley dominant or making bad mistakes. the outcome of the series was completley based on his performance.
On March 18 2013 00:12 govie wrote: I dont use the nationality terms. I dont like too put peeps in national boxes. I have the groups zegrs/terrans/tosses
On March 18 2013 00:00 govie wrote: Yankees are wierd folks. They pay for a ticket to "boo boo" topplayers too make them feel awefull..... It's stupid and could be called matchfixing
On topic :
3 protos 4 terran 1 zerg
Protos and terran balance seems ok. Life showed in the showmatch against flash that speedmedivac and widowmines dont have to be a problem. But there are certain timings some mediocre zergs cant properly respond too as of yet. So as i see it, there are two possibilities :
1. The best players are just not zerg, it's a logical conclusion (except for 2 maybe 3 zergs) 2. Zerg has problems with some timingwindow's, which they cant respond too without falling to far behind economiccaly.
3. There were only 2 Korean top tier zergs playing and one got eliminated by another Korean top tier player.
On March 18 2013 00:08 edgeOut wrote: Rain vs Bogus will be a pretty good matchup. Bogus shows brilliance, but Rain is more solid. I feel Bogus has better chance in this particular series, but Rain has better chance to win the whole thing. Because Rain can maintain the level he plays for almost every game, but Bogus's brilliance can drop significantly if countered correctly.
I`d say Rain is a more well rounded player with no weaker matchup
Innovation has two crazy good matchups and one significantly weaker one
He would have to get passed Rain, if he does he can take it all, but since its TvP Rain would be favoured here and Flash would also benefit getting Rain rather than the TvT monster Innovation
Rain didn't really impress me in his match against Jjakji, with the exception of his nice drop defense (though admittedly on a relatively easy to defend map).
I think Innovation will take this tournament quite easily.
Last is going sneaky to the finals and then ppl still wonder who he is, after he takes the money and plane back home.
I wouldn't be all that surprised. I think he might defeat Life in the closest series left to play, but I don't know enough about his skills to put him above Bomber and Innovation, who I have pegged as the finalists.
EPT
But still the question remaines if zerg is mechanically broken or that most zerg players arent top notch like life. If life wins this tournament, mediocre zergs have a real problem tho
