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The usual: Don't flame casters or players. Don't discuss balance in this or any LR thread. Don't call your fellow posters idiots. Be excited, happy and entertained.
sc2holar
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1637 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-17 15:44:55
March 17 2013 15:41 GMT
#301
On March 18 2013 00:33 Giriath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 00:28 sc2holar wrote:
On March 18 2013 00:24 StarStruck wrote:
On March 18 2013 00:23 Giriath wrote:
On March 18 2013 00:19 Inzan1ty wrote:
On March 18 2013 00:08 edgeOut wrote:
Rain vs Bogus will be a pretty good matchup. Bogus shows brilliance, but Rain is more solid. I feel Bogus has better chance in this particular series, but Rain has better chance to win the whole thing. Because Rain can maintain the level he plays for almost every game, but Bogus's brilliance can drop significantly if countered correctly.


I`d say Rain is a more well rounded player with no weaker matchup

Innovation has two crazy good matchups and one significantly weaker one

He would have to get passed Rain, if he does he can take it all, but since its TvP Rain would be favoured here and Flash would also benefit getting Rain rather than the TvT monster Innovation


Rain didn't really impress me in his match against Jjakji, with the exception of his nice drop defense (though admittedly on a relatively easy to defend map).

I think Innovation will take this tournament quite easily.


Yeah that was an awfully close series.

maybe you are being sarcastic but it was not a close series, the games Rain lost he threw away completley or just missed a couple of forcefields, and in the ones he won he looked dominant during the entire games. there was never a point where they where toe to toe, jjaki never really looked dominant, it was either Rain who was completley dominant or making bad mistakes. the outcome of the series was completley based on his performance.


Yes, and those mistakes factor in to his performance and at least in result made it a close series.


i think that when going into the ace match and the casters say "so this basicly comes down to if rain will manage to play standard and dominate like he did in the first games, or lose because he misses his forcewield window like in the last game, or makes some other crucial mistake", you pretty much have the opposite of a close series. and in the ace match Rain played his standard build and dominated, jjaki looked impotent during the entire last game.

the series was pretty much as one sided as one can be since every match result was the direct cause of rains decisions and play. it was not because of jjijaki it ended up a 3-2, wich might look like a close series on paper.
you no take candle
PresenceSc2
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4032 Posts
March 17 2013 15:43 GMT
#302
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Sick MC cheerful

Credit goes to Greatwhitesi
Stephano//HerO//TaeJa//Squirtle//Bomber
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
March 17 2013 15:43 GMT
#303
On March 18 2013 00:36 Giriath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 00:30 Lysanias wrote:
On March 18 2013 00:23 Giriath wrote:
On March 18 2013 00:19 Inzan1ty wrote:
On March 18 2013 00:08 edgeOut wrote:
Rain vs Bogus will be a pretty good matchup. Bogus shows brilliance, but Rain is more solid. I feel Bogus has better chance in this particular series, but Rain has better chance to win the whole thing. Because Rain can maintain the level he plays for almost every game, but Bogus's brilliance can drop significantly if countered correctly.


I`d say Rain is a more well rounded player with no weaker matchup

Innovation has two crazy good matchups and one significantly weaker one

He would have to get passed Rain, if he does he can take it all, but since its TvP Rain would be favoured here and Flash would also benefit getting Rain rather than the TvT monster Innovation


Rain didn't really impress me in his match against Jjakji, with the exception of his nice drop defense (though admittedly on a relatively easy to defend map).

I think Innovation will take this tournament quite easily.


Last is going sneaky to the finals and then ppl still wonder who he is, after he takes the money and plane back home.


I wouldn't be all that surprised. I think he might defeat Life in the closest series left to play, but I don't know enough about his skills to put him above Bomber and Innovation, who I have pegged as the finalists.


Could go along with Innovation, but for history reasons i keep an eye closed on bomber bombing out again.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
March 17 2013 15:45 GMT
#304
On March 18 2013 00:43 Lysanias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 00:36 Giriath wrote:
On March 18 2013 00:30 Lysanias wrote:
On March 18 2013 00:23 Giriath wrote:
On March 18 2013 00:19 Inzan1ty wrote:
On March 18 2013 00:08 edgeOut wrote:
Rain vs Bogus will be a pretty good matchup. Bogus shows brilliance, but Rain is more solid. I feel Bogus has better chance in this particular series, but Rain has better chance to win the whole thing. Because Rain can maintain the level he plays for almost every game, but Bogus's brilliance can drop significantly if countered correctly.


I`d say Rain is a more well rounded player with no weaker matchup

Innovation has two crazy good matchups and one significantly weaker one

He would have to get passed Rain, if he does he can take it all, but since its TvP Rain would be favoured here and Flash would also benefit getting Rain rather than the TvT monster Innovation


Rain didn't really impress me in his match against Jjakji, with the exception of his nice drop defense (though admittedly on a relatively easy to defend map).

I think Innovation will take this tournament quite easily.


Last is going sneaky to the finals and then ppl still wonder who he is, after he takes the money and plane back home.


I wouldn't be all that surprised. I think he might defeat Life in the closest series left to play, but I don't know enough about his skills to put him above Bomber and Innovation, who I have pegged as the finalists.


Could go along with Innovation, but for history reasons i keep an eye closed on bomber bombing out again.



It's really hard being a fan of Bomber. s;
Taipoka
Profile Joined November 2012
Brazil1224 Posts
March 17 2013 15:46 GMT
#305
On March 18 2013 00:35 DusTerr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 00:12 govie wrote:
I dont use the nationality terms. I dont like too put peeps in national boxes. I have the groups zegrs/terrans/tosses

Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 00:10 DusTerr wrote:
On March 18 2013 00:00 govie wrote:
Yankees are wierd folks. They pay for a ticket to "boo boo" topplayers too make them feel awefull..... It's stupid and could be called matchfixing

On topic :

3 protos
4 terran
1 zerg

Protos and terran balance seems ok. Life showed in the showmatch against flash that speedmedivac and widowmines dont have to be a problem. But there are certain timings some mediocre zergs cant properly respond too as of yet. So as i see it, there are two possibilities :

1. The best players are just not zerg, it's a logical conclusion (except for 2 maybe 3 zergs)
2. Zerg has problems with some timingwindow's, which they cant respond too without falling to far behind economiccaly.

3. There were only 2 Korean top tier zergs playing and one got eliminated by another Korean top tier player.

Better?

In Starcraft its impossible to analyse something, without pointing koreans != rest of the world.
Its like NBA ~ 10 years back, before we have some good europeans in NBA.
And in the 7th day, Flash stopped macroing the universe.
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-17 15:47:09
March 17 2013 15:46 GMT
#306
I really wonder why so many tournaments have a "starting at this local hour" instead of a clock counting down.
A really easy thing to add you think..

On March 18 2013 00:45 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 00:43 Lysanias wrote:
On March 18 2013 00:36 Giriath wrote:
On March 18 2013 00:30 Lysanias wrote:
On March 18 2013 00:23 Giriath wrote:
On March 18 2013 00:19 Inzan1ty wrote:
On March 18 2013 00:08 edgeOut wrote:
Rain vs Bogus will be a pretty good matchup. Bogus shows brilliance, but Rain is more solid. I feel Bogus has better chance in this particular series, but Rain has better chance to win the whole thing. Because Rain can maintain the level he plays for almost every game, but Bogus's brilliance can drop significantly if countered correctly.


I`d say Rain is a more well rounded player with no weaker matchup

Innovation has two crazy good matchups and one significantly weaker one

He would have to get passed Rain, if he does he can take it all, but since its TvP Rain would be favoured here and Flash would also benefit getting Rain rather than the TvT monster Innovation


Rain didn't really impress me in his match against Jjakji, with the exception of his nice drop defense (though admittedly on a relatively easy to defend map).

I think Innovation will take this tournament quite easily.


Last is going sneaky to the finals and then ppl still wonder who he is, after he takes the money and plane back home.


I wouldn't be all that surprised. I think he might defeat Life in the closest series left to play, but I don't know enough about his skills to put him above Bomber and Innovation, who I have pegged as the finalists.


Could go along with Innovation, but for history reasons i keep an eye closed on bomber bombing out again.



It's really hard being a fan of Bomber. s;


He keeps it interesting and to spot out fake fans
The curse is real
foxHC
Profile Joined March 2013
Norway20 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-17 15:49:56
March 17 2013 15:47 GMT
#307
Hmmm

The players are bad, the casters are bad, terran is imbalanced, my fellow posters are idiots, im not excited/happy and entertained.

Nevermind, im glued to the screen 45 minutes before it even starts and can hardly wait for quarter finals. Lets see if Life can get past Last's abusive playstyle

Also very excited for rain vs innovation....raid looked ROCK solid last night, lets see if he can do it again today.
sc2holar
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1637 Posts
March 17 2013 15:48 GMT
#308
On March 18 2013 00:46 Tobblish wrote:
I really wonder why so many tournaments have a "starting at this local hour" instead of a clock counting down.
A really easy thing to add you think..

they rely on TL to do that for them, wich i dont really mind since its easier to just look at the right bar on the top of the page than having to go to some tournaments website.
you no take candle
Giriath
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden2412 Posts
March 17 2013 15:54 GMT
#309
On March 18 2013 00:41 sc2holar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 00:33 Giriath wrote:
On March 18 2013 00:28 sc2holar wrote:
On March 18 2013 00:24 StarStruck wrote:
On March 18 2013 00:23 Giriath wrote:
On March 18 2013 00:19 Inzan1ty wrote:
On March 18 2013 00:08 edgeOut wrote:
Rain vs Bogus will be a pretty good matchup. Bogus shows brilliance, but Rain is more solid. I feel Bogus has better chance in this particular series, but Rain has better chance to win the whole thing. Because Rain can maintain the level he plays for almost every game, but Bogus's brilliance can drop significantly if countered correctly.


I`d say Rain is a more well rounded player with no weaker matchup

Innovation has two crazy good matchups and one significantly weaker one

He would have to get passed Rain, if he does he can take it all, but since its TvP Rain would be favoured here and Flash would also benefit getting Rain rather than the TvT monster Innovation


Rain didn't really impress me in his match against Jjakji, with the exception of his nice drop defense (though admittedly on a relatively easy to defend map).

I think Innovation will take this tournament quite easily.


Yeah that was an awfully close series.

maybe you are being sarcastic but it was not a close series, the games Rain lost he threw away completley or just missed a couple of forcefields, and in the ones he won he looked dominant during the entire games. there was never a point where they where toe to toe, jjaki never really looked dominant, it was either Rain who was completley dominant or making bad mistakes. the outcome of the series was completley based on his performance.


Yes, and those mistakes factor in to his performance and at least in result made it a close series.


i think that when going into the ace match and the casters say "so this basicly comes down to if rain will manage to play standard and dominate like he did in the first games, or lose because he misses his forcewield window like in the last game, or makes some other crucial mistake", you pretty much have the opposite of a close series. and in the ace match Rain played his standard build and dominated, jjaki looked impotent during the entire last game.

the series was pretty much as one sided as one can be since every match result was the direct cause of rains decisions and play. it was not because of jjijaki it ended up a 3-2, wich might look like a close series on paper.


Personally I'd just keep that as Rain playing better than Jjakji. If a player is impeccable up until the moment they make a huge mistake, while their opponent remains mediocre in comparison throughout, but stable and able to capitalize on that one mistake, it can still be a close series and may even end with the lesser but more stable player winning.

In short, one player may outclass another, but a close result is still a close series—it may be just one more big mistake away from a loss.
Education should be our seniors guiding us to be "who" we want to be, not "what" we want to be.
cmen15
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1519 Posts
March 17 2013 15:54 GMT
#310
Haha loved the Huk interview, dropping life changing bombs.
Greed leads to just about all losses.
Giriath
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden2412 Posts
March 17 2013 15:55 GMT
#311
On March 18 2013 00:47 foxHC wrote:
Hmmm

The players are bad, the casters are bad, terran is imbalanced, my fellow posters are idiots, im not excited/happy and entertained.

Nevermind, im glued to the screen 45 minutes before it even starts and can hardly wait for quarter finals. Lets see if Life can get past Last's abusive playstyle

Also very excited for rain vs innovation....raid looked ROCK solid last night, lets see if he can do it again today.


I think you just managed to break every rule of this thread in one sentence...although with mild language.
Education should be our seniors guiding us to be "who" we want to be, not "what" we want to be.
riotjune
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States3394 Posts
March 17 2013 15:56 GMT
#312
Is this thing going to start or what?

The anticipation is killing me
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
March 17 2013 15:57 GMT
#313
So what order will the games be in?? I want to see a Flash vs Bomber final sooo bad, but MC is one of my favorite players. Tough.
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
March 17 2013 15:57 GMT
#314
3 minutes! who else is excited for MLG!!!
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
March 17 2013 15:58 GMT
#315
On March 18 2013 00:57 Havik_ wrote:
So what order will the games be in?? I want to see a Flash vs Bomber final sooo bad, but MC is one of my favorite players. Tough.


Flash vs Parting and Rain vs Innovation up first.

After that it's Bomber vs MC and Life vs Last. After that all games will be on the red stream.
Giriath
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden2412 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-17 15:59:25
March 17 2013 15:58 GMT
#316
On March 18 2013 00:57 Havik_ wrote:
So what order will the games be in?? I want to see a Flash vs Bomber final sooo bad, but MC is one of my favorite players. Tough.


Flash vs PartinG and Rain vs Innovation is first apparently.

^^Damn you!
Education should be our seniors guiding us to be "who" we want to be, not "what" we want to be.
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-17 15:59:49
March 17 2013 15:58 GMT
#317
On March 18 2013 00:57 Havik_ wrote:
So what order will the games be in?? I want to see a Flash vs Bomber final sooo bad, but MC is one of my favorite players. Tough.


edit fuck nvm.

Already a 15min delay or they are just saying good bye to the pregame show.
The curse is real
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16847 Posts
March 17 2013 15:59 GMT
#318
What games are first???
The Bomber boy
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-17 16:00:44
March 17 2013 16:00 GMT
#319
On March 18 2013 00:36 Giriath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 00:30 Lysanias wrote:
On March 18 2013 00:23 Giriath wrote:
On March 18 2013 00:19 Inzan1ty wrote:
On March 18 2013 00:08 edgeOut wrote:
Rain vs Bogus will be a pretty good matchup. Bogus shows brilliance, but Rain is more solid. I feel Bogus has better chance in this particular series, but Rain has better chance to win the whole thing. Because Rain can maintain the level he plays for almost every game, but Bogus's brilliance can drop significantly if countered correctly.


I`d say Rain is a more well rounded player with no weaker matchup

Innovation has two crazy good matchups and one significantly weaker one

He would have to get passed Rain, if he does he can take it all, but since its TvP Rain would be favoured here and Flash would also benefit getting Rain rather than the TvT monster Innovation


Rain didn't really impress me in his match against Jjakji, with the exception of his nice drop defense (though admittedly on a relatively easy to defend map).

I think Innovation will take this tournament quite easily.


Last is going sneaky to the finals and then ppl still wonder who he is, after he takes the money and plane back home.


I wouldn't be all that surprised. I think he might defeat Life in the closest series left to play, but I don't know enough about his skills to put him above Bomber and Innovation, who I have pegged as the finalists.


I wouldn't put Last anywhere near Life's level in terms of skill, I think he will get smashed 3:0 and at best take one game.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 17 2013 16:00 GMT
#320
On March 18 2013 00:55 Giriath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 00:47 foxHC wrote:
Hmmm

The players are bad, the casters are bad, terran is imbalanced, my fellow posters are idiots, im not excited/happy and entertained.

Nevermind, im glued to the screen 45 minutes before it even starts and can hardly wait for quarter finals. Lets see if Life can get past Last's abusive playstyle

Also very excited for rain vs innovation....raid looked ROCK solid last night, lets see if he can do it again today.


I think you just managed to break every rule of this thread in one sentence...although with mild language.

Pretty sure that was the joke .-.

The matchup I'm most looking forward to is Bomber's, I really want to see if it's the amazing creative Bomber who gives his opponent no chance or if it's the full bomber-bomber who nukes his own army and HSMs out of range and gets all ravens fungaled.
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