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On March 17 2013 07:42 KristofferAG wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 07:40 Kaw wrote:On March 17 2013 07:38 Daralii wrote:On March 17 2013 07:36 Kaw wrote:On March 17 2013 07:34 KristofferAG wrote:On March 17 2013 07:29 Belha wrote:
For the people asking for P cannons vs drops:
That is viable in very lategame, but it is not affordable or efficient at all in early or mid game aganist drop play (korean level). Is a fact not an opinion. Dumb reasoning. No race WANTS to "waste" money on stationary defenses, you're forced to do it because you can't spend the entire game defending. Just like terran is forced into turrets, protoss is being forced into cannons. It's time to adapt. Reaper probe kill yeap! A 3 base protoss isn't going to beat a 4 base terran by spending all of his money on cannons. He also won't win by letting 4 dozen marines land in each of his bases at the same time. I'm open to suggestions but I don't see how trying to play like its BGH is going to help. Why are you making it sound like a couple cannons is the biggest investment in the game? It's not. It's what you have to do to stay alive. Are you really suggesting that a protoss should be allowed to sit safely in their base and not be afraid of any drops when they have zero vision on the map and zero base defenses? Get. Cannons. Or, do like Creator and roll on out of MLG. Aw yiss Polt. Life next!
Against 4 medivac drops a couple cannons aren't going to do much of anything except buy time. I still have to move my whole army up to stop him at which point he teleports to my other base and kills me there.
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On March 17 2013 07:44 Neeh wrote:
So maxed terran just watching his BC's getting pulled out one by one...what's he waiting for? z.z Meanwhile zerg catches up in supply and upgrades, oh and static defenses too :l
he wants to switch to ground right after is my guess seeing all those rax go up
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On March 17 2013 07:40 Falcon_NL wrote:
3 protoss 4 zerg 10 terrans.
And how many games in the Ro32 involving P weren't PvP and were between players of comparable skill?
Every time a P loses everyone on these forums cries. It's a popular race, maybe because the color scheme, or something. I don't know, but you won't cry for long because I am certain a T won't win this tournament. Please quote me on that.
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lol, they want screen time
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On March 17 2013 07:43 SarcasmMonster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 07:40 trinxified wrote:
Speedvacs are fine if only they reduced the movespeed without boost. The only nerf that would fly with me is to add an energy cost. Considering an energy cost would likely end up preventing feedback instagibs, I doubt it'd accomplish anything.
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Newkirk delaying tournament schedules since 2013. :p
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Thorzain and Bomber are putting the Blue stream so far behind schedule
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dat infantry switch coming up
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This is going to be an incredible TvZ. I feel it in my bones.
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Norway25712 Posts
On March 17 2013 07:44 TeeTS wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 07:42 KristofferAG wrote:On March 17 2013 07:40 Kaw wrote:On March 17 2013 07:38 Daralii wrote:On March 17 2013 07:36 Kaw wrote:On March 17 2013 07:34 KristofferAG wrote:On March 17 2013 07:29 Belha wrote:
For the people asking for P cannons vs drops:
That is viable in very lategame, but it is not affordable or efficient at all in early or mid game aganist drop play (korean level). Is a fact not an opinion. Dumb reasoning. No race WANTS to "waste" money on stationary defenses, you're forced to do it because you can't spend the entire game defending. Just like terran is forced into turrets, protoss is being forced into cannons. It's time to adapt. Reaper probe kill yeap! A 3 base protoss isn't going to beat a 4 base terran by spending all of his money on cannons. He also won't win by letting 4 dozen marines land in each of his bases at the same time. I'm open to suggestions but I don't see how trying to play like its BGH is going to help. Why are you making it sound like a couple cannons is the biggest investment in the game? It's not. It's what you have to do to stay alive. Are you really suggesting that a protoss should be allowed to sit safely in their base and not be afraid of any drops when they have zero vision on the map and zero base defenses? Get. Cannons. Or, do like Creator and roll on out of MLG. Aw yiss Polt. Life next! do you ever saw cannons fight marauders? I play terran and smile about every cannon protoss makes.
That's a head-on fight yeah. I'm not saying get cannons on your ramp. I'm saying get cannons in the places where terran will drop.
Possible outcomes:
Medivac takes a couple hits before dropping units. Units attack cannon. You get time to respond. Medivacs are low on health and will not be able to go back in, or if they do there's a greater risk.
Medivac goes down to cannon.
Medivac pulls back because it doesn't want to engage cannon.
Either way it buys you plenty of time to pull back the adequate amount of forces to hold off the drop.
Possible outcomes with zero cannons:
All units in the medivacs are dropped without problems. They continue to stim and destroy your entire base before you have time to respond.
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12k mineral bank for Thorzain lol.
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Killer, please Nydus the main with zerglins !
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I used to be a Thorzain fan, but his play has been getting more and more boring. I just don't understand why he sits in the same position all game long.
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On March 17 2013 07:45 Kaw wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 07:42 KristofferAG wrote:On March 17 2013 07:40 Kaw wrote:On March 17 2013 07:38 Daralii wrote:On March 17 2013 07:36 Kaw wrote:On March 17 2013 07:34 KristofferAG wrote:On March 17 2013 07:29 Belha wrote:
For the people asking for P cannons vs drops:
That is viable in very lategame, but it is not affordable or efficient at all in early or mid game aganist drop play (korean level). Is a fact not an opinion. Dumb reasoning. No race WANTS to "waste" money on stationary defenses, you're forced to do it because you can't spend the entire game defending. Just like terran is forced into turrets, protoss is being forced into cannons. It's time to adapt. Reaper probe kill yeap! A 3 base protoss isn't going to beat a 4 base terran by spending all of his money on cannons. He also won't win by letting 4 dozen marines land in each of his bases at the same time. I'm open to suggestions but I don't see how trying to play like its BGH is going to help. Why are you making it sound like a couple cannons is the biggest investment in the game? It's not. It's what you have to do to stay alive. Are you really suggesting that a protoss should be allowed to sit safely in their base and not be afraid of any drops when they have zero vision on the map and zero base defenses? Get. Cannons. Or, do like Creator and roll on out of MLG. Aw yiss Polt. Life next! Against 4 medivac drops a couple cannons aren't going to do much of anything except buy time. I still have to move my whole army up to stop him at which point he teleports to my other base and kills me there.
I don't know if you got the memo but protoss has recall at cybercore tech now, maybe it's time to start using it.
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On March 17 2013 07:43 Emzeeshady wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 07:42 kollin wrote:On March 17 2013 07:41 dsousa wrote:
I'm done with this tournament if Leenock doesn't beat Bogus. Innovation is probably the better player in WoL, so I would not be surprised if he did. I disagree. Leenock is much better imo edit: I should clarify, I meant at ZvT
Infestors (which were one of Leenock's staple units) aren't nearly as good as they were, and with the medivac buff I think that Innovation should have no problem winning. Even in WoL, where infestors were excellent I think it would have been very hard to call.
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omg... thank you blizzard for fixing ravens :D
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