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Talaris
Profile Joined March 2011
Switzerland766 Posts
March 07 2013 18:08 GMT
#3281
On March 08 2013 02:29 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 02:28 sparklyresidue wrote:
On March 08 2013 02:26 Elite_ wrote:
On March 08 2013 02:21 sitromit wrote:
ZvT win rate 32% so far.

So it's the opposite of the entire 2013 GSL season 1 ZvT win rate (Code A, Code S, Up & Downs combined). Good... (Plus it's Korean Terrans vs. foreign Zergs...)

One imbalance doesn't justify another, read some Gandhi or something.

That's why the "korean" vs "foreign" is important.


Well, if you we want to generalize that much, you could also say that IM vs korean/foreigner is pretty imba atm - 94.5% win ratio for IM; so nerf IM plz ! :o)
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Kergy
Profile Joined December 2010
Peru2011 Posts
March 07 2013 18:18 GMT
#3282
hots is gonna level up the playing field foreginers will catch up guys!!! )))
Everyday Girl's Day~!
Giriath
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden2412 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-07 18:28:52
March 07 2013 18:25 GMT
#3283
Predictions:
Ro12
MaNa > Nerchio
PartinG > Stephano
Sting > Ret (may be close)
First > Dream (close)

Ro8
MVP > MaNa (may be close)
YoDa > PartinG
YongHwa > Sting
Violet > First

Ro4
YongHwa > Violet (may be close)
MVP > YoDa (close)

Finals
YongHwa > MVP (close)

MVP vs YoDa, YongHwa vs Violet and YongHwa vs MVP should be the best series in the tournament.
Education should be our seniors guiding us to be "who" we want to be, not "what" we want to be.
TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
March 07 2013 18:26 GMT
#3284
I implemented a BYE feature, so now you can simulate brackets like these.

http://aligulac.com/predict/sebracket/?bo=5,5,5,7&ps=13,0,26,58,54,0,5,10,20,0,64,208,8,0,109,39

                   Win    Top 2    Top 4    Top 8    Top 16    
---------------------------------------------------------------
Yonghwa 20.22% 15.56% 35.32% 28.89% 0.00%
viOLet 17.70% 11.70% 27.25% 43.36% 0.00%
PartinG 17.17% 10.06% 8.01% 13.44% 51.32%
YoDa 9.96% 8.75% 20.63% 60.66% 0.00%
Stephano 7.35% 7.67% 10.40% 25.90% 48.68%
Nerchio 7.06% 13.92% 29.31% 18.14% 31.56%
First 5.81% 5.23% 7.27% 29.68% 52.01%
Mvp 5.69% 6.97% 20.21% 67.14% 0.00%
Dream 4.60% 8.28% 12.16% 26.96% 47.99%
Sting 2.67% 7.67% 14.60% 59.05% 16.02%
MaNa 1.66% 3.74% 11.44% 14.72% 68.44%
Ret 0.10% 0.46% 3.40% 12.06% 83.98%
Estimated by Aligulac. Twitter.
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Reasonable
Profile Joined September 2010
Ukraine1432 Posts
March 07 2013 18:27 GMT
#3285
Koreans look quite dominant. Hardcore domination. Business as usual.
movac
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada494 Posts
March 07 2013 18:31 GMT
#3286
we could potentially have all IM players in the semi finals.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
March 07 2013 18:33 GMT
#3287
No idea why MaNa comparing to Stephano has so few percent to win, since he went out of his group with 4;1 score, same as ret, lol.
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54785 Posts
March 07 2013 18:34 GMT
#3288
On March 08 2013 03:33 739 wrote:
No idea why MaNa comparing to Stephano has so few percent to win, since he went out of his group with 4;1 score, same as ret, lol.

stats are mostly based on WoL
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iSunrise
Profile Joined June 2011
3302 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-07 18:35:27
March 07 2013 18:34 GMT
#3289
Wow, 14500 people on a rebroadcast. That has to be a record.

If you factor that into the already OK numbers from today, they easily have had 60-70 thousand viewers for this event today.
NKB
Profile Joined February 2012
United Kingdom608 Posts
March 07 2013 18:34 GMT
#3290
Didn't see the games today, have only seen the score, but group D looked like the group slaughter.
Some times you just gotta wish...
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
March 07 2013 18:39 GMT
#3291
On March 08 2013 03:25 Giriath wrote:
Predictions:
Ro12
MaNa > Nerchio
PartinG > Stephano
Sting > Ret (may be close)
First > Dream (close)

Ro8
MVP > MaNa (may be close)
YoDa > PartinG
YongHwa > Sting
Violet > First

Ro4
YongHwa > Violet (may be close)
MVP > YoDa (close)

Finals
YongHwa > MVP (close)

MVP vs YoDa, YongHwa vs Violet and YongHwa vs MVP should be the best series in the tournament.

Those mirror my predictions, though YoDa might get taken out by PartinG in a close series, in which case Mvp will sweep PartinG, same ultimate final, but yeah.
Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
March 07 2013 18:40 GMT
#3292
On March 08 2013 01:42 TimENT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 01:41 mordk wrote:
On March 08 2013 01:40 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Lol Stephano fanboys make me want to puke -.- He loses 2 games against MVP and it's like 30 pages of balance whine, Stephano wins one map and his is a "prodigy" so brilliant and has amazing plays...

I think I'm becoming immune to this bullshittery, good thing, I used to rage all the time when Stephano played because of his fanboys.


This is complete bullshit. People are excited to see new HotS strats. Mvp was playing like a genius. Now we are watching Stephano adapt, and everyone is enjoying it.


Thank you. I'm a bit of a Stephano fanboy myself, but he was playing against the greatest player in sc2 history (who also happens to have a very enjoyable style to watch). When MVP won with drops and picking Steph apart, there wasn't much whine. Only the "Widow Mines counter everything" is an acceptable whine.
shaGuar :: elemeNt :: XeqtR :: naikon :: method
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8324 Posts
March 07 2013 18:42 GMT
#3293
On March 08 2013 02:17 tribulator wrote:
Parting Stephano, oh man... Stephano just got out of the frying pan and tossed straight into a meat grinder. And even if he wins... Yoda.

Ouch.


Yoda's not great. But maybe I'm saying that cause he got Canada'd hard at IPL5.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
March 07 2013 18:43 GMT
#3294
On March 08 2013 03:26 TheBB wrote:
I implemented a BYE feature, so now you can simulate brackets like these.

http://aligulac.com/predict/sebracket/?bo=5,5,5,7&ps=13,0,26,58,54,0,5,10,20,0,64,208,8,0,109,39

                   Win    Top 2    Top 4    Top 8    Top 16    
---------------------------------------------------------------
Yonghwa 20.22% 15.56% 35.32% 28.89% 0.00%
viOLet 17.70% 11.70% 27.25% 43.36% 0.00%
PartinG 17.17% 10.06% 8.01% 13.44% 51.32%
YoDa 9.96% 8.75% 20.63% 60.66% 0.00%
Stephano 7.35% 7.67% 10.40% 25.90% 48.68%
Nerchio 7.06% 13.92% 29.31% 18.14% 31.56%
First 5.81% 5.23% 7.27% 29.68% 52.01%
Mvp 5.69% 6.97% 20.21% 67.14% 0.00%
Dream 4.60% 8.28% 12.16% 26.96% 47.99%
Sting 2.67% 7.67% 14.60% 59.05% 16.02%
MaNa 1.66% 3.74% 11.44% 14.72% 68.44%
Ret 0.10% 0.46% 3.40% 12.06% 83.98%
Estimated by Aligulac. Twitter.

What's the point in trying to predict things on HotS based on (incomplete) WoL stats?
Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-07 18:45:13
March 07 2013 18:44 GMT
#3295
On March 08 2013 03:42 TheDougler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 02:17 tribulator wrote:
Parting Stephano, oh man... Stephano just got out of the frying pan and tossed straight into a meat grinder. And even if he wins... Yoda.

Ouch.


Yoda's not great. But maybe I'm saying that cause he got Canada'd hard at IPL5.


Yoda looked pretty strong yesterday.

Hopefully they'll rebroadcast the champ bracket at a reasonable hour for NA
shaGuar :: elemeNt :: XeqtR :: naikon :: method
TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
March 07 2013 18:44 GMT
#3296
On March 08 2013 03:43 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 03:26 TheBB wrote:
I implemented a BYE feature, so now you can simulate brackets like these.

http://aligulac.com/predict/sebracket/?bo=5,5,5,7&ps=13,0,26,58,54,0,5,10,20,0,64,208,8,0,109,39

                   Win    Top 2    Top 4    Top 8    Top 16    
---------------------------------------------------------------
Yonghwa 20.22% 15.56% 35.32% 28.89% 0.00%
viOLet 17.70% 11.70% 27.25% 43.36% 0.00%
PartinG 17.17% 10.06% 8.01% 13.44% 51.32%
YoDa 9.96% 8.75% 20.63% 60.66% 0.00%
Stephano 7.35% 7.67% 10.40% 25.90% 48.68%
Nerchio 7.06% 13.92% 29.31% 18.14% 31.56%
First 5.81% 5.23% 7.27% 29.68% 52.01%
Mvp 5.69% 6.97% 20.21% 67.14% 0.00%
Dream 4.60% 8.28% 12.16% 26.96% 47.99%
Sting 2.67% 7.67% 14.60% 59.05% 16.02%
MaNa 1.66% 3.74% 11.44% 14.72% 68.44%
Ret 0.10% 0.46% 3.40% 12.06% 83.98%
Estimated by Aligulac. Twitter.

What's the point in trying to predict things on HotS based on (incomplete) WoL stats?

What's the point in trying to predict things across patches? Are you suggesting that absolutely no information carries over? The correlation is weaker, but it's not zero.
http://aligulac.com || Barcraft Switzerland! || Zerg best race. || Stats-poster extraordinaire.
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
March 07 2013 18:49 GMT
#3297
On March 08 2013 03:42 TheDougler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 02:17 tribulator wrote:
Parting Stephano, oh man... Stephano just got out of the frying pan and tossed straight into a meat grinder. And even if he wins... Yoda.

Ouch.


Yoda's not great. But maybe I'm saying that cause he got Canada'd hard at IPL5.

YoDa had trouble with protoss all-ins in WoL... But with widowmines, he might be able to close this hole. His other matchups are really good though, and standard TvP he's fine as well.
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
March 07 2013 18:50 GMT
#3298
On March 08 2013 03:44 TheBB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 03:43 TheDwf wrote:
On March 08 2013 03:26 TheBB wrote:
I implemented a BYE feature, so now you can simulate brackets like these.

http://aligulac.com/predict/sebracket/?bo=5,5,5,7&ps=13,0,26,58,54,0,5,10,20,0,64,208,8,0,109,39

                   Win    Top 2    Top 4    Top 8    Top 16    
---------------------------------------------------------------
Yonghwa 20.22% 15.56% 35.32% 28.89% 0.00%
viOLet 17.70% 11.70% 27.25% 43.36% 0.00%
PartinG 17.17% 10.06% 8.01% 13.44% 51.32%
YoDa 9.96% 8.75% 20.63% 60.66% 0.00%
Stephano 7.35% 7.67% 10.40% 25.90% 48.68%
Nerchio 7.06% 13.92% 29.31% 18.14% 31.56%
First 5.81% 5.23% 7.27% 29.68% 52.01%
Mvp 5.69% 6.97% 20.21% 67.14% 0.00%
Dream 4.60% 8.28% 12.16% 26.96% 47.99%
Sting 2.67% 7.67% 14.60% 59.05% 16.02%
MaNa 1.66% 3.74% 11.44% 14.72% 68.44%
Ret 0.10% 0.46% 3.40% 12.06% 83.98%
Estimated by Aligulac. Twitter.

What's the point in trying to predict things on HotS based on (incomplete) WoL stats?

What's the point in trying to predict things across patches? Are you suggesting that absolutely no information carries over? The correlation is weaker, but it's not zero.

I am suggesting that Mvp 1:3 Nerchio as a R2 median outcome based on what we saw so far seems really off and indicate a weak correlation indeed.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-07 18:51:04
March 07 2013 18:50 GMT
#3299
On March 08 2013 03:44 Crownlol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 03:42 TheDougler wrote:
On March 08 2013 02:17 tribulator wrote:
Parting Stephano, oh man... Stephano just got out of the frying pan and tossed straight into a meat grinder. And even if he wins... Yoda.

Ouch.


Yoda's not great. But maybe I'm saying that cause he got Canada'd hard at IPL5.


Yoda looked pretty strong yesterday.

Hopefully they'll rebroadcast the champ bracket at a reasonable hour for NA

It's pretty much the same as every other day. Tomorrow's schedule

http://us.intelextrememasters.com/season7/world-championship-2013/

08:30 GMT (+00:00)
MaNa vs. Nerchio - Round of 16

09:55 GMT (+00:00)
PartinG vs. Stephano - Round of 16

11:20 GMT (+00:00)
Sting vs. ret - Round of 16

13:00 GMT (+00:00)
Dream vs. First - Round of 16

16:00 GMT (+00:00)
Quarterfinal - #2

Another random gap in the schedule at 9/10 EST again like the schedule had today which caused all that omg Mvp vs Stephano not being shown!? so I'm guessing Quarterfinal 1 is at that time
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TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
March 07 2013 18:53 GMT
#3300
On March 08 2013 03:50 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 03:44 TheBB wrote:
On March 08 2013 03:43 TheDwf wrote:
On March 08 2013 03:26 TheBB wrote:
I implemented a BYE feature, so now you can simulate brackets like these.

http://aligulac.com/predict/sebracket/?bo=5,5,5,7&ps=13,0,26,58,54,0,5,10,20,0,64,208,8,0,109,39

                   Win    Top 2    Top 4    Top 8    Top 16    
---------------------------------------------------------------
Yonghwa 20.22% 15.56% 35.32% 28.89% 0.00%
viOLet 17.70% 11.70% 27.25% 43.36% 0.00%
PartinG 17.17% 10.06% 8.01% 13.44% 51.32%
YoDa 9.96% 8.75% 20.63% 60.66% 0.00%
Stephano 7.35% 7.67% 10.40% 25.90% 48.68%
Nerchio 7.06% 13.92% 29.31% 18.14% 31.56%
First 5.81% 5.23% 7.27% 29.68% 52.01%
Mvp 5.69% 6.97% 20.21% 67.14% 0.00%
Dream 4.60% 8.28% 12.16% 26.96% 47.99%
Sting 2.67% 7.67% 14.60% 59.05% 16.02%
MaNa 1.66% 3.74% 11.44% 14.72% 68.44%
Ret 0.10% 0.46% 3.40% 12.06% 83.98%
Estimated by Aligulac. Twitter.

What's the point in trying to predict things on HotS based on (incomplete) WoL stats?

What's the point in trying to predict things across patches? Are you suggesting that absolutely no information carries over? The correlation is weaker, but it's not zero.

I am suggesting that Mvp 1:3 Nerchio as a R2 median outcome based on what we saw so far seems really off and indicate a weak correlation indeed.

Well of course. Congratulations, you can use your head. I'm not sure what we are discussing here.

On February 03 2013 02:50 Heartland wrote:
I think what's cool and great about this work is that it does what statistics are good for. They give you the ability to create data and then to look at it critically. But maybe people in this thread confuse statistics with the Truth with a capital p (sic). That's not the way you should read statistics, whether in the morning paper or on TL. Rather statistics can make us think about deeper connections that we haven't seen before, twist and turn around concepts and play with them through statistical models. They're not meant to say "Scarlett should be in Code S." Obviously there are flaws or issues with these stats, but it's common for statistics everywhere. What you can do with that is to add or change some modifier, let it meet other forms of reasoning or to extrapolate on what we take for granted.

So yeah, tl;dr, lies, damn lies and statistics are the case with all stats but it's not the point of stats.
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