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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13023 Posts
March 07 2013 17:29 GMT
#3241
On March 08 2013 02:28 sparklyresidue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 02:26 Elite_ wrote:
On March 08 2013 02:21 sitromit wrote:
ZvT win rate 32% so far.

So it's the opposite of the entire 2013 GSL season 1 ZvT win rate (Code A, Code S, Up & Downs combined). Good... (Plus it's Korean Terrans vs. foreign Zergs...)

One imbalance doesn't justify another, read some Gandhi or something.

That's why the "korean" vs "foreign" is important.
WriterMaru
Elite_
Profile Joined June 2012
United States4259 Posts
March 07 2013 17:30 GMT
#3242
On March 08 2013 02:26 Chronos. wrote:
So for all four groups, the number of Korean vs Foreigner wins are:

Korean: 30 Foreigners: 4

Pretty crazy. Don't see much hope for any foreigners getting to semi finals, but I'll keep hoping.

5... Grubby and Stephano > Golden, Ret > MC and First, MaNa > Sting... Count again.
Naphal
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany2099 Posts
March 07 2013 17:30 GMT
#3243
On March 08 2013 02:29 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 02:28 sparklyresidue wrote:
On March 08 2013 02:26 Elite_ wrote:
On March 08 2013 02:21 sitromit wrote:
ZvT win rate 32% so far.

So it's the opposite of the entire 2013 GSL season 1 ZvT win rate (Code A, Code S, Up & Downs combined). Good... (Plus it's Korean Terrans vs. foreign Zergs...)

One imbalance doesn't justify another, read some Gandhi or something.

That's why the "korean" vs "foreign" is important.


nono blizzard likes to balance the game around Mvp and foreign zergs ~~
Prplppleatr
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1518 Posts
March 07 2013 17:31 GMT
#3244
no VOD;s?

went to the same sight and only 3 games are there
🥇 Prediction Contest - Mess with the best, die like the rest.
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
March 07 2013 17:31 GMT
#3245
On March 08 2013 02:28 sparklyresidue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 02:26 Elite_ wrote:
On March 08 2013 02:21 sitromit wrote:
ZvT win rate 32% so far.

So it's the opposite of the entire 2013 GSL season 1 ZvT win rate (Code A, Code S, Up & Downs combined). Good... (Plus it's Korean Terrans vs. foreign Zergs...)

One imbalance doesn't justify another, read some Gandhi or something.


Didn't know ghandi was casting sc2.
Terran & Potato Salad.
Elite_
Profile Joined June 2012
United States4259 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-07 17:33:10
March 07 2013 17:31 GMT
#3246
On March 08 2013 02:31 Prplppleatr wrote:
no VOD;s?

went to the same sight and only 3 games are there

http://www.twitch.tv/esltv_sc2/videos?kind=past_broadcasts&page=1 Watch one series, the top two will be named correctly by then.
Zane
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania3916 Posts
March 07 2013 17:32 GMT
#3247
On March 08 2013 02:29 Kasaraki wrote:
Hmm, I predict Mvp vs YongHwa finals. ;o

It should be pretty epic.
Ace Frehley
Profile Joined December 2012
2030 Posts
March 07 2013 17:32 GMT
#3248
On March 08 2013 02:24 Elite_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 02:23 Musicus wrote:
brackets

http://www.esl-world.net/masters/season7/hanover/sc2/playoffs/rankings/

Love the American in the tournament.

Violet for Muricaaaa!!
...
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
March 07 2013 17:32 GMT
#3249
On March 08 2013 02:25 sibs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 02:15 Undead1993 wrote:
On March 08 2013 02:07 sibs wrote:
On March 08 2013 02:05 BigFan wrote:
he had that game but then gave it away ><


he never had the game, are we watching the same game?

this stephano hate is so ridiculous he was in a very commanding position after the first big fight and had a huge supply lead. ithink you are wathcing another game


I'm not a stephano hater, I'm just saying he was never in a position to close the game, he tried with better supply/upgrades and got laughed at pretty much, I did think stephano played better than dream but hey...



Stephano could have won if he had pushed hard once his second wave of Ultras had arrived. The first wave stopped Dream's big push by arriving in the nick of time. Apollo and ToD were talking about how Stephano was in such a strong position because he had lots of fully upgraded Ultras, had just crushed Dream's main army and had a big upgrade advantage and a bank. Stephano did not push though, hence Apollo talking about how Stephano's army getting weaker over time as Dream caught up on upgrades. ToD was talking about the upgrade difference between the two as well. Did you stop watching the game for ten minutes or something? Stephano clearly was in a position to win at that point, but he did not know it and so sat back.
Gorlin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2753 Posts
March 07 2013 17:33 GMT
#3250
The Ro12 looks awesome, not sure how to predict most of it.
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
March 07 2013 17:36 GMT
#3251
My predictions:

Mana>Nerchio
Stephano>Parting
Sting>Ret
Dream>First

Mvp>Mana
Yoda>Stephano
YongHwa>Sting
Violet>Dream

Yoda>Mvp
Violet>YongHwa

Yoda>Violet

Yoda is our IEM WC Champion!
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-07 17:39:07
March 07 2013 17:36 GMT
#3252
On March 08 2013 02:25 sibs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 02:15 Undead1993 wrote:
On March 08 2013 02:07 sibs wrote:
On March 08 2013 02:05 BigFan wrote:
he had that game but then gave it away ><


he never had the game, are we watching the same game?

this stephano hate is so ridiculous he was in a very commanding position after the first big fight and had a huge supply lead. ithink you are wathcing another game


I'm not a stephano hater, I'm just saying he was never in a position to close the game, he tried with better supply/upgrades and got laughed at pretty much, I did think stephano played better than dream but hey...



Actually, just looking at the supply can be misleading. Dream was up 30 supply at one point but it was because Stephano was banking for Ultras. And same for Stephano, he was up 20ish supply after his ultras won. But we have to remember he had quite a few Ultras are near half health. Which means out of the 50/60 supply of Ultras, they were really only worth 30/40 supply. They went down really fast when he try to push into the base.

This is actually like in WoL PvT. Sometimes you will see terrans engage, stim and get storm (but not a lot of units die) and win the fight. They look like they are up 30 ish supply. But the regroup and engage again and their supply just melts to 1-2 more storms. Then people said Terran got crushed even 30 supply up. But in truth, maybe 50% of the army was in the red/orange and the medivacs had no more energy. So they weren't really up a true 30 supply.
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
March 07 2013 17:36 GMT
#3253
On March 08 2013 02:31 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 02:28 sparklyresidue wrote:
On March 08 2013 02:26 Elite_ wrote:
On March 08 2013 02:21 sitromit wrote:
ZvT win rate 32% so far.

So it's the opposite of the entire 2013 GSL season 1 ZvT win rate (Code A, Code S, Up & Downs combined). Good... (Plus it's Korean Terrans vs. foreign Zergs...)

One imbalance doesn't justify another, read some Gandhi or something.


Didn't know ghandi was casting sc2.


we all have hobby's, don't judge mkey ?
Elite_
Profile Joined June 2012
United States4259 Posts
March 07 2013 17:36 GMT
#3254
Poor YoDa... This IEM and Katowice he places first in his group just to meet PartinG in the quarterfinals...
Vanadiel
Profile Joined April 2012
France961 Posts
March 07 2013 17:38 GMT
#3255
To be honest, Parting PvZ wasn't impressive in groupe stage, he barely won against Nerchio, but maybe he was jet lagged or just not enough prepared, but I don't think the Parting we saw was in an other league than Stephano.
essencez
Profile Joined February 2012
342 Posts
March 07 2013 17:44 GMT
#3256
Predictions;

Nerchio>Mana
Stephano>Parting
Ret>Sting
First>Dream

Mvp>Nerchio
Yoda>Stephano
Ret>YongHwa
Violet>First

Yoda>Mvp
Ret>Violet

Yoda wins IEM.

essence.gg - "Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
March 07 2013 17:44 GMT
#3257
On March 08 2013 02:36 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 02:25 sibs wrote:
On March 08 2013 02:15 Undead1993 wrote:
On March 08 2013 02:07 sibs wrote:
On March 08 2013 02:05 BigFan wrote:
he had that game but then gave it away ><


he never had the game, are we watching the same game?

this stephano hate is so ridiculous he was in a very commanding position after the first big fight and had a huge supply lead. ithink you are wathcing another game


I'm not a stephano hater, I'm just saying he was never in a position to close the game, he tried with better supply/upgrades and got laughed at pretty much, I did think stephano played better than dream but hey...



Actually, just looking at the supply can be misleading. Dream was up 30 supply at one point but it was because Stephano was banking for Ultras. And same for Stephano, he was up 20ish supply after his ultras won. But we have to remember he had quite a few Ultras are near half health. Which means out of the 50/60 supply of Ultras, they were really only worth 30/40 supply. They went down really fast when he try to push into the base.

Because he pushed 10 seconds before 5/3.
danl9rm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States3111 Posts
March 07 2013 17:45 GMT
#3258
On whether or not HoTS is more entertaining than WoL, too bad I can't change my vote from "Not enough information" to "Yes."
"Science has so well established that the preborn baby in the womb is a living human being that most pro-choice activists have conceded the point. ..since the abortion proponents have lost the science argument, they are now advocating an existential one."
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
March 07 2013 17:46 GMT
#3259
On March 08 2013 02:25 Zzoram wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 02:22 forsooth wrote:
On March 08 2013 02:21 sitromit wrote:
ZvT win rate 32% so far.

It's almost like the Terrans at the event are Korean or something.


People always forget that Korean Terrans have always made Terran look imbalanced even when Terran was at it's lowest point.

It's not Korea's fault that they are so much better at Terran than the rest of the world. Lucifron placed bottom of his group and Kas placed second last despite both of them being among the top EU Terrans.


There really are 4 races in SC2. They are zerg, protoss, Korean terran and foreign terran.
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-07 17:47:50
March 07 2013 17:47 GMT
#3260
On March 08 2013 02:25 sibs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 02:15 Undead1993 wrote:
On March 08 2013 02:07 sibs wrote:
On March 08 2013 02:05 BigFan wrote:
he had that game but then gave it away ><


he never had the game, are we watching the same game?

this stephano hate is so ridiculous he was in a very commanding position after the first big fight and had a huge supply lead. ithink you are wathcing another game


I'm not a stephano hater, I'm just saying he was never in a position to close the game, he tried with better supply/upgrades and got laughed at pretty much, I did think stephano played better than dream but hey...


Stephano spent a good portion of the game plodding his ultras around in the middle of nowhere while he had a significant upgrade advantage. Ultras are a unit you use to press an advantage and close a game out because while they are strong, they can be dealt with easily if you give your opponent time to adjust their unit composition. Stephano made that mistake and paid for it in the end. I'd hardly call that playing better.
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