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[MLG] Vibe vs Illusion - Dallas Qualifier Day 25

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Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States248 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-06 00:02:56
March 05 2013 21:56 GMT
#1
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During the MLG Winter Season Showdowns, 56 of the world's best StarCraft II players will compete in Heart of the Swarm. Each player will compete in 1 best-of-5 Showdown Match, with each winner receiving a paid trip to compete in the MLG Winter Championship. Tune in and watch every match in FREE 1080p HD at www.majorleaguegaming.com and on Twitch.TV.

(Wiki)2013 MLG Winter Championship/Showdowns

Schedule/VODS
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Parting vs FanTaSy - Game 1 Game 2 Game 3 Game 4 Game 5
RorO vs herO - Game 1 Game 2 Game 3 Game 4 Game 5
Innovation vs TY - Game 1 Game 2 Game 3 Game 4 Game 5
Soulkey vs Last - Game 1 Game 2 Game 3 Game 4 Game 5
Rain vs Flying - Game 1 Game 2 Game 3 Game 4 Game 5
Sase vs Snute - Game 1 Game 2 Game 3 Game 4 Game 5
Nerchio vs BabyKnight - Game 1 Game 2 Game 3 Game 4 Game 5
Stephano vs Titan - Game 1 Game 2 Game 3 Game 4 Game 5
Mana vs Bly - Game 1 Game 2 Game 3 Game 4 Game 5
Socke vs Thorzain - Game 1 Game 2 Game 3 Game 4 Game 5
Ret vs Feast - Game 1 Game 2 Game 3 Game 4 Game 5
Creator vs Nestea - Game 1 Game 2 Game 3 Game 4 Game 5
Mvp vs Curious - Game 1 Game 2 Game 3 Game 4 Game 5
Sniper vs Seed - Game 1 Game 2 Game 3 Game 4 Game 5
MKP vs Gumiho - Game 1 Game 2 Game 3 Game 4 Game 5
DRG vs Jjakji - Game 1 Game 2 Game 3 Game 4 Game 5
MC vs Alive - Game 1 Game 2 Game 3 Game 4 Game 5
Taeja vs Violet - Game 1 Game 2 Game 3 Game 4 Game 5
Hero vs Polt - Game 1 Game 2 Game 3 Game 4 Game 5
Sen vs Moonglade - Game 1 Game 2 Game 3 Game 4 Game 5
EU Consolation Matches* - Game 1 Game 2 Game 3 Game 4 Game 5
Caliber vs Goswser - Game 1 Game 2 Game 3 Game 4 Game 5
IdrA vs Minigun - Game 1 Game 2 Game 3 Game 4 Game 5
Fenix vs State - Game 1 Game 2 Game 3 Game 4 Game 5
Tuesday, Mar 05 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) Vibe vs Illusion
Wednesday, Mar 06 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) Suppy vs Maker
Thursday, Mar 07 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) Killer vs qxc
Friday, Mar 08 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) Huk vs Sasquatch

imaga qualified for the Winter Championship but is unable to attend. The EU runners up will compete in a single elimination, Best of 1 tournament to determine who will take his place.



Tonight's match:
(Z)ViBE vs (T)Illusion


www.majorleaguegaming.com

Results
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Game 1
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Map: Neo Planet S
Winner: Illusion


Game 2
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Map: Akilon Wastes
Winner: Vibe


Game 3
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Map: Star Station
Winner: Vibe


Game 4 (if necessary)
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Map: Whirlwind
Winner: Illusion


Game 5 (if necessary)
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Map: Newkirk City
Winner: Vibe



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Map Pool
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Akilon Wastes
Bifrost
Cloud Kingdom
Daybreak
Entombed Valley
Korhal City
Newkirk City
Ohana
Planet S
Star Station
Whirlwind

Note: In each Winter Season Showdown match, both Players will veto three Maps.


Format
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Invite-Only online matches; Winner takes all, Best of five games


Prize
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The 28 winners will receive placement at the Winter Championship in Dallas from March 15-17 where they will compete with Life, Leenock, Flash and Bomber.


Currently Qualified
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(T)Flash - Top 4 2012 MLG Fall Championship
(Z)Leenock - Top 4 2012 MLG Fall Championship
(Z)Life
- Top 4 2012 MLG Fall Championship
(T)Bomber
- Top 4 2012 MLG Fall Championship
(P)PartinG - Defeated (T)FanTaSy
(P)herO[jOin] - Defeated (Z)RorO
(T)INnoVation - Defeated (T)TY
(T)Last - Defeated (Z)Soulkey
(P)Rain - Defeated (P)Flying
(P)SaSe - Defeated (Z)Snute
(P)BabyKnight - Defeated (Z)Nerchio
(Z)Stephano - Defeated (P)TitaN
(Z)Bly - Defeated (P)MaNa
(T)ThorZaIN - Defeated (P)Socke
(Z)Ret - Defeated (P)Feast
(P)Creator - Defeated (Z)NesTea
(T)Mvp - Defeated (Z)Curious
(P)Seed - Defeated (Z)Sniper
(T)MKP - Defeated (T)GuMiho
(T)jjakji - Defeated (Z)DRG
(P)MC - Defeated (T)aLive
(T)TaeJa - Defeated (Z)Violet
(T)Polt - Defeated (P)HerO
(Z)Sen - Defeated (Z)mOOnGLaDe
(P)Feast - Won the EU Last Chance Bracket
(Z)Goswser - Defeated (P)Caliber
(P)Minigun - Defeated (Z)IdrA
(P)State - Defeated (T)Fenix


Bouyt
Profile Joined March 2011
United States113 Posts
March 05 2013 21:59 GMT
#2
gogo vibe
Root for ROOT
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
March 05 2013 22:06 GMT
#3
Go Illusion! You can do it!
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
March 05 2013 22:11 GMT
#4
Illusion is trying to throw this as badly as possible. Moving out with a few marines against roaches, doing it against with marines and hellions and then placing a tank in literally the only location where it can be sniped.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
March 05 2013 22:19 GMT
#5
On March 06 2013 07:11 Ghanburighan wrote:
Illusion is trying to throw this as badly as possible. Moving out with a few marines against roaches, doing it against with marines and hellions and then placing a tank in literally the only location where it can be sniped.


and so does vibe
Terran & Potato Salad.
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
March 05 2013 22:22 GMT
#6
the ice in hots sure is slippery
ESPORTS ILLUMINATI
LimeNade
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2125 Posts
March 05 2013 22:27 GMT
#7
awesome game 1 so far!
JD, need I say more? :D
Gorlin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2753 Posts
March 05 2013 22:28 GMT
#8
This is a wiiiild game
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
March 05 2013 22:32 GMT
#9
Holy shit what a game. Great drop play by Illusion
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
joshie0808
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1024 Posts
March 05 2013 22:33 GMT
#10
Sick game 1... lots of back and forth cant wait to see the rest of the series play out
ssg
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1777 Posts
March 05 2013 22:33 GMT
#11
I declare that game one to be the best game of HotS thus far.
BakedButters
Profile Joined November 2011
United States748 Posts
March 05 2013 22:34 GMT
#12
Nice game, If Vibe just split his units to defend drops, he probably would of won. Don't know why Zergs always bring the whole army to defend one drop
Snute <3 Bomber <3 Parting <3 Life <3
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-05 22:34:38
March 05 2013 22:34 GMT
#13
On March 06 2013 07:19 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
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On March 06 2013 07:11 Ghanburighan wrote:
Illusion is trying to throw this as badly as possible. Moving out with a few marines against roaches, doing it against with marines and hellions and then placing a tank in literally the only location where it can be sniped.


and so does vibe


I did some other stuff, thinking that the game is over and Vibe won. I come back and see Illusion not mining and Vibe on 1 mining base. And then an awesome engagement.

Not bad ... Not seeing the mistakes that led to that situation probably made that situation infinitely more enjoyable to spectate ^^
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28526 Posts
March 05 2013 22:35 GMT
#14
Interesting but also weird game. I'm not yet used to HotS I guess.
I Protoss winner, could it be?
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
March 05 2013 22:37 GMT
#15
Rooting for mah man Illusion :D
Good luck bro.
ssg
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1777 Posts
March 05 2013 22:40 GMT
#16
Great reaper play by illusion
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
March 05 2013 22:50 GMT
#17
cheering for illu!
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
March 05 2013 22:50 GMT
#18
How to beat Illusion:
1. Remember to split your army
2. ??????
3. Profit
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
March 05 2013 22:50 GMT
#19
Now that was just trying way too hard to be cute by vibe.
Glorious SEA doto
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
March 05 2013 22:51 GMT
#20
It pisses me off. Build a fucking raven instead of wasting scans.
Terran & Potato Salad.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
March 05 2013 22:52 GMT
#21
Haha I'm genuinely surprised by how good hydras are.
NeonFox
Profile Joined January 2011
2373 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-05 22:54:38
March 05 2013 22:53 GMT
#22
There's not really a point in using blinding cloud in this situation imo. Illusion is not relying on tanks so the bio only looses 1 or 2 seconds of dps.

Also having the bio hugging the roach/hydra ball doesn't change much, if it was against banelings yes it would be usefull, but here the bio just runs up and melts Vibe's army.

Edit: Broodlords is a weird choice in this situation as well, Illusion is very mobile, ultras would be more usefull.
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-05 22:58:08
March 05 2013 22:56 GMT
#23
On March 06 2013 07:53 NeonFox wrote:
There's not really a point in using blinding cloud in this situation imo. Illusion is not relying on tanks so the bio only looses 1 or 2 seconds of dps.

Also having the bio hugging the roach/hydra ball doesn't change much, if it was against banelings yes it would be usefull, but here the bio just runs up and melts Vibe's army.
The lack of banelings vs these heavy bio compositions is not helping, yeah. Also infestors always seem to come a bit late. I feel like vs upgraded, medivac'ed bio balls you always need some decent AoE (i.e. banelings, fungal).
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
March 05 2013 22:57 GMT
#24
This is pretty much the first HOTS I've watched. I didn't feel like tracking all of the changes. Just figured I'd see it when it was "done". This is really neat. Excellent game.
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
March 05 2013 22:57 GMT
#25
These steroid abusing hyper hydras are pretty funny to see.
Glorious SEA doto
ssg
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1777 Posts
March 05 2013 22:57 GMT
#26
People not too interested in illusion vs. vibe apparently...too bad for them because 2 great games to start off the series.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12032 Posts
March 05 2013 22:59 GMT
#27
These games have been so sick.
FanTaSy's #1 Fan | STPL Caster/Organiser | SKT BEST KT | https://twitch.tv/stpl
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
March 05 2013 23:00 GMT
#28
35 minutes before an infestor in foreign TvZ that's got to be a record.
Glorious SEA doto
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
March 05 2013 23:02 GMT
#29
AHHH VIBBBBUHHHHHH Ties it up! Great play by him damn. Vipers used perfectly.
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
March 05 2013 23:02 GMT
#30
fungal+cloud :[
Terran & Potato Salad.
ssg
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1777 Posts
March 05 2013 23:02 GMT
#31
First game 30 mins


Second game 37 mins
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
March 05 2013 23:02 GMT
#32
Good games, good games :D
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
March 05 2013 23:02 GMT
#33
This has been a crazy series
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
March 05 2013 23:02 GMT
#34
i dont like illusions WoL-esque play

reapers into widowmine is where it's at
ESPORTS ILLUMINATI
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
March 05 2013 23:02 GMT
#35
On March 06 2013 08:00 Fusilero wrote:
35 minutes before an infestor in foreign TvZ that's got to be a record.

Infestors looked lost too
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
ChoDing
Profile Joined November 2009
United States740 Posts
March 05 2013 23:03 GMT
#36
that zerg skills op...

fungal and blinding cloud...
da fuq
관광 since 2008. Master of Cheese. God of Heartbreak Ridge.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
March 05 2013 23:03 GMT
#37
On March 06 2013 08:02 CursOr wrote:
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On March 06 2013 08:00 Fusilero wrote:
35 minutes before an infestor in foreign TvZ that's got to be a record.

Infestors looked lost too

They felt lonely, too used to months upon months of there being 30 per game.
Glorious SEA doto
Dragar
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom971 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-05 23:04:26
March 05 2013 23:03 GMT
#38
What a cool, close game.

5-10 banelings in Vibe's composition when he saw Illusion was so bio heavy would have made a huge difference. Bio would have to retreat, rather than attack, allowing Vibe to take the better position.

I also had no idea blinding could was so powerful.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12032 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-05 23:04:15
March 05 2013 23:03 GMT
#39
I'm so, so, so, so glad Binding Cloud is in the game and I'm a mech player.

Roach/Hydra is probably the coolest possible combination for zerg, especially if it's mostly hydras. Anything that makes that composition work is beautiful for the game IMO.

Ling/Bling/Muta is far too coinflippy and dependant on if the banelings land, where as roach/hydra viper is all about the clouds, the stutter step from both sides (if bio) and the pure control, not just baneling splitting from a (basically a-moving zerg).

My god I love HoTS.
FanTaSy's #1 Fan | STPL Caster/Organiser | SKT BEST KT | https://twitch.tv/stpl
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
March 05 2013 23:04 GMT
#40
wow this series is very good.
moo...for DRG
ssg
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1777 Posts
March 05 2013 23:04 GMT
#41
On March 06 2013 08:02 nkr wrote:
i dont like illusions WoL-esque play

reapers into widowmine is where it's at

He got some shit done with his reaper play last game.

He's at least making widow mines last two games, but hasnt done much with them.
Bermuda
Profile Joined October 2010
Belgium411 Posts
March 05 2013 23:04 GMT
#42

Late infestors...

But a blob of marines under fungal + blinding cloud looks pretty fucked. Holy cow that combo of spells look strong against bio.
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
March 05 2013 23:04 GMT
#43
On March 06 2013 08:02 nkr wrote:
i dont like illusions WoL-esque play

reapers into widowmine is where it's at

Perhaps he was just planning to open the series this way in the first game, but after seeing Vibe's problems with it, did it again in the second game. Vibe kinda figured out how to deal with it this time, so maybe a more HotS strat is coming next.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
NeonFox
Profile Joined January 2011
2373 Posts
March 05 2013 23:07 GMT
#44
On March 06 2013 08:04 Bermuda wrote:

Late infestors...

But a blob of marines under fungal + blinding cloud looks pretty fucked. Holy cow that combo of spells look strong against bio.


Now imagine blinding cloud, fungal and the new ultras. This game is awesome =D
xongnox
Profile Joined November 2011
540 Posts
March 05 2013 23:09 GMT
#45
so we can definitively confirm hydra rape bio even with a very hight medivac count :D ( there were also one Stephano vs MKP some time ago where stephano wins with roach hydra vs mass rines-medivacs )

Btw casters doesn't seems aware of it. "no way Vibe can win vs this terrifying terran army" into 1a into Vibe rape Illu.... :D

And viper just seems OP vs T :D

Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-05 23:10:26
March 05 2013 23:10 GMT
#46
I wasn't planning on staying up late to watch MLG as I watched IEM the whole day... but boy am I glad I did. Great games, highly entertaining!
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12032 Posts
March 05 2013 23:10 GMT
#47
On March 06 2013 08:09 xongnox wrote:
so we can definitively confirm hydra rape bio even with a very hight medivac count :D ( there were also one Stephano vs MKP some time ago where stephano wins with roach hydra vs mass rines-medivacs )

Btw casters doesn't seems aware of it. "no way Vibe can win vs this terrifying terran army" into 1a into Vibe rape Illu.... :D

And viper just seems OP vs T :D



I'd rather have something that takes skill to use be overpowered (see widowmines (although not OP), Vipers and Carriers) rather than infestors which in WoL were just click here to kill everything. <333
FanTaSy's #1 Fan | STPL Caster/Organiser | SKT BEST KT | https://twitch.tv/stpl
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
March 05 2013 23:12 GMT
#48
no one plays mech in hots T.T it's depressing D:
Terran & Potato Salad.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12032 Posts
March 05 2013 23:13 GMT
#49
On March 06 2013 08:12 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
no one plays mech in hots T.T it's depressing D:


Lucifron does :D

Illusion has always loved Bio.
FanTaSy's #1 Fan | STPL Caster/Organiser | SKT BEST KT | https://twitch.tv/stpl
ssg
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1777 Posts
March 05 2013 23:14 GMT
#50
This is a pretty HotS series
fastr
Profile Joined February 2011
France902 Posts
March 05 2013 23:19 GMT
#51
Now that was some really sweet swarm host usage!
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
March 05 2013 23:19 GMT
#52
Sweet Swarm Host usage.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
March 05 2013 23:19 GMT
#53
This is great to watch, wow Vibe, just wow.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Dragar
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom971 Posts
March 05 2013 23:19 GMT
#54
Whoa, swarm host masterclass from Vibe.
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
March 05 2013 23:19 GMT
#55
Vibe showing how good of a player he is. That is a multitasking Zerg right there.
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28526 Posts
March 05 2013 23:20 GMT
#56
I like HotS.
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
March 05 2013 23:20 GMT
#57
Well played
Terran & Potato Salad.
paradoxOO9
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1123 Posts
March 05 2013 23:22 GMT
#58
Swarm Hosts being used well is quickly becoming one of my favourite things.
Herect
Profile Joined January 2012
Brazil216 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-05 23:25:12
March 05 2013 23:24 GMT
#59
On March 06 2013 08:22 paradoxOO9 wrote:
Swarm Hosts being used well is quickly becoming one of my favourite things.


Check out Sleep vs First (Azubu vs LGIM on GSTL Preseason) and some Ret's ZvPs of IEM.

Just awesome.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
March 05 2013 23:25 GMT
#60
On March 06 2013 08:24 Herect wrote:
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On March 06 2013 08:22 paradoxOO9 wrote:
Swarm Hosts being used well is quickly becoming one of my favourite things.


Check out Sleep vs First (Azubu vs LGIM on GSTL Preseason) and some Ret's ZvPs of IEM.

Just awesome.




Their very awesome vs mech and zvp in general. Did vibe use them vs bio just now? (can't watch games right now).
When I think of something else, something will go here
xongnox
Profile Joined November 2011
540 Posts
March 05 2013 23:30 GMT
#61
On March 06 2013 08:10 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 08:09 xongnox wrote:
so we can definitively confirm hydra rape bio even with a very hight medivac count :D ( there were also one Stephano vs MKP some time ago where stephano wins with roach hydra vs mass rines-medivacs )

Btw casters doesn't seems aware of it. "no way Vibe can win vs this terrifying terran army" into 1a into Vibe rape Illu.... :D

And viper just seems OP vs T :D



I'd rather have something that takes skill to use be overpowered (see widowmines (although not OP), Vipers and Carriers) rather than infestors which in WoL were just click here to kill everything. <333



Yeah infestors was too easy to use, boring to watch (anti-micro) and, even worse, super good vs everything, literally everything, every fucking unit, from marines to BC, etc.
But eh the second problematic point of infestors was killing units for free... and then they make viper and swarm host witch, whereas more complicated to use and more specific, kills units for free :/
Btw infestors stays a very good unit in HoTs

So, we will see with time, but for now i'am not really enthusiast about theses news units....
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
March 05 2013 23:32 GMT
#62
Illusion and Vibe have played the most entertaining TvZ between foreign players in a long time. Bravo gentlemen
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Megabuster123
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada1837 Posts
March 05 2013 23:32 GMT
#63
Looks like Illusion is still good as ever.
Hier
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
2391 Posts
March 05 2013 23:33 GMT
#64
I can't get over the fact of how huge the casters' mouse pads are! Look at them!
"But on a more serious note..." -everyone on this forum at some point.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
March 05 2013 23:34 GMT
#65
Glad to see high level NA players once in a while, btw.
paradoxOO9
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1123 Posts
March 05 2013 23:34 GMT
#66
On March 06 2013 08:24 Herect wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 08:22 paradoxOO9 wrote:
Swarm Hosts being used well is quickly becoming one of my favourite things.


Check out Sleep vs First (Azubu vs LGIM on GSTL Preseason) and some Ret's ZvPs of IEM.

Just awesome.

I haven't seen the Ret games yet, how do I go about finding the VOD's?
Megabuster123
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada1837 Posts
March 05 2013 23:36 GMT
#67
On March 06 2013 08:30 xongnox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 08:10 Qikz wrote:
On March 06 2013 08:09 xongnox wrote:
so we can definitively confirm hydra rape bio even with a very hight medivac count :D ( there were also one Stephano vs MKP some time ago where stephano wins with roach hydra vs mass rines-medivacs )

Btw casters doesn't seems aware of it. "no way Vibe can win vs this terrifying terran army" into 1a into Vibe rape Illu.... :D

And viper just seems OP vs T :D



I'd rather have something that takes skill to use be overpowered (see widowmines (although not OP), Vipers and Carriers) rather than infestors which in WoL were just click here to kill everything. <333



Yeah infestors was too easy to use, boring to watch (anti-micro) and, even worse, super good vs everything, literally everything, every fucking unit, from marines to BC, etc.
But eh the second problematic point of infestors was killing units for free... and then they make viper and swarm host witch, whereas more complicated to use and more specific, kills units for free :/
Btw infestors stays a very good unit in HoTs

So, we will see with time, but for now i'am not really enthusiast about theses news units....

Infestors got a damage reduction and a casting nerf. They're not that great really. You're not going to see infestor ling builds because infestors don't do any damage.

Swarm hosts only work when you have a momentum advantage because they suck in small numbers, Illusion gifted his army and the worst possible time so Vibe was able to build up swarm hosts and pressure him with a supply lead. It has nothing to do with free units.
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
March 05 2013 23:36 GMT
#68
On March 06 2013 08:34 paradoxOO9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 08:24 Herect wrote:
On March 06 2013 08:22 paradoxOO9 wrote:
Swarm Hosts being used well is quickly becoming one of my favourite things.


Check out Sleep vs First (Azubu vs LGIM on GSTL Preseason) and some Ret's ZvPs of IEM.

Just awesome.

I haven't seen the Ret games yet, how do I go about finding the VOD's?


You can watch ret dismantling mc with sh's there -> http://www.twitch.tv/esltv_sc2/b/374141077
Terran & Potato Salad.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
March 05 2013 23:38 GMT
#69
On March 06 2013 08:36 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 08:34 paradoxOO9 wrote:
On March 06 2013 08:24 Herect wrote:
On March 06 2013 08:22 paradoxOO9 wrote:
Swarm Hosts being used well is quickly becoming one of my favourite things.


Check out Sleep vs First (Azubu vs LGIM on GSTL Preseason) and some Ret's ZvPs of IEM.

Just awesome.

I haven't seen the Ret games yet, how do I go about finding the VOD's?


You can watch ret dismantling mc with sh's there -> http://www.twitch.tv/esltv_sc2/b/374141077


Yeah reminded me of my swarmhost games. So glad other zergs are using that composition now and not going roach/hydra. Swarmhosts so so so good in zvp if the zerg player knows how to use them :D
When I think of something else, something will go here
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
March 05 2013 23:38 GMT
#70
How is Illusion rated compared to Demuslim? Who would be the best NA Terran? Or do we consider Demuslim as a EU Terran? :D
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-05 23:41:09
March 05 2013 23:39 GMT
#71
On March 06 2013 08:36 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 08:34 paradoxOO9 wrote:
On March 06 2013 08:24 Herect wrote:
On March 06 2013 08:22 paradoxOO9 wrote:
Swarm Hosts being used well is quickly becoming one of my favourite things.


Check out Sleep vs First (Azubu vs LGIM on GSTL Preseason) and some Ret's ZvPs of IEM.

Just awesome.

I haven't seen the Ret games yet, how do I go about finding the VOD's?


You can watch ret dismantling mc with sh's there -> http://www.twitch.tv/esltv_sc2/b/374141077


It's funny. Ret went 2-0 against MC, but only 2-1 against Gretorp, so clearly Gretorp's off-race Protoss > MC :p

+ Show Spoiler +
I kid, of course


On March 06 2013 08:38 ZenithM wrote:
How is Illusion rated compared to Demuslim? Who would be the best NA Terran? Or do we consider Demuslim as a EU Terran? :D


I'd say Demuslim is an EU terran, since he played in WCS UK. Hard to say who is better, since both have beaten pretty solid opponents, but neither has won a major tournament. For me at least, I think they are roughly equal.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12032 Posts
March 05 2013 23:39 GMT
#72
On March 06 2013 08:38 ZenithM wrote:
How is Illusion rated compared to Demuslim? Who would be the best NA Terran? Or do we consider Demuslim as a EU Terran? :D


Why would demuslim be an NA terran? He's English! :p
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fastr
Profile Joined February 2011
France902 Posts
March 05 2013 23:40 GMT
#73
On March 06 2013 08:38 ZenithM wrote:
How is Illusion rated compared to Demuslim? Who would be the best NA Terran? Or do we consider Demuslim as a EU Terran? :D


I feel Illusion is the better player, still quite underrrated.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
March 05 2013 23:40 GMT
#74
On March 06 2013 08:39 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 08:38 ZenithM wrote:
How is Illusion rated compared to Demuslim? Who would be the best NA Terran? Or do we consider Demuslim as a EU Terran? :D


Why would demuslim be an NA terran? He's English! :p

Rule of violet, he's one of them now.
Glorious SEA doto
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
March 05 2013 23:44 GMT
#75
Axslav is hilarious!

"HE needs 4 spines on the top of his ramp NOW! Whats he doing? Infestation pit? +1 ATTTACK!?!?! NOO"
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
March 05 2013 23:44 GMT
#76
On March 06 2013 08:40 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 08:39 Qikz wrote:
On March 06 2013 08:38 ZenithM wrote:
How is Illusion rated compared to Demuslim? Who would be the best NA Terran? Or do we consider Demuslim as a EU Terran? :D


Why would demuslim be an NA terran? He's English! :p

Rule of violet, he's one of them now.


Can't believe Team USA recruited violet and polt D:
Terran & Potato Salad.
ssg
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1777 Posts
March 05 2013 23:44 GMT
#77
I feel like im watching a different game than the casters...
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
March 05 2013 23:45 GMT
#78
Damnit
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
March 05 2013 23:46 GMT
#79
lmao illusion is so bad.
bitbybitfail
moo...for DRG
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-05 23:47:13
March 05 2013 23:46 GMT
#80
Nice series!
I just want some show, man :D
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
March 05 2013 23:46 GMT
#81
what a weird choice of build when you know he makes 2base mass roach like every game
ESPORTS ILLUMINATI
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
March 05 2013 23:47 GMT
#82
Embarrassingly bad all in. He had a single widow mine at the end, didn't even burrow it, just stutter stepped it with his control group the whole time.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12449 Posts
March 05 2013 23:48 GMT
#83
Damn Illusion...
Because of that game 5, now the whiners will be able to tell that it's no proof zerg can manage, it's just Illusion throwing.

Sigh !
No will to live, no wish to die
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
March 05 2013 23:49 GMT
#84
On March 06 2013 08:46 neoghaleon55 wrote:
lmao illusion is so bad.
bitbybitfail


Show some respect kid
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-05 23:50:55
March 05 2013 23:50 GMT
#85
On March 06 2013 08:48 Nebuchad wrote:
Damn Illusion...
Because of that game 5, now the whiners will be able to tell that it's no proof zerg can manage, it's just Illusion throwing.

Sigh !


lol this series wouldn't be one to go off balance no matter what...

Shame illusion didn't really play much hots style T_T so much stronger then what he did imo.
When I think of something else, something will go here
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-05 23:52:31
March 05 2013 23:50 GMT
#86
Lol MLG Dallas will be Terran heaven.
MKP, Flash, Mvp, Polt, Bomber, and I'm sure I'm missing some...
Edit: Oh yeah, Taeja and Innovation. S-s-s-s-s-ick.
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
March 05 2013 23:51 GMT
#87
On March 06 2013 08:49 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 08:46 neoghaleon55 wrote:
lmao illusion is so bad.
bitbybitfail


Show some respect kid


LOL
No respect for allins, especially terribly executed ones.
And don't call me kid.
I've been here longer than you, and contributed more than you.
moo...for DRG
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-05 23:55:11
March 05 2013 23:52 GMT
#88
On March 06 2013 08:51 neoghaleon55 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 08:49 Bagration wrote:
On March 06 2013 08:46 neoghaleon55 wrote:
lmao illusion is so bad.
bitbybitfail


Show some respect kid


LOL
No respect for allins, especially terribly executed ones.
And don't call me kid.
I've been here longer than you, and contributed more than you.


Since when was player-bashing ok? You should know better man. Besides you were apparently enjoying the games yourself

On March 06 2013 08:04 neoghaleon55 wrote:
wow this series is very good.


This isn't about me, Illusion and Vibe both played an amazing series, and to bash on players, that's insulting to them.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
March 05 2013 23:54 GMT
#89
On March 06 2013 08:50 ZenithM wrote:
Lol MLG Dallas will be Terran heaven.
MKP, Flash, Mvp, Polt, Bomber, and I'm sure I'm missing some...
Edit: Oh yeah, Taeja and Innovation. S-s-s-s-s-ick.


Way too many wrists.
Terran & Potato Salad.
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
March 05 2013 23:55 GMT
#90
On March 06 2013 08:52 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 08:51 neoghaleon55 wrote:
On March 06 2013 08:49 Bagration wrote:
On March 06 2013 08:46 neoghaleon55 wrote:
lmao illusion is so bad.
bitbybitfail


Show some respect kid


LOL
No respect for allins, especially terribly executed ones.
And don't call me kid.
I've been here longer than you, and contributed more than you.


Since when was player-bashing ok? You should know better man


This is LR, you're allowed to critique a player if he performs poorly.
That bitbybit move was awful, just sayin;'
moo...for DRG
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
March 06 2013 00:05 GMT
#91
On March 06 2013 08:54 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 08:50 ZenithM wrote:
Lol MLG Dallas will be Terran heaven.
MKP, Flash, Mvp, Polt, Bomber, and I'm sure I'm missing some...
Edit: Oh yeah, Taeja and Innovation. S-s-s-s-s-ick.


Way too many wrists.

And here I'm asking myself. "Too much wrists" or "too many wrists"?
I mean, I say "too much ice cream", and wrists is roughly the same as ice cream.
+ Show Spoiler +
When it melts, you're sad
Hier
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
2391 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-06 00:08:02
March 06 2013 00:07 GMT
#92
What's with the constantly sliding debris?
"But on a more serious note..." -everyone on this forum at some point.
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
March 06 2013 00:13 GMT
#93
On March 06 2013 09:05 ZenithM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 08:54 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
On March 06 2013 08:50 ZenithM wrote:
Lol MLG Dallas will be Terran heaven.
MKP, Flash, Mvp, Polt, Bomber, and I'm sure I'm missing some...
Edit: Oh yeah, Taeja and Innovation. S-s-s-s-s-ick.


Way too many wrists.

And here I'm asking myself. "Too much wrists" or "too many wrists"?
I mean, I say "too much ice cream", and wrists is roughly the same as ice cream.
+ Show Spoiler +
When it melts, you're sad


Ugh yeah my bad, I meant much. Mvp better not waste it all at IEM, he needs to save some for MLG.
Terran & Potato Salad.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
March 06 2013 00:21 GMT
#94
This is embarassing for vibe
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
nakedsurfer
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada500 Posts
March 06 2013 00:33 GMT
#95
Vibuuuuuuuuuuuuu!!!!
Root4Root
Hier
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
2391 Posts
March 06 2013 00:35 GMT
#96
What's the difference between Akilon Flats and Wastes?
"But on a more serious note..." -everyone on this forum at some point.
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
March 06 2013 00:40 GMT
#97
On March 06 2013 09:35 Hier wrote:
What's the difference between Akilon Flats and Wastes?


Rocks, actually
lol

collapsible rocks are only available in heart of the swarm.
moo...for DRG
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12032 Posts
March 06 2013 00:57 GMT
#98
On March 06 2013 09:40 neoghaleon55 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 09:35 Hier wrote:
What's the difference between Akilon Flats and Wastes?


Rocks, actually
lol

collapsible rocks are only available in heart of the swarm.


Different ground textures too.
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Swordland
Profile Joined March 2013
232 Posts
March 06 2013 01:12 GMT
#99
How do Terrans counter that massive harassment from Swarm Host?
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12032 Posts
March 06 2013 01:18 GMT
#100
On March 06 2013 10:12 Swordland wrote:
How do Terrans counter that massive harassment from Swarm Host?


Tanks are pretty good against swarmhosts, but (atleast as mech) it's oftentimes hard to know you have enough tanks to hold them off, but also push back. With Bio I would assume it would be to abuse the mobility of them, hold your bases with some bunkers and go drop.
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MetalPanda
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1152 Posts
March 06 2013 01:24 GMT
#101
On March 06 2013 08:55 neoghaleon55 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 08:52 Bagration wrote:
On March 06 2013 08:51 neoghaleon55 wrote:
On March 06 2013 08:49 Bagration wrote:
On March 06 2013 08:46 neoghaleon55 wrote:
lmao illusion is so bad.
bitbybitfail


Show some respect kid


LOL
No respect for allins, especially terribly executed ones.
And don't call me kid.
I've been here longer than you, and contributed more than you.


Since when was player-bashing ok? You should know better man


This is LR, you're allowed to critique a player if he performs poorly.
That bitbybit move was awful, just sayin;'


Sure you can, but saying it in such a disrespectful way like that makes it hard to respect you.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-06 01:26:09
March 06 2013 01:25 GMT
#102
On March 06 2013 10:18 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 10:12 Swordland wrote:
How do Terrans counter that massive harassment from Swarm Host?


Tanks are pretty good against swarmhosts, but (atleast as mech) it's oftentimes hard to know you have enough tanks to hold them off, but also push back. With Bio I would assume it would be to abuse the mobility of them, hold your bases with some bunkers and go drop.

I think mines can do decent as well, if you have enough of them. I think the key point is "you can use [this thing] if you have enough of it". If you have enough (tanks for example), locusts just die and do nothing, if you don't, you start losing an ungodly amount of stuff and position, and you have to move around the SH.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
March 06 2013 01:28 GMT
#103
On March 06 2013 08:55 neoghaleon55 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 08:52 Bagration wrote:
On March 06 2013 08:51 neoghaleon55 wrote:
On March 06 2013 08:49 Bagration wrote:
On March 06 2013 08:46 neoghaleon55 wrote:
lmao illusion is so bad.
bitbybitfail


Show some respect kid


LOL
No respect for allins, especially terribly executed ones.
And don't call me kid.
I've been here longer than you, and contributed more than you.


Since when was player-bashing ok? You should know better man


This is LR, you're allowed to critique a player if he performs poorly.
That bitbybit move was awful, just sayin;'

you can say play is bad, but that was pretty much player bashing. two different things, and people have been warned/banned for it
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
March 06 2013 01:43 GMT
#104
damn vibe what a nice hold
if illusion had just brought all his scvs to begin with instead of slowly letting vibe build up a roach army..
:)
serum321
Profile Joined January 2012
United States606 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-06 19:25:16
March 06 2013 19:23 GMT
#105
It was close, I would have like to see what would have happened had illusion ignored the 3rd and went straight into the natural. That plus chasing the roaches so far north (excellent job on vibe's part buying time) just gave vibe too much time.
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