After he basically ran through Curious in the MLG Showdown, I have become really thirsty for more Mvp HotS. He probably won't play though, having the injury and LG-IM not exactly lacking in the HotS department... But I am crossing my fingers.
This is going to be a massacre most likely. I'd love to see Mvp play, and I'd also love to see if Tassadar has been able to come up with any crazy new cheese builds for hots.
On February 24 2013 16:27 Seeker wrote: Now that FXO is out I guess I'll cheer for NSH
You don't fear suffering, do you? I guess we'll sob along when NSH falls to IM's deep roster.
Deep in WoL... This is HotS.
Idk, I think they're probably still deep. Ragnarok and Ruin was all we got yesterday and they kicked ass despite being the new guys. Wonder if we can actually get that GSTL championship again despite being insanely stacked for the past few seasons
On February 24 2013 16:27 Seeker wrote: Now that FXO is out I guess I'll cheer for NSH
You don't fear suffering, do you? I guess we'll sob along when NSH falls to IM's deep roster.
Deep in WoL... This is HotS.
Idk, I think they're probably still deep. Ragnarok and Ruin was all we got yesterday and they kicked ass despite being the new guys. Wonder if we can actually get that GSTL championship again despite being insanely stacked for the past few seasons
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Two players isn't a deep roster... Then again viOLet just proved you only need one player to win a match.
On February 24 2013 16:33 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On February 24 2013 16:29 Elite_ wrote:
On February 24 2013 16:29 WigglingSquid wrote:
On February 24 2013 16:27 Seeker wrote: Now that FXO is out I guess I'll cheer for NSH
You don't fear suffering, do you? I guess we'll sob along when NSH falls to IM's deep roster.
Deep in WoL... This is HotS.
Idk, I think they're probably still deep. Ragnarok and Ruin was all we got yesterday and they kicked ass despite being the new guys. Wonder if we can actually get that GSTL championship again despite being insanely stacked for the past few seasons
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Two players isn't a deep roster... Then again viOLet just proved you only need one player to win a match.
I bet you missed the MVP games vs Curieus. Seed also looked oke ish in HotS.
Though players like LosirA, Yongwha and Yoda proberly have not played much HotS you still can't really say IM has not a deep roster.
On February 24 2013 16:33 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On February 24 2013 16:29 Elite_ wrote:
On February 24 2013 16:29 WigglingSquid wrote:
On February 24 2013 16:27 Seeker wrote: Now that FXO is out I guess I'll cheer for NSH
You don't fear suffering, do you? I guess we'll sob along when NSH falls to IM's deep roster.
Deep in WoL... This is HotS.
Idk, I think they're probably still deep. Ragnarok and Ruin was all we got yesterday and they kicked ass despite being the new guys. Wonder if we can actually get that GSTL championship again despite being insanely stacked for the past few seasons
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Two players isn't a deep roster... Then again viOLet just proved you only need one player to win a match.
I bet you missed the MVP games vs Curieus. Seed also looked oke ish in HotS.
Though players like LosirA, Yongwha and Yoda proberly have not played much HotS you still can't really say IM has not a deep roster.
Yougwha and Yoda are both going to the IEM finals soon, I'm sure they have been playing a decent amount of HOTS.
On February 24 2013 16:33 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On February 24 2013 16:29 Elite_ wrote:
On February 24 2013 16:29 WigglingSquid wrote:
On February 24 2013 16:27 Seeker wrote: Now that FXO is out I guess I'll cheer for NSH
You don't fear suffering, do you? I guess we'll sob along when NSH falls to IM's deep roster.
Deep in WoL... This is HotS.
Idk, I think they're probably still deep. Ragnarok and Ruin was all we got yesterday and they kicked ass despite being the new guys. Wonder if we can actually get that GSTL championship again despite being insanely stacked for the past few seasons
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Two players isn't a deep roster... Then again viOLet just proved you only need one player to win a match.
Yeah, my point was more that it only took two players and they both looked rather deadly. Seed is the only other player I know for sure is very good in HotS. MVP looked moderately good, he 3-0'd Curious even though Curious is probably focusing on WoL. Byul and True have been reported to be good in practice and 4 of their members have to go to IEM soon. So in all likelihood they're a pretty deep team.
Course, that hasn't stopped them from getting all-killed before >_<
On February 24 2013 17:25 derpface wrote: Ok I was at the closet and came late to the introdution, why was game paused and they said he should blame himself?
On February 24 2013 17:25 derpface wrote: Ok I was at the closet and came late to the introdution, why was game paused and they said he should blame himself?
Wait what? What does being gay have to do with anything?
On February 24 2013 17:25 derpface wrote: Ok I was at the closet and came late to the introdution, why was game paused and they said he should blame himself?
On February 24 2013 17:25 derpface wrote: Ok I was at the closet and came late to the introdution, why was game paused and they said he should blame himself?
Forgot to make his first probe.
forget, or wasn't able to?
i've had many games where i wasn't able to make workers once game started (i had to alt tab out, then tab back in, in order to start worker production)
On February 24 2013 17:25 derpface wrote: Ok I was at the closet and came late to the introdution, why was game paused and they said he should blame himself?
Wait what? What does being gay have to do with anything?
On February 24 2013 17:25 BigFan wrote: surprising start for LG-IM, why MC? I figured he would've mostly practiced WoL for his RO8 and not much HoTS
AFAIK, he was practicing with Grubby for this matchup.
oh was he? cool, fair enough.
On February 24 2013 17:30 BuzZoo wrote: Ok. Can someone explain what the hell just happened from start to finish? I'm very confused.
Essentially, MC just one based with 3 WGs I believe. He lost his mothership core at the start but took out 2 stalkers to compensate then he made another mothership core and once he saw the expansion, he tried to get a surround and just had a superior army(more units) = GG! The flying unit, the oracle was just icing lol
On February 24 2013 17:25 derpface wrote: Ok I was at the closet and came late to the introdution, why was game paused and they said he should blame himself?
Wait what? What does being gay have to do with anything?
On February 24 2013 17:25 derpface wrote: Ok I was at the closet and came late to the introdution, why was game paused and they said he should blame himself?
Wait what? What does being gay have to do with anything?
On February 24 2013 17:25 derpface wrote: Ok I was at the closet and came late to the introdution, why was game paused and they said he should blame himself?
Wait what? What does being gay have to do with anything?
In music, a Catalan shawm is one of two varieties of shawm (an oboe-like woodwind instrument) played in Catalonia in northeastern Spain.
The types of shawm commonly used in Catalonia are the tible (pronounced: [ˈtibːɫə], Catalan for "treble") and the tenora (pronounced: [təˈnoɾə], Catalan for "tenor"). The tenora is pitched about a fifth lower than the tible. These shawms are usually used with other instruments to accompany the traditional Catalan circle dance, the Sardana.
Other Catalan folk shawms are the tarota (pronounced: [təˈɾɔtə]) the original keyless version of the tible, and the gralla (pronounced: [ˈɡɾaʎə]), a short, strident instrument with a steep conical bore. Both of these resemble shawms from other parts of Spain, such as the dolçaina of Aragon and Valencia, and both employ open fingering.
Although I doubt his name came from the oboe-like instrument. I theorize that he wanted to be called Table, but since that name is even worse, he changed a vowel to become Tible.
On February 24 2013 17:30 BuzZoo wrote: Ok. Can someone explain what the hell just happened from start to finish? I'm very confused.
Essentially, MC just one based with 3 WGs I believe. He lost his mothership core at the start but took out 2 stalkers to compensate then he made another mothership core and once he saw the expansion, he tried to get a surround and just had a superior army(more units) = GG! The flying unit, the oracle was just icing lol
Grubby met MC on ladder while he was streaming. MC asked Grubby whether he could practice with him. Strange that he didn't ask other IM players though. In the ladder game, MC did the same 1 base and beat Grubby. Maybe that's the only PvP Hots build he knows.
On February 24 2013 17:25 derpface wrote: Ok I was at the closet and came late to the introdution, why was game paused and they said he should blame himself?
Wait what? What does being gay have to do with anything?
What the fuck are you talking about?
lol i think you didnt get his joke.
Closet....being gay....
yeah but... I mean you cant be AT the closet without being gay? I would buy it if I said IN.
On February 24 2013 17:25 derpface wrote: Ok I was at the closet and came late to the introdution, why was game paused and they said he should blame himself?
Wait what? What does being gay have to do with anything?
What the fuck are you talking about?
lol i think you didnt get his joke.
Closet....being gay....
yeah but... I mean you cant be AT the closet without being gay? I would buy it if I said IN.
sure.. a bit of a stretch.. but to say "what the fuck are you talking about? is just a huge derp on derpface's part.
On February 24 2013 17:47 blade55555 wrote: lol wolf doesn't even know that mc 1 gate expo'd not forge expanded xD
wolf knows. He's just commenting on the fact that zergs are not used to gateway expands because they're not a safe expand build if you want to put on pressure in WoL/ HotS changes that with the mothership core and recall.
On February 24 2013 17:53 Bashion wrote: What happened? I had to help my mom with something and MC already slayed some nerd.
MC won a PvZ on GSL whirlwind after going for what was apparently pressure lol. He went 4 gates and attacked with some zealot+stalkers and mothership core. Took out the 3rd, reinforced then with ff and time wrap, took out some of the zerg's roaches then eventually the army = GG!
Edit: Really? I had no clue he was an amazing cheeser lol. I remember people hyping him up a lot like a year ago but he fell off the map I guess lol
On February 24 2013 18:00 blade55555 wrote: LOL don't know why but so funny to see phoenix vs phoenix, can't even run you run you both are still shooting each other haha.
Remember MC vs Grubby at singapore? That was some hilarious phoenix vs phoenix.
I'm surprised Khaldor didn't know what the range upgrade does for phoenixes PvP. Couple early attacks in at worst (no micro), complete ability to wipe out every phoenix without return fire at best (if microed).
On February 24 2013 18:00 blade55555 wrote: LOL don't know why but so funny to see phoenix vs phoenix, can't even run you run you both are still shooting each other haha.
Remember MC vs Grubby at singapore? That was some hilarious phoenix vs phoenix.
Don't think I was watching as this was the first phoenix vs phoenix I actually watched haha ;P
On February 24 2013 18:31 Fusilero wrote: Whoah why is tassadar partying like it's march 2011 ballin with roid rays and laz0r walkers.
Just incase you don't know it is an insanely powerful composition. It crushes hydra/corruptor but he was to far behind to get enough colossi/voidray to show case it.
On February 24 2013 18:51 Dodgin wrote: woah infestors in a non zvz
still very good units.
Also I find it funny how alot of zerg pros are complaining about terran and protoss on STOG and stream, then zerg proceed to all kills in GSTL almost twice
On February 24 2013 18:51 Dodgin wrote: woah infestors in a non zvz
still very good units.
Also I find it funny how alot of zerg pros are complaining about terran and protoss on STOG, then zerg proceed to all kills in GSTL almost twice
It usually takes our Swarm friends substantially longer to understand how to properly utilize their new units. In the meantime they tend to complain instead of figuring it out. But I have to say the Korean Zergs are on top of their game which is good to see.
I can't wait for tournaments to switch over full time to Hots. It's looking really interesting, particularly once the minor balances issues have been sorted.
On February 24 2013 18:51 Dodgin wrote: woah infestors in a non zvz
still very good units.
Also I find it funny how alot of zerg pros are complaining about terran and protoss on STOG and stream, then zerg proceed to all kills in GSTL almost twice
Yeah what are all those pro's opinions compared to an real expert as yours.
On February 24 2013 18:58 dani` wrote: It usually takes our Swarm friends substantially longer to understand how to properly utilize their new units. In the meantime they tend to complain instead of figuring it out.
Almost as long as it takes our Terran friends to lift their depots.
On February 24 2013 18:47 AbuntuGuntu wrote: I'm really suprised every terran is going bio in TvZ so far
probably since it was the standard in both BW and WoL, at least that's my guess. Pretty much GG or very close to it.
or because they think it's better vs competent opponents.
Jjakji played plenty of Mech v Z in WoL
did he? I mostly remember his GSL finals against Leenock and I think that was mostly bio but I haven't seen much of his matches otherwise but if mech is supposed to be stronger, maybe it would've been a better idea? I dunno though.
On February 24 2013 18:51 Dodgin wrote: woah infestors in a non zvz
still very good units.
Also I find it funny how alot of zerg pros are complaining about terran and protoss on STOG and stream, then zerg proceed to all kills in GSTL almost twice
Yeah what are all those pro's opinions compared to an real expert as yours.
OT: grats to Byul and MC, and ofc IM.
Most of those "pros" opinions are laughable. They have invested too much into their race to be able to properly see things without bias. Take what they say with grain of salt
On February 24 2013 18:59 Herect wrote: Yeah, terran OP.
Since Hellbat patch, just MMA won against a Zerg. And it was a heroic win. =/
Probably because they keep going bio vs Zerg. Zerg can deal with bio, Mech is much harder to play against.
Isn't the hellbat upgrade only something like 100/100/100? It's not a very big investment when your opponent's going so ling heavy.
I'm not sure about the cost, but interestingly enough they can still build the hellbats without the upgrade. They just can't transform to/from hellbat form. Not to mention there were some minor buffs to hellbat damage vs light/non-light units per upgrade.
On February 24 2013 18:51 Dodgin wrote: woah infestors in a non zvz
still very good units.
Also I find it funny how alot of zerg pros are complaining about terran and protoss on STOG and stream, then zerg proceed to all kills in GSTL almost twice
Yeah what are all those pro's opinions compared to an real expert as yours.
OT: grats to Byul and MC, and ofc IM.
Most of those "pros" opinions are laughable. They have invested too much into their race to be able to properly see things without bias. Take what they say with grain of salt
You're right about this but you make it sound as if the audience is going to have less bias, which I find amusing.
Everyone is biased, deal with it. Even reality is biased (because of the number of great zergs still gunning for WoL championships as opposed to terran and protoss, blablabla)
On February 24 2013 18:59 Herect wrote: Yeah, terran OP.
Since Hellbat patch, just MMA won against a Zerg. And it was a heroic win. =/
Actually recent patch buffed hellbats lol
Massively delaying the timing in not a buff despite small upgrade scaling change.
You mean delaying ridiculous hellion contain into hellbat all-in? You can still build hellbats as always with armory, and now they even do more dps.
You mean that contain that even zerg pros are saying doesn't happen? And yes - you can build them but much later and with the design requiring early aggression that's kinda important.
On February 24 2013 18:47 AbuntuGuntu wrote: I'm really suprised every terran is going bio in TvZ so far
probably since it was the standard in both BW and WoL, at least that's my guess. Pretty much GG or very close to it.
or because they think it's better vs competent opponents.
Jjakji played plenty of Mech v Z in WoL
did he? I mostly remember his GSL finals against Leenock and I think that was mostly bio but I haven't seen much of his matches otherwise but if mech is supposed to be stronger, maybe it would've been a better idea? I dunno though.
He played it pretty regularly towards the end of WoL. You can pretty much bet that every pro has experimented with every style of play tbh. Even a die hard bio player like Polt has ground out mech builds on his stream even if he doesn't use them.
Whether mech is supposed to be stronger or not is pretty hard to answer. I certainly don't think Zerg got worse at dealing with the mech cores, and after the hellbat cargo space nerf it may be that T players feel bio offers a much better capability to be able to actually pressure the Zerg while still handling the mid game tech choices. We'll see what happens in the next month, it's an exciting time =)
On February 24 2013 19:05 Tachion wrote: LG-IM needs to find some Bo15 tournament league format so they can actually put their huge team depth to it's full use.
Heh. or they can be like LoL and have an A and B team.
On February 24 2013 18:51 Dodgin wrote: woah infestors in a non zvz
still very good units.
Also I find it funny how alot of zerg pros are complaining about terran and protoss on STOG and stream, then zerg proceed to all kills in GSTL almost twice
Yeah what are all those pro's opinions compared to an real expert as yours.
OT: grats to Byul and MC, and ofc IM.
Most of those "pros" opinions are laughable. They have invested too much into their race to be able to properly see things without bias. Take what they say with grain of salt
You're right about this but you make it sound as if the audience is going to have less bias, which I find amusing.
Everyone is biased, deal with it. Even reality is biased (because of the number of great zergs still gunning for WoL championships as opposed to terran and protoss, blablabla)
Then isn't the best way is to just shut up and admit that no one knows which race is imbalanced? At this point of the game, anyone's opinions including the "pros" hold little weight.
On February 24 2013 19:05 Tachion wrote: LG-IM needs to find some Bo15 tournament league format so they can actually put their huge team depth to it's full use.
On February 24 2013 18:51 Dodgin wrote: woah infestors in a non zvz
still very good units.
Also I find it funny how alot of zerg pros are complaining about terran and protoss on STOG and stream, then zerg proceed to all kills in GSTL almost twice
Yeah what are all those pro's opinions compared to an real expert as yours.
OT: grats to Byul and MC, and ofc IM.
Most of those "pros" opinions are laughable. They have invested too much into their race to be able to properly see things without bias. Take what they say with grain of salt
You're right about this but you make it sound as if the audience is going to have less bias, which I find amusing.
Everyone is biased, deal with it. Even reality is biased (because of the number of great zergs still gunning for WoL championships as opposed to terran and protoss, blablabla)
Then isn't the best way is to just shut up and admit that no one knows which race is imbalanced? At this point of the game, anyone's opinions including the "pros" hold little weight.
Yes, but from Blizzard's post explaining the nerfs. Hellbat in early game TvZ was THE most troubling issue and had to be dealt with right away. But after the nerf, terrans aren't even making hellbats much in TvZ. Nerfs should make something less useful, it shouldn't make it so the unit NOT useful.
On February 24 2013 19:05 Tachion wrote: LG-IM needs to find some Bo15 tournament league format so they can actually put their huge team depth to it's full use.
On February 24 2013 19:05 Tachion wrote: LG-IM needs to find some Bo15 tournament league format so they can actually put their huge team depth to it's full use.
PL format would help there i guess
Well can't do any worse than EG-TL HUE HUE HUE.
Historically wise, they are a lot stronger than EG-TL
On February 24 2013 18:59 Herect wrote: Yeah, terran OP.
Since Hellbat patch, just MMA won against a Zerg. And it was a heroic win. =/
Actually recent patch buffed hellbats lol
Massively delaying the timing in not a buff despite small upgrade scaling change.
You mean delaying ridiculous hellion contain into hellbat all-in? You can still build hellbats as always with armory, and now they even do more dps.
You mean that contain that even zerg pros are saying doesn't happen? And yes - you can build them but much later and with the design requiring early aggression that's kinda important.
Not sure what you are saying here.
Many zergs (pros as well) were losing to hellbat pushes and hence blizzard nerfed the timing and buffed the damage (lol). How can anyone complain about hellbat being weak is beyond me.
On February 24 2013 19:05 Tachion wrote: LG-IM needs to find some Bo15 tournament league format so they can actually put their huge team depth to it's full use.
It wouldn't even be enough actually. There are 14 players in the team who can participate + MC. They could afford a BO29 ^^
On February 24 2013 18:51 Dodgin wrote: woah infestors in a non zvz
still very good units.
Also I find it funny how alot of zerg pros are complaining about terran and protoss on STOG and stream, then zerg proceed to all kills in GSTL almost twice
Yeah what are all those pro's opinions compared to an real expert as yours.
OT: grats to Byul and MC, and ofc IM.
Most of those "pros" opinions are laughable. They have invested too much into their race to be able to properly see things without bias. Take what they say with grain of salt
You're right about this but you make it sound as if the audience is going to have less bias, which I find amusing.
Everyone is biased, deal with it. Even reality is biased (because of the number of great zergs still gunning for WoL championships as opposed to terran and protoss, blablabla)
Then isn't the best way is to just shut up and admit that no one knows which race is imbalanced? At this point of the game, anyone's opinions including the "pros" hold little weight.
Yes, but from Blizzard's post explaining the nerfs. Hellbat in early game TvZ was THE most troubling issue and had to be dealt with right away. But after the nerf, terrans aren't even making hellbats much in TvZ. Nerfs should make something less useful, it shouldn't make it so the unit NOT useful.
Given terran's history (ghost in TvP for example =) ) I wouldn't say for sure that hellbats are completely useless now just because they haven't been used for a few games. Given how many lings Byul made I'm pretty sure hellbats could have helped jjakji in this game, maybe I'm wrong but I would have liked to see it for myself.
Hellbats haven't been nerfed at all, you just can't transform hellions into hellbats without the upgrade. You can still build hellbats right away without any upgrade. There's no reason they would be worse now in the midgame than they were before.
On February 24 2013 18:51 Dodgin wrote: woah infestors in a non zvz
still very good units.
Also I find it funny how alot of zerg pros are complaining about terran and protoss on STOG and stream, then zerg proceed to all kills in GSTL almost twice
Yeah what are all those pro's opinions compared to an real expert as yours.
OT: grats to Byul and MC, and ofc IM.
Most of those "pros" opinions are laughable. They have invested too much into their race to be able to properly see things without bias. Take what they say with grain of salt
You're right about this but you make it sound as if the audience is going to have less bias, which I find amusing.
Everyone is biased, deal with it. Even reality is biased (because of the number of great zergs still gunning for WoL championships as opposed to terran and protoss, blablabla)
Then isn't the best way is to just shut up and admit that no one knows which race is imbalanced? At this point of the game, anyone's opinions including the "pros" hold little weight.
Yes, but from Blizzard's post explaining the nerfs. Hellbat in early game TvZ was THE most troubling issue and had to be dealt with right away. But after the nerf, terrans aren't even making hellbats much in TvZ. Nerfs should make something less useful, it shouldn't make it so the unit NOT useful.
Given terran's history (ghost in TvP for example =) ) I wouldn't say for sure that hellbats are completely useless now just because they haven't been used for a few games. Given how many lings Byul made I'm pretty sure hellbats could have helped jjakji in this game, maybe I'm wrong but I would have liked to see it for myself.
Yes, if he knew ahead of time that Byul would go ling heavy, then hellbats would have helped. But there is no way for him to know that. If ByuL goes hydras (or mutas), then the hellbats are not very effective. Byul might have also made more lings because he didn't see hellbats.
On February 24 2013 18:51 Dodgin wrote: woah infestors in a non zvz
still very good units.
Also I find it funny how alot of zerg pros are complaining about terran and protoss on STOG and stream, then zerg proceed to all kills in GSTL almost twice
Yeah what are all those pro's opinions compared to an real expert as yours.
OT: grats to Byul and MC, and ofc IM.
Most of those "pros" opinions are laughable. They have invested too much into their race to be able to properly see things without bias. Take what they say with grain of salt
You're right about this but you make it sound as if the audience is going to have less bias, which I find amusing.
Everyone is biased, deal with it. Even reality is biased (because of the number of great zergs still gunning for WoL championships as opposed to terran and protoss, blablabla)
Then isn't the best way is to just shut up and admit that no one knows which race is imbalanced? At this point of the game, anyone's opinions including the "pros" hold little weight.
Yes, but from Blizzard's post explaining the nerfs. Hellbat in early game TvZ was THE most troubling issue and had to be dealt with right away. But after the nerf, terrans aren't even making hellbats much in TvZ. Nerfs should make something less useful, it shouldn't make it so the unit NOT useful.
Given terran's history (ghost in TvP for example =) ) I wouldn't say for sure that hellbats are completely useless now just because they haven't been used for a few games. Given how many lings Byul made I'm pretty sure hellbats could have helped jjakji in this game, maybe I'm wrong but I would have liked to see it for myself.
Yes, if he knew ahead of time that Byul would go ling heavy, then hellbats would have helped. But there is no way for him to know that. If ByuL goes hydras (or mutas), then the hellbats are not very effective. Byul might have also made more lings because he didn't see hellbats.
Okay I'm not sure I have a problem with that. There should be a reaction part in SC2, if you counter the opponent's compo then you should be at an advantage, and vice versa. I'm happy that the zerg has ways to counter the usage of hellbats (like going hydras or mutas), and I'm happy that the usage of hellbats counters some zerg compositions (like ling heavy or roach heavy).
On February 24 2013 18:51 Dodgin wrote: woah infestors in a non zvz
still very good units.
Also I find it funny how alot of zerg pros are complaining about terran and protoss on STOG and stream, then zerg proceed to all kills in GSTL almost twice
Yeah what are all those pro's opinions compared to an real expert as yours.
OT: grats to Byul and MC, and ofc IM.
Most of those "pros" opinions are laughable. They have invested too much into their race to be able to properly see things without bias. Take what they say with grain of salt
You're right about this but you make it sound as if the audience is going to have less bias, which I find amusing.
Everyone is biased, deal with it. Even reality is biased (because of the number of great zergs still gunning for WoL championships as opposed to terran and protoss, blablabla)
Then isn't the best way is to just shut up and admit that no one knows which race is imbalanced? At this point of the game, anyone's opinions including the "pros" hold little weight.
Yes, but from Blizzard's post explaining the nerfs. Hellbat in early game TvZ was THE most troubling issue and had to be dealt with right away. But after the nerf, terrans aren't even making hellbats much in TvZ. Nerfs should make something less useful, it shouldn't make it so the unit NOT useful.
Given terran's history (ghost in TvP for example =) ) I wouldn't say for sure that hellbats are completely useless now just because they haven't been used for a few games. Given how many lings Byul made I'm pretty sure hellbats could have helped jjakji in this game, maybe I'm wrong but I would have liked to see it for myself.
Yes, if he knew ahead of time that Byul would go ling heavy, then hellbats would have helped. But there is no way for him to know that. If ByuL goes hydras (or mutas), then the hellbats are not very effective. Byul might have also made more lings because he didn't see hellbats.
Okay I'm not sure I have a problem with that. There should be a reaction part in SC2, if you counter the opponent's compo then you should be at an advantage, and vice versa. I'm happy that the zerg has ways to counter the usage of hellbats (like going hydras or mutas), and I'm happy that the usage of hellbats counters some zerg compositions (like ling heavy or roach heavy).
Yes, of course reacting to your opponent is a key factor. But due to the way unit production works for the 2 races, zergs are more 'flexible' in terms of switching between units types. One of the advantages of having a high number of early hellbats (transformed from hellions) was it forces the zerg to get a roach warren. Everything else can be dealt with by lings and Queens(hellions, reapers, etc). By forcing the roach warren, terrans were able to delay muta tech so they have more time to prepare.
So far we have pretty even racial statistics for the preseason. TvZ is at 5-7 PvZ is at 2-2 TvP is at 3-3 If this is nut just a fluke, the current HotS version could proove to have quite a good balance.
On February 25 2013 02:29 TeeTS wrote: So far we have pretty even racial statistics for the preseason. TvZ is at 5-7 PvZ is at 2-2 TvP is at 3-3 If this is nut just a fluke, the current HotS version could proove to have quite a good balance.
I think there's a cap on the number of players a team can have in the lineup per match, so IM being so huge can't bring everyone to the studio since Ragnarok, Ruin and Byul are also on the team now.
I checked both of IM's match VODs and their lineup is Nestea Mvp Seed Yonghwa First Ruin Byul Ragnarok Yoda MC. I think the cap is 10.
On February 24 2013 18:47 AbuntuGuntu wrote: I'm really suprised every terran is going bio in TvZ so far
probably since it was the standard in both BW and WoL, at least that's my guess. Pretty much GG or very close to it.
or because they think it's better vs competent opponents.
Jjakji played plenty of Mech v Z in WoL
did he? I mostly remember his GSL finals against Leenock and I think that was mostly bio but I haven't seen much of his matches otherwise but if mech is supposed to be stronger, maybe it would've been a better idea? I dunno though.
He played it pretty regularly towards the end of WoL. You can pretty much bet that every pro has experimented with every style of play tbh. Even a die hard bio player like Polt has ground out mech builds on his stream even if he doesn't use them.
Whether mech is supposed to be stronger or not is pretty hard to answer. I certainly don't think Zerg got worse at dealing with the mech cores, and after the hellbat cargo space nerf it may be that T players feel bio offers a much better capability to be able to actually pressure the Zerg while still handling the mid game tech choices. We'll see what happens in the next month, it's an exciting time =)
oh ok fair enough. Definitely excited to see what happens in the next several months as well
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