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Bisutopia19387 Posts
On February 22 2013 22:37 Inzan1ty wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 22:20 Sareth wrote:On February 22 2013 22:16 Poilon wrote:I'm gonna do mine now  1) Mvp 2) MKP 3) MMA 4) Taeja 5) Polt/Jjakji (GSL Champs) 7) GuMiho/Ryung 9) SuperNova/Bomber/Byun Not to forget all the Maru/ForGG/Virus/Keen/Happy ... Agreeing to 99% of your list, but you're missing alive somewhere in there. well thats natural, hes the invisible Terran afterall, people like to forget he was regularly trashing the Taeja`s and MKP`s and his wins against MC or Squirtle, well afterall the crowd promptly left after they ve seen the IPL4 finals ;-) Pretty much the Terran version of Sniper. :S
 Light aka Light[alive] is the invisible terran.
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Sad to see that MC didn't make it. Now Taeja has to make it to the finals to save us from a ZvZ.
I believe in my boy, Taeja.
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On February 22 2013 22:43 BisuDagger wrote:Protoss: Top 2 (Lol):  MC, PartinGhonorable mention: Genius
there are lotsss of protoss honorable mentions haha. i'd add hero, creator, rain, squirtle
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On February 22 2013 22:40 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 22:37 Inzan1ty wrote:On February 22 2013 22:20 Sareth wrote:On February 22 2013 22:16 Poilon wrote:I'm gonna do mine now 1) Mvp 2) MKP 3) MMA 4) Taeja 5) Polt/Jjakji (GSL Champs) 7) GuMiho/Ryung 9) SuperNova/Bomber/Byun Not to forget all the Maru/ForGG/Virus/Keen/Happy ... Agreeing to 99% of your list, but you're missing alive somewhere in there. well thats natural, hes the invisible Terran afterall, people like to forget he was regularly trashing the Taeja`s and MKP`s and his wins against MC or Squirtle, well afterall the crowd promptly left after they ve seen the IPL4 finals ;-) Pretty much the Terran version of Sniper. :S Even Sniper is more fun than aLive
Agreed.
My biggest gripe with aLive is that he never even attempted to fucking split his marines. He just stimmed and ran with them. Allow me to coin "the stim-and-run Terran".
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Bisutopia19387 Posts
On February 22 2013 22:46 opterown wrote:there are lotsss of protoss honorable mentions haha. i'd add hero, creator, rain, squirtle
Basically I went with the overall scene since 2010 rather then the people like rain who only had last year. But I'd consider squirtle in there. But yeah lots of honorable mentions but no one else we can really target. Lots of foreign protoss players have solid wins too, Huk, Naniwa etc.
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On February 22 2013 22:26 ZenithM wrote:
Mine is :
1) Mvp
2) MMA
3) MKP
4) Taeja
5) Polt, Bomber, GuMiHo
6) Ryung, Byun, jjakji
I'm sure I forget notable people, but I think the top 3 (where you can swap MMA for MKP and vice versa) is pretty much undisputable. I can't fathom how it would have gone down if the queen patch didn't happen. MKP did look pretty invincible back then :'(
I think, raw skill wise, the best Terran play we've seen might be Taeja. He really encompasses most qualities that a top terran has to have, whereas MKP, as much as I like him, has some flaws. His micro is unparalleled though, that's all that counts for me :D:D
Edit: I forgot jjakji, but I didn't really forget. I can't help but think he was a 1-hit wonder, but he did carry NHSH in team leagues for most of WoL :D
Dunno why you think Taeja is the best terran raw skill wise. You could see taeja floating quite a bit of resources regularly. Also he always had a hard time dealing with people pressuring him at his expansions.
But i guess you need decide whether you value macro or micro more(Bomber has some SICK mechanics  )
edit: If you arent just talking about mechanics, then its obviously Mvp. Cant be smarter than the game genie terran. And nobody else had the reputation of being the best player for long series
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Austria24422 Posts
On February 22 2013 22:46 opterown wrote:there are lotsss of protoss honorable mentions haha. i'd add hero, creator, rain, squirtle
SEED, wtf. The guy only won a GSL. That's pretty much more than any other protoss except MC managed to do.
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What about the other races :x?
Protoss:
MC
PartinG
Rain
Squirtle
Creator
Protoss is the hardest to rank. If you think about it throughout WoL they've been the most unstable in who their top players are. MC and PartinG get 1st and 2nd by being considerably more consistent than the rest throughout WoL imo. As much as I love Seed I just can't put him in the top 5 even though he's a champ. A big win only buys you so much credit with me.
Zerg:
Nestea
DRG
Life
Leenock
Stephano (rabble! rabble! rabble!)
Yeah I know I'm going to hear for Stephano, but I honestly think he deserves #5. Also, Nestea and DRG is a lot closer than I thought it would be. Sometimes I even wonder if Nestea really deserves #1 with some of his awful games and unwillingness to really play in a lot of stuff and he's probably my favorite player.
They at least deserve to both be over Life though.
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On February 22 2013 22:53 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 22:46 opterown wrote:On February 22 2013 22:43 BisuDagger wrote:Protoss: Top 2 (Lol): MC, PartinGhonorable mention: Genius there are lotsss of protoss honorable mentions haha. i'd add hero, creator, rain, squirtle SEED, wtf. The guy only won a GSL. That's pretty much more than any other protoss except MC managed to do.
oh, oops, haha i just skimmed the players in GSL currently... lolol
On February 22 2013 22:53 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
What about the other races :x?
Protoss:
MC
PartinG
Rain
Squirtle
Creator
Protoss is the hardest to rank. If you think about it throughout WoL they've been the most unstable in who their top players are. MC and PartinG get 1st and 2nd by being considerably more consistent than the rest throughout WoL imo. As much as I love Seed I just can't put him in the top 5 even though he's a champ. A big win only buys you so much credit with me.
Zerg:
Nestea
DRG
Life
Leenock
Stephano (rabble! rabble! rabble!)
Yeah I know I'm going to hear for Stephano, but I honestly think he deserves #5. Also, Nestea and DRG is a lot closer than I thought it would be. Sometimes I even wonder if Nestea really deserves #1 with some of his awful games and unwillingness to really play in a lot of stuff and he's probably my favorite player.
They at least deserve to both be over Life though.
protoss is more of a top 7 or something, though. MC clearly the best, but it's quite hard to separate parting/hero/squirtle/rain/seed/genius/creator haha they've all done really well
zerg i agree, i think the top 4 are very even.
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Austria24422 Posts
I'd say zerg:
DRG
Nestea
Life
Leenock
Stephano
Protoss:
MC
and then tons of honorable mentions you can't really rank: Rain, Creator, HerO, Squirtle, Parting, Seed
Personally I think putting Parting up there with MC is WAAAY overhyping him. He had mad PvT, got figured out, has good but not invincible PvP and his PvZ is probably the most overrated matchup in the world atm.
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Terran has a very obvious top 3, the 3 letter M's (Mvp,MKP,MMA). Zergs have a clear top 4 (Nestea,DRG,Life,Leenock). Protoss has MC, then a huge mess lol. If we are talking overall that's much more interesting. I'm feeling imo.
0. Mvp
Seperate Tier
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1. Nestea
2. MC
3. DRG
4. MKP
5. MMA
6. Life
7. Leenock
Some of these are really close, and I' probably forgetting a few that you could argue to...
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Its kinda funny if were talking about the whole of wings of liberty and parting. I love parting, but parting didnt win or place high in anything in 2010 or 2011 then in early 2012 he had some reasonable runs but nothing too special until the battle.net world championships where he just took off. Overall hero has had the better consistancy then parting if we go through the whole of wings of liberty. It's really intresting looking at protoss as a whole, MC in my opinion was the only staple protoss and even MC fell quite a few times through out wings. Just seemed like throughout wings protoss hasn't had the stability or something.
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FUCK your spoilers man, what the hell. Whole reason I look at them is to know which games aren't as good so I can just skim through them while still keeping it suspenseful. Fuck
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On February 22 2013 23:00 Thrillz wrote:
Terran has a very obvious top 3, the 3 letter M's (Mvp,MKP,MMA). Zergs have a clear top 4 (Nestea,DRG,Life,Leenock). Protoss has MC, then a huge mess lol.
It's hard to say between MKP and Polt for third place really.
Ifyou go by the money, or by the numbers of title, or the presence on the scene...
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On February 22 2013 23:00 Thrillz wrote:
Terran has a very obvious top 3, the 3 letter M's (Mvp,MKP,MMA). Zergs have a clear top 4 (Nestea,DRG,Life,Leenock). Protoss has MC, then a huge mess lol.
haha I know right. That's another part of MC's appeal to me. I feel like people always dump on MC every now and then when the new protoss on the block shows up but through it all MC is still here winning shit and making ro8s and he's been here since the very first GSL.
Genius, Oz, Rain, Squirtle Seed, PartinG, Creator, etc they've all come and looked good. Some even better than MC ever has. But not one matches him in consistency, only PartinG comes close in being as reliable.
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On February 22 2013 22:55 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I'd say zerg:
DRG
Nestea
Life
Leenock
Stephano
Protoss:
MC
and then tons of honorable mentions you can't really rank: Rain, Creator, HerO, Squirtle, Parting, Seed
Personally I think putting Parting up there with MC is WAAAY overhyping him. He had mad PvT, got figured out, has good but not invincible PvP and his PvZ is probably the most overrated matchup in the world atm.
Agreed, Parting is painfully hyped, he's nowhere close to MC, and placing him above any of the other prominent Protoss players is unfair. :/ I mean, what gets Parting above Creator, Rain, HerO or Seed? His results might edge out some of them, barely, but others edge him out barely, imho. Protoss has MC's insane dominance, and then the rest are fairly equal to me.
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On February 22 2013 23:04 Noocta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 23:00 Thrillz wrote:
Terran has a very obvious top 3, the 3 letter M's (Mvp,MKP,MMA). Zergs have a clear top 4 (Nestea,DRG,Life,Leenock). Protoss has MC, then a huge mess lol. It's hard to say between MKP and Polt for third place really. Ifyou go by the money, or by the numbers of title, or the presence on the scene...
most people in this thread have put mkp clearly above polt
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On February 22 2013 23:05 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 23:04 Noocta wrote:On February 22 2013 23:00 Thrillz wrote:
Terran has a very obvious top 3, the 3 letter M's (Mvp,MKP,MMA). Zergs have a clear top 4 (Nestea,DRG,Life,Leenock). Protoss has MC, then a huge mess lol. It's hard to say between MKP and Polt for third place really. Ifyou go by the money, or by the numbers of title, or the presence on the scene... most people in this thread have put mkp clearly above polt
There's no way Polt is above MKP....the only thing Polt has on MKP is that elusive GSL, that's it. Everything else MKP is better.
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I think Mvp, Life, and Parting are the 3 most talented of their respected race throughout WoL
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