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Austria24422 Posts
The list should be:
1) Mvp
2) everybody else
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On February 22 2013 22:08 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 22:07 mordk wrote:On February 22 2013 22:06 opterown wrote:On February 22 2013 22:04 vthree wrote:On February 22 2013 21:59 opterown wrote:On February 22 2013 21:58 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On February 22 2013 21:53 opterown wrote:On February 22 2013 21:50 Kasaraki wrote:On February 22 2013 21:41 opterown wrote:On February 22 2013 21:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:[quote] :O Is it because Taeja all killed Prime once?  there are several players who have all killed prime, i don't dislike them all. i just think taeja was overrated for winning several low-tier premiers (if you sorta get me) and carrying liquid too much, but ofc it's just my opinion Meh, not liking him is fine but I really don't think you can overrate him, haha. Guy is pretty insane tbh, his hot streak in the summer was amazing, and even after he remains a top (Often -the- top) ELO terran. Not only did he all-kill or multi-kill teams, win 2 premiers and reach some top 4s, but he has also performed so well in GSL throughout 2012 and now in 2013. He doesn't have a outgoing personality though, so I understand people not cheering for him, but overrated? :p Nowai, guy has all the results that matter, both Korean and Foreign. nah, i definitely feel he was overrated. he's never quite peaked as high as, say, life, leenock, mvp, etc. his hot streak was a few low-tier premiers and IPLTAC, the majority of which was played online. he's very good and was the best player during his hot streak, but i don't think he was the second coming of flash, and that his hot streak was no more remarkable than, say, life's, parting's, mkp's, or mma's, etc Yeah, but still, I must say for WoL overall Taeja should go down as a top 5 terran even though he's not yet a gsl champ. I might even consider putting him over Polt for 4th place. A better debate is who deserves to be #2 terran MKP or MMA, that one is hard for me D; i would probably say MMA *shrug :p and this is me being one of the biggest MKP fans around haha. This is a hard one. MMA definitely had the higher peak and has the GSL titles. But MKP's longevity can't be ignored. If you asked me in Oct 2012, I would probably still picked MMA. But with his slump being so prolonged. I think I would have to take MKP. On February 22 2013 22:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 22 2013 21:59 opterown wrote:On February 22 2013 21:58 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On February 22 2013 21:53 opterown wrote:On February 22 2013 21:50 Kasaraki wrote:On February 22 2013 21:41 opterown wrote:On February 22 2013 21:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:[quote] :O Is it because Taeja all killed Prime once? there are several players who have all killed prime, i don't dislike them all. i just think taeja was overrated for winning several low-tier premiers (if you sorta get me) and carrying liquid too much, but ofc it's just my opinion Meh, not liking him is fine but I really don't think you can overrate him, haha. Guy is pretty insane tbh, his hot streak in the summer was amazing, and even after he remains a top (Often -the- top) ELO terran. Not only did he all-kill or multi-kill teams, win 2 premiers and reach some top 4s, but he has also performed so well in GSL throughout 2012 and now in 2013. He doesn't have a outgoing personality though, so I understand people not cheering for him, but overrated? :p Nowai, guy has all the results that matter, both Korean and Foreign. nah, i definitely feel he was overrated. he's never quite peaked as high as, say, life, leenock, mvp, etc. his hot streak was a few low-tier premiers and IPLTAC, the majority of which was played online. he's very good and was the best player during his hot streak, but i don't think he was the second coming of flash, and that his hot streak was no more remarkable than, say, life's, parting's, mkp's, or mma's, etc Yeah, but still, I must say for WoL overall Taeja should go down as a top 5 terran even though he's not yet a gsl champ. I might even consider putting him over Polt for 4th place. A better debate is who deserves to be #2 terran MKP or MMA, that one is hard for me D; i would probably say MMA *shrug :p and this is me being one of the biggest MKP fans around haha. :O:O:O Not sure about that actually. Taeja never really fell off. For most of his career in WoL, he was one of the best. Same for MKP. MMA nowadays.... :/ Well I'm probably looking at WoL as a whole. I'd probably go: 1. Mvp 2. MMA 3. MarineKing 4. Polt 5. TaeJa/Bomber for best terrans of WoL. honorable mention to puma and jjakji PUMA?!.. Christ... he managed to fail to qualify into Code A for the ENTIRETY of WoL's life cycle. He doesn't deserve any mentions, honorable or not  haha, i dno, i though farming NASL and other tourneys was pretty good :o he's one of the highest earning terrans, at least
Yep, during the 1-1-1 era, which was the only thing he was good at. Once people learned to defend it, MAGIC HAPPENS, he disappeared.
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On February 22 2013 22:26 Nebuchad wrote:
Feel free to remember that next time you want to argue with me that protoss didn't have the worst time overall in WoL.
i don't think anyone can dispute that, to be honest, haha. they had a short time mid last year when they did well, but a lot of WoL was terran and zerg powerrr
On February 22 2013 22:28 Sakray wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 22:08 opterown wrote:On February 22 2013 22:07 mordk wrote:On February 22 2013 22:06 opterown wrote:On February 22 2013 22:04 vthree wrote:On February 22 2013 21:59 opterown wrote:On February 22 2013 21:58 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On February 22 2013 21:53 opterown wrote:On February 22 2013 21:50 Kasaraki wrote:On February 22 2013 21:41 opterown wrote:
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there are several players who have all killed prime, i don't dislike them all. i just think taeja was overrated for winning several low-tier premiers (if you sorta get me) and carrying liquid too much, but ofc it's just my opinion Meh, not liking him is fine but I really don't think you can overrate him, haha. Guy is pretty insane tbh, his hot streak in the summer was amazing, and even after he remains a top (Often -the- top) ELO terran. Not only did he all-kill or multi-kill teams, win 2 premiers and reach some top 4s, but he has also performed so well in GSL throughout 2012 and now in 2013. He doesn't have a outgoing personality though, so I understand people not cheering for him, but overrated? :p Nowai, guy has all the results that matter, both Korean and Foreign. nah, i definitely feel he was overrated. he's never quite peaked as high as, say, life, leenock, mvp, etc. his hot streak was a few low-tier premiers and IPLTAC, the majority of which was played online. he's very good and was the best player during his hot streak, but i don't think he was the second coming of flash, and that his hot streak was no more remarkable than, say, life's, parting's, mkp's, or mma's, etc Yeah, but still, I must say for WoL overall Taeja should go down as a top 5 terran even though he's not yet a gsl champ. I might even consider putting him over Polt for 4th place. A better debate is who deserves to be #2 terran MKP or MMA, that one is hard for me D; i would probably say MMA *shrug :p and this is me being one of the biggest MKP fans around haha. This is a hard one. MMA definitely had the higher peak and has the GSL titles. But MKP's longevity can't be ignored. If you asked me in Oct 2012, I would probably still picked MMA. But with his slump being so prolonged. I think I would have to take MKP. On February 22 2013 22:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 22 2013 21:59 opterown wrote:On February 22 2013 21:58 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On February 22 2013 21:53 opterown wrote:On February 22 2013 21:50 Kasaraki wrote:On February 22 2013 21:41 opterown wrote:
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there are several players who have all killed prime, i don't dislike them all. i just think taeja was overrated for winning several low-tier premiers (if you sorta get me) and carrying liquid too much, but ofc it's just my opinion Meh, not liking him is fine but I really don't think you can overrate him, haha. Guy is pretty insane tbh, his hot streak in the summer was amazing, and even after he remains a top (Often -the- top) ELO terran. Not only did he all-kill or multi-kill teams, win 2 premiers and reach some top 4s, but he has also performed so well in GSL throughout 2012 and now in 2013. He doesn't have a outgoing personality though, so I understand people not cheering for him, but overrated? :p Nowai, guy has all the results that matter, both Korean and Foreign. nah, i definitely feel he was overrated. he's never quite peaked as high as, say, life, leenock, mvp, etc. his hot streak was a few low-tier premiers and IPLTAC, the majority of which was played online. he's very good and was the best player during his hot streak, but i don't think he was the second coming of flash, and that his hot streak was no more remarkable than, say, life's, parting's, mkp's, or mma's, etc Yeah, but still, I must say for WoL overall Taeja should go down as a top 5 terran even though he's not yet a gsl champ. I might even consider putting him over Polt for 4th place. A better debate is who deserves to be #2 terran MKP or MMA, that one is hard for me D; i would probably say MMA *shrug :p and this is me being one of the biggest MKP fans around haha. :O:O:O Not sure about that actually. Taeja never really fell off. For most of his career in WoL, he was one of the best. Same for MKP. MMA nowadays.... :/ Well I'm probably looking at WoL as a whole. I'd probably go: 1. Mvp 2. MMA 3. MarineKing 4. Polt 5. TaeJa/Bomber for best terrans of WoL. honorable mention to puma and jjakji PUMA?!.. Christ... he managed to fail to qualify into Code A for the ENTIRETY of WoL's life cycle. He doesn't deserve any mentions, honorable or not haha, i dno, i though farming NASL and other tourneys was pretty good :o he's one of the highest earning terrans, at least Yep, during the 1-1-1 era, which was the only thing he was good at. Once people learned to defend it, MAGIC HAPPENS, he disappeared.
i think you're underrating his overall skill - 1-1-1 is only one matchup, after all, and he played plenty of each to win. a lot of his protoss wins weren't 1-1-1s either.
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On February 22 2013 22:17 Psychobabas wrote:
And of course, everybody forgets about Gumiho as usual!
My top WoL top Terrans:
1. MVP
2. Taeja
3. Gumiho
4. MarineKing
5. Polt
Nah dude, aLive, Jjakji and PuMa have all better solo accomplishments
But regarding raw skill I would put him in top 8 and regarding most valueable teamleague terran 1st / 2nd tied with MKP
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Austria24422 Posts
On February 22 2013 22:28 Inzan1ty wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 22:17 Psychobabas wrote:
And of course, everybody forgets about Gumiho as usual!
My top WoL top Terrans:
1. MVP
2. Taeja
3. Gumiho
4. MarineKing
5. Polt Nah dude, aLive, Jjakji and PuMa have all better solo accomplishments But regarding raw skill I would put him in top 8 and regarding most valueable teamleague terran 1st / 2nd tied with MKP
Teamleague terran is probably tied between Mkp, Gumiho and Taeja.
People forgetting that Puma became famous for his retardly sick TvT.
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Bisutopia19390 Posts
In the OP:
Taeja vs Soulkey recommended games in the spoiler the OP wrote:
Sorry I wasn't online until now
I promise to never make LR's again
However, since it's taeja and he's winning I think you should watch all of them!
lmao!
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Ok sorry, I think it has been asked several times but i don't feel like reading 99 pages :p can someone tell me if some games are recommanded for the taeja vs soulkey series ? Thank you !
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On February 22 2013 22:23 vthree wrote:
Tier 0 - Mvp
Tier 1 - MMA, MKP
Tier 2 - Polt, Taeja
Tier 3 - Jjakji, Gumiho, Bomber, aLive
Tier 4 - Ryung, SuperNoVa, ByuN
I think Supernova should be t3 for sure. He was one of the most consistent players out there for a long time in the gsl even though he hasn't won anything significant. He was just 1 season shy of getting the Nestea award
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opterown
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On February 22 2013 22:30 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 22:23 vthree wrote:
Tier 0 - Mvp
Tier 1 - MMA, MKP
Tier 2 - Polt, Taeja
Tier 3 - Jjakji, Gumiho, Bomber, aLive
Tier 4 - Ryung, SuperNoVa, ByuN I think Supernova should be t3 for sure. He was one of the most consistent players out there for a long time in the gsl even though he hasn't won anything significant. He was just 1 season shy of getting the Nestea award
the difference between t3/4 there seems to be a major premier title, which suno lacks? gumiho's is from GSTL, haha. i'd throw alive down a rung, though
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Lmfao at the OP. hilarious.
Despite winning a gsl title, a memorable one at that, I can't rate jjakji above consistent performers like Ryung and Supernova.
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On February 22 2013 22:30 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 22:23 vthree wrote:
Tier 0 - Mvp
Tier 1 - MMA, MKP
Tier 2 - Polt, Taeja
Tier 3 - Jjakji, Gumiho, Bomber, aLive
Tier 4 - Ryung, SuperNoVa, ByuN I think Supernova should be t3 for sure. He was one of the most consistent players out there for a long time in the gsl even though he hasn't won anything significant. He was just 1 season shy of getting the Nestea award
Yes, but having no big tournament wins really hurt him.
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On February 22 2013 22:31 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 22:30 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On February 22 2013 22:23 vthree wrote:
Tier 0 - Mvp
Tier 1 - MMA, MKP
Tier 2 - Polt, Taeja
Tier 3 - Jjakji, Gumiho, Bomber, aLive
Tier 4 - Ryung, SuperNoVa, ByuN I think Supernova should be t3 for sure. He was one of the most consistent players out there for a long time in the gsl even though he hasn't won anything significant. He was just 1 season shy of getting the Nestea award the difference between t3/4 there seems to be a major premier title, which suno lacks? gumiho's is from GSTL, haha. i'd throw alive down a rung, though
No one has mentioned  TOP. He deserves mention in here.
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opterown
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On February 22 2013 22:36 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 22:31 opterown wrote:On February 22 2013 22:30 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On February 22 2013 22:23 vthree wrote:
Tier 0 - Mvp
Tier 1 - MMA, MKP
Tier 2 - Polt, Taeja
Tier 3 - Jjakji, Gumiho, Bomber, aLive
Tier 4 - Ryung, SuperNoVa, ByuN I think Supernova should be t3 for sure. He was one of the most consistent players out there for a long time in the gsl even though he hasn't won anything significant. He was just 1 season shy of getting the Nestea award the difference between t3/4 there seems to be a major premier title, which suno lacks? gumiho's is from GSTL, haha. i'd throw alive down a rung, though No one has mentioned TOP. He deserves mention in here.
eh, i dno
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/TOP/Results
top's results, while solid with a #2 and #4, i probably would say are worse than ryung/supernova/byun's since he fell off pretty heavily and was irrelevant in 2012?
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On February 22 2013 22:20 Sareth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 22:16 Poilon wrote:I'm gonna do mine now  1) Mvp 2) MKP 3) MMA 4) Taeja 5) Polt/Jjakji (GSL Champs) 7) GuMiho/Ryung 9) SuperNova/Bomber/Byun Not to forget all the Maru/ForGG/Virus/Keen/Happy ... Agreeing to 99% of your list, but you're missing alive somewhere in there.
well thats natural, hes the invisible Terran afterall, people like to forget he was regularly trashing the Taeja`s and MKP`s and his wins against MC or Squirtle, well afterall the crowd promptly left after they ve seen the IPL4 finals ;-)
Pretty much the Terran version of Sniper. :S
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On February 22 2013 22:26 Nebuchad wrote:
Fun fact: this is the 8th time no protoss reached the round of 4 in GSL, as opposed to 4 times for zerg and a whooping once for terran.
Feel free to remember that next time you want to argue with me that protoss didn't have the worst time overall in WoL.
To be fair, Ps won OSL, BWC Korea, Asia, Global, WCG 2012. So although in terms of GSL, P has had it the worse. These other tournaments make it a bit better (although still last).
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On February 22 2013 22:37 Inzan1ty wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 22:20 Sareth wrote:On February 22 2013 22:16 Poilon wrote:I'm gonna do mine now 1) Mvp 2) MKP 3) MMA 4) Taeja 5) Polt/Jjakji (GSL Champs) 7) GuMiho/Ryung 9) SuperNova/Bomber/Byun Not to forget all the Maru/ForGG/Virus/Keen/Happy ... Agreeing to 99% of your list, but you're missing alive somewhere in there. well thats natural, hes the invisible Terran afterall, people like to forget he was regularly trashing the Taeja`s and MKP`s and his wins against MC or Squirtle, well afterall the crowd promptly left after they ve seen the IPL4 finals ;-) Pretty much the Terran version of Sniper. :S
Even Sniper is more fun than aLive
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opterown
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On February 22 2013 22:37 Inzan1ty wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 22:20 Sareth wrote:On February 22 2013 22:16 Poilon wrote:I'm gonna do mine now 1) Mvp 2) MKP 3) MMA 4) Taeja 5) Polt/Jjakji (GSL Champs) 7) GuMiho/Ryung 9) SuperNova/Bomber/Byun Not to forget all the Maru/ForGG/Virus/Keen/Happy ... Agreeing to 99% of your list, but you're missing alive somewhere in there. well thats natural, hes the invisible Terran afterall, people like to forget he was regularly trashing the Taeja`s and MKP`s and his wins against MC or Squirtle, well afterall the crowd promptly left after they ve seen the IPL4 finals ;-) Pretty much the Terran version of Sniper. :S
http://aligulac.com/results/search/?op=search&after=&before=&players=marineking
alive&eventtext=
yeah, regularly trashing
On February 22 2013 22:39 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 22:26 Nebuchad wrote:
Fun fact: this is the 8th time no protoss reached the round of 4 in GSL, as opposed to 4 times for zerg and a whooping once for terran.
Feel free to remember that next time you want to argue with me that protoss didn't have the worst time overall in WoL. To be fair, Ps won OSL, BWC Korea, Asia, Global, WCG 2012. So although in terms of GSL, P has had it the worse. These other tournaments make it a bit better (although still last).
zerg and terran have won a lot more than that over WoL history though
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Austria24422 Posts
^ and a lot more important tournaments. GSLs, MLGs, IPLs.
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EPT
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