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On February 02 2013 16:18 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 16:16 Mohdoo wrote:On February 02 2013 16:12 opterown wrote:On February 02 2013 16:10 Mohdoo wrote:On February 02 2013 16:09 opterown wrote:On February 02 2013 16:08 Mohdoo wrote:On February 02 2013 16:07 opterown wrote:On February 02 2013 16:06 Mohdoo wrote:
Laughable that people say Life/Parting isn't the hardest group. Cannot believe that. That is perhaps the most stacked group to ever exist in the GSL. haha good joke Life and Parting are the current top tier of the SC2 scene. Bogus, DRG, none of them are on their level. No one in that group would be favored above Parting and Life. That is perhaps the most stacked group to ever exist in the GSL --> no Explain how any group could possibly be guaranteed to go a certain way. The certainty with which Parting and Life will advance is so high that I am saying no other group could possibly be so guaranteed with any other configuration of another 2 additional players. Put any 2 other players in a group with Life and Parting and its the same result: Parting and Life advance. Anything else is a massive upset. yeah, which makes it not that stacked of a group. I think we are just using different definitions of a stacked group. I define the extent to which a group is stacked as the difficulty to advance. I think you define it as a summation of overall player quality. I do believe that according to my definition, it is the most stacked group. And by your (assumed) definition, the DRG group is the most stacked. Explanation: Parting = "11" Life = "11" ... Highest otherwise "rating", 9.5. I consider them a step ahead, especially in a GSL environment where preparation is so important. However, if summing "rating", I do agree that the DRG group has the highest sum. However, if we are to use my definition, I do think any other player has the lowest chance of advancing from the parting group than any other group. Then your definition is by definition wrong. There is a difference between a group with two players better then everyone else, and a group of death.
Most people use the strength of the 'projected' 3 (and 4th) place finisher when talking about Group of Death. This is the case in things like UEFA, World Cup, etc.
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On February 02 2013 16:21 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Group A... what the hell happened there lmao
It went straight into drgs hands lol.
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On February 02 2013 16:22 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 16:21 Shellshock1122 wrote:On February 02 2013 16:21 TommyP wrote:
I don't understand why people are talking about bomber and parting though.
One is in group A and the other in Group D..... He said group D is the group of death because no one in group A would be favored against Life or Parting Personally, I'd favor everyone in Group A over Parting lol.
Parting would beat TaeJa. TaeJa has looked mediocre against toss
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On February 02 2013 16:21 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Group A... what the hell happened there lmao
The StarCraft gods were watching over DRG
On February 02 2013 16:22 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 16:22 TommyP wrote:On February 02 2013 16:21 Shellshock1122 wrote:On February 02 2013 16:21 TommyP wrote:
I don't understand why people are talking about bomber and parting though.
One is in group A and the other in Group D..... He said group D is the group of death because no one in group A would be favored against Life or Parting Personally, I'd favor everyone in Group A over Parting lol. Parting would beat TaeJa. TaeJa has looked mediocre against toss
It sounded like he was confident TvP in the group selection though and at the same time, Parting has looked mediocre against Terran.
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On February 02 2013 16:22 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 16:21 Shellshock1122 wrote:On February 02 2013 16:21 TommyP wrote:
I don't understand why people are talking about bomber and parting though.
One is in group A and the other in Group D..... He said group D is the group of death because no one in group A would be favored against Life or Parting Personally, I'd favor everyone in Group A over Parting lol but none over Life.
Taeja is pretty atrocious against Toss. Even Bomber during his slump never looked quite as bad as Taeja does ... esp. considering that Taeja used to have amazing TvP.
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On February 02 2013 16:17 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 16:16 dynwar7 wrote:
Mohdoo, are you being serious? Look how many people are arguing against you...just stop it. I know right? When more people think something that guarantees it to be correct!
The problem here is that people are arguing semantics and language. Like what defines a group of death.
In the cases of definitions, majority is correct.
Maybe if we were arguing Physics......................
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On February 02 2013 16:23 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 16:21 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Group A... what the hell happened there lmao The StarCraft gods were watching over DRG Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 16:22 Shellshock1122 wrote:On February 02 2013 16:22 TommyP wrote:On February 02 2013 16:21 Shellshock1122 wrote:On February 02 2013 16:21 TommyP wrote:
I don't understand why people are talking about bomber and parting though.
One is in group A and the other in Group D..... He said group D is the group of death because no one in group A would be favored against Life or Parting Personally, I'd favor everyone in Group A over Parting lol. Parting would beat TaeJa. TaeJa has looked mediocre against toss It sounded like he was confident TvP in the group selection though.
people say a lot of things in the group selection that aren't true
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out of the last 4 players who got picked 3 of them were Kespa.
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On February 02 2013 16:24 Emzeeshady wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 16:18 Dodgin wrote:On February 02 2013 16:13 Mohdoo wrote:On February 02 2013 16:10 Hall0wed wrote:On February 02 2013 16:09 Mohdoo wrote:On February 02 2013 16:08 Shellshock1122 wrote:On February 02 2013 16:08 Mohdoo wrote:On February 02 2013 16:07 opterown wrote:On February 02 2013 16:06 Mohdoo wrote:
Laughable that people say Life/Parting isn't the hardest group. Cannot believe that. That is perhaps the most stacked group to ever exist in the GSL. haha good joke Life and Parting are the current top tier of the SC2 scene. Bogus, DRG, none of them are on their level. No one in that group would be favored above Parting and Life. Bomber would be favored against Parting By what logic could you arrive at this conclusion? What has shown Bomber to be a threat to Parting? I don't think you actually watch Starcraft. Thank you for the thorough explanation. You make a convincing argument and have contributed a lot to this discussion. As long as Parting's results are as they are, and Bomber's are the way his are (lets look at tournament results), the burden of proof lies on Bomber to show why he would be favored against someone who just secured an extremely lucrative contract. Why do you think it was Parting and not Bomber? Why do you think Parting has won so much and not Bomber? There is no clear indication of Bomber being a favorite, whereas there is a lot showing the opposite. Its not constructive to say I don't watch Starcraft and it doesn't support your case at all. Stop pretending its obvious when trends in the scene indicate otherwise. http://aligulac.com/bomber has 2915 rating vP and parting has 2384 vT that website is awfully inaccurate. Don't take something as fact because it says so. I agree that Bomber would probably win if they played though.
A few data points are misplaced, but I believe TheBB got all his Ro32 predictions right, which is worth something.
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On February 02 2013 16:21 bo1b wrote:
Apart from all of this, drg has been showing his unstoppable form from early 2012 again. I'd make an argument of him being better than parting tbph, and he went 3-4 against life at ironsquid, losing after failing an all in impressively. To argue that parting and life are untouchable by everyone else in the ro16 seems a little silly.
Haha DRG recently seems like he has two modes. He has like this super angry mode where he just looks super focused and angry and just kills everyone, and then he also has this other relaxed mode where he just looks chill and relaxed and happy and somehow doesn't play as well.
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On February 02 2013 16:24 Emzeeshady wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 16:18 Dodgin wrote:On February 02 2013 16:13 Mohdoo wrote:On February 02 2013 16:10 Hall0wed wrote:On February 02 2013 16:09 Mohdoo wrote:On February 02 2013 16:08 Shellshock1122 wrote:On February 02 2013 16:08 Mohdoo wrote:On February 02 2013 16:07 opterown wrote:On February 02 2013 16:06 Mohdoo wrote:
Laughable that people say Life/Parting isn't the hardest group. Cannot believe that. That is perhaps the most stacked group to ever exist in the GSL. haha good joke Life and Parting are the current top tier of the SC2 scene. Bogus, DRG, none of them are on their level. No one in that group would be favored above Parting and Life. Bomber would be favored against Parting By what logic could you arrive at this conclusion? What has shown Bomber to be a threat to Parting? I don't think you actually watch Starcraft. Thank you for the thorough explanation. You make a convincing argument and have contributed a lot to this discussion. As long as Parting's results are as they are, and Bomber's are the way his are (lets look at tournament results), the burden of proof lies on Bomber to show why he would be favored against someone who just secured an extremely lucrative contract. Why do you think it was Parting and not Bomber? Why do you think Parting has won so much and not Bomber? There is no clear indication of Bomber being a favorite, whereas there is a lot showing the opposite. Its not constructive to say I don't watch Starcraft and it doesn't support your case at all. Stop pretending its obvious when trends in the scene indicate otherwise. http://aligulac.com/bomber has 2915 rating vP and parting has 2384 vT that website is awfully inaccurate. Don't take something as fact because it says so. I agree that Bomber would probably win if they played though.
It's probably the most accurate elo we have for sc2 lol. If for whatever reason thebb is reading this, would it be possible to make a filter for that website so we can select what tournaments to gather information on the players?
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On February 02 2013 16:15 Shellshock1122 wrote:
A: DRG/Bomber
B: Soulkey/Symbol
C: Curious/Losira
D: Life/BBoongBBoong (you'll all see!)
I disagree with all of you predictions.
Edit:
A: DRG/Taeja
B: Squirtle/MKP
C: Gumiho/MC
D: Life/PartinG
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On February 02 2013 16:25 Weirdkid wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 16:21 bo1b wrote:
Apart from all of this, drg has been showing his unstoppable form from early 2012 again. I'd make an argument of him being better than parting tbph, and he went 3-4 against life at ironsquid, losing after failing an all in impressively. To argue that parting and life are untouchable by everyone else in the ro16 seems a little silly. Haha DRG recently seems like he has two modes. He has like this super angry mode where he just looks super focused and angry and just kills everyone, and then he also has this other relaxed mode where he just looks chill and relaxed and happy and somehow doesn't play as well.
Dongs in general seem to perform best when angry and inflamed.
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On February 02 2013 16:25 Weirdkid wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 16:21 bo1b wrote:
Apart from all of this, drg has been showing his unstoppable form from early 2012 again. I'd make an argument of him being better than parting tbph, and he went 3-4 against life at ironsquid, losing after failing an all in impressively. To argue that parting and life are untouchable by everyone else in the ro16 seems a little silly. Haha DRG recently seems like he has two modes. He has like this super angry mode where he just looks super focused and angry and just kills everyone, and then he also has this other relaxed mode where he just looks chill and relaxed and happy and somehow doesn't play as well.
I feel like since maybe late November or so, he's been super angry the whole time lol.
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On February 02 2013 16:13 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 16:10 Hall0wed wrote:On February 02 2013 16:09 Mohdoo wrote:On February 02 2013 16:08 Shellshock1122 wrote:On February 02 2013 16:08 Mohdoo wrote:On February 02 2013 16:07 opterown wrote:On February 02 2013 16:06 Mohdoo wrote:
Laughable that people say Life/Parting isn't the hardest group. Cannot believe that. That is perhaps the most stacked group to ever exist in the GSL. haha good joke Life and Parting are the current top tier of the SC2 scene. Bogus, DRG, none of them are on their level. No one in that group would be favored above Parting and Life. Bomber would be favored against Parting By what logic could you arrive at this conclusion? What has shown Bomber to be a threat to Parting? I don't think you actually watch Starcraft. Thank you for the thorough explanation. You make a convincing argument and have contributed a lot to this discussion. As long as Parting's results are as they are, and Bomber's are the way his are (lets look at tournament results), the burden of proof lies on Bomber to show why he would be favored against someone who just secured an extremely lucrative contract. Why do you think it was Parting and not Bomber? Why do you think Parting has won so much and not Bomber? There is no clear indication of Bomber being a favorite, whereas there is a lot showing the opposite. Its not constructive to say I don't watch Starcraft and it doesn't support your case at all. Stop pretending its obvious when trends in the scene indicate otherwise.
Bomber has the highest TvP ELO, and his recent results against Protoss are extremely good. His all time TvP is 77.5%, which is pretty much an insanity.
Parting's PvT on the other hand has fallen a bit lately, he's relying increasingly on Immortal busts and all-ins to get wins, his recent win rate in the matchup is lower than Bomber's, and his all time win rate is only 60%.
Bomber would definitely be favored if they were to play.
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On February 02 2013 16:26 samurai80 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 16:15 Shellshock1122 wrote:
A: DRG/Bomber
B: Soulkey/Symbol
C: Curious/Losira
D: Life/BBoongBBoong (you'll all see!) I disagree with all of you predictions.
I was only serious about groups A and B. I think it will be
A: DRG/Bomber
B: Soulkey/Symbol
C: MC/GuMiho
D: Life/Parting
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On February 02 2013 16:26 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 16:25 Weirdkid wrote:On February 02 2013 16:21 bo1b wrote:
Apart from all of this, drg has been showing his unstoppable form from early 2012 again. I'd make an argument of him being better than parting tbph, and he went 3-4 against life at ironsquid, losing after failing an all in impressively. To argue that parting and life are untouchable by everyone else in the ro16 seems a little silly. Haha DRG recently seems like he has two modes. He has like this super angry mode where he just looks super focused and angry and just kills everyone, and then he also has this other relaxed mode where he just looks chill and relaxed and happy and somehow doesn't play as well. Dongs in general seem to perform best when angry and inflamed.
Still waiting for some GM smurf named DongSprayGoo
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On February 02 2013 16:24 Emzeeshady wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 16:18 Dodgin wrote:On February 02 2013 16:13 Mohdoo wrote:On February 02 2013 16:10 Hall0wed wrote:On February 02 2013 16:09 Mohdoo wrote:On February 02 2013 16:08 Shellshock1122 wrote:On February 02 2013 16:08 Mohdoo wrote:On February 02 2013 16:07 opterown wrote:On February 02 2013 16:06 Mohdoo wrote:
Laughable that people say Life/Parting isn't the hardest group. Cannot believe that. That is perhaps the most stacked group to ever exist in the GSL. haha good joke Life and Parting are the current top tier of the SC2 scene. Bogus, DRG, none of them are on their level. No one in that group would be favored above Parting and Life. Bomber would be favored against Parting By what logic could you arrive at this conclusion? What has shown Bomber to be a threat to Parting? I don't think you actually watch Starcraft. Thank you for the thorough explanation. You make a convincing argument and have contributed a lot to this discussion. As long as Parting's results are as they are, and Bomber's are the way his are (lets look at tournament results), the burden of proof lies on Bomber to show why he would be favored against someone who just secured an extremely lucrative contract. Why do you think it was Parting and not Bomber? Why do you think Parting has won so much and not Bomber? There is no clear indication of Bomber being a favorite, whereas there is a lot showing the opposite. Its not constructive to say I don't watch Starcraft and it doesn't support your case at all. Stop pretending its obvious when trends in the scene indicate otherwise. http://aligulac.com/bomber has 2915 rating vP and parting has 2384 vT that website is awfully inaccurate. Don't take something as fact because it says so. I agree that Bomber would probably win if they played though.
Really? Those statistics have made amazing calls...
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On February 02 2013 16:28 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 16:26 bo1b wrote:On February 02 2013 16:25 Weirdkid wrote:On February 02 2013 16:21 bo1b wrote:
Apart from all of this, drg has been showing his unstoppable form from early 2012 again. I'd make an argument of him being better than parting tbph, and he went 3-4 against life at ironsquid, losing after failing an all in impressively. To argue that parting and life are untouchable by everyone else in the ro16 seems a little silly. Haha DRG recently seems like he has two modes. He has like this super angry mode where he just looks super focused and angry and just kills everyone, and then he also has this other relaxed mode where he just looks chill and relaxed and happy and somehow doesn't play as well. Dongs in general seem to perform best when angry and inflamed. Still waiting for some GM smurf named DongSprayGoo
The best I can do is a EU gold player http://www.sc2ranks.com/eu/216758/DongSprayGoo
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