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On February 02 2013 16:27 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 16:13 Mohdoo wrote:On February 02 2013 16:10 Hall0wed wrote:On February 02 2013 16:09 Mohdoo wrote:On February 02 2013 16:08 Shellshock1122 wrote:On February 02 2013 16:08 Mohdoo wrote:On February 02 2013 16:07 opterown wrote:On February 02 2013 16:06 Mohdoo wrote:
Laughable that people say Life/Parting isn't the hardest group. Cannot believe that. That is perhaps the most stacked group to ever exist in the GSL. haha good joke Life and Parting are the current top tier of the SC2 scene. Bogus, DRG, none of them are on their level. No one in that group would be favored above Parting and Life. Bomber would be favored against Parting By what logic could you arrive at this conclusion? What has shown Bomber to be a threat to Parting? I don't think you actually watch Starcraft. Thank you for the thorough explanation. You make a convincing argument and have contributed a lot to this discussion. As long as Parting's results are as they are, and Bomber's are the way his are (lets look at tournament results), the burden of proof lies on Bomber to show why he would be favored against someone who just secured an extremely lucrative contract. Why do you think it was Parting and not Bomber? Why do you think Parting has won so much and not Bomber? There is no clear indication of Bomber being a favorite, whereas there is a lot showing the opposite. Its not constructive to say I don't watch Starcraft and it doesn't support your case at all. Stop pretending its obvious when trends in the scene indicate otherwise. Bomber has the highest TvP ELO, and his recent results against Protoss are extremely good. His all time TvP is 77.5%, which is pretty much an insanity.
all time in Korea or internationally? I know DRG's ZvZ internationally is like 75 but like 60 in Korea so it obviously makes a huge difference.
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On February 02 2013 16:28 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 16:26 bo1b wrote:On February 02 2013 16:25 Weirdkid wrote:On February 02 2013 16:21 bo1b wrote:
Apart from all of this, drg has been showing his unstoppable form from early 2012 again. I'd make an argument of him being better than parting tbph, and he went 3-4 against life at ironsquid, losing after failing an all in impressively. To argue that parting and life are untouchable by everyone else in the ro16 seems a little silly. Haha DRG recently seems like he has two modes. He has like this super angry mode where he just looks super focused and angry and just kills everyone, and then he also has this other relaxed mode where he just looks chill and relaxed and happy and somehow doesn't play as well. Dongs in general seem to perform best when angry and inflamed. Still waiting for some GM smurf named DongSprayGoo
Have a little subtlety please.
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On February 02 2013 16:29 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 16:28 lichter wrote:On February 02 2013 16:26 bo1b wrote:On February 02 2013 16:25 Weirdkid wrote:On February 02 2013 16:21 bo1b wrote:
Apart from all of this, drg has been showing his unstoppable form from early 2012 again. I'd make an argument of him being better than parting tbph, and he went 3-4 against life at ironsquid, losing after failing an all in impressively. To argue that parting and life are untouchable by everyone else in the ro16 seems a little silly. Haha DRG recently seems like he has two modes. He has like this super angry mode where he just looks super focused and angry and just kills everyone, and then he also has this other relaxed mode where he just looks chill and relaxed and happy and somehow doesn't play as well. Dongs in general seem to perform best when angry and inflamed. Still waiting for some GM smurf named DongSprayGoo The best I can do is a EU gold player http://www.sc2ranks.com/eu/216758/DongSprayGoo
r u a robot
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On February 02 2013 16:27 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 16:26 samurai80 wrote:On February 02 2013 16:15 Shellshock1122 wrote:
A: DRG/Bomber
B: Soulkey/Symbol
C: Curious/Losira
D: Life/BBoongBBoong (you'll all see!) I disagree with all of you predictions. I was only serious about groups A and B. I think it will be A: DRG/Bomber B: Soulkey/Symbol C: MC/GuMiho D: Life/Parting
Aahh ok. Lol I didn't see it was irony.
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one way to find out.
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On February 02 2013 16:29 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 16:27 sitromit wrote:On February 02 2013 16:13 Mohdoo wrote:On February 02 2013 16:10 Hall0wed wrote:On February 02 2013 16:09 Mohdoo wrote:On February 02 2013 16:08 Shellshock1122 wrote:On February 02 2013 16:08 Mohdoo wrote:On February 02 2013 16:07 opterown wrote:On February 02 2013 16:06 Mohdoo wrote:
Laughable that people say Life/Parting isn't the hardest group. Cannot believe that. That is perhaps the most stacked group to ever exist in the GSL. haha good joke Life and Parting are the current top tier of the SC2 scene. Bogus, DRG, none of them are on their level. No one in that group would be favored above Parting and Life. Bomber would be favored against Parting By what logic could you arrive at this conclusion? What has shown Bomber to be a threat to Parting? I don't think you actually watch Starcraft. Thank you for the thorough explanation. You make a convincing argument and have contributed a lot to this discussion. As long as Parting's results are as they are, and Bomber's are the way his are (lets look at tournament results), the burden of proof lies on Bomber to show why he would be favored against someone who just secured an extremely lucrative contract. Why do you think it was Parting and not Bomber? Why do you think Parting has won so much and not Bomber? There is no clear indication of Bomber being a favorite, whereas there is a lot showing the opposite. Its not constructive to say I don't watch Starcraft and it doesn't support your case at all. Stop pretending its obvious when trends in the scene indicate otherwise. Bomber has the highest TvP ELO, and his recent results against Protoss are extremely good. His all time TvP is 77.5%, which is pretty much an insanity. all time in Korea or internationally? I know DRG's ZvZ internationally is like 75 but like 60 in Korea so it obviously makes a huge difference.
Bomber's TvP in Korea is 77.5%. His International (hilariously enough) is lower, at 68%.
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On February 02 2013 16:29 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 16:27 sitromit wrote:On February 02 2013 16:13 Mohdoo wrote:On February 02 2013 16:10 Hall0wed wrote:On February 02 2013 16:09 Mohdoo wrote:On February 02 2013 16:08 Shellshock1122 wrote:On February 02 2013 16:08 Mohdoo wrote:On February 02 2013 16:07 opterown wrote:On February 02 2013 16:06 Mohdoo wrote:
Laughable that people say Life/Parting isn't the hardest group. Cannot believe that. That is perhaps the most stacked group to ever exist in the GSL. haha good joke Life and Parting are the current top tier of the SC2 scene. Bogus, DRG, none of them are on their level. No one in that group would be favored above Parting and Life. Bomber would be favored against Parting By what logic could you arrive at this conclusion? What has shown Bomber to be a threat to Parting? I don't think you actually watch Starcraft. Thank you for the thorough explanation. You make a convincing argument and have contributed a lot to this discussion. As long as Parting's results are as they are, and Bomber's are the way his are (lets look at tournament results), the burden of proof lies on Bomber to show why he would be favored against someone who just secured an extremely lucrative contract. Why do you think it was Parting and not Bomber? Why do you think Parting has won so much and not Bomber? There is no clear indication of Bomber being a favorite, whereas there is a lot showing the opposite. Its not constructive to say I don't watch Starcraft and it doesn't support your case at all. Stop pretending its obvious when trends in the scene indicate otherwise. Bomber has the highest TvP ELO, and his recent results against Protoss are extremely good. His all time TvP is 77.5%, which is pretty much an insanity. all time in Korea or internationally? I know DRG's ZvZ internationally is like 75 but like 60 in Korea so it obviously makes a huge difference.
international TLPD is very inaccurate these days because they don't update it anymore
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On February 02 2013 16:24 Emzeeshady wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 16:18 Dodgin wrote:On February 02 2013 16:13 Mohdoo wrote:On February 02 2013 16:10 Hall0wed wrote:On February 02 2013 16:09 Mohdoo wrote:On February 02 2013 16:08 Shellshock1122 wrote:On February 02 2013 16:08 Mohdoo wrote:On February 02 2013 16:07 opterown wrote:On February 02 2013 16:06 Mohdoo wrote:
Laughable that people say Life/Parting isn't the hardest group. Cannot believe that. That is perhaps the most stacked group to ever exist in the GSL. haha good joke Life and Parting are the current top tier of the SC2 scene. Bogus, DRG, none of them are on their level. No one in that group would be favored above Parting and Life. Bomber would be favored against Parting By what logic could you arrive at this conclusion? What has shown Bomber to be a threat to Parting? I don't think you actually watch Starcraft. Thank you for the thorough explanation. You make a convincing argument and have contributed a lot to this discussion. As long as Parting's results are as they are, and Bomber's are the way his are (lets look at tournament results), the burden of proof lies on Bomber to show why he would be favored against someone who just secured an extremely lucrative contract. Why do you think it was Parting and not Bomber? Why do you think Parting has won so much and not Bomber? There is no clear indication of Bomber being a favorite, whereas there is a lot showing the opposite. Its not constructive to say I don't watch Starcraft and it doesn't support your case at all. Stop pretending its obvious when trends in the scene indicate otherwise. http://aligulac.com/bomber has 2915 rating vP and parting has 2384 vT that website is awfully inaccurate. Don't take something as fact because it says so. I agree that Bomber would probably win if they played though.
Honestly, I don't think that Parting is some sort of insanely high level of favored against Bomber. But in terms of ability to place 1st or 2nd in a group, I would say Parting beats Bomber. While I would not say Parting is favored against Life, I would say he has the best shot at taking down life. DRG recently showed possibly capable, but lets face it, Life handles extended matches in a way such that I believe he expects to lose early and learn enough to win in the end. Put Life in a group with any configuration of 3 players and I would say Life is favored as first. Out of all remaining players, I would say Parting's ability to beat a group is 2nd highest. I'm not saying its a matter of master vs trash status. I just don't think there is a duo more favored to advance than Parting and Life.
I also admit that its been difficult to judge Kespa pros such as Innovation and Soulkey accurately, as their play isn't as stable or predictable at this point. They can look so good and so bad sometimes.
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On February 02 2013 16:30 bo1b wrote:
one way to find out.
!playlist
Also, Hi Shellshock1122
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On February 02 2013 16:30 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 16:29 TommyP wrote:On February 02 2013 16:27 sitromit wrote:On February 02 2013 16:13 Mohdoo wrote:On February 02 2013 16:10 Hall0wed wrote:On February 02 2013 16:09 Mohdoo wrote:On February 02 2013 16:08 Shellshock1122 wrote:On February 02 2013 16:08 Mohdoo wrote:On February 02 2013 16:07 opterown wrote:On February 02 2013 16:06 Mohdoo wrote:
Laughable that people say Life/Parting isn't the hardest group. Cannot believe that. That is perhaps the most stacked group to ever exist in the GSL. haha good joke Life and Parting are the current top tier of the SC2 scene. Bogus, DRG, none of them are on their level. No one in that group would be favored above Parting and Life. Bomber would be favored against Parting By what logic could you arrive at this conclusion? What has shown Bomber to be a threat to Parting? I don't think you actually watch Starcraft. Thank you for the thorough explanation. You make a convincing argument and have contributed a lot to this discussion. As long as Parting's results are as they are, and Bomber's are the way his are (lets look at tournament results), the burden of proof lies on Bomber to show why he would be favored against someone who just secured an extremely lucrative contract. Why do you think it was Parting and not Bomber? Why do you think Parting has won so much and not Bomber? There is no clear indication of Bomber being a favorite, whereas there is a lot showing the opposite. Its not constructive to say I don't watch Starcraft and it doesn't support your case at all. Stop pretending its obvious when trends in the scene indicate otherwise. Bomber has the highest TvP ELO, and his recent results against Protoss are extremely good. His all time TvP is 77.5%, which is pretty much an insanity. all time in Korea or internationally? I know DRG's ZvZ internationally is like 75 but like 60 in Korea so it obviously makes a huge difference. Bomber's TvP in Korea is 77.5%. His International (hilariously enough) is lower, at 68%.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=561&part=games&vs=P&league=any&map=any&from_year=2010&from_month=12&from_day=21&to_year=2013&to_month=1&to_day=24&action=Update
a more accurate representation since it includes all games
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On February 02 2013 16:30 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 16:29 TommyP wrote:On February 02 2013 16:27 sitromit wrote:On February 02 2013 16:13 Mohdoo wrote:On February 02 2013 16:10 Hall0wed wrote:On February 02 2013 16:09 Mohdoo wrote:On February 02 2013 16:08 Shellshock1122 wrote:On February 02 2013 16:08 Mohdoo wrote:On February 02 2013 16:07 opterown wrote:On February 02 2013 16:06 Mohdoo wrote:
Laughable that people say Life/Parting isn't the hardest group. Cannot believe that. That is perhaps the most stacked group to ever exist in the GSL. haha good joke Life and Parting are the current top tier of the SC2 scene. Bogus, DRG, none of them are on their level. No one in that group would be favored above Parting and Life. Bomber would be favored against Parting By what logic could you arrive at this conclusion? What has shown Bomber to be a threat to Parting? I don't think you actually watch Starcraft. Thank you for the thorough explanation. You make a convincing argument and have contributed a lot to this discussion. As long as Parting's results are as they are, and Bomber's are the way his are (lets look at tournament results), the burden of proof lies on Bomber to show why he would be favored against someone who just secured an extremely lucrative contract. Why do you think it was Parting and not Bomber? Why do you think Parting has won so much and not Bomber? There is no clear indication of Bomber being a favorite, whereas there is a lot showing the opposite. Its not constructive to say I don't watch Starcraft and it doesn't support your case at all. Stop pretending its obvious when trends in the scene indicate otherwise. Bomber has the highest TvP ELO, and his recent results against Protoss are extremely good. His all time TvP is 77.5%, which is pretty much an insanity. all time in Korea or internationally? I know DRG's ZvZ internationally is like 75 but like 60 in Korea so it obviously makes a huge difference. Bomber's TvP in Korea is 77.5%. His International (hilariously enough) is lower, at 68%.
lol thats weird
yea if youre over like 50 percent in a match up youre a complete freaking badass, if its 60 youre a god and if its 70 then yea thats just absolute insanity.
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On February 02 2013 16:31 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 16:30 babylon wrote:On February 02 2013 16:29 TommyP wrote:On February 02 2013 16:27 sitromit wrote:On February 02 2013 16:13 Mohdoo wrote:On February 02 2013 16:10 Hall0wed wrote:On February 02 2013 16:09 Mohdoo wrote:On February 02 2013 16:08 Shellshock1122 wrote:On February 02 2013 16:08 Mohdoo wrote:On February 02 2013 16:07 opterown wrote:
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haha good joke Life and Parting are the current top tier of the SC2 scene. Bogus, DRG, none of them are on their level. No one in that group would be favored above Parting and Life. Bomber would be favored against Parting By what logic could you arrive at this conclusion? What has shown Bomber to be a threat to Parting? I don't think you actually watch Starcraft. Thank you for the thorough explanation. You make a convincing argument and have contributed a lot to this discussion. As long as Parting's results are as they are, and Bomber's are the way his are (lets look at tournament results), the burden of proof lies on Bomber to show why he would be favored against someone who just secured an extremely lucrative contract. Why do you think it was Parting and not Bomber? Why do you think Parting has won so much and not Bomber? There is no clear indication of Bomber being a favorite, whereas there is a lot showing the opposite. Its not constructive to say I don't watch Starcraft and it doesn't support your case at all. Stop pretending its obvious when trends in the scene indicate otherwise. Bomber has the highest TvP ELO, and his recent results against Protoss are extremely good. His all time TvP is 77.5%, which is pretty much an insanity. all time in Korea or internationally? I know DRG's ZvZ internationally is like 75 but like 60 in Korea so it obviously makes a huge difference. Bomber's TvP in Korea is 77.5%. His International (hilariously enough) is lower, at 68%. lol thats weird yea if youre over like 50 percent in a match up youre a complete freaking badass, if its 60 youre a god and if its 70 then yea thats just absolute insanity.
Fun fact, StarTale is good at vP in general. The top three vP ELOs of all time are Squirtle, Life, and Bomber in that order.
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One more time before WoL is over DRG. One more time <3
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On February 02 2013 16:35 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 16:31 TommyP wrote:On February 02 2013 16:30 babylon wrote:On February 02 2013 16:29 TommyP wrote:On February 02 2013 16:27 sitromit wrote:On February 02 2013 16:13 Mohdoo wrote:On February 02 2013 16:10 Hall0wed wrote:On February 02 2013 16:09 Mohdoo wrote:On February 02 2013 16:08 Shellshock1122 wrote:On February 02 2013 16:08 Mohdoo wrote:
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Life and Parting are the current top tier of the SC2 scene. Bogus, DRG, none of them are on their level. No one in that group would be favored above Parting and Life. Bomber would be favored against Parting By what logic could you arrive at this conclusion? What has shown Bomber to be a threat to Parting? I don't think you actually watch Starcraft. Thank you for the thorough explanation. You make a convincing argument and have contributed a lot to this discussion. As long as Parting's results are as they are, and Bomber's are the way his are (lets look at tournament results), the burden of proof lies on Bomber to show why he would be favored against someone who just secured an extremely lucrative contract. Why do you think it was Parting and not Bomber? Why do you think Parting has won so much and not Bomber? There is no clear indication of Bomber being a favorite, whereas there is a lot showing the opposite. Its not constructive to say I don't watch Starcraft and it doesn't support your case at all. Stop pretending its obvious when trends in the scene indicate otherwise. Bomber has the highest TvP ELO, and his recent results against Protoss are extremely good. His all time TvP is 77.5%, which is pretty much an insanity. all time in Korea or internationally? I know DRG's ZvZ internationally is like 75 but like 60 in Korea so it obviously makes a huge difference. Bomber's TvP in Korea is 77.5%. His International (hilariously enough) is lower, at 68%. lol thats weird yea if youre over like 50 percent in a match up youre a complete freaking badass, if its 60 youre a god and if its 70 then yea thats just absolute insanity. Fun fact, StarTale is good at vP in general. The top three vP ELOs of all time are Squirtle, Life, and Bomber in that order.
#5 is Oz lololol
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On February 02 2013 16:39 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 16:35 babylon wrote:On February 02 2013 16:31 TommyP wrote:On February 02 2013 16:30 babylon wrote:On February 02 2013 16:29 TommyP wrote:On February 02 2013 16:27 sitromit wrote:On February 02 2013 16:13 Mohdoo wrote:On February 02 2013 16:10 Hall0wed wrote:On February 02 2013 16:09 Mohdoo wrote:On February 02 2013 16:08 Shellshock1122 wrote:
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Bomber would be favored against Parting By what logic could you arrive at this conclusion? What has shown Bomber to be a threat to Parting? I don't think you actually watch Starcraft. Thank you for the thorough explanation. You make a convincing argument and have contributed a lot to this discussion. As long as Parting's results are as they are, and Bomber's are the way his are (lets look at tournament results), the burden of proof lies on Bomber to show why he would be favored against someone who just secured an extremely lucrative contract. Why do you think it was Parting and not Bomber? Why do you think Parting has won so much and not Bomber? There is no clear indication of Bomber being a favorite, whereas there is a lot showing the opposite. Its not constructive to say I don't watch Starcraft and it doesn't support your case at all. Stop pretending its obvious when trends in the scene indicate otherwise. Bomber has the highest TvP ELO, and his recent results against Protoss are extremely good. His all time TvP is 77.5%, which is pretty much an insanity. all time in Korea or internationally? I know DRG's ZvZ internationally is like 75 but like 60 in Korea so it obviously makes a huge difference. Bomber's TvP in Korea is 77.5%. His International (hilariously enough) is lower, at 68%. lol thats weird yea if youre over like 50 percent in a match up youre a complete freaking badass, if its 60 youre a god and if its 70 then yea thats just absolute insanity. Fun fact, StarTale is good at vP in general. The top three vP ELOs of all time are Squirtle, Life, and Bomber in that order. #5 is Oz lololol
For vP win rate, this is also interesting :
http://aligulac.com/periods/76/?page=1&sort=vp&race=ptzrs&nats=all
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On February 02 2013 16:29 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 16:28 lichter wrote:On February 02 2013 16:26 bo1b wrote:On February 02 2013 16:25 Weirdkid wrote:On February 02 2013 16:21 bo1b wrote:
Apart from all of this, drg has been showing his unstoppable form from early 2012 again. I'd make an argument of him being better than parting tbph, and he went 3-4 against life at ironsquid, losing after failing an all in impressively. To argue that parting and life are untouchable by everyone else in the ro16 seems a little silly. Haha DRG recently seems like he has two modes. He has like this super angry mode where he just looks super focused and angry and just kills everyone, and then he also has this other relaxed mode where he just looks chill and relaxed and happy and somehow doesn't play as well. Dongs in general seem to perform best when angry and inflamed. Still waiting for some GM smurf named DongSprayGoo Have a little subtlety please.
Oh that's nothing compared to what we saw earlier in the thread.
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On February 02 2013 16:47 AlternativeEgo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 16:29 bo1b wrote:On February 02 2013 16:28 lichter wrote:On February 02 2013 16:26 bo1b wrote:On February 02 2013 16:25 Weirdkid wrote:On February 02 2013 16:21 bo1b wrote:
Apart from all of this, drg has been showing his unstoppable form from early 2012 again. I'd make an argument of him being better than parting tbph, and he went 3-4 against life at ironsquid, losing after failing an all in impressively. To argue that parting and life are untouchable by everyone else in the ro16 seems a little silly. Haha DRG recently seems like he has two modes. He has like this super angry mode where he just looks super focused and angry and just kills everyone, and then he also has this other relaxed mode where he just looks chill and relaxed and happy and somehow doesn't play as well. Dongs in general seem to perform best when angry and inflamed. Still waiting for some GM smurf named DongSprayGoo Have a little subtlety please. Oh that's nothing compared to what we saw earlier in the thread.
yea that was just......why??
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On February 02 2013 16:45 samurai80 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 16:39 lichter wrote:On February 02 2013 16:35 babylon wrote:On February 02 2013 16:31 TommyP wrote:On February 02 2013 16:30 babylon wrote:On February 02 2013 16:29 TommyP wrote:On February 02 2013 16:27 sitromit wrote:On February 02 2013 16:13 Mohdoo wrote:On February 02 2013 16:10 Hall0wed wrote:On February 02 2013 16:09 Mohdoo wrote:
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By what logic could you arrive at this conclusion? What has shown Bomber to be a threat to Parting? I don't think you actually watch Starcraft. Thank you for the thorough explanation. You make a convincing argument and have contributed a lot to this discussion. As long as Parting's results are as they are, and Bomber's are the way his are (lets look at tournament results), the burden of proof lies on Bomber to show why he would be favored against someone who just secured an extremely lucrative contract. Why do you think it was Parting and not Bomber? Why do you think Parting has won so much and not Bomber? There is no clear indication of Bomber being a favorite, whereas there is a lot showing the opposite. Its not constructive to say I don't watch Starcraft and it doesn't support your case at all. Stop pretending its obvious when trends in the scene indicate otherwise. Bomber has the highest TvP ELO, and his recent results against Protoss are extremely good. His all time TvP is 77.5%, which is pretty much an insanity. all time in Korea or internationally? I know DRG's ZvZ internationally is like 75 but like 60 in Korea so it obviously makes a huge difference. Bomber's TvP in Korea is 77.5%. His International (hilariously enough) is lower, at 68%. lol thats weird yea if youre over like 50 percent in a match up youre a complete freaking badass, if its 60 youre a god and if its 70 then yea thats just absolute insanity. Fun fact, StarTale is good at vP in general. The top three vP ELOs of all time are Squirtle, Life, and Bomber in that order. #5 is Oz lololol For vP win rate, this is also interesting : http://aligulac.com/periods/76/?page=1&sort=vp&race=ptzrs&nats=all
Heh, Madbull is #12 because he went 1-2 vs PartinG and 2-0 Vampire
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Every group is a group of death omg gonna be expecting some insane games
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