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On February 02 2013 16:10 Hall0wed wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 16:09 Mohdoo wrote:On February 02 2013 16:08 Shellshock1122 wrote:On February 02 2013 16:08 Mohdoo wrote:On February 02 2013 16:07 opterown wrote:On February 02 2013 16:06 Mohdoo wrote:
Laughable that people say Life/Parting isn't the hardest group. Cannot believe that. That is perhaps the most stacked group to ever exist in the GSL. haha good joke Life and Parting are the current top tier of the SC2 scene. Bogus, DRG, none of them are on their level. No one in that group would be favored above Parting and Life. Bomber would be favored against Parting By what logic could you arrive at this conclusion? What has shown Bomber to be a threat to Parting? I don't think you actually watch Starcraft.
Thank you for the thorough explanation. You make a convincing argument and have contributed a lot to this discussion. As long as Parting's results are as they are, and Bomber's are the way his are (lets look at tournament results), the burden of proof lies on Bomber to show why he would be favored against someone who just secured an extremely lucrative contract. Why do you think it was Parting and not Bomber? Why do you think Parting has won so much and not Bomber? There is no clear indication of Bomber being a favorite, whereas there is a lot showing the opposite. Its not constructive to say I don't watch Starcraft and it doesn't support your case at all. Stop pretending its obvious when trends in the scene indicate otherwise.
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new Gom studio in march. uuh. looking forward to that!
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On February 02 2013 16:08 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 16:07 opterown wrote:On February 02 2013 16:06 Mohdoo wrote:
Laughable that people say Life/Parting isn't the hardest group. Cannot believe that. That is perhaps the most stacked group to ever exist in the GSL. haha good joke Life and Parting are the current top tier of the SC2 scene. Bogus, DRG, none of them are on their level. No one in that group would be favored above Parting and Life. Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 16:08 vthree wrote:On February 02 2013 16:06 Mohdoo wrote:
Laughable that people say Life/Parting isn't the hardest group. Cannot believe that. That is perhaps the most stacked group to ever exist in the GSL. I think it is mostly because of B4. Although most people(including me) didn't pick B4 to make it out of his Ro32 group. Irrelevant. Any group with Life and Parting would be a gigantic upset for it to not be Parting and Life making it out. Borderline impossible.
I disagree with your statement regarding Life and Parting as there are a few players who are favored against them. Not better than them overall, but in specific matchups, there are.
But that aside, about your bolded part.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_of_death
"A group of death in a multi-stage tournament is a group which is unusually competitive, because the number of strong competitors in the group is greater than the number of qualifying places available for the next phase of the tournament. Thus, in the group phase, one or more strong competitors in the "group of death" will necessarily be eliminated, who would otherwise have been expected to progress further in the tournament"
Roro and B4 disqualify this as a group of death.
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United States33706 Posts
interpreter guy and Losira should make a chill-out club
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TLADT24920 Posts
Why is everyone ignoring RorO? I mean ya, maybe he's being a bit cocky but who knows if he can take down life or not. I mean he's confident in his ZvZ and life isn't invincible either 
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First time watching this. Good show.
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On February 02 2013 16:13 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 16:10 Hall0wed wrote:On February 02 2013 16:09 Mohdoo wrote:On February 02 2013 16:08 Shellshock1122 wrote:On February 02 2013 16:08 Mohdoo wrote:On February 02 2013 16:07 opterown wrote:On February 02 2013 16:06 Mohdoo wrote:
Laughable that people say Life/Parting isn't the hardest group. Cannot believe that. That is perhaps the most stacked group to ever exist in the GSL. haha good joke Life and Parting are the current top tier of the SC2 scene. Bogus, DRG, none of them are on their level. No one in that group would be favored above Parting and Life. Bomber would be favored against Parting By what logic could you arrive at this conclusion? What has shown Bomber to be a threat to Parting? I don't think you actually watch Starcraft. Thank you for the thorough explanation. You make a convincing argument and have contributed a lot to this discussion. As long as Parting's results are as they are, and Bomber's are the way his are (lets look at tournament results), the burden of proof lies on Bomber to show why he would be favored against someone who just secured an extremely lucrative contract. Why do you think it was Parting and not Bomber? Why do you think Parting has won so much and not Bomber? There is no clear indication of Bomber being a favorite, whereas there is a lot showing the opposite. Its not constructive to say I don't watch Starcraft and it doesn't support your case at all. Stop pretending its obvious when trends in the scene indicate otherwise.
take a look at recent parting vs. T and bomber vs. P
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A: DRG/ Whichever Terran is playing best that day (I'll go with bogus)
B: Squirtle/Soulkey
C: Gumiho/Curious
D: Parting/RorO
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A: Bomber
B: Squirtle
C: Who Cares
D: Who Cares
Squirtle vs. Bomber finals.
Sorry DRG I still love you.
edit: Changed my mind for group D, gonna be B4/Roro just to piss the crazy dude off.
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United States97277 Posts
A: DRG/Bomber
B: Soulkey/Symbol
C: Curious/Losira
D: Life/BBoongBBoong (you'll all see!)
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On February 02 2013 16:13 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 16:10 Hall0wed wrote:On February 02 2013 16:09 Mohdoo wrote:On February 02 2013 16:08 Shellshock1122 wrote:On February 02 2013 16:08 Mohdoo wrote:On February 02 2013 16:07 opterown wrote:On February 02 2013 16:06 Mohdoo wrote:
Laughable that people say Life/Parting isn't the hardest group. Cannot believe that. That is perhaps the most stacked group to ever exist in the GSL. haha good joke Life and Parting are the current top tier of the SC2 scene. Bogus, DRG, none of them are on their level. No one in that group would be favored above Parting and Life. Bomber would be favored against Parting By what logic could you arrive at this conclusion? What has shown Bomber to be a threat to Parting? I don't think you actually watch Starcraft. Thank you for the thorough explanation. You make a convincing argument and have contributed a lot to this discussion. As long as Parting's results are as they are, and Bomber's are the way his are (lets look at tournament results), the burden of proof lies on Bomber to show why he would be favored against someone who just secured an extremely lucrative contract. Why do you think it was Parting and not Bomber? Why do you think Parting has won so much and not Bomber? There is no clear indication of Bomber being a favorite, whereas there is a lot showing the opposite. Its not constructive to say I don't watch Starcraft and it doesn't support your case at all. Stop pretending its obvious when trends in the scene indicate otherwise.
How does someone having a massive contract compared to another make him a favorite?
In sports we see all the time where the team that has the one of the most expensive rosters does terrible.
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TLADT24920 Posts
I do hope Bogus advances. His games against Stephano(especially game 1) were sick and if he had better control, even sicker lol.
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In other news, poor Leenock is streaming now, when he should have been in the studio 
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Parting must be really happy... CHOO FKING CHOOOOO
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Mohdoo, are you being serious? Look how many people are arguing against you...just stop it.
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On February 02 2013 16:13 samurai80 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 16:11 vthree wrote:On February 02 2013 16:08 Mohdoo wrote:On February 02 2013 16:07 opterown wrote:On February 02 2013 16:06 Mohdoo wrote:
Laughable that people say Life/Parting isn't the hardest group. Cannot believe that. That is perhaps the most stacked group to ever exist in the GSL. haha good joke Life and Parting are the current top tier of the SC2 scene. Bogus, DRG, none of them are on their level. No one in that group would be favored above Parting and Life. On February 02 2013 16:08 vthree wrote:On February 02 2013 16:06 Mohdoo wrote:
Laughable that people say Life/Parting isn't the hardest group. Cannot believe that. That is perhaps the most stacked group to ever exist in the GSL. I think it is mostly because of B4. Although most people(including me) didn't pick B4 to make it out of his Ro32 group. Irrelevant. Any group with Life and Parting would be a gigantic upset for it to not be Parting and Life making it out. Borderline impossible. Well, it depends how you define 'hard'. Some people look at it as 'how hard is it to beat the 'top' 2 players?' - In this case, it would be very hard Some people look at it as 'how hard is it to beat the 'bottom' 2 players?' - In this case, it is not as hard. Hard to qualify to RO4 ?
I think you mean Ro8. But that is my point, How hard is it to advance depends on from which players perspective.
Let's look a more extreme example to illustrate this.
If there was a group with 2 GM players and 2 bronze players. The group would be 'hard' for the bronze players while being 'easy' for the 2 GM players.
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Parting's PvT is a 60.56%, which is pretty damn good.
Bomber's TvP is 77.55%.
Okay, letting that sink in for a bit. Done?
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On February 02 2013 16:13 kc2siq wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 16:08 Mohdoo wrote:On February 02 2013 16:07 opterown wrote:On February 02 2013 16:06 Mohdoo wrote:
Laughable that people say Life/Parting isn't the hardest group. Cannot believe that. That is perhaps the most stacked group to ever exist in the GSL. haha good joke Life and Parting are the current top tier of the SC2 scene. Bogus, DRG, none of them are on their level. No one in that group would be favored above Parting and Life. On February 02 2013 16:08 vthree wrote:On February 02 2013 16:06 Mohdoo wrote:
Laughable that people say Life/Parting isn't the hardest group. Cannot believe that. That is perhaps the most stacked group to ever exist in the GSL. I think it is mostly because of B4. Although most people(including me) didn't pick B4 to make it out of his Ro32 group. Irrelevant. Any group with Life and Parting would be a gigantic upset for it to not be Parting and Life making it out. Borderline impossible. I disagree with your statement regarding Life and Parting as there are a few players who are favored against them. Not better than them overall, but in specific matchups, there are. But that aside, about your bolded part. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_of_death"A group of death in a multi-stage tournament is a group which is unusually competitive, because the number of strong competitors in the group is greater than the number of qualifying places available for the next phase of the tournament. Thus, in the group phase, one or more strong competitors in the "group of death" will necessarily be eliminated, who would otherwise have been expected to progress further in the tournament" Roro and B4 disqualify this as a group of death.
Nice one. I am a bit sleepy right now but this makes sense.
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On February 02 2013 16:12 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 16:10 Mohdoo wrote:On February 02 2013 16:09 opterown wrote:On February 02 2013 16:08 Mohdoo wrote:On February 02 2013 16:07 opterown wrote:On February 02 2013 16:06 Mohdoo wrote:
Laughable that people say Life/Parting isn't the hardest group. Cannot believe that. That is perhaps the most stacked group to ever exist in the GSL. haha good joke Life and Parting are the current top tier of the SC2 scene. Bogus, DRG, none of them are on their level. No one in that group would be favored above Parting and Life. That is perhaps the most stacked group to ever exist in the GSL --> no Explain how any group could possibly be guaranteed to go a certain way. The certainty with which Parting and Life will advance is so high that I am saying no other group could possibly be so guaranteed with any other configuration of another 2 additional players. Put any 2 other players in a group with Life and Parting and its the same result: Parting and Life advance. Anything else is a massive upset. yeah, which makes it not that stacked of a group.
I think we are just using different definitions of a stacked group. I define the extent to which a group is stacked as the difficulty to advance. I think you define it as a summation of overall player quality. I do believe that according to my definition, it is the most stacked group. And by your (assumed) definition, the DRG group is the most stacked.
Explanation:
Parting = "11"
Life = "11"
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Highest otherwise "rating", 9.5. I consider them a step ahead, especially in a GSL environment where preparation is so important. However, if summing "rating", I do agree that the DRG group has the highest sum. However, if we are to use my definition, I do think any other player has the lowest chance of advancing from the parting group than any other group.
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