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wklbishop
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1286 Posts
January 14 2013 11:43 GMT
#1501
OH YEAH!

Best BW Protoss bossing it up in SC2!

And I don't want to start an Elephants shitfest so if you say I'm wrong then I'll agree with you. But it feels like for the most part with a few exceptions (ex. Bisu and Stork), the best BW players at the time of the switch seem to be doing well relative to their peers. Though it feels like terran seems to have translated the best in terms of skill.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-14 11:44:38
January 14 2013 11:44 GMT
#1502
On January 14 2013 20:43 Proseat wrote:
Jangbi getting the second 3-game streak break this round.

Scoring:
KHAN +2
EGTL +1
Bbatta +3
HerO +6
Jangbi +10
all other KHAN players +1

lol. My day consists of: Hydra +10, Jangbi -10, Reality -1 T_T
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xN.07)MaK
Profile Joined January 2006
Spain1159 Posts
January 14 2013 11:44 GMT
#1503
On January 14 2013 20:40 Malinor wrote:
I don't know how to blame the coach here. Taeja and Jaedong are not there, so the only other viable options are probably Huk and JYP, since I don't think Zenio or Thorzain could have won against Jangbi. Maybe putting your faith in 3 PvPs in a row feels like a better plan? I don't know about that.
That Jangbi played 4gate on Arkanoid last week doesn't mean shit that he is gonna do it again. And you cannot really blame HerO much for that loss, especially since we don't know if he even trained on Arkanoid (he probably trained mostly for Entombed and Ohana, but not much for the fifth map in the series when he expected to be needed probably on the 2nd or 3rd map).
The only strange choice is Puma, but he might just have trained that map all week long, so we don't know that.
Without Jaedong and Taeja, plus Stephano losing the first map, TL is not as deep a team as some make it out to be.

And finally, Jangbi played freakishly well, as did HerO. Sometimes good players just win three matches.


Every choice available was better than Puma. The coaches know this, we know this. So they are to blame, as it is their job to put the team in the best possible position to win the matches given the players they have.

If we agree that Puma was not the best option, then they sent it for different reasons than actually winning. This is why this is so frustrating.
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netherDrake
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Singapore1831 Posts
January 14 2013 11:45 GMT
#1504
disappointing... i hope they use their strongest (imo) 4 of jaedong/stephano/hero/taeja next round, cant afford any more losses.
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Testuser
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
6469 Posts
January 14 2013 11:45 GMT
#1505
On January 14 2013 20:44 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 20:43 Proseat wrote:
Jangbi getting the second 3-game streak break this round.

Scoring:
KHAN +2
EGTL +1
Bbatta +3
HerO +6
Jangbi +10
all other KHAN players +1

lol. My day consists of: Hydra +10, Jangbi -10, Reality -1 T_T

*hi5* bro, I know that feeling ...

I really expected him to do terribly in PL, but ... oh, how wrong I was ...
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NicksonReyes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Philippines4431 Posts
January 14 2013 11:45 GMT
#1506
On January 14 2013 20:41 PressItDown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 20:39 NicksonReyes wrote:
Yes, now that they can use a powerful combination like Stephano-HerO-Revival in a single match, we should still put all blame to the coaching for not being able to close out a match because getting your other players experience in the booth won't help at all in the long run unlike what they think. This is all definitely their fault.


Giving them the exposure and experience AND still closing out the match with a victory? That would be a job well done.

Giving away multiple victories on the pretense of i am giving my players the exposure and experience they need in the booth, landing the team a 7th place in the league rankings? I believe you have your answer

If I have to spell it out for you, all I want to say is that you can also blame the other the 3(the powerhouse, with Stephano leading them, the best of the best, the messiah EG-TL had been waiting for, for so long) for losing to BBatta/Jangbi lololol.
"Start yo" -FlaSh
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
January 14 2013 11:45 GMT
#1507
On January 14 2013 20:43 wklbishop wrote:
OH YEAH!

Best BW Protoss bossing it up in SC2!

And I don't want to start an Elephants shitfest so if you say I'm wrong then I'll agree with you. But it feels like for the most part with a few exceptions (ex. Bisu and Stork), the best BW players at the time of the switch seem to be doing well relative to their peers. Though it feels like terran seems to have translated the best in terms of skill.


Yeah, Bisu and Stork aren't used to the super passive play that protoss in SC2 delivers. Terran and Zerg can still be aggressive, so they'll adapt a little bit better.
Jenia6109
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Russian Federation1613 Posts
January 14 2013 11:45 GMT
#1508
(P)JangBi, legend of the... now is winter... no matter
INnoVation TY Maru | Classic Stats Dear sOs Zest herO | Rogue Dark soO
DrakeFZX3
Profile Joined October 2010
United States925 Posts
January 14 2013 11:46 GMT
#1509
EG-TL needs to take advantage of their players' higher prowess in WoL and win some matches.

Because once Round 4 starts and HotS begins, that inherent advantage is gone.

Going into Round 4 as the bottom 4 teams is gonna be tough.
CCa1ss1e
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3231 Posts
January 14 2013 11:46 GMT
#1510
jangbanged! no way!!

XD
~ The Ultimate Weapon
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
January 14 2013 11:47 GMT
#1511
On January 14 2013 20:46 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
EG-TL needs to take advantage of their players' higher prowess in WoL and win some matches.

Because once Round 4 starts and HotS begins, that inherent advantage is gone.

Going into Round 4 as the bottom 4 teams is gonna be tough.


They tried against KT and got all killed lol...That's when you had Taeja, Hero, Revival, and JYP. Only missing Stephano though.
DrakeFZX3
Profile Joined October 2010
United States925 Posts
January 14 2013 11:47 GMT
#1512
On January 14 2013 20:45 NicksonReyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 20:41 PressItDown wrote:
On January 14 2013 20:39 NicksonReyes wrote:
Yes, now that they can use a powerful combination like Stephano-HerO-Revival in a single match, we should still put all blame to the coaching for not being able to close out a match because getting your other players experience in the booth won't help at all in the long run unlike what they think. This is all definitely their fault.


Giving them the exposure and experience AND still closing out the match with a victory? That would be a job well done.

Giving away multiple victories on the pretense of i am giving my players the exposure and experience they need in the booth, landing the team a 7th place in the league rankings? I believe you have your answer

If I have to spell it out for you, all I want to say is that you can also blame the other the 3(the powerhouse, with Stephano leading them, the best of the best, the messiah EG-TL had been waiting for, for so long) for losing to BBatta/Jangbi lololol.


People are having problems with that Puma pick than anything else.
DrakeFZX3
Profile Joined October 2010
United States925 Posts
January 14 2013 11:47 GMT
#1513
On January 14 2013 20:47 BlazeFury01 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 20:46 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
EG-TL needs to take advantage of their players' higher prowess in WoL and win some matches.

Because once Round 4 starts and HotS begins, that inherent advantage is gone.

Going into Round 4 as the bottom 4 teams is gonna be tough.


They tried against KT and got all killed lol...That's when you had Taeja, Hero, Revival, and JYP. Only missing Stephano though.


I rather they try more than not. Wouldn't you?
munchmunch
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada789 Posts
January 14 2013 11:48 GMT
#1514
On January 14 2013 20:43 BlazeFury01 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 20:42 munchmunch wrote:
On January 14 2013 20:34 Tobblish wrote:
On January 14 2013 20:31 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
On January 14 2013 20:30 Clefairy wrote:
Hwanni is way too nice to the crappy players. It's obvious to everyone but him that Huk, Thorzain, and Puma will be free wins most of the time. Stop giving them opportunities to throw the game. Use the obvious best players but in a good order like the other teams do.


I believe coaching decisions have cost them at least 2 matches in both rounds of the SPL so far.

IIRC Hwanni and Trot have said they will pick players not based on winning but who can get the most experience of the match.
Same with LG-IM thats why you should NEVER trust on them in Team Leagues.. T_T
Really? If that's true (anybody have a link?) then that explains a lot. Really hard to cheer for EG-TL if that's their philosophy... I want to cheer for a team that's going all-out to win. Maybe it's time to shift loyalties back to CJ.


lol -- yes you should definitely start cheering for Kespa teams. Teams like EG-TL have already peaked. The Kespa teams are only going to get better.
The main reason for cheering for EG-TL is that I know the players and what they are capable of. And I feel some loyalty to TL, could easily cheer for them no matter what. But with EG-TL, somethings missing (mainly TL players). I definitely liked CJ as a BW team, Effort and Hydra were great zergs in particular. Not sure how I feel about them as SC2 players. Maybe Stars is the way to go. Or SKT... not a big fan previously, but I do like Parting.
PressItDown
Profile Joined July 2011
Singapore74 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-14 11:51:01
January 14 2013 11:48 GMT
#1515
On January 14 2013 20:45 NicksonReyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 20:41 PressItDown wrote:
On January 14 2013 20:39 NicksonReyes wrote:
Yes, now that they can use a powerful combination like Stephano-HerO-Revival in a single match, we should still put all blame to the coaching for not being able to close out a match because getting your other players experience in the booth won't help at all in the long run unlike what they think. This is all definitely their fault.


Giving them the exposure and experience AND still closing out the match with a victory? That would be a job well done.

Giving away multiple victories on the pretense of i am giving my players the exposure and experience they need in the booth, landing the team a 7th place in the league rankings? I believe you have your answer

If I have to spell it out for you, all I want to say is that you can also blame the other the 3(the powerhouse, with Stephano leading them, the best of the best, the messiah EG-TL had been waiting for, for so long) for losing to BBatta/Jangbi lololol.


You said it, so precisely cause of their losses you send out PUMA??? The decision to send out PUMA would have been way better still if the powerhouses have won.

Imagine stephano had the 3 kill, taeja, jaedong, hero being available to play. Send out PUMA, if he closes out and win, great news. If he loses, EGTL still had so many potential ace players to send out.

But look at it, stephano had lost, hero went down after a 3 kill, taeja/jaedong wasn't available. They only had revival/jyp/zenio/huk/tfunk. Sends out puma instead of betting on revival+jyp/zenio.

Still going to give them the exposure despite the higher risk of losing?
Yes, i suck.
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
January 14 2013 11:48 GMT
#1516
Actually I'm happy KHAN picked it up a little bit. However if not for EG's coach decisions KHAN would have probable lost. Lol, EG did it again, haha
dubRa
Profile Joined December 2008
2165 Posts
January 14 2013 11:48 GMT
#1517
On January 14 2013 20:41 Clefairy wrote:
EG-TL should be racking up the wins in the WoL portion of proleague while they still can with their top players. When round 4 starts with HotS their clear advantage in skill will be reset and there's a good chance they'll fall to the bottom. Giving experience to their lesser players has no benefits.


EGTL this week:
Hero 3-2
Revival 3-3
Stephano 2-2
JYP 2-3
Thorzain 0-1
Puma 0-1

So what is that clear advantage in skill you speak of?

BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
January 14 2013 11:49 GMT
#1518
On January 14 2013 20:47 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 20:47 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On January 14 2013 20:46 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
EG-TL needs to take advantage of their players' higher prowess in WoL and win some matches.

Because once Round 4 starts and HotS begins, that inherent advantage is gone.

Going into Round 4 as the bottom 4 teams is gonna be tough.


They tried against KT and got all killed lol...That's when you had Taeja, Hero, Revival, and JYP. Only missing Stephano though.


I rather they try more than not. Wouldn't you?


That's true, the best line up should always be on the roster.
Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
January 14 2013 11:49 GMT
#1519
On January 14 2013 20:43 BlazeFury01 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 20:42 munchmunch wrote:
On January 14 2013 20:34 Tobblish wrote:
On January 14 2013 20:31 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
On January 14 2013 20:30 Clefairy wrote:
Hwanni is way too nice to the crappy players. It's obvious to everyone but him that Huk, Thorzain, and Puma will be free wins most of the time. Stop giving them opportunities to throw the game. Use the obvious best players but in a good order like the other teams do.


I believe coaching decisions have cost them at least 2 matches in both rounds of the SPL so far.

IIRC Hwanni and Trot have said they will pick players not based on winning but who can get the most experience of the match.
Same with LG-IM thats why you should NEVER trust on them in Team Leagues.. T_T
Really? If that's true (anybody have a link?) then that explains a lot. Really hard to cheer for EG-TL if that's their philosophy... I want to cheer for a team that's going all-out to win. Maybe it's time to shift loyalties back to CJ.


lol -- yes you should definitely start cheering for Kespa teams. Teams like EG-TL have already peaked. The Kespa teams are only going to get better.

I think EG-TLs philosophy is just terrible if that's true...basically it says if you're a terrible player without a clue i'm gonna let u play,so u can fuck up the score for those that actually win some games...don't think that's a winners attitude
(•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) ~Keep calm and inject Larva~
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4759 Posts
January 14 2013 11:49 GMT
#1520
On January 14 2013 20:44 xN.07)MaK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 20:40 Malinor wrote:
I don't know how to blame the coach here. Taeja and Jaedong are not there, so the only other viable options are probably Huk and JYP, since I don't think Zenio or Thorzain could have won against Jangbi. Maybe putting your faith in 3 PvPs in a row feels like a better plan? I don't know about that.
That Jangbi played 4gate on Arkanoid last week doesn't mean shit that he is gonna do it again. And you cannot really blame HerO much for that loss, especially since we don't know if he even trained on Arkanoid (he probably trained mostly for Entombed and Ohana, but not much for the fifth map in the series when he expected to be needed probably on the 2nd or 3rd map).
The only strange choice is Puma, but he might just have trained that map all week long, so we don't know that.
Without Jaedong and Taeja, plus Stephano losing the first map, TL is not as deep a team as some make it out to be.

And finally, Jangbi played freakishly well, as did HerO. Sometimes good players just win three matches.


Every choice available was better than Puma. The coaches know this, we know this. So they are to blame, as it is their job to put the team in the best possible position to win the matches given the players they have.

If we agree that Puma was not the best option, then they sent it for different reasons than actually winning. This is why this is so frustrating.


No, we certainly do not know this. We're sitting at home in front of our computer screens and base our opinion on 3 games or so he played the last month. He might very well just have trained his ass off on this map for several weeks now. We don't know shit, we just speculate.
And as if Huk, which has yet to win a game in FPL, or JYP are clearly obvious the better choices. JYP has also been mediocre since eternity and just won a couple games in R1, which might as well just have been a lucky break. Again, we don't know this or how their training went.
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