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On January 14 2013 20:45 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 20:43 wklbishop wrote:
OH YEAH!
Best BW Protoss bossing it up in SC2!
And I don't want to start an Elephants shitfest so if you say I'm wrong then I'll agree with you. But it feels like for the most part with a few exceptions (ex. Bisu and Stork), the best BW players at the time of the switch seem to be doing well relative to their peers. Though it feels like terran seems to have translated the best in terms of skill. Yeah, Bisu and Stork aren't used to the super passive play that protoss in SC2 delivers. Terran and Zerg can still be aggressive, so they'll adapt a little bit better.
Actually Flash has changed his style quite a lot, since terrans have to be much more on the offensive in SC2 than in bw.
I think it mostly boils down to practice and motivation, Flash mentioned an insane amount of games played.
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Jangbi vZ record is actually good. 3 losses in last 10 PvZ matches.
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On January 14 2013 20:48 munchmunch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 20:43 BlazeFury01 wrote:On January 14 2013 20:42 munchmunch wrote:On January 14 2013 20:34 Tobblish wrote:On January 14 2013 20:31 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On January 14 2013 20:30 Clefairy wrote:
Hwanni is way too nice to the crappy players. It's obvious to everyone but him that Huk, Thorzain, and Puma will be free wins most of the time. Stop giving them opportunities to throw the game. Use the obvious best players but in a good order like the other teams do. I believe coaching decisions have cost them at least 2 matches in both rounds of the SPL so far. IIRC Hwanni and Trot have said they will pick players not based on winning but who can get the most experience of the match. Same with LG-IM thats why you should NEVER trust on them in Team Leagues.. T_T Really? If that's true (anybody have a link?) then that explains a lot. Really hard to cheer for EG-TL if that's their philosophy... I want to cheer for a team that's going all-out to win. Maybe it's time to shift loyalties back to CJ. lol -- yes you should definitely start cheering for Kespa teams. Teams like EG-TL have already peaked. The Kespa teams are only going to get better. The main reason for cheering for EG-TL is that I know the players and what they are capable of. And I feel some loyalty to TL, could easily cheer for them no matter what. But with EG-TL, somethings missing (mainly TL players). I definitely liked CJ as a BW team, Effort and Hydra were great zergs in particular. Not sure how I feel about them as SC2 players. Maybe Stars is the way to go. Or SKT... not a big fan previously, but I do like Parting.
EG-TL have peaked though. Hydra just scored an All-Kill today. Maybe you should start cheering for CJ again. But, you can very well cheer for both EG-TL and CJ. Nothing says that you can't. 
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Shine got sent out in Ace matche with a record of 0-6, and he won. Puma isn't too bad of a choice considering some top players can't play.
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On January 14 2013 20:48 PressItDown wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 20:45 NicksonReyes wrote:On January 14 2013 20:41 PressItDown wrote:On January 14 2013 20:39 NicksonReyes wrote:
Yes, now that they can use a powerful combination like Stephano-HerO-Revival in a single match, we should still put all blame to the coaching for not being able to close out a match because getting your other players experience in the booth won't help at all in the long run unlike what they think. This is all definitely their fault. Giving them the exposure and experience AND still closing out the match with a victory? That would be a job well done. Giving away multiple victories on the pretense of i am giving my players the exposure and experience they need in the booth, landing the team a 7th place in the league rankings? I believe you have your answer  If I have to spell it out for you, all I want to say is that you can also blame the other the 3(the powerhouse, with Stephano leading them, the best of the best, the messiah EG-TL had been waiting for, for so long) for losing to BBatta/Jangbi lololol. You said it, so precisely cause of their losses you send out PUMA??? The decision to send out PUMA would have been way better still if the powerhouses have won.
On January 14 2013 20:47 DrakeFZX3 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 20:45 NicksonReyes wrote:On January 14 2013 20:41 PressItDown wrote:On January 14 2013 20:39 NicksonReyes wrote:
Yes, now that they can use a powerful combination like Stephano-HerO-Revival in a single match, we should still put all blame to the coaching for not being able to close out a match because getting your other players experience in the booth won't help at all in the long run unlike what they think. This is all definitely their fault. Giving them the exposure and experience AND still closing out the match with a victory? That would be a job well done. Giving away multiple victories on the pretense of i am giving my players the exposure and experience they need in the booth, landing the team a 7th place in the league rankings? I believe you have your answer If I have to spell it out for you, all I want to say is that you can also blame the other the 3(the powerhouse, with Stephano leading them, the best of the best, the messiah EG-TL had been waiting for, for so long) for losing to BBatta/Jangbi lololol. People are having problems with that Puma pick than anything else.
If Stephano just won at least a game, they wouldn't even have to pick 3 players for today against Khan. If only he was able to play 1/4 of what people said he can do "omg he knows the first 4 maps ALLKILL" but no, he was "hurr durr sniped by random zerg ㅠㅠ"
On January 14 2013 20:51 PressItDown wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 20:39 NicksonReyes wrote:
If Stephano just won at least a game, they wouldn't even have to pick 3 players for today against Khan. If only he was able to play 1/4 of what he's expected do to "omg he knows the first 4 maps ALLKILL" but no, he was "hurr durr sniped by zerg ㅠㅠ" Yup you said it again. IF stephano had won at least a game. Did he?
Yeah he didn't aw  .
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My fantasy would be SEA being here and having closed out the game with mass tanks vs jangbi
On January 14 2013 20:39 NicksonReyes wrote:
If Stephano just won at least a game, they wouldn't even have to pick 3 players for today against Khan. If only he was able to play 1/4 of what he's expected do to "omg he knows the first 4 maps ALLKILL" but no, he was "hurr durr sniped by zerg ㅠㅠ"
Yup you said it again. IF stephano had won at least a game. Did he?
EDIT: I suck at quoting ;p
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On January 14 2013 20:45 NicksonReyes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 20:41 PressItDown wrote:On January 14 2013 20:39 NicksonReyes wrote:
Yes, now that they can use a powerful combination like Stephano-HerO-Revival in a single match, we should still put all blame to the coaching for not being able to close out a match because getting your other players experience in the booth won't help at all in the long run unlike what they think. This is all definitely their fault. Giving them the exposure and experience AND still closing out the match with a victory? That would be a job well done. Giving away multiple victories on the pretense of i am giving my players the exposure and experience they need in the booth, landing the team a 7th place in the league rankings? I believe you have your answer If I have to spell it out for you, all I want to say is that you can also blame the other the 3(the powerhouse, with Stephano leading them, the best of the best, the messiah EG-TL had been waiting for, for so long) for losing to BBatta/Jangbi lololol.
This had me rolling lol
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On January 14 2013 20:49 Malinor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 20:44 xN.07)MaK wrote:On January 14 2013 20:40 Malinor wrote:
I don't know how to blame the coach here. Taeja and Jaedong are not there, so the only other viable options are probably Huk and JYP, since I don't think Zenio or Thorzain could have won against Jangbi. Maybe putting your faith in 3 PvPs in a row feels like a better plan? I don't know about that.
That Jangbi played 4gate on Arkanoid last week doesn't mean shit that he is gonna do it again. And you cannot really blame HerO much for that loss, especially since we don't know if he even trained on Arkanoid (he probably trained mostly for Entombed and Ohana, but not much for the fifth map in the series when he expected to be needed probably on the 2nd or 3rd map).
The only strange choice is Puma, but he might just have trained that map all week long, so we don't know that.
Without Jaedong and Taeja, plus Stephano losing the first map, TL is not as deep a team as some make it out to be.
And finally, Jangbi played freakishly well, as did HerO. Sometimes good players just win three matches. Every choice available was better than Puma. The coaches know this, we know this. So they are to blame, as it is their job to put the team in the best possible position to win the matches given the players they have. If we agree that Puma was not the best option, then they sent it for different reasons than actually winning. This is why this is so frustrating. No, we certainly do not know this. We're sitting at home in front of our computer screens and base our opinion on 3 games or so he played the last month. He might very well just have trained his ass off on this map for several weeks now. We don't know shit, we just speculate. And as if Huk, which has yet to win a game in FPL, or JYP are clearly obvious the better choices. JYP has also been mediocre since eternity and just won a couple games in R1, which might as well just have been a lucky break. Again, we don't know this or how their training went.
We have a lot of games to go by.
He have played before in PL and even the IPTL as well as some other tournaments.
Ofc we can't know 100% because we don't interact with him when training but we know how he plays on the scene.
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On January 14 2013 20:50 letian wrote:
Jangbi vZ record is actually good. 3 losses in last 10 PvZ matches.
 JangBi
I think you were looking at his BW TLPD which is linked in the op
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On January 14 2013 20:50 skYTosS wrote:
Shine got sent out in Ace matche with a record of 0-6, and he won. Puma isn't too bad of a choice considering some top players can't play.
Shine made that match look easy too.
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Stepheno hype is gone...Same thing will happen to every esf player who move to kespa sooner or later....
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What sucks is that Kespa's only competitor will be Kespa. The whole Kespa vs ESF was looking promising but that's dying out really quick. 2013 baby!
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yay jangbi 3-kill <3 he is improving so fast
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On January 14 2013 20:47 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 20:46 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
EG-TL needs to take advantage of their players' higher prowess in WoL and win some matches.
Because once Round 4 starts and HotS begins, that inherent advantage is gone.
Going into Round 4 as the bottom 4 teams is gonna be tough. They tried against KT and got all killed lol...That's when you had Taeja, Hero, Revival, and JYP. Only missing Stephano though.
You have to send those you think have the best shot at winning. If you end up losing, or getting AK by Flash, no regrets. What is unacceptable is to try fancy strategies of sending for the sake of exposure/marketing and ending up losing anyways.
From EG's point of view, it might make sense to have such approach, but don't expect fans to like it.
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Losing to Samsung Khan is a little embarrassing. Hopefully Taeja and Stephano get better soon and carry the team to victory
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On January 14 2013 20:49 Zerg.Zilla wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 20:43 BlazeFury01 wrote:On January 14 2013 20:42 munchmunch wrote:On January 14 2013 20:34 Tobblish wrote:On January 14 2013 20:31 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On January 14 2013 20:30 Clefairy wrote:
Hwanni is way too nice to the crappy players. It's obvious to everyone but him that Huk, Thorzain, and Puma will be free wins most of the time. Stop giving them opportunities to throw the game. Use the obvious best players but in a good order like the other teams do. I believe coaching decisions have cost them at least 2 matches in both rounds of the SPL so far. IIRC Hwanni and Trot have said they will pick players not based on winning but who can get the most experience of the match. Same with LG-IM thats why you should NEVER trust on them in Team Leagues.. T_T Really? If that's true (anybody have a link?) then that explains a lot. Really hard to cheer for EG-TL if that's their philosophy... I want to cheer for a team that's going all-out to win. Maybe it's time to shift loyalties back to CJ. lol -- yes you should definitely start cheering for Kespa teams. Teams like EG-TL have already peaked. The Kespa teams are only going to get better. I think EG-TLs philosophy is just terrible if that's true...basically it says if you're a terrible player without a clue i'm gonna let u play,so u can fuck up the score for those that actually win some games...don't think that's a winners attitude
Man if that was true, where's Zenio lol. Revival barely got here and I think he played in the booth more than him. Poor Zenio not getting any love, or maybe he is and they don't wanna send him to lose!
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On January 14 2013 20:50 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 20:48 munchmunch wrote:On January 14 2013 20:43 BlazeFury01 wrote:On January 14 2013 20:42 munchmunch wrote:On January 14 2013 20:34 Tobblish wrote:On January 14 2013 20:31 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On January 14 2013 20:30 Clefairy wrote:
Hwanni is way too nice to the crappy players. It's obvious to everyone but him that Huk, Thorzain, and Puma will be free wins most of the time. Stop giving them opportunities to throw the game. Use the obvious best players but in a good order like the other teams do. I believe coaching decisions have cost them at least 2 matches in both rounds of the SPL so far. IIRC Hwanni and Trot have said they will pick players not based on winning but who can get the most experience of the match. Same with LG-IM thats why you should NEVER trust on them in Team Leagues.. T_T Really? If that's true (anybody have a link?) then that explains a lot. Really hard to cheer for EG-TL if that's their philosophy... I want to cheer for a team that's going all-out to win. Maybe it's time to shift loyalties back to CJ. lol -- yes you should definitely start cheering for Kespa teams. Teams like EG-TL have already peaked. The Kespa teams are only going to get better. The main reason for cheering for EG-TL is that I know the players and what they are capable of. And I feel some loyalty to TL, could easily cheer for them no matter what. But with EG-TL, somethings missing (mainly TL players). I definitely liked CJ as a BW team, Effort and Hydra were great zergs in particular. Not sure how I feel about them as SC2 players. Maybe Stars is the way to go. Or SKT... not a big fan previously, but I do like Parting. EG-TL have peaked though. Hydra just scored an All-Kill today. Maybe you should start cheering for CJ again. But, you can very well cheer for both EG-TL and CJ. Nothing says that you can't. Hydra with all-kill today?!? I hadn't checked the results yet. Going to watch the VODs and then maybe I will switch. My mode of operation for proleague is to pick one team to cheer for, and then try to watch all the matches. Unfortunately I don't have the time to do this with two teams.
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Good thing I bet on Khan.
Jangbi didn't even play that well, EG-TL is a mess.
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Olli
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