Might get really close, with SKT's heavy hitters only on g5+6 - if they have really bad luck, they might get 4-0ed here. I think Fantasy and Rain might turn it around for a 4-3 in the ace match.
No one related to my fpl team is playing. i guess no bisu and him on my antiteam is going ok, though. Wasn't impressed with Woongjin last wee. SKT should take this
So Bisu is replaced by JyJ - good decision because it's an auto loss at this point... something must change for him to start wining and maybe he should switch to terran.
BisuDagger you dropped the ball. Where's the [SPL] in your thread title? Don't you see the trend in the tournament section of [tournament abbreviation]Name of tournament/part of tournament being played?
Also, sOs > ParalyzE Soulkey > JyJ Flying < soO ZerO < BeSt BrAvO < FanTaSy free < Rain
On December 14 2012 06:58 Elite_ wrote: BisuDagger you dropped the ball. Where's the [SPL] in your thread title? Don't you see the trend in the tournament section of [tournament abbreviation]Name of tournament/part of tournament being played?
Also, sOs > ParalyzE Soulkey > JyJ Flying < soO ZerO < BeSt BrAvO < FanTaSy free < Rain
SKT 4-2.
No skt dropped the ball by not fielding Bisu. Lol, well its been a while since I made an LR and I was at work but thanks for the catch.
On December 15 2012 06:59 ColtraneL wrote: Someone knows if there is any particular reason why Light hasn't been playing since the beginning of the season?
We are hiding him behind curtains until playoffs - or so that he can win his OSL.
On December 15 2012 06:59 ColtraneL wrote: Someone knows if there is any particular reason why Light hasn't been playing since the beginning of the season?
We are hiding him behind curtains until playoffs - or so that he can win his OSL.
Pocari Sweat is a grapefruit flavoured energy drink.. really not that exciting, or nice. It's ok if you're tired or dehydrated, but I didn't like drinking it as just a drink.
On December 15 2012 14:22 eviltomahawk wrote: Hmmm, was that Light with the medical face mask? Perhaps he is still sick?
Does he have like a serious medical problem? Wearing a mask in public is nuts lol
Medical masks are rather common in Asian countries. It's courteous to wear them to prevent others from catching the sickness no matter how minor it is.
On December 15 2012 14:21 eviltomahawk wrote: Pocari Sweat tastes kinda like Gatorade/Powerade, but with a bit less taste while still retaining the sports drink flavor.
On December 15 2012 14:33 ZerglingTwins wrote: These two are pretty good casters. But doubt this situation will last long, cause they will definitely not fly to Korea and stay there for a year.
Pretty sure they're casting from home. I could be wrong though
On December 15 2012 14:33 ZerglingTwins wrote: These two are pretty good casters. But doubt this situation will last long, cause they will definitely not fly to Korea and stay there for a year.
Admins said that TLO and Adebisi would cast on the 17th and 18th.
On December 15 2012 14:36 larse wrote: There are several ways to get Korean streams. If you don't like English casting, just go to Korean stream, which is what I do.
Both korean Streams are not working for me... Are there any other korean streams?
[SPL] Woongjin Stars vs SKT T1 R1 Game 1: 0-0 sHy vs ParalyzE Map: Ohana
0:00 sHy spawns in the bottom right ParalyzE spawns in the top left
1:40 12 gate for ParalyzE 13 gate for sHy
2:00 gas for ParalyzE gas for sHy Cybernetics core for ParalyzE Cybernetics core for sHy zealot for ParalyzE
3:00 2nd gas for sHy 2nd gas for ParalyzE 2nd gate for sHy stalker for ParalyzE stalker for sHy
4:00 another stalker for Paralyze Twilight council for sHy Robo for Paralyze 2 stalkers for sHy
5:00 zealot scout of Paralyze gets into the main of sHy and sees everything blink research started for sHy probe of paralyze sneaks by the stalkers of sHy robo for sHy probe confirms blink still researching immortal started for Paralyze
[SPL] Woongjin Stars vs SKT T1 R1 Game 1: 0-0 sHy vs ParalyzE Map: Ohana
0:00 sHy spawns in the bottom right ParalyzE spawns in the top left
1:40 12 gate for ParalyzE 13 gate for sHy
2:00 gas for ParalyzE gas for sHy Cybernetics core for ParalyzE Cybernetics core for sHy zealot for ParalyzE
3:00 2nd gas for sHy 2nd gas for ParalyzE 2nd gate for sHy stalker for ParalyzE stalker for sHy
4:00 another stalker for Paralyze Twilight council for sHy Robo for Paralyze 2 stalkers for sHy
5:00 zealot scout of Paralyze gets into the main of sHy and sees everything blink research started for sHy probe of paralyze sneaks by the stalkers of sHy robo for sHy probe confirms blink still researching immortal started for Paralyze
6:00 Nexus for ParalyzE observer for sHy 2nd immortal on the way for ParalyzE
7:00 another gateway for ParalyzE observer for ParalyzE nexus for sHy stalkers of sHy try to walk up the natural ramp of Paralyze but they blink away when they see 2 immortals
8:00 immortal started for sHy 3rd immortal for ParalyzE Robotics bay started for sHy
9:00 Robotics Bay started for ParalyzE 2nd observer for Paralyze immortal production continuing for sHy
10:00 Colossus production started for sHy Colossus production started for ParalyzE Extended thermal lance research started for ParalyzE Extended thermal lance research started for sHy forge for ParalyzE forge for sHy
[SPL] Woongjin Stars vs SKT T1 R1 Game 1: 0-0 sHy vs ParalyzE Map: Ohana
0:00 sHy spawns in the bottom right ParalyzE spawns in the top left
1:40 12 gate for ParalyzE 13 gate for sHy
2:00 gas for ParalyzE gas for sHy Cybernetics core for ParalyzE Cybernetics core for sHy zealot for ParalyzE
3:00 2nd gas for sHy 2nd gas for ParalyzE 2nd gate for sHy stalker for ParalyzE stalker for sHy
4:00 another stalker for Paralyze Twilight council for sHy Robo for Paralyze 2 stalkers for sHy
5:00 zealot scout of Paralyze gets into the main of sHy and sees everything blink research started for sHy probe of paralyze sneaks by the stalkers of sHy robo for sHy probe confirms blink still researching immortal started for Paralyze
6:00 Nexus for ParalyzE observer for sHy 2nd immortal on the way for ParalyzE
7:00 another gateway for ParalyzE observer for ParalyzE nexus for sHy stalkers of sHy try to walk up the natural ramp of Paralyze but they blink away when they see 2 immortals
8:00 immortal started for sHy 3rd immortal for ParalyzE Robotics bay started for sHy
9:00 Robotics Bay started for ParalyzE 2nd observer for Paralyze immortal production continuing for sHy
10:00 Colossus production started for sHy Colossus production started for ParalyzE Extended thermal lance research started for ParalyzE Extended thermal lance research started for sHy forge for ParalyzE forge for sHy
11:00 2nd robo for sHy 2nd robo for ParalyzE 2 more gateways for each players +1 attack started for sHy +1 attack started for ParalyzE
12:00 double colossus production for sHy double colossus production for ParalyzE Twilight council on the way for ParalyzE 3rd base started for ParalyzE
13:00 3rd base for sHy small engagement in the middle of the map ParalyzE gets some volleys off on sHy's army
14:00 Paralyze is ahead 5-4 in colossus count; 3-2 in immortal count
15:00 people just making units templar archives finished for sHy and archons are started +2 attack finishing up for both players charge on the way for sHy
[SPL] Woongjin Stars vs SKT T1 R1 Game 1: 0-0 sHy vs ParalyzE Map: Ohana
0:00 sHy spawns in the bottom right ParalyzE spawns in the top left
1:40 12 gate for ParalyzE 13 gate for sHy
2:00 gas for ParalyzE gas for sHy Cybernetics core for ParalyzE Cybernetics core for sHy zealot for ParalyzE
3:00 2nd gas for sHy 2nd gas for ParalyzE 2nd gate for sHy stalker for ParalyzE stalker for sHy
4:00 another stalker for Paralyze Twilight council for sHy Robo for Paralyze 2 stalkers for sHy
5:00 zealot scout of Paralyze gets into the main of sHy and sees everything blink research started for sHy probe of paralyze sneaks by the stalkers of sHy robo for sHy probe confirms blink still researching immortal started for Paralyze
6:00 Nexus for ParalyzE observer for sHy 2nd immortal on the way for ParalyzE
7:00 another gateway for ParalyzE observer for ParalyzE nexus for sHy stalkers of sHy try to walk up the natural ramp of Paralyze but they blink away when they see 2 immortals
8:00 immortal started for sHy 3rd immortal for ParalyzE Robotics bay started for sHy
9:00 Robotics Bay started for ParalyzE 2nd observer for Paralyze immortal production continuing for sHy
10:00 Colossus production started for sHy Colossus production started for ParalyzE Extended thermal lance research started for ParalyzE Extended thermal lance research started for sHy forge for ParalyzE forge for sHy
11:00 2nd robo for sHy 2nd robo for ParalyzE 2 more gateways for each players +1 attack started for sHy +1 attack started for ParalyzE
12:00 double colossus production for sHy double colossus production for ParalyzE Twilight council on the way for ParalyzE 3rd base started for ParalyzE
13:00 3rd base for sHy small engagement in the middle of the map ParalyzE gets some volleys off on sHy's army
14:00 Paralyze is ahead 5-4 in colossus count; 3-2 in immortal count
15:00 people just making units templar archives finished for sHy and archons are started +2 attack finishing up for both players charge on the way for sHy
16:00 Templar archives for ParalyzE ParalyzE switches back into double immortal production 4th base started for ParalyzE +3 attack started for sHy
17:00 ParalyzE starts adding in archons 8 colossi vs 8 colossi 6 immortals vs 4 immortals in favor of ParalyzE
18:00 4th base started for sHy sHy has 10 more workers at max +3 attack started for ParalyzE observer of sHy is killed off stalker runby at the natural of Paralyze stalkers run into the 3rd to avoid immortals Paralyze countering at the 4th of sHy
19:00 4th base of sHy is canceled +1 armor started for sHy 4th base restarted for sHy
20:00 Paralyze throwing away his gateway units to free up supply for more archons warp prism coming out for sHy
[SPL] Woongjin Stars vs SKT T1 R1 Game 1: 0-0 sHy vs ParalyzE Map: Ohana
0:00 sHy spawns in the bottom right ParalyzE spawns in the top left
1:40 12 gate for ParalyzE 13 gate for sHy
2:00 gas for ParalyzE gas for sHy Cybernetics core for ParalyzE Cybernetics core for sHy zealot for ParalyzE
3:00 2nd gas for sHy 2nd gas for ParalyzE 2nd gate for sHy stalker for ParalyzE stalker for sHy
4:00 another stalker for Paralyze Twilight council for sHy Robo for Paralyze 2 stalkers for sHy
5:00 zealot scout of Paralyze gets into the main of sHy and sees everything blink research started for sHy probe of paralyze sneaks by the stalkers of sHy robo for sHy probe confirms blink still researching immortal started for Paralyze
6:00 Nexus for ParalyzE observer for sHy 2nd immortal on the way for ParalyzE
7:00 another gateway for ParalyzE observer for ParalyzE nexus for sHy stalkers of sHy try to walk up the natural ramp of Paralyze but they blink away when they see 2 immortals
8:00 immortal started for sHy 3rd immortal for ParalyzE Robotics bay started for sHy
9:00 Robotics Bay started for ParalyzE 2nd observer for Paralyze immortal production continuing for sHy
10:00 Colossus production started for sHy Colossus production started for ParalyzE Extended thermal lance research started for ParalyzE Extended thermal lance research started for sHy forge for ParalyzE forge for sHy
11:00 2nd robo for sHy 2nd robo for ParalyzE 2 more gateways for each players +1 attack started for sHy +1 attack started for ParalyzE
12:00 double colossus production for sHy double colossus production for ParalyzE Twilight council on the way for ParalyzE 3rd base started for ParalyzE
13:00 3rd base for sHy small engagement in the middle of the map ParalyzE gets some volleys off on sHy's army
14:00 Paralyze is ahead 5-4 in colossus count; 3-2 in immortal count
15:00 people just making units templar archives finished for sHy and archons are started +2 attack finishing up for both players charge on the way for sHy
16:00 Templar archives for ParalyzE ParalyzE switches back into double immortal production 4th base started for ParalyzE +3 attack started for sHy
17:00 ParalyzE starts adding in archons 8 colossi vs 8 colossi 6 immortals vs 4 immortals in favor of ParalyzE
18:00 4th base started for sHy sHy has 10 more workers at max +3 attack started for ParalyzE observer of sHy is killed off stalker runby at the natural of Paralyze stalkers run into the 3rd to avoid immortals Paralyze countering at the 4th of sHy
19:00 4th base of sHy is canceled +1 armor started for sHy 4th base restarted for sHy
20:00 Paralyze throwing away his gateway units to free up supply for more archons warp prism coming out for sHy
21:00 10 archons 8 colossi 10 immortals 3 sentry = army of paralyze vs 11 immortals 5 archons 8 colossi 7 zealots warp prism full of zealots heads into the main of ParalyzE
22:00 Paralyze decides to attack sHy is in a good position and gets the first hits for Paralyze backs up stalkers and zealots at home chase the warp prism and zealots away Paralyze attacks again sHy has a huge arc the superior immortal count of Paralyze breaks through the first line of sHy
23:00 sHy is pushed back into his 3rd colossi of sHy are falling Paralyze is up by 10 supply but is way up in colossi count zealots being warped in to just do more damage
24:00 Paralyze is 50 supply ahead now all the colossi of sHy are dead sHy has no army sHy ggs! ParalyzE wins game 1 and puts SKT T1 up 1-0!
On December 15 2012 14:54 nomyx wrote: At least in HOTS we'll see tempest vs tempest instead of colossi beams
Tempests do the same dps as a sentry to other Tempests.
80 to massive air, 3.3 attack cooldown. It won't be Tempest vs Tempest because then blink stalkers and/or voidrays would murder them. It will probably be a nice mix of stuff and none of this colossus blob nonsense
On December 15 2012 14:54 nomyx wrote: At least in HOTS we'll see tempest vs tempest instead of colossi beams
Tempests do the same dps as a sentry to other Tempests.
80 to massive air, 3.3 attack cooldown. It won't be Tempest vs Tempest because then blink stalkers and/or voidrays would murder them. It will probably be a nice mix of stuff and none of this colossus blob nonsense
On December 15 2012 14:54 nomyx wrote: At least in HOTS we'll see tempest vs tempest instead of colossi beams
Tempests do the same dps as a sentry to other Tempests.
80 to massive air, 3.3 attack cooldown. It won't be Tempest vs Tempest because then blink stalkers and/or voidrays would murder them. It will probably be a nice mix of stuff and none of this colossus blob nonsense
Unless someone goes VR first it's definitely Tempests vs Tempests and generally with zealots. If they go blink < speed lots. The meta in PvP in HotS is equally as dumb. Trust me. They just need to remove these units so we don't have lazer beam fights or flying ball fights >.> ;;...
That aside, time for SKT to kick more butt huehuehe soulkey aint got nothin on boxer's boys~~
Shy continuing to look mediocre... looking good for my +9 prediction of Action this week. Need something to make up for baby losing to hitman (wtf?) And mind losing to notsofailhoon (expected). Maybe zero can pull a win out of his ass tonight to help out too.
On December 15 2012 15:08 Dosey wrote: Shy continuing to look mediocre... looking good for my +9 prediction of Action this week. Need something to make up for baby losing to hitman (wtf?) And mind losing to notsofailhoon (expected). Maybe zero can pull a win out of his ass tonight to help out too.
You can tell sc2 is a different game from BW...Bisu not starting, Leta neither. Jaehoon being undefeated so far...
On December 15 2012 15:08 Dosey wrote: Shy continuing to look mediocre... looking good for my +9 prediction of Action this week. Need something to make up for baby losing to hitman (wtf?) And mind losing to notsofailhoon (expected). Maybe zero can pull a win out of his ass tonight to help out too.
You can tell sc2 is a different game from BW...Bisu not starting, Leta neither. Jaehoon being undefeated so far...
Haha Jaehoon is in my antiteam and kicking my butt
WHAT?! Rain is LAST in the line-up?! Why you hate me FPL?!
Ok, I need Soulkey, Flying, and someone else on Woongjin to win so that it goes to 3-2, and then my FPL Captain Rain can win and force it to the ace match and then WIN in the ace match, which is good for a total of 9 points. YEAHHH!
On December 15 2012 15:13 Jacmert wrote: WHAT?! Rain is LAST in the line-up?! Why you hate me FPL?!
Ok, I need Soulkey, Flying, and someone else on Woongjin to win so that it goes to 3-2, and then my FPL Captain Rain can win and force it to the ace match and then WIN in the ace match, which is good for a total of 9 points. YEAHHH!
At least your best case scenerio is possible. I need Flying and Zero to win then Fantasy to win and then Rain to lose.
[SPL] Woongjin Stars vs SKT T1 R1 Game 2: 0-1 Soulkey vs JYJ Map: Antiga Shipyard
0:00 Soulkey spawns in the top right JYJ spawns in the bottom left
2:00 Hatch first for Soulkey CC first for JYJ on the low ground rax for JYJ pool for soulkey gas for JYJ
3:00 gas for Soulkey
4:00 Factory for JYJ ling speed for Soulkey reactor for JYJ
5:00 3rd CC for JYJ inside his main reactored hellion production started for JYJ bunker in the natural for JYJ
6:00 3rd base for Soulkey Marauder production started for JYJ stim research started for JYJ 2nd gas for JYJ 2 more gas for Soulkey
7:00 Lair started for Soulkey 2 more rax for JYJ Starport started for JYJ spine finishes in the natural for Soulkey after he sees the hellion opening double evo chamber started for Soulkey ling runby into the natural of JYJ double ebay for JYJ
8:00 1-1 ling upgrades started for Soulkey 1-1 started for JYJ Spire started for Soulkey as the Lair finishes baneling nest started for soulkey double medivac production started for JYJ
9:00 viking coming out for JYJ for overlord hunting overlord pooping creep denies landing the 3rd of JYJ combat shields started for JYJ marine marauder hellion pushing out with the first 2 medivacs
10:00 the spine falls and the creep is being cleaned up JYJ catches a few banelings morphing and the banelings are cleaned up as they finish mutas started for Soulkey MMH moves into the 3rd of Soulkey lings eventually force a lift
On December 15 2012 15:08 Dosey wrote: Shy continuing to look mediocre... looking good for my +9 prediction of Action this week. Need something to make up for baby losing to hitman (wtf?) And mind losing to notsofailhoon (expected). Maybe zero can pull a win out of his ass tonight to help out too.
You can tell sc2 is a different game from BW...Bisu not starting, Leta neither. Jaehoon being undefeated so far...
Haha Jaehoon is in my antiteam and kicking my butt
I had to dump his ass for stephano. So pissed at myself for selecting him over bisu.
[SPL] Woongjin Stars vs SKT T1 R1 Game 2: 0-1 Soulkey vs JYJ Map: Antiga Shipyard
0:00 Soulkey spawns in the top right JYJ spawns in the bottom left
2:00 Hatch first for Soulkey CC first for JYJ on the low ground rax for JYJ pool for soulkey gas for JYJ
3:00 gas for Soulkey
4:00 Factory for JYJ ling speed for Soulkey reactor for JYJ
5:00 3rd CC for JYJ inside his main reactored hellion production started for JYJ bunker in the natural for JYJ
6:00 3rd base for Soulkey Marauder production started for JYJ stim research started for JYJ 2nd gas for JYJ 2 more gas for Soulkey
7:00 Lair started for Soulkey 2 more rax for JYJ Starport started for JYJ spine finishes in the natural for Soulkey after he sees the hellion opening double evo chamber started for Soulkey ling runby into the natural of JYJ double ebay for JYJ
8:00 1-1 ling upgrades started for Soulkey 1-1 started for JYJ Spire started for Soulkey as the Lair finishes baneling nest started for soulkey double medivac production started for JYJ
9:00 viking coming out for JYJ for overlord hunting overlord pooping creep denies landing the 3rd of JYJ combat shields started for JYJ marine marauder hellion pushing out with the first 2 medivacs
10:00 the spine falls and the creep is being cleaned up JYJ catches a few banelings morphing and the banelings are cleaned up as they finish mutas started for Soulkey MMH moves into the 3rd of Soulkey lings eventually force a lift
11:00 JYJ drops the main with his remaining units but it's cleaned up by mutas 2-2 started for Soulkey a full medivac is found by mutas; it tries to drop it's marines as it dies and lings help clean it up
12:00 missile turrets are up by JYJ to deny mutas siege tanks are now out for JYJ
13:00 2-2 on the way for JYJ +1 vehicle weapons on the way for JYJ siege mode research on the way +1 air attack on the way for Soulkey 4th base started for Soulkey at the top left main baneling speed finishes for Soulkey burrow research started for Soulkey
14:00 mutas move into the main of JYJ and take out the turrets (15 mutas out now) a few scvs are killed before marines chase the mutas away mutas find a drop of JYJ 3 mutas are killed cleaning up the 8 marines 2 bunkers and 5 tanks out for JYJ to defend his natural and 3rd
15:00 Soulkey going for the 2-2 ling baneling muta bust JYJ's army is killed by the combination of units drop at the 4th of Soulkey
[SPL] Woongjin Stars vs SKT T1 R1 Game 2: 0-1 Soulkey vs JYJ Map: Antiga Shipyard
0:00 Soulkey spawns in the top right JYJ spawns in the bottom left
2:00 Hatch first for Soulkey CC first for JYJ on the low ground rax for JYJ pool for soulkey gas for JYJ
3:00 gas for Soulkey
4:00 Factory for JYJ ling speed for Soulkey reactor for JYJ
5:00 3rd CC for JYJ inside his main reactored hellion production started for JYJ bunker in the natural for JYJ
6:00 3rd base for Soulkey Marauder production started for JYJ stim research started for JYJ 2nd gas for JYJ 2 more gas for Soulkey
7:00 Lair started for Soulkey 2 more rax for JYJ Starport started for JYJ spine finishes in the natural for Soulkey after he sees the hellion opening double evo chamber started for Soulkey ling runby into the natural of JYJ double ebay for JYJ
8:00 1-1 ling upgrades started for Soulkey 1-1 started for JYJ Spire started for Soulkey as the Lair finishes baneling nest started for soulkey double medivac production started for JYJ
9:00 viking coming out for JYJ for overlord hunting overlord pooping creep denies landing the 3rd of JYJ combat shields started for JYJ marine marauder hellion pushing out with the first 2 medivacs
10:00 the spine falls and the creep is being cleaned up JYJ catches a few banelings morphing and the banelings are cleaned up as they finish mutas started for Soulkey MMH moves into the 3rd of Soulkey lings eventually force a lift
11:00 JYJ drops the main with his remaining units but it's cleaned up by mutas 2-2 started for Soulkey a full medivac is found by mutas; it tries to drop it's marines as it dies and lings help clean it up
12:00 missile turrets are up by JYJ to deny mutas siege tanks are now out for JYJ
13:00 2-2 on the way for JYJ +1 vehicle weapons on the way for JYJ siege mode research on the way +1 air attack on the way for Soulkey 4th base started for Soulkey at the top left main baneling speed finishes for Soulkey burrow research started for Soulkey
14:00 mutas move into the main of JYJ and take out the turrets (15 mutas out now) a few scvs are killed before marines chase the mutas away mutas find a drop of JYJ 3 mutas are killed cleaning up the 8 marines 2 bunkers and 5 tanks out for JYJ to defend his natural and 3rd
15:00 Soulkey going for the 2-2 ling baneling muta bust JYJ's army is killed by the combination of units drop at the 4th of Soulkey
16:00 4th base of Soulkey falls to the drop 24 banelings morphing for Soulkey in the middle of the map JYJ rebuilding bunkers Thor now out to help defend vs mutas
17:00 Soulkey is grouping up in the middle of the map another drop heading out but an overlord sees it so mutas move to intercept full dropship is killed by mutas 5 tanks out again for JYJ Hive finishing up for Soulkey +1 air carapce started for Soulkey +3 attack started for JYJ
18:00 4th CC started for JYJ +2 vehicle weapons and +3 bio armor started for JYJ adrenal glands started for Soulkey Soulkey cancels +1 air carapace to start his spire +3 melee started for Soulkey 4th base rebuilt for Soulkey
19:00 JYJ starts pushing out on the map and looks to take the center quite a few infestors are out for Soulkey now army of JYJ chases soulkey out of the center Soulkey does a counterattack with ling muta bane as JYJ moves across the map drop at the 4th of Soulkey
20:00 banelings move intot he 3rd of JYJ and kill a ton of scvs JYJ loses his 3rd base JYJ pushing into the 3rd of Soulkey with his main army banelings come down and catch all the tanks unsieged JYJ's army is decimated by banelings and infestors Soulkey takes a 35 supply lead
...both of them looking really mediocre. Soulkey's reminding me of his state during the summer when he was playing against Taeja on this same map. Yeongjae is really luckluster as expected. Soulkey's late game on this map is just bad -_-
On December 15 2012 15:22 nomyx wrote: What's with terrans floating so much gas?
Fantasy yesterday with xxx/2000+ and now JYJ with 200~/1500
It seems fairly common when the T sits on marine/tank. It's so much more mineral heavy than gas, especially once they finish their upgrades in the later stages of the game.
[SPL] Woongjin Stars vs SKT T1 R1 Game 2: 0-1 Soulkey vs JYJ Map: Antiga Shipyard
0:00 Soulkey spawns in the top right JYJ spawns in the bottom left
2:00 Hatch first for Soulkey CC first for JYJ on the low ground rax for JYJ pool for soulkey gas for JYJ
3:00 gas for Soulkey
4:00 Factory for JYJ ling speed for Soulkey reactor for JYJ
5:00 3rd CC for JYJ inside his main reactored hellion production started for JYJ bunker in the natural for JYJ
6:00 3rd base for Soulkey Marauder production started for JYJ stim research started for JYJ 2nd gas for JYJ 2 more gas for Soulkey
7:00 Lair started for Soulkey 2 more rax for JYJ Starport started for JYJ spine finishes in the natural for Soulkey after he sees the hellion opening double evo chamber started for Soulkey ling runby into the natural of JYJ double ebay for JYJ
8:00 1-1 ling upgrades started for Soulkey 1-1 started for JYJ Spire started for Soulkey as the Lair finishes baneling nest started for soulkey double medivac production started for JYJ
9:00 viking coming out for JYJ for overlord hunting overlord pooping creep denies landing the 3rd of JYJ combat shields started for JYJ marine marauder hellion pushing out with the first 2 medivacs
10:00 the spine falls and the creep is being cleaned up JYJ catches a few banelings morphing and the banelings are cleaned up as they finish mutas started for Soulkey MMH moves into the 3rd of Soulkey lings eventually force a lift
11:00 JYJ drops the main with his remaining units but it's cleaned up by mutas 2-2 started for Soulkey a full medivac is found by mutas; it tries to drop it's marines as it dies and lings help clean it up
12:00 missile turrets are up by JYJ to deny mutas siege tanks are now out for JYJ
13:00 2-2 on the way for JYJ +1 vehicle weapons on the way for JYJ siege mode research on the way +1 air attack on the way for Soulkey 4th base started for Soulkey at the top left main baneling speed finishes for Soulkey burrow research started for Soulkey
14:00 mutas move into the main of JYJ and take out the turrets (15 mutas out now) a few scvs are killed before marines chase the mutas away mutas find a drop of JYJ 3 mutas are killed cleaning up the 8 marines 2 bunkers and 5 tanks out for JYJ to defend his natural and 3rd
15:00 Soulkey going for the 2-2 ling baneling muta bust JYJ's army is killed by the combination of units drop at the 4th of Soulkey
16:00 4th base of Soulkey falls to the drop 24 banelings morphing for Soulkey in the middle of the map JYJ rebuilding bunkers Thor now out to help defend vs mutas
17:00 Soulkey is grouping up in the middle of the map another drop heading out but an overlord sees it so mutas move to intercept full dropship is killed by mutas 5 tanks out again for JYJ Hive finishing up for Soulkey +1 air carapce started for Soulkey +3 attack started for JYJ
18:00 4th CC started for JYJ +2 vehicle weapons and +3 bio armor started for JYJ adrenal glands started for Soulkey Soulkey cancels +1 air carapace to start his spire +3 melee started for Soulkey 4th base rebuilt for Soulkey
19:00 JYJ starts pushing out on the map and looks to take the center quite a few infestors are out for Soulkey now army of JYJ chases soulkey out of the center Soulkey does a counterattack with ling muta bane as JYJ moves across the map drop at the 4th of Soulkey
20:00 banelings move intot he 3rd of JYJ and kill a ton of scvs JYJ loses his 3rd base JYJ pushing into the 3rd of Soulkey with his main army banelings come down and catch all the tanks unsieged JYJ's army is decimated by banelings and infestors Soulkey takes a 35 supply lead
21:00 JYJ lands his extra CC at his 3rd Soulkey morphing more banelings and grouping up his army in the center only 37 workers left for JYJ
22:00 +1 air carapce started for Soulkey Corruptor production started for Soulkey JYJ pushing across the map again with another army 4 brood lords begin morphing for Soulkey
23:00 JYJ is cleaning up more creep as he moves towards Soulkey's base Brood lords are finishing up before he gets there drop at the 4th of Soulkey Brood lords engage the main army of JYJ and force it to move back drones are pulled at the 4th to help defend against the drop spine crawler kiss off the drop
24:00 double drop attempt in the main but it's cleaned up by ling muta infestor JYJ tries to run into the 3rd base but gets caught by fungals and brood lords JYJ's army is crushed easily Soulkey takes a 70 supply lead drop at the 4th of Soulkey
25:00 mutas killing off defenseless medivacs now JYJ down to 80 supply drop at the 4th of Soulkey is cleaned up Soulkey over 100 supply ahead 2 banelings roll into the 3rd and kill more scvs JYJ ggs! Soulkey ties it up 1-1!
On December 15 2012 15:23 glzElectromaster wrote: ...both of them looking really mediocre. Soulkey's reminding me of his state during the summer when he was playing against Taeja on this same map. Yeongjae is really luckluster as expected. Soulkey's late game on this map is just bad -_-
or christ sake why is this sort of comment about every player every game of every tournament? He made ro4 in the gsl for fuck sakes people stop bashing every player every game...
On December 15 2012 15:23 glzElectromaster wrote: ...both of them looking really mediocre. Soulkey's reminding me of his state during the summer when he was playing against Taeja on this same map. Yeongjae is really luckluster as expected. Soulkey's late game on this map is just bad -_-
or christ sake why is this sort of comment about every player every game of every tournament? He made ro4 in the gsl for fuck sakes people stop bashing every player every game...
On December 15 2012 15:23 glzElectromaster wrote: ...both of them looking really mediocre. Soulkey's reminding me of his state during the summer when he was playing against Taeja on this same map. Yeongjae is really luckluster as expected. Soulkey's late game on this map is just bad -_-
The only big mistake by Soulkey was a weak creepspread and OL spread to spot that drop in time to stop it. If he protects his 4th then it wouldnt have looked quite as close.
On December 15 2012 15:23 glzElectromaster wrote: ...both of them looking really mediocre. Soulkey's reminding me of his state during the summer when he was playing against Taeja on this same map. Yeongjae is really luckluster as expected. Soulkey's late game on this map is just bad -_-
or christ sake why is this sort of comment about every player every game of every tournament? He made ro4 in the gsl for fuck sakes people stop bashing every player every game...
Doesn't change the fact that the game looked like something out of 2010. The creep spread alone was just horrific from Soulkey compared to what you expect from current pros =/
On December 15 2012 15:23 glzElectromaster wrote: ...both of them looking really mediocre. Soulkey's reminding me of his state during the summer when he was playing against Taeja on this same map. Yeongjae is really luckluster as expected. Soulkey's late game on this map is just bad -_-
or christ sake why is this sort of comment about every player every game of every tournament? He made ro4 in the gsl for fuck sakes people stop bashing every player every game...
Soulkey made Ro8 (lost to Bogus).
You are correct, though hardly changes what I said.
On December 15 2012 15:23 glzElectromaster wrote: ...both of them looking really mediocre. Soulkey's reminding me of his state during the summer when he was playing against Taeja on this same map. Yeongjae is really luckluster as expected. Soulkey's late game on this map is just bad -_-
or christ sake why is this sort of comment about every player every game of every tournament? He made ro4 in the gsl for fuck sakes people stop bashing every player every game...
He made Ro4? I think you mean Ro8. I mean he's pretty darn good, but his ZvT was not very inspiring. You can't say Soulkey played brilliantly this game. How many infestors did he donate? The casters really commend him but it wasn't as great as they make it out to be. You could tell he was slightly lost during the early-late game. a lot of it had to with JYJ being even more lost than him.
On December 15 2012 15:23 glzElectromaster wrote: ...both of them looking really mediocre. Soulkey's reminding me of his state during the summer when he was playing against Taeja on this same map. Yeongjae is really luckluster as expected. Soulkey's late game on this map is just bad -_-
or christ sake why is this sort of comment about every player every game of every tournament? He made ro4 in the gsl for fuck sakes people stop bashing every player every game...
Doesn't change the fact that the game looked like something out of 2010. The creep spread alone was just horrific from Soulkey compared to what you expect from current pros =/
He lost his creep spreading queens with the first push and a lot of tumors. Doesn't excuse his poor creep spread but playing muta ling bling it's hard to remember to remake those queens and spreading creep again once your rhythm gets disrupted. Still should work on it though
On December 15 2012 15:23 glzElectromaster wrote: ...both of them looking really mediocre. Soulkey's reminding me of his state during the summer when he was playing against Taeja on this same map. Yeongjae is really luckluster as expected. Soulkey's late game on this map is just bad -_-
or christ sake why is this sort of comment about every player every game of every tournament? He made ro4 in the gsl for fuck sakes people stop bashing every player every game...
Doesn't change the fact that the game looked like something out of 2010. The creep spread alone was just horrific from Soulkey compared to what you expect from current pros =/
To be fair to Soulkey, that first marine push killed his Queen's that were spreading creep.
On December 15 2012 15:23 glzElectromaster wrote: ...both of them looking really mediocre. Soulkey's reminding me of his state during the summer when he was playing against Taeja on this same map. Yeongjae is really luckluster as expected. Soulkey's late game on this map is just bad -_-
or christ sake why is this sort of comment about every player every game of every tournament? He made ro4 in the gsl for fuck sakes people stop bashing every player every game...
Doesn't change the fact that the game looked like something out of 2010. The creep spread alone was just horrific from Soulkey compared to what you expect from current pros =/
On December 15 2012 15:23 glzElectromaster wrote: ...both of them looking really mediocre. Soulkey's reminding me of his state during the summer when he was playing against Taeja on this same map. Yeongjae is really luckluster as expected. Soulkey's late game on this map is just bad -_-
or christ sake why is this sort of comment about every player every game of every tournament? He made ro4 in the gsl for fuck sakes people stop bashing every player every game...
Doesn't change the fact that the game looked like something out of 2010. The creep spread alone was just horrific from Soulkey compared to what you expect from current pros =/
Considering he lost early queens and went muta the creep spread wasn't THAT bad. Besides if you go around judging a zerg's skill level based on creep spread you need to look a little deeper. Soulkey's a beast.
On December 15 2012 15:23 glzElectromaster wrote: ...both of them looking really mediocre. Soulkey's reminding me of his state during the summer when he was playing against Taeja on this same map. Yeongjae is really luckluster as expected. Soulkey's late game on this map is just bad -_-
or christ sake why is this sort of comment about every player every game of every tournament? He made ro4 in the gsl for fuck sakes people stop bashing every player every game...
He made Ro4? I think you mean Ro8. I mean he's pretty darn good, but his ZvT was not very inspiring. You can't say Soulkey played brilliantly this game. How many infestors did he donate? The casters really commend him but it wasn't as great as they make it out to be. You could tell he was slightly lost during the early-late game. a lot of it had to with JYJ being even more lost than him.
I already corrected the ro8 comment. You can point out mistakes by EVERY player EVERY game. Small supply blocks, some miss scouting here, failed target firing mutas when drops are caught, etc. Every game, every player, something. I read your sort of comment about one or both players every game in the lr threads. It is sad. Fine, every player is bad in every game win or loss.
On December 15 2012 15:25 andaylin wrote: he never got his gasses at the third?
JyJ? No need for those gasses if he is going marine tank
oh i tuned in late, no medivacs?
wait what, that doesn't make sense. i don't see any situation where you wouldn't get your 5th and 6th gas
Of course with 'vacs but he was already floating a lot of gas most of the game despite losing a lot of medivacs to mutas. Not sure why he had so much gas
On December 15 2012 15:25 andaylin wrote: he never got his gasses at the third?
JyJ? No need for those gasses if he is going marine tank
oh i tuned in late, no medivacs?
wait what, that doesn't make sense. i don't see any situation where you wouldn't get your 5th and 6th gas
Of course with 'vacs but he was already floating a lot of gas most of the game despite losing a lot of medivacs to mutas. Not sure why he had so much gas
On December 15 2012 15:23 glzElectromaster wrote: ...both of them looking really mediocre. Soulkey's reminding me of his state during the summer when he was playing against Taeja on this same map. Yeongjae is really luckluster as expected. Soulkey's late game on this map is just bad -_-
or christ sake why is this sort of comment about every player every game of every tournament? He made ro4 in the gsl for fuck sakes people stop bashing every player every game...
He made Ro4? I think you mean Ro8. I mean he's pretty darn good, but his ZvT was not very inspiring. You can't say Soulkey played brilliantly this game. How many infestors did he donate? The casters really commend him but it wasn't as great as they make it out to be. You could tell he was slightly lost during the early-late game. a lot of it had to with JYJ being even more lost than him.
I already corrected the ro8 comment. You can point out mistakes by EVERY player EVERY game. Small supply blocks, some miss scouting here, failed target firing mutas when drops are caught, etc. Every game, every player, something. I read your sort of comment about one or both players every game in the lr threads. It is sad. Fine, every player is bad in every game win or loss.
You are really dramatic -_- I commend players when I see great plays. I just didn't see much from this game. If I had to commend something from that game, JYJ's control at times were pretty darn good, especially with drops as he instantly target fired banelings.
On December 15 2012 15:25 andaylin wrote: he never got his gasses at the third?
JyJ? No need for those gasses if he is going marine tank
oh i tuned in late, no medivacs?
wait what, that doesn't make sense. i don't see any situation where you wouldn't get your 5th and 6th gas
Of course with 'vacs but he was already floating a lot of gas most of the game despite losing a lot of medivacs to mutas. Not sure why he had so much gas
that's weird lol.
maybe hes so bad the game is donating him free gas?
On December 15 2012 15:25 andaylin wrote: he never got his gasses at the third?
JyJ? No need for those gasses if he is going marine tank
oh i tuned in late, no medivacs?
wait what, that doesn't make sense. i don't see any situation where you wouldn't get your 5th and 6th gas
Of course with 'vacs but he was already floating a lot of gas most of the game despite losing a lot of medivacs to mutas. Not sure why he had so much gas
On December 15 2012 15:25 andaylin wrote: he never got his gasses at the third?
JyJ? No need for those gasses if he is going marine tank
oh i tuned in late, no medivacs?
wait what, that doesn't make sense. i don't see any situation where you wouldn't get your 5th and 6th gas
Of course with 'vacs but he was already floating a lot of gas most of the game despite losing a lot of medivacs to mutas. Not sure why he had so much gas
I think he didn't have enough factories.
That's what I was thinking too. He didn't have too many tanks out did he?
It's just me or the SC2 fans in Korea don't chant "fighting" in the player's screen? (I say this because I only heard two girls did that for SKT but there are many audience on the SKT-side seats)
On December 15 2012 15:23 glzElectromaster wrote: ...both of them looking really mediocre. Soulkey's reminding me of his state during the summer when he was playing against Taeja on this same map. Yeongjae is really luckluster as expected. Soulkey's late game on this map is just bad -_-
or christ sake why is this sort of comment about every player every game of every tournament? He made ro4 in the gsl for fuck sakes people stop bashing every player every game...
He made Ro4? I think you mean Ro8. I mean he's pretty darn good, but his ZvT was not very inspiring. You can't say Soulkey played brilliantly this game. How many infestors did he donate? The casters really commend him but it wasn't as great as they make it out to be. You could tell he was slightly lost during the early-late game. a lot of it had to with JYJ being even more lost than him.
I already corrected the ro8 comment. You can point out mistakes by EVERY player EVERY game. Small supply blocks, some miss scouting here, failed target firing mutas when drops are caught, etc. Every game, every player, something. I read your sort of comment about one or both players every game in the lr threads. It is sad. Fine, every player is bad in every game win or loss.
You are really dramatic -_- I commend players when I see great plays. I just didn't see much from this game. If I had to commend something from that game, JYJ's control at times were pretty darn good, especially with drops as he instantly target fired banelings.
This was just me finally snapping at reading comments calling so many players bad, even when they end up winning the game. I'm just using this comment to make a point that IMO the viewers are far too critical on the play of the players, that there will always be mistakes by players in every game, and a lot of the big mistakes are often due to their opponent tasking the multitasking, or other forced errors.
On December 15 2012 15:40 larse wrote: It's just me or the SC2 fans in Korea don't chant "fighting" in the player's screen? (I say this because I only heard two girls did that for SKT but there are many audience on the SKT-side seats)
Not enough people atm i think. I know they did when EG-TL played their first match.
On December 15 2012 15:40 larse wrote: It's just me or the SC2 fans in Korea don't chant "fighting" in the player's screen? (I say this because I only heard two girls did that for SKT but there are many audience on the SKT-side seats)
Not enough people atm i think. I know they did when EG-TL played their first match.
Cuz Gomtv fans don't do this. There are many audience atm actually.
They did that for EG-TL cuz of Jaedong fan girls. They are still BW fans. I think SC2 fans really don't do this.
On December 15 2012 15:40 larse wrote: It's just me or the SC2 fans in Korea don't chant "fighting" in the player's screen? (I say this because I only heard two girls did that for SKT but there are many audience on the SKT-side seats)
Not enough people atm i think. I know they did when EG-TL played their first match.
No idea why he chose this build... if he wanted 7 gate and upgrade timing should have done blink 7gate +2... this is much less potent of a build.. still lookin good though! Maybe he chose it for some reason ^_^!
FU Flying, you could have killed him several times, but you just danced in between bases for 5 minutes. Now you just bring suffering and pain to my FPL..
On December 15 2012 15:51 Ammanas wrote: FU Flying, you could have killed him several times, but you just danced in between bases for 5 minutes. Now you just bring suffering and pain to my FPL..
That was actually pathetic. Soo did great but flying should have won.
this game is so beautiful. Loved that game so much, so mouuch fun to watch. So much talent. So much potential. You're gonna go far kid. Don't listen to Jimmy, he is so full of it. If you believe, you can go twice as far as your predecessor. You can win the trophy of hoondullum. GO forth
On December 15 2012 16:08 .kv wrote: as a protoss player i hated seeing that
but I have zero on my fpl so YAY
Yeah, but honestly, there's no reason he should have lost to that. He knew something strange was coming his way. At least we get to see Fantasy in a TvT!
edit: this happened in another league too, keen vs gumiho. i wonder what it is about these maps that inspires this strategy. actually i dont really care, this is awesome.
On December 15 2012 16:33 SheaR619 wrote: These new proleague map seems to be so big to encourage alot of passivity? This is the first proleague i watch so iono but is this common so far?
It's less of the maps and more of the KESPA players themselves. Most of them seem to love to play passively
Haha we're all in this together, I feel the same way. Did you pick Sang over Wooki like me and regret it immensely or did you have better foresight than that?
It's so friggin hard to see if you're ahead or behind after an opening like that. I really thought Fantasy was in a better position, but the army transition kinda sucks if you wait with the attack until opponent has siege tanks. Nice usage of hellions by Bravo, very smart!
On December 15 2012 16:38 DJHelium wrote: It's so friggin hard to see if you're ahead or behind after an opening like that. I really thought Fantasy was in a better position, but the army transition kinda sucks if you wait with the attack until opponent has siege tanks. Nice usage of hellions by Bravo, very smart!
On December 15 2012 16:38 DJHelium wrote: It's so friggin hard to see if you're ahead or behind after an opening like that. I really thought Fantasy was in a better position, but the army transition kinda sucks if you wait with the attack until opponent has siege tanks. Nice usage of hellions by Bravo, very smart!
I think he was ahead until he lost his reapers.
He lost the moment he decided to expand to the natural (which on Caldeum is like super open) instead of the main imo. And he didn't even use the econ advantage of mining/muling like a whole minute earlier that well.
On December 15 2012 16:38 DJHelium wrote: It's so friggin hard to see if you're ahead or behind after an opening like that. I really thought Fantasy was in a better position, but the army transition kinda sucks if you wait with the attack until opponent has siege tanks. Nice usage of hellions by Bravo, very smart!
I think he was ahead until he lost his reapers.
He lost the moment he decided to expand to the natural (which on Caldeum is like super open) instead of the main imo. And he didn't even use the econ advantage of mining/muling like a whole minute earlier that well.
Without his reapers, it was hard for him to cover the open natural.
Random question: Does anyone know if Kespa has released their intentions on when they'll switch to HotS? Might be a little awkward to change mid-season in proleague but people aren't going to be wanting to watch WoL a year from now.
On December 15 2012 16:38 DJHelium wrote: It's so friggin hard to see if you're ahead or behind after an opening like that. I really thought Fantasy was in a better position, but the army transition kinda sucks if you wait with the attack until opponent has siege tanks. Nice usage of hellions by Bravo, very smart!
+ 1. Fantasy saved maybe 30 seconds by taking the closer base, but it definitely cost him as it was a much more harassable base, Bravo did well in assaulting this point, and defending his more well placed base as well.
In games like that with imperfect information it's hard to blame someone for playing passively even if their army is better. Both players played amazingly. need more games like this, although i can't see this happening in z v z or p v p, haha.
I told you guys, SKT is just doing this so every match they have goes to ace match and we can all rejoice 3x harder and get the BW fans to transfer. Boxer the mastermind, or perhaps... they'll... lose T_T;; fantasyyy whyyyyyy
edit: p.s he shoulda just ran past the bunker with marauders... ;;..
On December 15 2012 16:44 Tachion wrote: Random question: Does anyone know if Kespa has released their intentions on when they'll switch to HotS? Might be a little awkward to change mid-season in proleague but people aren't going to be wanting to watch WoL a year from now.
pretty sure they said they're switching as soon as its out.
On December 15 2012 16:44 Tachion wrote: Random question: Does anyone know if Kespa has released their intentions on when they'll switch to HotS? Might be a little awkward to change mid-season in proleague but people aren't going to be wanting to watch WoL a year from now.
I would bet that the first 2-3 months of HotS won't be balanced enough to bear watching for e-sports, and that, assuming HotS comes out in march, KeSPA won't switch until at least early June, meaning it's far enough away we have no cause to worry about it!
On December 15 2012 16:44 Tachion wrote: Random question: Does anyone know if Kespa has released their intentions on when they'll switch to HotS? Might be a little awkward to change mid-season in proleague but people aren't going to be wanting to watch WoL a year from now.
Nobody knows. KeSPA being KeSPA no one can predict.
On December 15 2012 16:44 Tachion wrote: Random question: Does anyone know if Kespa has released their intentions on when they'll switch to HotS? Might be a little awkward to change mid-season in proleague but people aren't going to be wanting to watch WoL a year from now.
They said they will switch and change schedule of Proleague once HoTS is out.
Well they sold me on the $5 subscription. Didn't even know about that. $5 is criminally cheap for an entire season's worth of HDstreams/Vods and entertainment.
I can't see any major event not switching to HOTS as soon as possible, blizzard will be talking to everyone atm and has given a lot of time to prepare for the switch.
On December 15 2012 16:44 Tachion wrote: Random question: Does anyone know if Kespa has released their intentions on when they'll switch to HotS? Might be a little awkward to change mid-season in proleague but people aren't going to be wanting to watch WoL a year from now.
Round 4 onwards it will be HoTS.
KeSPA rules have been the same for years, play the latest version of the game.
On December 15 2012 16:48 lannisport wrote: Well they sold me on the $5 subscription. Didn't even know about that. $5 is criminally cheap for an entire season's worth of HDstreams/Vods and entertainment.
The lighting on this version of Cloud Kingdom is pretty interesting. It's a lot clearer than what I've seen on other versions. It really helps readability since the lighting isn't as dark and the particle effects aren't as prominent.
On December 15 2012 16:44 Tachion wrote: Random question: Does anyone know if Kespa has released their intentions on when they'll switch to HotS? Might be a little awkward to change mid-season in proleague but people aren't going to be wanting to watch WoL a year from now.
They said they will switch as soon as it comes out. I don't know if that means starting next round or the very next day... but I can only see it realistically working as the next round similar to how GSL HotS will start in 2013 Season 2.
wow the tt1 build, but he did it the risky way. need 3 sentrys before exping or u die vs 10g pressure. also its hard to defend blink obs on this map tt. its possible but u need to micro perfectly
On December 15 2012 16:44 Tachion wrote: Random question: Does anyone know if Kespa has released their intentions on when they'll switch to HotS? Might be a little awkward to change mid-season in proleague but people aren't going to be wanting to watch WoL a year from now.
They said they will switch as soon as it comes out. I don't know if that means starting next round or the very next day... but I can only see it realistically working as the next round similar to how GSL HotS will start in 2013 Season 2.
They already know the date so all they need to do is end the round before its out.
On December 15 2012 16:50 eviltomahawk wrote: The lighting on this version of Cloud Kingdom is pretty interesting. It's a lot clearer than what I've seen on other versions. It really helps readability since the lighting isn't as dark and the particle effects aren't as prominent.
Yep, the lighting is different. Makes for more contrast. I like it.
Now they just need to fix the lighting on Caldeum and possibly Arkanoid.
On December 15 2012 16:58 Lakai wrote: This seems so low level. =.=
How much sc2 experience does free have?
Considering that Rain beat every good protoss in a series and Free is hanging in there is really impressive. It's better to try and break the contain early or you will get economicaly behind .
On December 15 2012 16:58 Lakai wrote: This seems so low level. =.=
How much sc2 experience does free have?
not really, theyre b.os were fine.. they just made a few decision making errors. free's mistakes were understable because had he teched to collosus when he was contained he probably would have loss the game. his best option was to bust down the ramp(probably with a warpprism) and pray that rain wasnt paying attention. if he had a proxy pylon then it would have been a different story
On December 15 2012 17:01 Sea_Food wrote: Both of them playing extreamly bad. I honestly cant believe this whole game. Seen better play by diamond leaguers.
rofl @ a bronzie acting like he knows better than fukin pros..
On December 15 2012 17:01 Sea_Food wrote: Both of them playing extreamly bad. I honestly cant believe this whole game. Seen better play by diamond leaguers.
Is it a coinsidence you didn't provide any reason or thought as to what they're doing wrong?
On December 15 2012 16:58 Lakai wrote: This seems so low level. =.=
How much sc2 experience does free have?
Considering that Rain beat every good protoss in a series and Free is hanging in there is really impressive. It's better to try and break the contain early or you will get economicaly behind .
Yaaaaaaaaaaah! Dat ace match~ weird he sent 2 colo to zealots... he was too far behind anyway though... Great harassment by rain, utilized his mobility edge all throughout the game.
On December 15 2012 16:58 Lakai wrote: This seems so low level. =.=
How much sc2 experience does free have?
Considering that Rain beat every good protoss in a series and Free is hanging in there is really impressive. It's better to try and break the contain early or you will get economicaly behind .
On December 15 2012 16:58 Lakai wrote: This seems so low level. =.=
How much sc2 experience does free have?
Considering that Rain beat every good protoss in a series and Free is hanging in there is really impressive. It's better to try and break the contain early or you will get economicaly behind .
On December 15 2012 16:58 Lakai wrote: This seems so low level. =.=
How much sc2 experience does free have?
Considering that Rain beat every good protoss in a series and Free is hanging in there is really impressive. It's better to try and break the contain early or you will get economicaly behind .
lost twice to creator ;D
lost to a 4gate b/c of a slightly missed ff
I don't count that series
Rain is just unbeatable in PvP series
kinda stupid if you don't count series "because it was a 4gate" lol
On December 15 2012 16:58 Lakai wrote: This seems so low level. =.=
How much sc2 experience does free have?
Considering that Rain beat every good protoss in a series and Free is hanging in there is really impressive. It's better to try and break the contain early or you will get economicaly behind .
On December 15 2012 16:58 Lakai wrote: This seems so low level. =.=
How much sc2 experience does free have?
Considering that Rain beat every good protoss in a series and Free is hanging in there is really impressive. It's better to try and break the contain early or you will get economicaly behind .
All those retarded posts "oh what a crappy game" are because of extremely tight competition, you know if barcelona meets real madrid and doesn't score 6 goals as usual you don't call it a bad game.
On December 15 2012 17:09 Caihead wrote: ZvZ lol.......
Anything else would likely put one team at a huge disadvantage. It could be a volatile game, but not as much as a PvP would have been. Sending a T or P would be too risky.
honestly there's no player on SKT that I hate more than soo and I just KNOW that he is going to lose this in a retarded way and is going to make me hate him even MORE why why why send out soo
On December 15 2012 17:01 Sea_Food wrote: Both of them playing extreamly bad. I honestly cant believe this whole game. Seen better play by diamond leaguers.
Is it a coinsidence you didn't provide any reason or thought as to what they're doing wrong?
Free constantly kept trying to walk down ramp against an enemy with sentries. This means that rain could have killed like 4 units for free every time. Too bad rain also played bad so he missed many of the force fields, and when he did land the proper forcefields, he controlled hes army so bad that he managed to lose own units every time when he had a 4to1 advantage. Then rain aswell use blink cooldown to blink up ramp when he knew that free had been producing non stop immortals for past 4 minutes. Then free had 2robos but decided to not build constant colossus from it. Free built a warp prism just so he could do that 1 zealot haras, luckily rain was so bad that he lost 2 probes, tons of mining time, and a stalker against this 1 zealot. Also in the last engagent pulled 2 colossus and many of own zealots against that small zealot warp in and thus lost the battle. Rain had terrible blink micro during the whole game. Not one of the 20 engagement went propelly for him.
PvP is one of the "easiest" match up in a sense that if enemy makes a big mistake like both of the players kept doing in that game, you should use that advantage to play methodically and not make a single mistake and after a few minutes you have won the game.
I tought it was obvious so i didnt bother to post the reasons originally.
On December 15 2012 17:13 Shellshock1122 wrote: I'm really regretting not picking up soO when I had him on my team originally they always say second guessing yourself is dumb
Think of it this way: you considered picking a ton of players, and some were good, and some were bad. Think of all of the bad guys you were considering. And it's only week 2
Happen to get lucky and wake up just in time for the Ace match!!...... Ends up being a ZvZ on TDA... Oh well, It'll hold me out until GSL. Oh shit I just realized there is no GSL tonight......... Damn now I have 4 hours to fill in.
Also, take into account that SKT knew that Soulkey is going to come out. Whereas Woongjin could only really guess as to who will come out of Rain, Soo and Fantasy.
On December 15 2012 17:01 Sea_Food wrote: Both of them playing extreamly bad. I honestly cant believe this whole game. Seen better play by diamond leaguers.
Is it a coinsidence you didn't provide any reason or thought as to what they're doing wrong?
Free constantly kept trying to walk down ramp against an enemy with sentries. This means that rain could have killed like 4 units for free every time. Too bad rain also played bad so he missed many of the force fields, and when he did land the proper forcefields, he controlled hes army so bad that he managed to lose own units every time when he had a 4to1 advantage. Then rain aswell use blink cooldown to blink up ramp when he knew that free had been producing non stop immortals for past 4 minutes. Then free had 2robos but decided to not build constant colossus from it. Free built a warp prism just so he could do that 1 zealot haras, luckily rain was so bad that he lost 2 probes, tons of mining time, and a stalker against this 1 zealot. Also in the last engagent pulled 2 colossus and many of own zealots against that small zealot warp in and thus lost the battle. Rain had terrible blink micro during the whole game. Not one of the 20 engagement went propelly for him.
PvP is one of the "easiest" match up in a sense that if enemy makes a big mistake like both of the players kept doing in that game, you should use that advantage to play methodically and not make a single mistake and after a few minutes you have won the game.
I tought it was obvious so i didnt bother to post the reasons originally.
On December 15 2012 17:13 Shellshock1122 wrote: I'm really regretting not picking up soO when I had him on my team originally they always say second guessing yourself is dumb
Think of it this way: you considered picking a ton of players, and some were good, and some were bad. Think of all of the bad guys you were considering. And it's only week 2
haha for a few crazy seconds I had like: IdrA HerO JYP Sea EG-TL as my team. good idea i switched lolol, though i'm doing pretty bad anyway
On December 15 2012 17:13 Shellshock1122 wrote: I'm really regretting not picking up soO when I had him on my team originally they always say second guessing yourself is dumb
Think of it this way: you considered picking a ton of players, and some were good, and some were bad. Think of all of the bad guys you were considering. And it's only week 2
haha for a few crazy seconds I had like: IdrA HerO JYP Sea EG-TL as my team. good idea i switched lolol, though i'm doing pretty bad anyway
Exactly. I'm kicking myself for not picking BaBy, but then I consider that I was going to pick JangBi.
On December 15 2012 17:13 Shellshock1122 wrote: I'm really regretting not picking up soO when I had him on my team originally they always say second guessing yourself is dumb
On December 15 2012 17:14 Talin wrote: Also, take into account that SKT knew that Soulkey is going to come out. Whereas Woongjin could only really guess as to who will come out of Rain, Soo and Fantasy.
wtf u talking about bro? neither team knew who was gonna be sent out..
On December 15 2012 17:14 Talin wrote: Also, take into account that SKT knew that Soulkey is going to come out. Whereas Woongjin could only really guess as to who will come out of Rain, Soo and Fantasy.
wtf u talking about bro? neither team knew who was gonna be sent out..
He probably meant that SK is the only ace match choice that made sense, which is why they "knew".
On December 15 2012 17:01 Sea_Food wrote: Both of them playing extreamly bad. I honestly cant believe this whole game. Seen better play by diamond leaguers.
Is it a coinsidence you didn't provide any reason or thought as to what they're doing wrong?
Free constantly kept trying to walk down ramp against an enemy with sentries. This means that rain could have killed like 4 units for free every time. Too bad rain also played bad so he missed many of the force fields, and when he did land the proper forcefields, he controlled hes army so bad that he managed to lose own units every time when he had a 4to1 advantage. Then rain aswell use blink cooldown to blink up ramp when he knew that free had been producing non stop immortals for past 4 minutes. Then free had 2robos but decided to not build constant colossus from it. Free built a warp prism just so he could do that 1 zealot haras, luckily rain was so bad that he lost 2 probes, tons of mining time, and a stalker against this 1 zealot. Also in the last engagent pulled 2 colossus and many of own zealots against that small zealot warp in and thus lost the battle. Rain had terrible blink micro during the whole game. Not one of the 20 engagement went propelly for him.
PvP is one of the "easiest" match up in a sense that if enemy makes a big mistake like both of the players kept doing in that game, you should use that advantage to play methodically and not make a single mistake and after a few minutes you have won the game.
I tought it was obvious so i didnt bother to post the reasons originally.
On December 15 2012 17:14 Talin wrote: Also, take into account that SKT knew that Soulkey is going to come out. Whereas Woongjin could only really guess as to who will come out of Rain, Soo and Fantasy.
wtf u talking about bro? neither team knew who was gonna be sent out..
Sigh. Fine, they could make a very accurate educated guess that it will be Soulkey because Stars' coach isn't called January and who else would it be?
Woongjin could maybe write-off Fantasy due to his recent form, but they had no way of knowing whether Soulkey would play ZvP or ZvZ => no way to prepare anything specific.
On December 15 2012 17:14 Talin wrote: Also, take into account that SKT knew that Soulkey is going to come out. Whereas Woongjin could only really guess as to who will come out of Rain, Soo and Fantasy.
wtf u talking about bro? neither team knew who was gonna be sent out..
They can guess who's going to be sent out on which maps and it's the ace match. Unless your name is January (nah, I kid several teams mix it up), its not so hard predicting which player would be sent out for the Ace match, so what the guy said is fair.
On December 15 2012 17:14 Talin wrote: Also, take into account that SKT knew that Soulkey is going to come out. Whereas Woongjin could only really guess as to who will come out of Rain, Soo and Fantasy.
wtf u talking about bro? neither team knew who was gonna be sent out..
He probably meant that SK is the only ace match choice that made sense, which is why they "knew".
Yeah they knew it couldn't be sHy because you cant blink observer all in very well on TDA
On December 15 2012 17:01 Sea_Food wrote: Both of them playing extreamly bad. I honestly cant believe this whole game. Seen better play by diamond leaguers.
Is it a coinsidence you didn't provide any reason or thought as to what they're doing wrong?
Free constantly kept trying to walk down ramp against an enemy with sentries. This means that rain could have killed like 4 units for free every time. Too bad rain also played bad so he missed many of the force fields, and when he did land the proper forcefields, he controlled hes army so bad that he managed to lose own units every time when he had a 4to1 advantage. Then rain aswell use blink cooldown to blink up ramp when he knew that free had been producing non stop immortals for past 4 minutes. Then free had 2robos but decided to not build constant colossus from it. Free built a warp prism just so he could do that 1 zealot haras, luckily rain was so bad that he lost 2 probes, tons of mining time, and a stalker against this 1 zealot. Also in the last engagent pulled 2 colossus and many of own zealots against that small zealot warp in and thus lost the battle. Rain had terrible blink micro during the whole game. Not one of the 20 engagement went propelly for him.
PvP is one of the "easiest" match up in a sense that if enemy makes a big mistake like both of the players kept doing in that game, you should use that advantage to play methodically and not make a single mistake and after a few minutes you have won the game.
I tought it was obvious so i didnt bother to post the reasons originally.
Can't please you.
That game should have not pleased anyone.
You are minority in this thread. So don't assume your stuff on everyone.
On December 15 2012 17:14 Talin wrote: Also, take into account that SKT knew that Soulkey is going to come out. Whereas Woongjin could only really guess as to who will come out of Rain, Soo and Fantasy.
wtf u talking about bro? neither team knew who was gonna be sent out..
He probably meant that SK is the only ace match choice that made sense, which is why they "knew".
Yeah they knew it couldn't be sHy because you cant blink observer all in very well on TDA
soo is such a piece of crap player that i just fricken hate so damn much i don't understand why send soo out at an ace match when he ALWAYS FAILS FOR SKT God it makes me so damn mad to see SKT lose because of soo being a garbage dumbass player SERIOUSLY
On December 15 2012 17:37 Soft`Soap wrote: soo is such a piece of crap player that i just fricken hate so damn much i don't understand why send soo out at an ace match when he ALWAYS FAILS FOR SKT God it makes me so damn mad to see SKT lose because of soo being a garbage dumbass player SERIOUSLY
On December 15 2012 17:37 Soft`Soap wrote: soo is such a piece of crap player that i just fricken hate so damn much i don't understand why send soo out at an ace match when he ALWAYS FAILS FOR SKT God it makes me so damn mad to see SKT lose because of soo being a garbage dumbass player SERIOUSLY
On December 15 2012 17:37 Soft`Soap wrote: soo is such a piece of crap player that i just fricken hate so damn much i don't understand why send soo out at an ace match when he ALWAYS FAILS FOR SKT God it makes me so damn mad to see SKT lose because of soo being a garbage dumbass player SERIOUSLY
On December 15 2012 17:37 Soft`Soap wrote: soo is such a piece of crap player that i just fricken hate so damn much i don't understand why send soo out at an ace match when he ALWAYS FAILS FOR SKT God it makes me so damn mad to see SKT lose because of soo being a garbage dumbass player SERIOUSLY
being a fan means you should be supportive of the players, no?
On December 15 2012 17:37 Soft`Soap wrote: soo is such a piece of crap player that i just fricken hate so damn much i don't understand why send soo out at an ace match when he ALWAYS FAILS FOR SKT God it makes me so damn mad to see SKT lose because of soo being a garbage dumbass player SERIOUSLY
On December 15 2012 17:37 Soft`Soap wrote: soo is such a piece of crap player that i just fricken hate so damn much i don't understand why send soo out at an ace match when he ALWAYS FAILS FOR SKT God it makes me so damn mad to see SKT lose because of soo being a garbage dumbass player SERIOUSLY
Chill out, he won a game and he played well in the ace, and won last week as well.
That's more than can be said for some other players on the team that are expected to win...
On December 15 2012 17:37 Soft`Soap wrote: soo is such a piece of crap player that i just fricken hate so damn much i don't understand why send soo out at an ace match when he ALWAYS FAILS FOR SKT God it makes me so damn mad to see SKT lose because of soo being a garbage dumbass player SERIOUSLY
$5 for 7 months of proleague, totally worth it. If they asked for even 10 or 15 for that much of a duration I would have paid for it. Overall a good casting combo. I actually hope we get to see other English speaking casters rotate with it, but I'm fine with TB+Bitter.
Disappointed that soo lost that, wanted SKT to win tonight Also why they chose to put Tal'Darim in the map pool puzzles me. That's such an old map.
On December 15 2012 17:29 Severedevil wrote: Pretty sure the roaches cost a lot more than replacing the hatchery.
production and mining need to be factored in
On a saturated base, you lose upwards of 1000/300 replacing a hatchery, not even counting the cost of the hatchery, but Soo only had a handful of drones mining at that hatchery.
Production matters, though. I mistakenly thought he had a macro hatch.
On December 15 2012 17:37 Soft`Soap wrote: soo is such a piece of crap player that i just fricken hate so damn much i don't understand why send soo out at an ace match when he ALWAYS FAILS FOR SKT God it makes me so damn mad to see SKT lose because of soo being a garbage dumbass player SERIOUSLY
On December 15 2012 17:40 yoshi245 wrote: $5 for 7 months of proleague, totally worth it. If they asked for even 10 or 15 for that much of a duration I would have paid for it. Overall a good casting combo. I actually hope we get to see other English speaking casters rotate with it, but I'm fine with TB+Bitter.
Disappointed that soo lost that, wanted SKT to win tonight Also why they chose to put Tal'Darim in the map pool puzzles me. That's such an old map.
On December 15 2012 17:40 yoshi245 wrote: $5 for 7 months of proleague, totally worth it. If they asked for even 10 or 15 for that much of a duration I would have paid for it. Overall a good casting combo. I actually hope we get to see other English speaking casters rotate with it, but I'm fine with TB+Bitter.
Disappointed that soo lost that, wanted SKT to win tonight Also why they chose to put Tal'Darim in the map pool puzzles me. That's such an old map.
Tomorrow is TLO/Adebisi
tomorrow is the same. weekday matches are TLO/adebisi
On December 15 2012 17:40 yoshi245 wrote: Disappointed that soo lost that, wanted SKT to win tonight Also why they chose to put Tal'Darim in the map pool puzzles me. That's such an old map.
Proleague likes to have a versatile map pool, and TDA adds to that. Plus most of these players haven't actually played on TDA before, so it's as good as a new map to them.
Actually aside from any bias it may cause (wait, they already got TLO). I wanna hear Incontrol try to cast a few matches. Maybe in the future. Time will tell though.
Out of the 3 most obvious choices who SKT should have sent for that ace match though, I figure Soo was the most logical. PvZ on TDA is ugh, and Fantasy has been looking shaky since his Code A matches last night (although a TvZ on it would be a fun throwback I guess).
On December 15 2012 17:40 yoshi245 wrote: Disappointed that soo lost that, wanted SKT to win tonight Also why they chose to put Tal'Darim in the map pool puzzles me. That's such an old map.
Proleague likes to have a versatile map pool, and TDA adds to that. Plus most of these players haven't actually played on TDA before, so it's as good as a new map to them.
On December 15 2012 17:40 yoshi245 wrote: Disappointed that soo lost that, wanted SKT to win tonight Also why they chose to put Tal'Darim in the map pool puzzles me. That's such an old map.
Proleague likes to have a versatile map pool, and TDA adds to that. Plus most of these players haven't actually played on TDA before, so it's as good as a new map to them.
Beside, TDA might be old, but it is not that bad. You can also tailor your map pool with other maps toward the style that is opposite to TDA too to make games not boring with one style of map.
On December 15 2012 17:40 yoshi245 wrote: Disappointed that soo lost that, wanted SKT to win tonight Also why they chose to put Tal'Darim in the map pool puzzles me. That's such an old map.
Proleague likes to have a versatile map pool, and TDA adds to that. Plus most of these players haven't actually played on TDA before, so it's as good as a new map to them.
is it still a ladder map?
Hmm, I've no idea. I wouldn't expect it to be after this long, but I haven't logged in in a LONG time hehe
On December 15 2012 17:40 yoshi245 wrote: Disappointed that soo lost that, wanted SKT to win tonight Also why they chose to put Tal'Darim in the map pool puzzles me. That's such an old map.
Proleague likes to have a versatile map pool, and TDA adds to that. Plus most of these players haven't actually played on TDA before, so it's as good as a new map to them.
is it still a ladder map?
Hmm, I've no idea. I wouldn't expect it to be after this long, but I haven't logged in in a LONG time hehe
Yes, it is still a ladder map. I think everyone has it vetoed though
On December 15 2012 17:40 yoshi245 wrote: Disappointed that soo lost that, wanted SKT to win tonight Also why they chose to put Tal'Darim in the map pool puzzles me. That's such an old map.
Proleague likes to have a versatile map pool, and TDA adds to that. Plus most of these players haven't actually played on TDA before, so it's as good as a new map to them.
is it still a ladder map?
Hmm, I've no idea. I wouldn't expect it to be after this long, but I haven't logged in in a LONG time hehe
Well that all came down to Fantasy throwing the game away. Had he just build up workers non-stop and transition into macro game, he would win easily. All that traveling distance. Fantasy just cant get it right, when his plans doesnt work and he needs to improvise.
Quite an upset, quite bold to not put Rain in the Ace, unlike most Protoss he knows perfectly how to counter Zerg, and Soulkey was one of the more likelier picks for Woongjin to play Ace here..
On December 15 2012 17:32 haka wrote: Well, at least Soo's on my anti-team lol.
I think its a net 0 if a player on your anti team loses the ace match.
Actually, having an anti team player losing an ace match is the only way to gain points on your anti. You get +1 on anti for a player's ace loss.
i think the player needs to lose twice to gain points? if they win their main lineup game and lose ace, then it's net zero
And if they didn't show up the main lineup?
then you can never "gain" points from them. they need to lose twice to "gain" one point
No. If the player is not in the lineup but plays and loses the ace match you get +1 on anti (+1 ace appearance, -2 ace loss) If the player loses twice in one match you also get +1 on anti (+1 lineup, -1 loss, +1 ace appearance, -2 ace loss) If the player wins his normal match but loses the ace match you get -2 on anti (+1 lineup, +2 win, +1 ace appearance, -2 ace loss)
On December 15 2012 18:40 Bunn wrote: Just watched soo vs flying. Soo's hold was so amazing!
Soo played very well, but Flying's indecision and poor execution are the reasons why he lost.
I'm cutting myself right now. I traded Soulkey off my team... and he just won his match AND ace match.
I guess this is your first FPL? Generally, you should never trade a player for somebody half his value (Soulkey 41.14 > Wooki, 20.76) Also, you shouldn't drop potential ace players from your team (soulkey is a likely ace for woongjin, wooki will probably never play an ace match) However, at least you got somebody fairly decent. + Show Spoiler +
Wooki already earned you 4 points today and will probably get you another 5 in the next game)
On December 15 2012 17:32 haka wrote: Well, at least Soo's on my anti-team lol.
I think its a net 0 if a player on your anti team loses the ace match.
Actually, having an anti team player losing an ace match is the only way to gain points on your anti. You get +1 on anti for a player's ace loss.
i think the player needs to lose twice to gain points? if they win their main lineup game and lose ace, then it's net zero
And if they didn't show up the main lineup?
then you can never "gain" points from them. they need to lose twice to "gain" one point
No. If the player is not in the lineup but plays and loses the ace match you get +1 on anti (+1 ace appearance, -2 ace loss)
afaik you need to play in starting six to be sent out as ace?
On December 15 2012 21:59 ggrrg wrote: If the player loses twice in one match you also get +1 on anti (+1 lineup, -1 loss, +1 ace appearance, -2 ace loss)
I don't think SoO was a bad choice for ace, he might not be quite as good as Rain, but sending a Protoss on Tal'Darim against an almost certain Zerg (or PvP without ramp LOL) is worse. SoO's still a bit underrated I think because he's an SKT Zerg
On December 15 2012 21:59 ggrrg wrote: If the player loses twice in one match you also get +1 on anti (+1 lineup, -1 loss, +1 ace appearance, -2 ace loss)
that's what i said
You said that they "need to lose twice to "gain" one point". If they get fielded only in ace and lose that match you still gain one point on anti. Also, you said that "if they win their main lineup game and lose ace, then it's net zero". That's also not correct. This would lead to you losing 2 points on anti.
On December 15 2012 17:32 haka wrote: Well, at least Soo's on my anti-team lol.
I think its a net 0 if a player on your anti team loses the ace match.
Actually, having an anti team player losing an ace match is the only way to gain points on your anti. You get +1 on anti for a player's ace loss.
i think the player needs to lose twice to gain points? if they win their main lineup game and lose ace, then it's net zero
And if they didn't show up the main lineup?
then you can never "gain" points from them. they need to lose twice to "gain" one point
No. If the player is not in the lineup but plays and loses the ace match you get +1 on anti (+1 ace appearance, -2 ace loss)
afaik you need to play in starting six to be sent out as ace?
On December 15 2012 21:59 ggrrg wrote: If the player loses twice in one match you also get +1 on anti (+1 lineup, -1 loss, +1 ace appearance, -2 ace loss)
that's what i said
You said that they "need to lose twice to "gain" one point". If they get fielded only in ace and lose that match you still gain one point on anti. Also, you said that "if they win their main lineup game and lose ace, then it's net zero". That's also not correct. This would lead to you losing 2 points on anti.
i heard that ace players need to be in the starting six - so "If they get fielded only in ace and lose that match you still gain one point on anti" wouldn't happen? unless you can get sent out as ace without being on the main lineup?
On December 15 2012 17:32 haka wrote: Well, at least Soo's on my anti-team lol.
I think its a net 0 if a player on your anti team loses the ace match.
Actually, having an anti team player losing an ace match is the only way to gain points on your anti. You get +1 on anti for a player's ace loss.
i think the player needs to lose twice to gain points? if they win their main lineup game and lose ace, then it's net zero
And if they didn't show up the main lineup?
then you can never "gain" points from them. they need to lose twice to "gain" one point
No. If the player is not in the lineup but plays and loses the ace match you get +1 on anti (+1 ace appearance, -2 ace loss)
afaik you need to play in starting six to be sent out as ace?
On December 15 2012 21:59 ggrrg wrote: If the player loses twice in one match you also get +1 on anti (+1 lineup, -1 loss, +1 ace appearance, -2 ace loss)
that's what i said
You said that they "need to lose twice to "gain" one point". If they get fielded only in ace and lose that match you still gain one point on anti. Also, you said that "if they win their main lineup game and lose ace, then it's net zero". That's also not correct. This would lead to you losing 2 points on anti.
i heard that ace players need to be in the starting six - so "If they get fielded only in ace and lose that match you still gain one point on anti" wouldn't happen? unless you can get sent out as ace without being on the main lineup?
stand corrected on the other point
To be honest, I am not completely certain. If I recall correctly, in the last bw SPL I watched (before hybrid) it was possible to field an ace who isn't in the starting lineup.
Yup, Fantasy is definately playing the game now, that was amazing. He really should have expanded quicker though (as in fantasy), he wasn't all that much behind from the start as he started mining ages before hon_sin.
Great game, shame SKT lost their game this week, but damn that was good.
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