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PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32746 Posts
December 10 2012 02:50 GMT
#2461
On December 10 2012 11:49 Soyuz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 11:41 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On December 10 2012 11:40 Megabuster123 wrote:
I feel like Gumiho feels more consistent because he doesn't play as much as MKP. Huh..>_>

probably. plus his amazing GSTL games are really memorable
Gumiho vs MMA should be a game of the year candidate


And Gumiho vs Polt! god GumihovT is just so good....


GuMiho has the most entertaining games ever, just high quality all around in all match-ups. Too bad he doesn't travel much (or at all), and he does tend to lose more than he wins in singles than team leagues.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-10 02:54:45
December 10 2012 02:50 GMT
#2462
On December 10 2012 11:46 opterown wrote:
personal top 10 for the year, without weight recent tournaments:

DongRaeGu - great early on, less so now but still relevant
Mvp - Mvp, enough said
Leenock - good pretty much all year
Life - insane second half this year
MarineKing - dropped off lately, but still some of the best achievements this year. peak ELO was insane
PartinG - some really solid recent results but remember he only beat one korean to win $125,000 lol. inconsistent in GSL
Creator - started shining mid-year and still very relevant
TaeJa - did really well for a few weeks, but his tourney wins were against rather weak lineups
Rain - came on recently which is the only reason he's not higher, likely will stay relevant for a long time
Stephano or viOLet - token 'best foreigner'


To find the best players what you do is take all the Code S winners and then put them in order of how well they did this year so
1.DRG (GSL,2ndOSL,2nd MLG x2, 1st MLG x2)
2.Mvp (GSL, 2nd GSL, IEM)
3.Life (GSL, 2nd TSL, MLG)
4+5 Seed&Sniper
and then the next 5 best who didnt win GSL imo

plus Parting had to qualify for BWC by WCS Korea so its not just beating 1 korean.
#TheOneTrueDong
Shikada
Profile Joined May 2012
Serbia976 Posts
December 10 2012 02:51 GMT
#2463
On December 10 2012 11:49 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 11:48 Megabuster123 wrote:
On December 10 2012 11:41 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On December 10 2012 11:40 Megabuster123 wrote:
I feel like Gumiho feels more consistent because he doesn't play as much as MKP. Huh..>_>

probably. plus his amazing GSTL games are really memorable
Gumiho vs MMA should be a game of the year candidate

MVP vs MMA on whirlwind was probably one of the best TvT's of the year.


I raise you Flash vs. Ryung on top of those 2 on Whirlwind.


Good candidates all, but Flash vs Ryung takes it for me.
ardi
Profile Joined February 2012
United States187 Posts
December 10 2012 02:51 GMT
#2464
Abyssal City!! Prepare for a sick game.
Doors block the thrust of life!!!!
kju
Profile Joined September 2010
6143 Posts
December 10 2012 02:51 GMT
#2465
On December 10 2012 11:50 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
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On December 10 2012 11:48 Pwere wrote:
On December 10 2012 11:47 Dodgin wrote:
loved the decision to warp in 9 DT's
Even though there was a spore at the 3rd...

The lack of larva hurt Violet so much. He had 2k/1k but nothing to do with it.


Yeah I think he was over producing lings, Sure lings are very good vs Pure Stalker 9 dts shred lings so quick that the stalkers were free to pick off whatever they wanted.

HerO killed the roach warren
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26543 Posts
December 10 2012 02:51 GMT
#2466
On December 10 2012 11:49 AgentW wrote:
As a Terran player, please chide me if this is a stupid question: with the current meta, why don't more Protoss go for a big pre-hive super heavy blink stalker attack like that? Fungal takes so long to kill stalkers, and if you engage in a choke, upgraded stalkers should do better than roaches and lings, right?

They pretty much do a lot of those timings. However Stalker/Immortal or Stalker/Collosi attacks tend to fare better because they're more balanced comps. If a Zerg gets wind of a huge blink stalker timing he can go more ling/infestor centric which really shreds Stalker balls if controlled well.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Ben-
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom210 Posts
December 10 2012 02:52 GMT
#2467
On December 10 2012 11:49 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 11:48 Megabuster123 wrote:
On December 10 2012 11:41 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On December 10 2012 11:40 Megabuster123 wrote:
I feel like Gumiho feels more consistent because he doesn't play as much as MKP. Huh..>_>

probably. plus his amazing GSTL games are really memorable
Gumiho vs MMA should be a game of the year candidate

MVP vs MMA on whirlwind was probably one of the best TvT's of the year.


I raise you Flash vs. Ryung on top of those 2 on Whirlwind.


gotta agree with this

anyway gogo hero!
RezChi
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2368 Posts
December 10 2012 02:52 GMT
#2468
Violets playing protoss!?
jackdaleaper
Profile Joined September 2010
Philippines1216 Posts
December 10 2012 02:52 GMT
#2469
On December 10 2012 11:48 Delphiki wrote:
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On December 10 2012 11:47 ultratorr wrote:
It seems like if violet's broodlords morphed, hero would lose right? Am I understanding this game correctly?


I think not. Too many stalkers maybe?


I think so too, You need support for broods and it got wiped out way before the broods finished morphing. If, for some reason a few roaches/lings and infestors survived in time for the broods I think they'd have melted to the DTs since there was no detection.
2stra
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands928 Posts
December 10 2012 02:52 GMT
#2470
<3 gateway openings!
OrangeNinja21
Profile Joined November 2010
United States84 Posts
December 10 2012 02:52 GMT
#2471
Wow this map so blue O___O
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
ultratorr
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada332 Posts
December 10 2012 02:52 GMT
#2472
Gateway first? What build is this?
Putty
Profile Joined September 2012
210 Posts
December 10 2012 02:52 GMT
#2473
On December 10 2012 11:49 AgentW wrote:
As a Terran player, please chide me if this is a stupid question: with the current meta, why don't more Protoss go for a big pre-hive super heavy blink stalker attack like that? Fungal takes so long to kill stalkers, and if you engage in a choke, upgraded stalkers should do better than roaches and lings, right?


Because there are spine crawler walls. Pure blink stalker vs spine+infestor are not good. There are many others more effective pre-hive timings...

In this game violet was clearly confused by the unconventional build from hero and thats why he lost, but that push from hero was not very good. Hero is like tlo...usualy he wins disorienting his opponent with crazy things...
pedrlz
Profile Joined September 2012
Brazil5234 Posts
December 10 2012 02:53 GMT
#2474
There is ANY chance they put the FFA game VODs for free? I want to show for a friend, but
Megabuster123
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada1837 Posts
December 10 2012 02:53 GMT
#2475
On December 10 2012 11:49 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 11:48 Megabuster123 wrote:
On December 10 2012 11:41 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On December 10 2012 11:40 Megabuster123 wrote:
I feel like Gumiho feels more consistent because he doesn't play as much as MKP. Huh..>_>

probably. plus his amazing GSTL games are really memorable
Gumiho vs MMA should be a game of the year candidate

MVP vs MMA on whirlwind was probably one of the best TvT's of the year.


I raise you Flash vs. Ryung on top of those 2 on Whirlwind.

That was a great game too. Flash's flanks kept in that game 20 minutes longer than he should've been.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
December 10 2012 02:53 GMT
#2476
On December 10 2012 11:52 Putty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 11:49 AgentW wrote:
As a Terran player, please chide me if this is a stupid question: with the current meta, why don't more Protoss go for a big pre-hive super heavy blink stalker attack like that? Fungal takes so long to kill stalkers, and if you engage in a choke, upgraded stalkers should do better than roaches and lings, right?


Because there are spine crawler walls. Pure blink stalker vs spine+infestor are not good. There are many others more effective pre-hive timings...

In this game violet was clearly confused by the unconventional build from hero and thats why he lost, but that push from hero was not very good. Hero is like tlo...usualy he wins disorienting his opponent with crazy things...

Yeah people used to do it earlier in the year, maybe around the summer? They used to go for a +3 200/200 blink stalker prehive timing push but zergs got good at defending it. I remember some people like Creator and Genius using it
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NaldoR
Profile Joined November 2010
Singapore2198 Posts
December 10 2012 02:53 GMT
#2477
Noooo... HerO scout the gas!!...
and please do not 1 gate expand...
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
December 10 2012 02:54 GMT
#2478
On December 10 2012 11:51 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 11:49 AgentW wrote:
As a Terran player, please chide me if this is a stupid question: with the current meta, why don't more Protoss go for a big pre-hive super heavy blink stalker attack like that? Fungal takes so long to kill stalkers, and if you engage in a choke, upgraded stalkers should do better than roaches and lings, right?

They pretty much do a lot of those timings. However Stalker/Immortal or Stalker/Collosi attacks tend to fare better because they're more balanced comps. If a Zerg gets wind of a huge blink stalker timing he can go more ling/infestor centric which really shreds Stalker balls if controlled well.

Okay, thank you. With 3-1 upgrades and the FFs that HerO had, how would have the 0-2 (??) lings done, do you think? With blink, does it fare okay?
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
Shikada
Profile Joined May 2012
Serbia976 Posts
December 10 2012 02:54 GMT
#2479
On December 10 2012 11:52 Putty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 11:49 AgentW wrote:
As a Terran player, please chide me if this is a stupid question: with the current meta, why don't more Protoss go for a big pre-hive super heavy blink stalker attack like that? Fungal takes so long to kill stalkers, and if you engage in a choke, upgraded stalkers should do better than roaches and lings, right?


Because there are spine crawler walls. Pure blink stalker vs spine+infestor are not good. There are many others more effective pre-hive timings...

In this game violet was clearly confused by the unconventional build from hero and thats why he lost, but that push from hero was not very good. Hero is like tlo...usualy he wins disorienting his opponent with crazy things...


Very well said dude. I totally agree. Hero likes to make the game chaotic and then win with his insane micro and harassment, and in general, experience with chaotic games.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
December 10 2012 02:54 GMT
#2480
On December 10 2012 11:53 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 11:52 Putty wrote:
On December 10 2012 11:49 AgentW wrote:
As a Terran player, please chide me if this is a stupid question: with the current meta, why don't more Protoss go for a big pre-hive super heavy blink stalker attack like that? Fungal takes so long to kill stalkers, and if you engage in a choke, upgraded stalkers should do better than roaches and lings, right?


Because there are spine crawler walls. Pure blink stalker vs spine+infestor are not good. There are many others more effective pre-hive timings...

In this game violet was clearly confused by the unconventional build from hero and thats why he lost, but that push from hero was not very good. Hero is like tlo...usualy he wins disorienting his opponent with crazy things...

Yeah people used to do it earlier in the year, maybe around the summer? They used to go for a +3 200/200 blink stalker prehive timing push but zergs got good at defending it. I remember some people like Creator and Genius using it


It was the Seed build man

I never did see it not work, he stopped using though so I guess they figured it out in practice.
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