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PresenceSc2
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4032 Posts
December 10 2012 02:55 GMT
#2481
people so quick on these keys
Stephano//HerO//TaeJa//Squirtle//Bomber
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
December 10 2012 02:55 GMT
#2482
On December 10 2012 11:54 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 11:53 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On December 10 2012 11:52 Putty wrote:
On December 10 2012 11:49 AgentW wrote:
As a Terran player, please chide me if this is a stupid question: with the current meta, why don't more Protoss go for a big pre-hive super heavy blink stalker attack like that? Fungal takes so long to kill stalkers, and if you engage in a choke, upgraded stalkers should do better than roaches and lings, right?


Because there are spine crawler walls. Pure blink stalker vs spine+infestor are not good. There are many others more effective pre-hive timings...

In this game violet was clearly confused by the unconventional build from hero and thats why he lost, but that push from hero was not very good. Hero is like tlo...usualy he wins disorienting his opponent with crazy things...

Yeah people used to do it earlier in the year, maybe around the summer? They used to go for a +3 200/200 blink stalker prehive timing push but zergs got good at defending it. I remember some people like Creator and Genius using it


It was the Seed build man

I never did see it not work, he stopped using though so I guess they figured it out in practice.

oh yeah I suppose he was the first one to do it and people started copying it. the PvZs all blend together for me
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AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-10 02:57:05
December 10 2012 02:56 GMT
#2483
Zealot-archon with hallucinated colossi?

EDIT: No twilight
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26035 Posts
December 10 2012 02:57 GMT
#2484
On December 10 2012 11:54 AgentW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 11:51 Wombat_NI wrote:
On December 10 2012 11:49 AgentW wrote:
As a Terran player, please chide me if this is a stupid question: with the current meta, why don't more Protoss go for a big pre-hive super heavy blink stalker attack like that? Fungal takes so long to kill stalkers, and if you engage in a choke, upgraded stalkers should do better than roaches and lings, right?

They pretty much do a lot of those timings. However Stalker/Immortal or Stalker/Collosi attacks tend to fare better because they're more balanced comps. If a Zerg gets wind of a huge blink stalker timing he can go more ling/infestor centric which really shreds Stalker balls if controlled well.

Okay, thank you. With 3-1 upgrades and the FFs that HerO had, how would have the 0-2 (??) lings done, do you think? With blink, does it fare okay?

If you can blink, yeah. Also if you get into a choke and cut your surface area of stalkers it can also work.

Fungal is a nightmare though, it both stops blink, and also interupts the command so you have to continually re-spam the blink command to try and avoid chain fungals.

Iirc Seed was the master of huge blink stalker timing attacks a while back, I'll maybe have a look and find some if you have GOM pass and PM you them if you want to see the style at work.

Also, can people stop saying HerO is some 'cute' gimmicky player. One of the most strategically intelligent players out there, very smart improvisational abilities.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
ultratorr
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada332 Posts
December 10 2012 02:57 GMT
#2485
I have no idea what hero is doing
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
December 10 2012 02:57 GMT
#2486
Why the hell is Violet on 2 base? And Halluc warp prism? dafuq?
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
Deadeight
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1629 Posts
December 10 2012 02:58 GMT
#2487
On December 10 2012 11:55 Za7oX wrote:
people so quick on these keys


I wonder what the delay is for outside NA. I entered the final character as it came up on screen and hit enter immediately, but it had been claimed.

It would only take a few seconds delay in routing or whatever for people on other continents to just not have a chance.
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
December 10 2012 02:58 GMT
#2488
On December 10 2012 11:57 Havik_ wrote:
Why the hell is Violet on 2 base? And Halluc warp prism? dafuq?

hero's next lvling him
Cackle™
GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
December 10 2012 02:58 GMT
#2489
this game is so weird but abyssal is such a bad map to take 3rd bases for protoss
CikaZombi
Profile Joined August 2011
Serbia630 Posts
December 10 2012 02:59 GMT
#2490
On December 10 2012 11:55 Za7oX wrote:
people so quick on these keys


Indeed I'm going crazy xD

You can no more evade my wrath, than you could your own shadow.
bourne117
Profile Joined May 2010
United States837 Posts
December 10 2012 02:59 GMT
#2491
By now I am starting to think that they are just posting used keys. Some of them I got almost instantly and they were claimed.
QO Feasting
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
December 10 2012 02:59 GMT
#2492
On December 10 2012 11:57 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 11:54 AgentW wrote:
On December 10 2012 11:51 Wombat_NI wrote:
On December 10 2012 11:49 AgentW wrote:
As a Terran player, please chide me if this is a stupid question: with the current meta, why don't more Protoss go for a big pre-hive super heavy blink stalker attack like that? Fungal takes so long to kill stalkers, and if you engage in a choke, upgraded stalkers should do better than roaches and lings, right?

They pretty much do a lot of those timings. However Stalker/Immortal or Stalker/Collosi attacks tend to fare better because they're more balanced comps. If a Zerg gets wind of a huge blink stalker timing he can go more ling/infestor centric which really shreds Stalker balls if controlled well.

Okay, thank you. With 3-1 upgrades and the FFs that HerO had, how would have the 0-2 (??) lings done, do you think? With blink, does it fare okay?

If you can blink, yeah. Also if you get into a choke and cut your surface area of stalkers it can also work.

Fungal is a nightmare though, it both stops blink, and also interupts the command so you have to continually re-spam the blink command to try and avoid chain fungals.

Iirc Seed was the master of huge blink stalker timing attacks a while back, I'll maybe have a look and find some if you have GOM pass and PM you them if you want to see the style at work.

Also, can people stop saying HerO is some 'cute' gimmicky player. One of the most strategically intelligent players out there, very smart improvisational abilities.


Not terribly interested, just was trying to understand PvZ a bit better as someone who doesn't play the matchup.

Don't have a GOM pass either. Have to get on that.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
cmgillett
Profile Joined March 2010
United States335 Posts
December 10 2012 02:59 GMT
#2493
this map is wayyyyyyyy too blue x.x
ultratorr
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada332 Posts
December 10 2012 03:00 GMT
#2494
Wow hero and his weird builds. Insane
AllHailTheDead
Profile Joined July 2011
United States418 Posts
December 10 2012 03:00 GMT
#2495
how come it looks like shit at 480p
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
December 10 2012 03:00 GMT
#2496
violet was so thrown off by HerO's build i think
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
December 10 2012 03:01 GMT
#2497
argh dammit violet
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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Severus_
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
759 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-10 03:01:32
December 10 2012 03:01 GMT
#2498
lol violet has burrow his festor get traped doesn't burrow them LOOOOOOOOOL and hero didn't have obs cuz the obs went to clear teh zergling on the 3rd.....
OrangeNinja21
Profile Joined November 2010
United States84 Posts
December 10 2012 03:01 GMT
#2499
GG
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
ArchangelJada
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada910 Posts
December 10 2012 03:01 GMT
#2500
dam hero bringing it back
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