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KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
December 02 2012 20:38 GMT
#1541
Well.

Didn't see that coming.
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TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
December 02 2012 20:38 GMT
#1542
Leenock vs. viOLet

Leenock wins (59.16%):
      3-1: 31.52%
      3-2: 27.65%

viOLet wins (40.84%):
      3-1: 19.24%
      3-2: 21.60%

Most likely winner: Leenock (59.16%)
Median outcome: Leenock 3-2 viOLet

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details, data source, code
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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
December 02 2012 20:38 GMT
#1543
Hey violet might win another tournament somehow avoiding all of the hype and coming in with no expectations.
Glorious SEA doto
MangoMountain
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2044 Posts
December 02 2012 20:38 GMT
#1544
Violet looks like a janitor with that name tag on his jacket
Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany2959 Posts
December 02 2012 20:38 GMT
#1545
Doh

Now he got another loss on his IPL run, well, it's still okay.
WrathBringerReturns said: No no no. Sarcasm is detected in the voice. When this forum is riddled with stupidity, you think I can tell every post apart? Fair enough it was intended sarcastically, was it obvious? Of course not.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-02 20:39:54
December 02 2012 20:39 GMT
#1546
On December 03 2012 05:31 MasterKang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 05:29 wangstra wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:23 Zane wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:22 Dodgin wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:21 MasterKang wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:19 Dodgin wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:18 MasterKang wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:16 IshinShishi wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:10 MasterKang wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:09 Qwerty85 wrote:
[quote]

I seriously hope you are trolling.


link me to the games where MVP straight up outplays Life with mech

All the games he won.


http://www.gomtv.net/2012gsls4/vod/70653

Game 3+4: Life doesn't build roaches. Life loses economy to blue flame helions. MVP pushes with mech and ends game. Game 5 is the only game where MVP wins after NOT completely destroying Life's eco in the early game


you are crusading pretty hard for this, I have to wonder why.


Yeah it took me so long to open gomtv and find the GSL final link (10 seconds)


I'm talking more about the 10+ replies trying to convince everyone Mvp sucks even though no one seems to agree with you

Maybe if he tries hard enough he'll convert someone.

You'd be surprised then how many non commenting folk do agree with him. Secondly whether he is right or wrong, he's advancing his idea with arguments. So far I've seen him called a troll and that's about it.


thank you someone who doesnt' jump on the "omg he criticized MVP's play? he must be a troll" bandwagon.


I mean, criticize his play all you want but at the end of the day he's the only Terran player to even make a GSL finals this year so maybe the other Terran players should step it up and show us that they're better. This whole discussion of how he's not actually that good is pointless when you can't point to someone else and say they do it better than him.

On December 03 2012 05:37 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 05:28 shabby wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:25 Wombat_NI wrote:
He's kind of got a point though. Mech rarely seems to win TvZ games without doing a ton of Eco damage at some stage. I'd love examples, as perhaps I'm just atypical. To my recollection I have never seen a mech TvZ where the T won without roasting drones, or the Zerg screwing up in modern TvZ.

I'd love to check these games that disprove that. I currently think mech is outright bad in TvZ. It to me seems to rely too much on your opponent's mistakes. Would genuinely like to challenge my current views on mech


That's a bit like saying that bio doesn't seem to win without dropping in TvZ. Of course you are going to go for eco damage with mech, you are pumping out hellions, and going for drones with them is the best use until you build up your tanks. Your opponent doesn't need to "screw up", you can outplay or outsmart him just the same.

Dropping exemplifies you trying to make something happen and your opponent trying to deflect it. I feel suiciding hellions into drone lines is showing a blind hope to do damage rather than forcing it. Lucifrons mech is the coolest I've seen because he uses things like banshees purely to snipe rallied infestors if he can and other really cool subtleties.

Like I said, if someone has a vod of a mech player exploiting mistakes in more subtle ways and not say via a successful hellion run by I'd love to check it out. Lucifron vs Stephano is the kind of approach to mech I think has potential, even though he lost


You may want to try the abyssal city game in the GSL finals.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
December 02 2012 20:39 GMT
#1547
Nice viOlet. Hard to choose who to cheer for, i like them both.
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
December 02 2012 20:39 GMT
#1548
On December 03 2012 05:37 felisconcolori wrote:
Supply in ZvZ is entirely meaningless after a point... I mean, with enough supply in infestors, you have an instant army. If your ITs can take out the actual supply of your opponent, you can equalize the supply difference and maybe come back.

But I think the real point I'm trying to make is, MAKE INFESTORS VIOLET!


quite wrong, as seen in this game
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
December 02 2012 20:39 GMT
#1549
Poll: Recommend Octopus vs Purple-ish game 2 ?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (19)
 
83%

Nae (3)
 
13%

Annyeo (1)
 
4%

23 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Octopus vs Purple-ish game 2 ?

(Vote): Nae
(Vote): Annyeo
(Vote): ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
December 02 2012 20:39 GMT
#1550
gogo Violet!
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
aax5
Profile Joined August 2011
United States54 Posts
December 02 2012 20:39 GMT
#1551
I really want colored infested terran eggs!!!
jnd
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Czech Republic915 Posts
December 02 2012 20:39 GMT
#1552
On December 03 2012 05:38 HaXXspetten wrote:
GG

cmon violet, keep the upset up!

upset? violet is the favorite here, didn't you see his run through this tourney?
Team 8 BaBy will be the next Terran Bonjwa in HoTS | HSC V, the best tournament in 2012 | GD Studio #1 no fluff esports show
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
December 02 2012 20:40 GMT
#1553
Getting ready to go to- AD.
The Bomber boy
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
December 02 2012 20:40 GMT
#1554
On December 03 2012 05:37 HaXXspetten wrote:
just me or has the stream deteriorated?


I feel like it was definitely better quality (and less laggy) yesterday.
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32746 Posts
December 02 2012 20:40 GMT
#1555
On December 03 2012 05:39 jnd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 05:38 HaXXspetten wrote:
GG

cmon violet, keep the upset up!

upset? violet is the favorite here, didn't you see his run through this tourney?


Leenock is the expected champion here, viOLet had a great run, but Leenock is simply better recently.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Hiea
Profile Joined March 2012
Denmark1538 Posts
December 02 2012 20:40 GMT
#1556
On December 03 2012 05:38 TheBB wrote:
Leenock vs. viOLet

Leenock wins (59.16%):
      3-1: 31.52%
      3-2: 27.65%

viOLet wins (40.84%):
      3-1: 19.24%
      3-2: 21.60%

Most likely winner: Leenock (59.16%)
Median outcome: Leenock 3-2 viOLet

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details, data source, code

Is it a Bo5? I thought i heard that somewhere but Frodan just said winner of the next match goes onto the grand final.
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
December 02 2012 20:40 GMT
#1557
On December 03 2012 05:39 jnd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 05:38 HaXXspetten wrote:
GG

cmon violet, keep the upset up!

upset? violet is the favorite here, didn't you see his run through this tourney?

well sure, he's had a harder run, don't tell me Leenock isn't quite the favourite because of that

also check the polls in the OP
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-02 20:41:17
December 02 2012 20:40 GMT
#1558
On December 03 2012 05:39 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 05:37 felisconcolori wrote:
Supply in ZvZ is entirely meaningless after a point... I mean, with enough supply in infestors, you have an instant army. If your ITs can take out the actual supply of your opponent, you can equalize the supply difference and maybe come back.

But I think the real point I'm trying to make is, MAKE INFESTORS VIOLET!


quite wrong, as seen in this game


Not entirely wrong, just not always right. I've seen it work that way from time to time, but apparently not in this game.

I don't think the initial use of the ITs from Leenock to scare away 5 (or so) roaches was good. Most of Violet's forces were pulled back, waiting for the ITs to expire.
Yes, I email sponsors... to thank them. Don't post drunk, kids. My king, what has become of you?
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
December 02 2012 20:41 GMT
#1559
On December 03 2012 05:37 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 05:28 shabby wrote:
On December 03 2012 05:25 Wombat_NI wrote:
He's kind of got a point though. Mech rarely seems to win TvZ games without doing a ton of Eco damage at some stage. I'd love examples, as perhaps I'm just atypical. To my recollection I have never seen a mech TvZ where the T won without roasting drones, or the Zerg screwing up in modern TvZ.

I'd love to check these games that disprove that. I currently think mech is outright bad in TvZ. It to me seems to rely too much on your opponent's mistakes. Would genuinely like to challenge my current views on mech


That's a bit like saying that bio doesn't seem to win without dropping in TvZ. Of course you are going to go for eco damage with mech, you are pumping out hellions, and going for drones with them is the best use until you build up your tanks. Your opponent doesn't need to "screw up", you can outplay or outsmart him just the same.

Dropping exemplifies you trying to make something happen and your opponent trying to deflect it. I feel suiciding hellions into drone lines is showing a blind hope to do damage rather than forcing it. Lucifrons mech is the coolest I've seen because he uses things like banshees purely to snipe rallied infestors if he can and other really cool subtleties.

Like I said, if someone has a vod of a mech player exploiting mistakes in more subtle ways and not say via a successful hellion run by I'd love to check it out. Lucifron vs Stephano is the kind of approach to mech I think has potential, even though he lost

Lucifron has said a couple of times before that he didn't know how to play terran and that he only noticed this during Mvp's IEM run, then proceeding to mention how much he learnt during the tournament.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany2959 Posts
December 02 2012 20:41 GMT
#1560
On December 03 2012 05:39 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 05:37 felisconcolori wrote:
Supply in ZvZ is entirely meaningless after a point... I mean, with enough supply in infestors, you have an instant army. If your ITs can take out the actual supply of your opponent, you can equalize the supply difference and maybe come back.

But I think the real point I'm trying to make is, MAKE INFESTORS VIOLET!


quite wrong, as seen in this game


I love these ridiculous "instant IT army!!!" comments. Yes, IT are strong but let's not overestimate them either. Sometimes (often) it feels like to few folks actually play the game and know the mechanics well enough and instead just repeat what they hear from the LR whiners or Twitch chat.
WrathBringerReturns said: No no no. Sarcasm is detected in the voice. When this forum is riddled with stupidity, you think I can tell every post apart? Fair enough it was intended sarcastically, was it obvious? Of course not.
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