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On December 03 2012 13:41 polishedturd wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 13:39 negativedge wrote: the best part is everyone screaming about the lack of terrans. meanwhile, no protoss in the top 8. 2 terran, 2 zerg in mlg fall top4 2 terran, 2 zerg in GSL ro4 2 terran, 2 zerg in IPL top4 no one cares about aiur  To be fair We won Dreamhack, WCG and OSL sooooo we can't complain too much!
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Remember, toss swept BWC.
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On December 03 2012 13:43 Qwertify wrote: Ok I am very confused. I play zerg so please don't complain about me whining IMBA, etc.
But, is Violet just really good, or is Zerg just seriously OP a bit? Violet did have good engagements, but there didn't really seem like there was anything that Polt did wrong. He could have spread those tanks out better, but that wouldn't really change the outcome of the game. I also understand the upgrades were a bit different. But still, that all looked very easy.
And now we have a ZvZ finals for the second day in a row. First the GSL, and now the IPL. Not long ago we had Life vs. Leenock. Well whatever. HOTS comes out soon, and the whole meta-game is going to start anew, so .. I guess no real need to worry about any imbalance starting March or so.
I am sure all the people playing SC2 do not want to wait until March. I don't really want to watch any more ZvZ. TvT was bad too.
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On December 03 2012 13:43 Mataru wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 13:40 TheDwf wrote:On December 03 2012 13:38 Mataru wrote: A couple of cloaked ghosts EMPing those clumped up infestors would have made a big difference... 30 BCs would have made a big difference too; pity games don't always allow things which would make a big difference. Yeah it was impossible for polt to make ghosts in that game. i bet if he made ghosts in this game you would be complaining about polt not having enough tanks/vikings/medivacs/bio
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On December 03 2012 13:43 playnice wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 13:41 polishedturd wrote:On December 03 2012 13:39 negativedge wrote: the best part is everyone screaming about the lack of terrans. meanwhile, no protoss in the top 8. 2 terran, 2 terran in mlg fall 2 terran, 2 zerg in GSL ro4 2 terran, 2 zerg in IPL top4 no one cares about aiur  Sad Zealot fan club is back. Balance.
PartinG and HerO winning WCS , WCG, DHW kind of make it a little better for Protoss for now. If a Zerg had won those as well, I think we would have Protoss complaints as well.
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On December 03 2012 13:44 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 13:41 polishedturd wrote:On December 03 2012 13:39 negativedge wrote: the best part is everyone screaming about the lack of terrans. meanwhile, no protoss in the top 8. 2 terran, 2 zerg in mlg fall top4 2 terran, 2 zerg in GSL ro4 2 terran, 2 zerg in IPL top4 no one cares about aiur  To be fair We won Dreamhack, WCG and OSL sooooo we can't complain too much! and WCS
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On December 03 2012 13:41 polishedturd wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 13:39 negativedge wrote: the best part is everyone screaming about the lack of terrans. meanwhile, no protoss in the top 8. 2 terran, 2 zerg in mlg fall top4 2 terran, 2 zerg in GSL ro4 2 terran, 2 zerg in IPL top4 no one cares about aiur  aiur is getting their dough in the low tier tournaments, at least its a win.
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On December 03 2012 13:44 Talack wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 13:42 zhurai wrote:On December 03 2012 13:42 Talack wrote:On December 03 2012 13:41 TheDwf wrote:On December 03 2012 13:39 Talack wrote:On December 03 2012 13:39 Moka wrote:On December 03 2012 13:37 lowercase wrote: Zerg gets a maxed, top-tier army, Terran gets upset he cannot beat him with tier two units... I surely can get 8 battlecruisers, 5 Ravens and 12 vikings before the 15 minute mark without dying Maybe if BCs had 500 more hp, and 25 more damage @ the same firing rate they would be as good to tech to as brood lords. But then Infestors would come and take control of your fleet with NP. Why NP when you can just fungal and spam ITs :S why not both Well you need to understand that the game is only balanced around zerg making 5-6 infestors. Nobody would actually have like the 30 or so you'd need to do that. Nice try though  Love your pretend theory crafting haha just like your theorycraft the zerg would play standard against someone turtling for 15 minutes for an air army
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On December 03 2012 13:44 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 13:41 polishedturd wrote:On December 03 2012 13:39 negativedge wrote: the best part is everyone screaming about the lack of terrans. meanwhile, no protoss in the top 8. 2 terran, 2 zerg in mlg fall top4 2 terran, 2 zerg in GSL ro4 2 terran, 2 zerg in IPL top4 no one cares about aiur  To be fair We won Dreamhack, WCG and OSL sooooo we can't complain too much!
I don't think DreamHack is so much of a Protoss thing as it is a Hero-specific thing. That's his territory. <3
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On December 03 2012 13:43 Qwertify wrote: Ok I am very confused. I play zerg so please don't complain about me whining IMBA, etc.
But, is Violet just really good, or is Zerg just seriously OP a bit? Violet did have good engagements, but there didn't really seem like there was anything that Polt did wrong. He could have spread those tanks out better, but that wouldn't really change the outcome of the game. I also understand the upgrades were a bit different. But still, that all looked very easy.
And now we have a ZvZ finals for the second day in a row. First the GSL, and now the IPL. Not long ago we had Life vs. Leenock. Well whatever. HOTS comes out soon, and the whole meta-game is going to start anew, so .. I guess no real need to worry about any imbalance starting March or so. Violet is good. I'm not even sure there's a significant difference in skill between Violet and Polt. The problem is that composition is just impossible to beat cost-effectively w/o overexposing yourself to a big tech switch...
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On December 03 2012 13:43 Qwertify wrote: Ok I am very confused. I play zerg so please don't complain about me whining IMBA, etc.
But, is Violet just really good, or is Zerg just seriously OP a bit? Violet did have good engagements, but there didn't really seem like there was anything that Polt did wrong. He could have spread those tanks out better, but that wouldn't really change the outcome of the game. I also understand the upgrades were a bit different. But still, that all looked very easy.
And now we have a ZvZ finals for the second day in a row. First the GSL, and now the IPL. Not long ago we had Life vs. Leenock. Well whatever. HOTS comes out soon, and the whole meta-game is going to start anew, so .. I guess no real need to worry about any imbalance starting March or so. Polt threw his first army away by not having his tanks sieged, and they weren't spread. Losing that many tanks when you're behind in upgrades instantly kills your ability to be aggressive. Despite that he still stayed in the middle and lost another army after. If he kept most of those tanks alive he could have rallied to the middle and gone for another push at the 4th, taken his own 4th and transitioned for the broodlords.
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On December 03 2012 13:41 polishedturd wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 13:39 negativedge wrote: the best part is everyone screaming about the lack of terrans. meanwhile, no protoss in the top 8. 2 terran, 2 zerg in mlg fall top4 2 terran, 2 zerg in GSL ro4 2 terran, 2 zerg in IPL top4 no one cares about aiur  3 protoss, 1 zerg in BWC ;P
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On December 03 2012 13:46 tMomiji wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 13:44 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On December 03 2012 13:41 polishedturd wrote:On December 03 2012 13:39 negativedge wrote: the best part is everyone screaming about the lack of terrans. meanwhile, no protoss in the top 8. 2 terran, 2 zerg in mlg fall top4 2 terran, 2 zerg in GSL ro4 2 terran, 2 zerg in IPL top4 no one cares about aiur  To be fair We won Dreamhack, WCG and OSL sooooo we can't complain too much! I don't think DreamHack is so much of a Protoss thing as it is a Hero-specific thing. That's his territory. <3 thats like saying gsl isn't a terran thing as much as it is a mvp thing
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On December 03 2012 13:45 Monochromatic wrote: Remember, toss swept BWC.
I don't count the BWC because really with the player pool It would have been a shock if those Protoss players DIDN'T sweep that tourny..
But as I said earlier we won Dreamhack, and OSL so not too bad!
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Protoss has to complain to prove treehugger wrong in his bet.
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On December 03 2012 13:39 Bagi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 13:37 lowercase wrote: Zerg gets a maxed, top-tier army, Terran gets upset he cannot beat him with tier two units... Wow okay, how can someone have that many posts and still think SC has tiers? It's a convention used to describe tech levels. Tiers have existed since the original Starcraft. Stuff you require hive to build is, by convention, tier three. A broodlord/infestor army is definitely tier 3, as there is nothing else higher up the tech path to work to.
Terrans need to build a couple ghosts and EMP or snipe some infestors at least.
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On December 03 2012 13:46 NGrNecris wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 13:46 tMomiji wrote:On December 03 2012 13:44 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On December 03 2012 13:41 polishedturd wrote:On December 03 2012 13:39 negativedge wrote: the best part is everyone screaming about the lack of terrans. meanwhile, no protoss in the top 8. 2 terran, 2 zerg in mlg fall top4 2 terran, 2 zerg in GSL ro4 2 terran, 2 zerg in IPL top4 no one cares about aiur  To be fair We won Dreamhack, WCG and OSL sooooo we can't complain too much! I don't think DreamHack is so much of a Protoss thing as it is a Hero-specific thing. That's his territory. <3 thats like saying gsl isn't a terran thing as much as it is a mvp thing
...Wait you mean it ISN'T an MVP-specific thing?!
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Polt :'(
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On December 03 2012 13:43 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 13:43 Mataru wrote:On December 03 2012 13:40 TheDwf wrote:On December 03 2012 13:38 Mataru wrote: A couple of cloaked ghosts EMPing those clumped up infestors would have made a big difference... 30 BCs would have made a big difference too; pity games don't always allow things which would make a big difference. Yeah it was impossible for polt to make ghosts in that game. Not enough economy, no time, no Ghosts.
Im not talking about like 12 ghosts here, 3-4 could nullify that initial wave of infestors. I don't see how thats impossible at that stage of the game. You know zerg is gonna be making Infestors.
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