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On December 01 2012 06:03 MangoMountain wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 06:01 Chrian wrote:On December 01 2012 06:00 Serinox wrote:Poor HerO  better play but was not enough Cute harassment is nice, it will get you pretty far, but you can't engage big armies like shit and expect to win. Sorry. People still think outmultitasking bl infestor armies makes you the better player for some reason, it's the slowest army there is, violet isn't losing shit because he's bad, he's losing shit because it's impossible to defend everywhere at once
It doesn't necessarily make you the better player (I think Violet's an amazing player), but if you get a slow as shit army comp that can't defend your base you should actually be punished for that. In most strategy games that's a bad strategy, with Zerg it doesn't matter how much damage gets done to you as long as you keep a building and split your force of broods/infestors.
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On December 01 2012 06:06 .kv wrote:
Is DB and DKim at IPL?
just curious
I hope they're incognito or with bodyguards.
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Snute vs. Life
Snute wins (24.54%):
2-0: 10.43%
2-1: 14.12%
Life wins (75.46%):
2-0: 45.85%
2-1: 29.61%
Most likely winner: Life (75.46%)
Median outcome: Snute 1-2 Life
details, data source, code
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On December 01 2012 06:05 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 06:02 Zenbrez wrote:On December 01 2012 05:59 TheBB wrote:
Kinda sad Violet will get hardly any credit for that. For what? Hero not getting any archon's into the vortex? Violet played that properly, but he didn't end up winning because of his decision making, Hero didn't execute it 100% perfectly Thats exactly what the problem is. We have a situation where you have to play "100% perfectly" to win, that makes far superior players lose games on a regular basis. Even winrates and skill requirements were balanced out, the matchup would be competely broken because the only thing bringing it remotely close to equilibrium are several borderline completely broken all in's that hit in the early to midgame transition that are a mirror of the exact same problem
Hero didn't have to play 100% perfectly to win. Just not lose the mothership while landing two vortex without archons on infestors which had already thrown their infested terrans.
Hero had this game and he blew it, just like it happens in every match-up, it's just more flashy when its ZvP.
On December 01 2012 06:08 Swords wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 06:03 MangoMountain wrote:On December 01 2012 06:01 Chrian wrote:On December 01 2012 06:00 Serinox wrote:Poor HerO better play but was not enough Cute harassment is nice, it will get you pretty far, but you can't engage big armies like shit and expect to win. Sorry. People still think outmultitasking bl infestor armies makes you the better player for some reason, it's the slowest army there is, violet isn't losing shit because he's bad, he's losing shit because it's impossible to defend everywhere at once It doesn't necessarily make you the better player (I think Violet's an amazing player), but if you get a slow as shit army comp that can't defend your base you should actually be punished for that. In most strategy games that's a bad strategy, with Zerg it doesn't matter how much damage gets done to you as long as you keep a building and split your force of broods/infestors.
He got punished for that, he was completely all-in on that army and he should have lost.
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On December 01 2012 06:07 MuseMike wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 06:05 TheBB wrote:
I think you're all seriously exaggerating the amount by which Hero was ahead. No, not at all. 5 base toss to 4 base zerg. Violet wasted more than a thousand minerals on that base in hatcheries alone. Lost tons of roaches. Infestation pit sniped, Greater spire killed while morphing. HerO was ahead.
HerO wasted A LOT more resources harrassing than violet lost. The latter was cost-efficient with his units. HerO lost when he ran all his units into that vortex and lost his whole army (why would you ever run colossi into a vortex?)
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On December 01 2012 06:08 Fody03 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 06:06 Noocta wrote:On December 01 2012 06:06 s3rp wrote:On December 01 2012 06:03 Fusilero wrote:On December 01 2012 06:02 Fionn wrote:
IPL5 is now the same as TSL.
Five thousand Zergs and Polt. Lies, there are actually protosses. Soon there won't be don't worry  Creator actually win PvZ these days. Not against HuyN but you can't count that he beat hyun yesterday
Yeah, I actually forgot it. sorry.
Was thinking of his sweep in code S.
Well, Creator actually win PvZ. Period :D
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On December 01 2012 06:08 Asmodeusx wrote:I hope they're incognito or with bodyguards.
Protected by a wall of infestors
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On December 01 2012 06:08 Asmodeusx wrote:I hope they're incognito or with bodyguards.
They've got a brofestor hit squad keeping them safe from all the protoss and terrans after their blood.
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On December 01 2012 06:06 Defenestrator wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 06:04 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On December 01 2012 06:01 mambar wrote:On December 01 2012 06:00 Serinox wrote:Poor HerO better play but was not enough ok... Denies 5th base forever while getting his own. Snipes greater spire. Kills tons of drones with storm drops etc. He really couldn't have played any better.... He needs to transition to carrier/templar, plain and simple. He had the time, but he stayed on stalker/archon. Hero may have largely outplayed Violet, but his endgame strategy was lacking.
I think people have a distorted perception of how effective those constant warp-ins cost. Sure it's nice to see all the multi-tasking but when you're trading 1000s of resources to kill like a hatch, is it really outplaying your opponent...
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On December 01 2012 06:07 MuseMike wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 06:05 TheBB wrote:
I think you're all seriously exaggerating the amount by which Hero was ahead. No, not at all. 5 base toss to 4 base zerg. Violet wasted more than a thousand minerals on that base in hatcheries alone. Lost tons of roaches. Infestation pit sniped, Greater spire killed while morphing. HerO was ahead.
Even the casters were talking about it. Hero was completely outplaying Violet, but Violet's army could just a-move over him.
That shouldn't happen!!
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Goooooooooo Snute kill that nerd
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On December 01 2012 06:08 FlyingTurtle wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 06:04 Derrida wrote:
To be honest, I thought Hero played close to optimal for a protoss who did not resort to immortal-sentry. Kill the morphing in greater spire, pushing, constant prism harrass, two good vortex... Not sure how he lost. Any insights? Terrible engagements and weak army comp. That vortex on all the broods at Violet's 4th should have won Hero the game, but he threw the rest of his units in and pushed the archons out of the center. Plus, he didn't have enough AoE (not enough archons and storm) in the engagement at his forward expansion. To anyone who says storm sucks against Broodlords, watch Squirtle vs Mvp...if storms can kill 500-hp battlecruisers, they can kill 225-hp broodlords.
Feedback was what killed MvPs BCs, storms were just the finishing touch.
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On December 01 2012 06:08 FlyingTurtle wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 06:04 Derrida wrote:
To be honest, I thought Hero played close to optimal for a protoss who did not resort to immortal-sentry. Kill the morphing in greater spire, pushing, constant prism harrass, two good vortex... Not sure how he lost. Any insights? To anyone who says storm sucks against Broodlords, watch Squirtle vs Mvp...if storms can kill 500-hp battlecruisers, they can kill 225-hp broodlords.
Do you have a link? Or where is this game from? I'd assume its feedback and not storm killing the battlecruisers :p
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HuK has very good chance of making it to losers round 8 :D
because now he face ryung, then yoda, then winner of taeja sniper(taeja, baad tvp) and then HerO(baad PvP) :D
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I wish this game would be more exciting than mass infestor bl every game.
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On December 01 2012 06:05 TheBB wrote:
I think you're all seriously exaggerating the amount by which Hero was ahead.
5 base to four. Sniped the initial greater spire. Killed 30+ drones. Sniped infestation pit. Multiple decent(Granted not the best) Vortexes. You can't really get much more ahead without flat out killing your opponent....
The fact that Protoss can do all that, and still has to rely on a 100% perfect engagement with 2+ perfect vortex's to win just seems kind of silly to me. I mean besides getting violet to clump up every single BL, what more could Hero actually do?
User was warned for this post
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On December 01 2012 06:07 Undead1993 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 06:04 Derrida wrote:
To be honest, I thought Hero played close to optimal for a protoss who did not resort to immortal-sentry. Kill the morphing in greater spire, pushing, constant prism harrass, two good vortex... Not sure how he lost. Any insights? The last two vortexes were awful, did you even watch the game. this wasl ike the worst engagement ever sorry i love hero but this was simply a thrown game with this engagement.
I think he ment the 2 absolutley great ones in the first late game engagement. He made 2 perfect vortexes and came out even.
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Now, even if Taeja wins this match and the next, he has to face Hero. QQ
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On December 01 2012 06:08 FlyingTurtle wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 06:04 Derrida wrote:
To be honest, I thought Hero played close to optimal for a protoss who did not resort to immortal-sentry. Kill the morphing in greater spire, pushing, constant prism harrass, two good vortex... Not sure how he lost. Any insights? Terrible engagements and weak army comp. That vortex on all the broods at Violet's 4th should have won Hero the game, but he threw the rest of his units in and pushed the archons out of the center. Plus, he didn't have enough AoE (not enough archons and storm) in the engagement at his forward expansion. To anyone who says storm sucks against Broodlords, watch Squirtle vs Mvp...if storms can kill 500-hp battlecruisers, they can kill 225-hp broodlords.
He did have like 6 archons on that toiled, and 2 outside. I don't know what you are speaking about. Problem was getting the colossi inside, and the infested terrans countering the good vortex. PvZ lategame is so retarded it hurts, not because of balance, but how it's played.
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On December 01 2012 06:09 Cricketer12 wrote:
HuK has very good chance of making it to losers round 8 :D
because now he face ryung, then yoda, then winner of taeja sniper(taeja, baad tvp) and then HerO(baad PvP) :D
Sniper will eat Huk.
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