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ZerglingTwins
Profile Joined October 2012
United States850 Posts
November 30 2012 17:43 GMT
#1021
Koreans look even worse than last year.
Searching for my twin ling brother.
Clbull
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1439 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 13:09:49
November 30 2012 17:44 GMT
#1022
Considering his recent results and his attempts over the last eighteen months to reform his image, can we please start taking CombatEX with a pinch of seriousness now? This guy made it out of the group stage of WCG 2012 as an underdog, beating Adelscott, fraer, KiLLeR and JimRising. He was also on the verge of taking a game off the BWC world champion EDIT: My bad, I got the 2 - 0 point wrong. but dropped the ball, lost 1 - 2 and graciously shook his opponent's hand in defeat.

CombatEX already has better tournament results now than a lot of professional players. Call WCG in its modern day a "joke tournament" as much as you like, it's going to look pretty good if you hit the quarterfinals and lost narrowly in a close series to the greatest Protoss in the world.

This was also two to three months after returning from a hiatus.
On November 30 2012 19:42 Lorch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2012 19:40 ETisME wrote:
On November 30 2012 19:35 Lorch wrote:
Oh now I get whats wrong with our community. Not that not many casuals are playing, or shitty ui or menus or lack of any features.
It's the fact that a little bming gm cheater playing one of the best players in the world is more entertaining than watching 2 extremely good players go add it, I see, don't know whats wrong with you people but thats really sad. I say if WCG has any honor left they should just ban people like combatex...

did he cheat in the series? no
was his game entertaining? yes
Almost an upset? yes
Did he bm? No, technically. unless you think typing in game is BM.

Standard game doesn't always produce the interesting game and that is what's wrong with SC2 right now.
I would prefer to watch that series 1 time than PvZ 10 times


I'm not talking about this game, somebody who has cheated in the past shouldn't even be allowed to try to qualify. Combatex got enough "2nd" chances from this community, in fact he has enough to probably give ever member of tl one, WCG, or any tournament organizer for that matter, should not allow someone like that to even play in their tournaments. And thats not even taking to account how much of a cheating sack of shit he was in star 1...

The fact that there are people within this community even defending someone like that is just fucking sad. If our community would have been in charge of savior's punishment he would probably be winning gsls atm...

Sorry if I'm in any way derailing the thread's topic but I want to address these points.

First, given numerous second chances by whom and in what context? To my knowledge TL only permanently banned him once. I gathered this because I did a search on Google for this simple query:

      site:teamliquid.net "Combat-EX was just banned"

This came up with two results. The first was the only ban I could find which was one during 2010 where he was permabanned over spamming iNcontroL on stream. Feel free to corrrect me if I was wrong but did CombatEX ever get unbanned on TL? The second result I found on Google was from The Automated Ban List, a discussion thread about the hilarity of the ban list.

CombatEX also tried to make a second account called "CombatEX" to try and bypass the ban which was nuked upon its creation by a banling, saying he wasn't welcome on the site. Unless I am wrong, are Combat-EX and CombatEX his only TL accounts?

And what about the claim Kennigit made that CombatEX faked illness to solicit donations? I found no concrete evidence of this having occured and this is something that CombatEX has vehemently denied ever happening. I mean we all know he used to stream cheat, he did wintrade on iCCup in 2009 and that he was at one point SERIOUSLY BM, I mean beyond IdrA level.

The other things about what Kennigit said particularly about his behaviour I agree with. I've seen videos with him talking crap about Hot_Bid, but that was mainly over the fact that he remained banned. I don't think he had legitimate hatred for TL's admins. Plus his stream cheating habits were to my knowledge kept out of tournaments. He said recently in a SCReddit AMA that he never stream cheated in tournaments and believed in fair play. In fact, when the Collegiate Starleague permabanned him for excessive BM, they also cleared him of any stream cheating accusations simply because there wasn't really evidence.

CombatEX also claimed to have only made two serious attempts to apologise for his actions on TL which also contradicts what Kennigit said about his apology video of around a year ago being the same as all his others.

Forgive me for being naive about this if it turns out he was an even more gigantic asshole than I made him out to be, I wasn't around in the Brood War days and even now I feel a bit of skepticism considering we've forgiven figures in our community before (such as MioWeRRa a.k.a. Dragon, Spades, DIMAGA and TT1) for worse things.

Second, let's say we follow Lorch's advice and blacklist anybody who has ever cheated in the past. Wouldn't that be a bit extreme? Wouldn't that be giving a massive "fuck you" to people who legitimately try to turn their act around and bury the hatchet of their past actions?

Plus, this is forgetting a very big point. It's what Day[9] said in one of his dailies. There's a saying that every five years someone becomes a completely different person. Plus CombatEX was much younger back then, only last month he stopped being a teenager and turned 20.

We forgave DIMAGA for abusing the ladder to try and qualify fot TSL2, we forgave TT1 for map hacking, we forgave Spades for map hacking too, we as a community didn't even punish or make anathema the antics of MioWeRRa a.k.a. Dragon. Three of the four mentioned above turned out to be really legit players while Spades turned out to be an asshole.
ZerglingTwins
Profile Joined October 2012
United States850 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-30 18:14:43
November 30 2012 17:53 GMT
#1023
On December 01 2012 02:44 Clbull wrote:
Considering his recent results and his attempts over the last eighteen months to reform his image, can we please start taking CombatEX with a pinch of seriousness now? This guy made it out of the group stage of WCG 2012 as an underdog, beating Adelscott, fraer, KiLLeR and JimRising. He was also on the verge of 2-0ing the Battle.net world champion but dropped the ball, lost 1 - 2 and graciously shook his opponent's hand in defeat.

CombatEX already has better tournament results now than a lot of professional players. Call WCG in its modern day a "joke tournament" as much as you like, it's going to look pretty good if you hit the quarterfinals and lost narrowly in a close series to the greatest Protoss in the world.

This was also two to three months after returning from a hiatus.
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2012 19:42 Lorch wrote:
On November 30 2012 19:40 ETisME wrote:
On November 30 2012 19:35 Lorch wrote:
Oh now I get whats wrong with our community. Not that not many casuals are playing, or shitty ui or menus or lack of any features.
It's the fact that a little bming gm cheater playing one of the best players in the world is more entertaining than watching 2 extremely good players go add it, I see, don't know whats wrong with you people but thats really sad. I say if WCG has any honor left they should just ban people like combatex...

did he cheat in the series? no
was his game entertaining? yes
Almost an upset? yes
Did he bm? No, technically. unless you think typing in game is BM.

Standard game doesn't always produce the interesting game and that is what's wrong with SC2 right now.
I would prefer to watch that series 1 time than PvZ 10 times


I'm not talking about this game, somebody who has cheated in the past shouldn't even be allowed to try to qualify. Combatex got enough "2nd" chances from this community, in fact he has enough to probably give ever member of tl one, WCG, or any tournament organizer for that matter, should not allow someone like that to even play in their tournaments. And thats not even taking to account how much of a cheating sack of shit he was in star 1...

The fact that there are people within this community even defending someone like that is just fucking sad. If our community would have been in charge of savior's punishment he would probably be winning gsls atm...

Sorry if I'm in any way derailing the thread's topic but I want to address these points.

First, given numerous second chances by whom and in what context? To my knowledge TL only permanently banned him once. I gathered this because I did a search on Google for this simple query:

      site:teamliquid.net "Combat-EX was just banned"

This came up with two results. The first was the only ban I could find which was one during 2010 where he was permabanned over spamming iNcontroL on stream. Feel free to corrrect me if I was wrong but did CombatEX also The second result I found on Google was from The Automated Ban List, a discussion thread about the hilarity of the ban list.

CombatEX also tried to make a second account called "CombatEX" to try and bypass the ban which was nuked upon its creation by a banling, saying he wasn't welcome on the site. Unless I am wrong, are Combat-EX and CombatEX his only TL accounts?

And what about the claim Kennigit made that CombatEX faked illness to solicit donations? I found no concrete evidence of this having occured and this is something that CombatEX has vehemently denied ever happening. I mean we all know he used to stream cheat, he did wintrade on iCCup in 2009 and that he was at one point SERIOUSLY BM, I mean beyond IdrA level.

CombatEX also claimed to have only made two serious attempts to apologise for his actions on TL which also contradicts what Kennigit said about his apology video of around a year ago being the same as all his others.

Forgive me for being naive about this if it turns out he was an even more gigantic asshole than I made him out to be, I wasn't around in the Brood War days and even now I feel a bit of skepticism considering we've forgiven figures in our community before (such as MioWeRRa a.k.a. Dragon, Spades, DIMAGA and TT1) for worse things.

Second, let's say we follow Lorch's advice and blacklist anybody who has ever cheated in the past. Wouldn't that be a bit extreme? Wouldn't that be giving a massive "fuck you" to people who legitimately try to turn their act around and bury the hatchet of their past actions?

Plus, this is forgetting a very big point. It's what Day[9] said in one of his dailies. There's a saying that every five years someone becomes a completely different person. Plus CombatEX was much younger back then, only last month he stopped being a teenager and turned 20.



Back then, TL is full of elites, not enough noobs, and not enough challenging different voice for Combat-EX. With B or B+ on iccup which was very good, Combat-EX was considered noob on TL.


Searching for my twin ling brother.
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
November 30 2012 17:56 GMT
#1024
--- Nuked ---
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
November 30 2012 17:59 GMT
#1025
This means either Lowely, Adelscott or MacSed might get the Blizz Cup WCG seed if they get 2nd.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
Clbull
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1439 Posts
November 30 2012 18:04 GMT
#1026
On December 01 2012 02:59 Fionn wrote:
This means either Lowely, Adelscott or MacSed might get the Blizz Cup WCG seed if they get 2nd.

Considering the World Championship Series, are Blizzard and GOM even going to do a 2012 Blizzard Cup?
Paragleiber
Profile Joined June 2009
413 Posts
November 30 2012 18:05 GMT
#1027
On December 01 2012 02:59 Fionn wrote:
This means either Lowely, Adelscott or MacSed might get the Blizz Cup WCG seed if they get 2nd.


Macsed will only get it if he gets 1st, since due to the bracket if he gets 2nd it will not be behind Parting.

Also they might decide to give Parting the WCG seed and take Creator as the runner up of WCS.
http://www.twitter.com/Paragleiber
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-30 18:06:15
November 30 2012 18:05 GMT
#1028
On December 01 2012 02:59 Fionn wrote:
This means either Lowely, Adelscott or MacSed might get the Blizz Cup WCG seed if they get 2nd.

PartinG will be seeded into different parts of the bracket and play himself in the finals of Blizzard Cup.

On December 01 2012 03:04 Clbull wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 02:59 Fionn wrote:
This means either Lowely, Adelscott or MacSed might get the Blizz Cup WCG seed if they get 2nd.

Considering the World Championship Series, are Blizzard and GOM even going to do a 2012 Blizzard Cup?

They announced it yesterday.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
November 30 2012 18:09 GMT
#1029
On December 01 2012 02:59 Fionn wrote:
This means either Lowely, Adelscott or MacSed might get the Blizz Cup WCG seed if they get 2nd.

lowely to win WCG
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vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
November 30 2012 18:31 GMT
#1030
On December 01 2012 03:05 StarVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 02:59 Fionn wrote:
This means either Lowely, Adelscott or MacSed might get the Blizz Cup WCG seed if they get 2nd.

PartinG will be seeded into different parts of the bracket and play himself in the finals of Blizzard Cup.

Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 03:04 Clbull wrote:
On December 01 2012 02:59 Fionn wrote:
This means either Lowely, Adelscott or MacSed might get the Blizz Cup WCG seed if they get 2nd.

Considering the World Championship Series, are Blizzard and GOM even going to do a 2012 Blizzard Cup?

They announced it yesterday.


Did you actually following the Blizzard Cup last year? Please stop with your ignorant comments.
Mlex
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada324 Posts
November 30 2012 18:38 GMT
#1031
On November 30 2012 06:29 ChuCky.Ca wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2012 06:22 Mlex wrote:
Delicious TL tears. Can't wait until Combat finishes first in his group.

Delicious Delusions. Can wait unti combat get rolled and you realize your best friend of 14 years has been make believe

=)
"Good feeling of oneness with cup rubber." | MVP: the Royal Roadblock, the King.
BathTubNZ
Profile Joined December 2011
New Zealand2556 Posts
November 30 2012 18:59 GMT
#1032
On December 01 2012 03:31 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 03:05 StarVe wrote:
On December 01 2012 02:59 Fionn wrote:
This means either Lowely, Adelscott or MacSed might get the Blizz Cup WCG seed if they get 2nd.

PartinG will be seeded into different parts of the bracket and play himself in the finals of Blizzard Cup.

On December 01 2012 03:04 Clbull wrote:
On December 01 2012 02:59 Fionn wrote:
This means either Lowely, Adelscott or MacSed might get the Blizz Cup WCG seed if they get 2nd.

Considering the World Championship Series, are Blizzard and GOM even going to do a 2012 Blizzard Cup?

They announced it yesterday.


Did you actually following the Blizzard Cup last year? Please stop with your ignorant comments.


What is your problem? It was announced. Different name this year, but it's happening.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
November 30 2012 19:01 GMT
#1033
On December 01 2012 03:31 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 03:05 StarVe wrote:
On December 01 2012 02:59 Fionn wrote:
This means either Lowely, Adelscott or MacSed might get the Blizz Cup WCG seed if they get 2nd.

PartinG will be seeded into different parts of the bracket and play himself in the finals of Blizzard Cup.

On December 01 2012 03:04 Clbull wrote:
On December 01 2012 02:59 Fionn wrote:
This means either Lowely, Adelscott or MacSed might get the Blizz Cup WCG seed if they get 2nd.

Considering the World Championship Series, are Blizzard and GOM even going to do a 2012 Blizzard Cup?

They announced it yesterday.


Did you actually following the Blizzard Cup last year? Please stop with your ignorant comments.

At once, sir.
ZZangDreamjOy
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada959 Posts
November 30 2012 19:13 GMT
#1034
On December 01 2012 02:53 ZerglingTwins wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 02:44 Clbull wrote:
Considering his recent results and his attempts over the last eighteen months to reform his image, can we please start taking CombatEX with a pinch of seriousness now? This guy made it out of the group stage of WCG 2012 as an underdog, beating Adelscott, fraer, KiLLeR and JimRising. He was also on the verge of 2-0ing the Battle.net world champion but dropped the ball, lost 1 - 2 and graciously shook his opponent's hand in defeat.

CombatEX already has better tournament results now than a lot of professional players. Call WCG in its modern day a "joke tournament" as much as you like, it's going to look pretty good if you hit the quarterfinals and lost narrowly in a close series to the greatest Protoss in the world.

This was also two to three months after returning from a hiatus.
On November 30 2012 19:42 Lorch wrote:
On November 30 2012 19:40 ETisME wrote:
On November 30 2012 19:35 Lorch wrote:
Oh now I get whats wrong with our community. Not that not many casuals are playing, or shitty ui or menus or lack of any features.
It's the fact that a little bming gm cheater playing one of the best players in the world is more entertaining than watching 2 extremely good players go add it, I see, don't know whats wrong with you people but thats really sad. I say if WCG has any honor left they should just ban people like combatex...

did he cheat in the series? no
was his game entertaining? yes
Almost an upset? yes
Did he bm? No, technically. unless you think typing in game is BM.

Standard game doesn't always produce the interesting game and that is what's wrong with SC2 right now.
I would prefer to watch that series 1 time than PvZ 10 times


I'm not talking about this game, somebody who has cheated in the past shouldn't even be allowed to try to qualify. Combatex got enough "2nd" chances from this community, in fact he has enough to probably give ever member of tl one, WCG, or any tournament organizer for that matter, should not allow someone like that to even play in their tournaments. And thats not even taking to account how much of a cheating sack of shit he was in star 1...

The fact that there are people within this community even defending someone like that is just fucking sad. If our community would have been in charge of savior's punishment he would probably be winning gsls atm...

Sorry if I'm in any way derailing the thread's topic but I want to address these points.

First, given numerous second chances by whom and in what context? To my knowledge TL only permanently banned him once. I gathered this because I did a search on Google for this simple query:

      site:teamliquid.net "Combat-EX was just banned"

This came up with two results. The first was the only ban I could find which was one during 2010 where he was permabanned over spamming iNcontroL on stream. Feel free to corrrect me if I was wrong but did CombatEX also The second result I found on Google was from The Automated Ban List, a discussion thread about the hilarity of the ban list.

CombatEX also tried to make a second account called "CombatEX" to try and bypass the ban which was nuked upon its creation by a banling, saying he wasn't welcome on the site. Unless I am wrong, are Combat-EX and CombatEX his only TL accounts?

And what about the claim Kennigit made that CombatEX faked illness to solicit donations? I found no concrete evidence of this having occured and this is something that CombatEX has vehemently denied ever happening. I mean we all know he used to stream cheat, he did wintrade on iCCup in 2009 and that he was at one point SERIOUSLY BM, I mean beyond IdrA level.

CombatEX also claimed to have only made two serious attempts to apologise for his actions on TL which also contradicts what Kennigit said about his apology video of around a year ago being the same as all his others.

Forgive me for being naive about this if it turns out he was an even more gigantic asshole than I made him out to be, I wasn't around in the Brood War days and even now I feel a bit of skepticism considering we've forgiven figures in our community before (such as MioWeRRa a.k.a. Dragon, Spades, DIMAGA and TT1) for worse things.

Second, let's say we follow Lorch's advice and blacklist anybody who has ever cheated in the past. Wouldn't that be a bit extreme? Wouldn't that be giving a massive "fuck you" to people who legitimately try to turn their act around and bury the hatchet of their past actions?

Plus, this is forgetting a very big point. It's what Day[9] said in one of his dailies. There's a saying that every five years someone becomes a completely different person. Plus CombatEX was much younger back then, only last month he stopped being a teenager and turned 20.



Back then, TL is full of elites, not enough noobs, and not enough challenging different voice for Combat-EX. With B or B+ on iccup which was very good, Combat-EX was considered noob on TL.




You do know that he's only ever legitimately reached C rank on iCCup. When he'd get raped against anyone higher then that, and trust me, it happened a lot, he'd offer you free wins from his other account in return for you leaving that game. He did it to me multiple times in the ladder. Beyond that, it seems like the majority of people on this "FREE COMBAT-EX" bandwagon have next to no knowledge of what he was like, what he did in the past, and his general behaviour.
HitEmUp
Taefox
Profile Joined March 2010
1533 Posts
November 30 2012 19:14 GMT
#1035
On November 29 2012 19:23 RPR_Tempest wrote:
CombatEX is going to lose every single game. Hopefully this destroys his passion and he never plays SC2 again.

Sir, your argument is invalid
@taefoxy
Ettick
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States2434 Posts
November 30 2012 19:18 GMT
#1036
combatex took a game off parting?
WHAT THE HELL?
ZerglingTwins
Profile Joined October 2012
United States850 Posts
November 30 2012 19:23 GMT
#1037
On December 01 2012 04:13 ZZangDreamjOy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 02:53 ZerglingTwins wrote:
On December 01 2012 02:44 Clbull wrote:
Considering his recent results and his attempts over the last eighteen months to reform his image, can we please start taking CombatEX with a pinch of seriousness now? This guy made it out of the group stage of WCG 2012 as an underdog, beating Adelscott, fraer, KiLLeR and JimRising. He was also on the verge of 2-0ing the Battle.net world champion but dropped the ball, lost 1 - 2 and graciously shook his opponent's hand in defeat.

CombatEX already has better tournament results now than a lot of professional players. Call WCG in its modern day a "joke tournament" as much as you like, it's going to look pretty good if you hit the quarterfinals and lost narrowly in a close series to the greatest Protoss in the world.

This was also two to three months after returning from a hiatus.
On November 30 2012 19:42 Lorch wrote:
On November 30 2012 19:40 ETisME wrote:
On November 30 2012 19:35 Lorch wrote:
Oh now I get whats wrong with our community. Not that not many casuals are playing, or shitty ui or menus or lack of any features.
It's the fact that a little bming gm cheater playing one of the best players in the world is more entertaining than watching 2 extremely good players go add it, I see, don't know whats wrong with you people but thats really sad. I say if WCG has any honor left they should just ban people like combatex...

did he cheat in the series? no
was his game entertaining? yes
Almost an upset? yes
Did he bm? No, technically. unless you think typing in game is BM.

Standard game doesn't always produce the interesting game and that is what's wrong with SC2 right now.
I would prefer to watch that series 1 time than PvZ 10 times


I'm not talking about this game, somebody who has cheated in the past shouldn't even be allowed to try to qualify. Combatex got enough "2nd" chances from this community, in fact he has enough to probably give ever member of tl one, WCG, or any tournament organizer for that matter, should not allow someone like that to even play in their tournaments. And thats not even taking to account how much of a cheating sack of shit he was in star 1...

The fact that there are people within this community even defending someone like that is just fucking sad. If our community would have been in charge of savior's punishment he would probably be winning gsls atm...

Sorry if I'm in any way derailing the thread's topic but I want to address these points.

First, given numerous second chances by whom and in what context? To my knowledge TL only permanently banned him once. I gathered this because I did a search on Google for this simple query:

      site:teamliquid.net "Combat-EX was just banned"

This came up with two results. The first was the only ban I could find which was one during 2010 where he was permabanned over spamming iNcontroL on stream. Feel free to corrrect me if I was wrong but did CombatEX also The second result I found on Google was from The Automated Ban List, a discussion thread about the hilarity of the ban list.

CombatEX also tried to make a second account called "CombatEX" to try and bypass the ban which was nuked upon its creation by a banling, saying he wasn't welcome on the site. Unless I am wrong, are Combat-EX and CombatEX his only TL accounts?

And what about the claim Kennigit made that CombatEX faked illness to solicit donations? I found no concrete evidence of this having occured and this is something that CombatEX has vehemently denied ever happening. I mean we all know he used to stream cheat, he did wintrade on iCCup in 2009 and that he was at one point SERIOUSLY BM, I mean beyond IdrA level.

CombatEX also claimed to have only made two serious attempts to apologise for his actions on TL which also contradicts what Kennigit said about his apology video of around a year ago being the same as all his others.

Forgive me for being naive about this if it turns out he was an even more gigantic asshole than I made him out to be, I wasn't around in the Brood War days and even now I feel a bit of skepticism considering we've forgiven figures in our community before (such as MioWeRRa a.k.a. Dragon, Spades, DIMAGA and TT1) for worse things.

Second, let's say we follow Lorch's advice and blacklist anybody who has ever cheated in the past. Wouldn't that be a bit extreme? Wouldn't that be giving a massive "fuck you" to people who legitimately try to turn their act around and bury the hatchet of their past actions?

Plus, this is forgetting a very big point. It's what Day[9] said in one of his dailies. There's a saying that every five years someone becomes a completely different person. Plus CombatEX was much younger back then, only last month he stopped being a teenager and turned 20.



Back then, TL is full of elites, not enough noobs, and not enough challenging different voice for Combat-EX. With B or B+ on iccup which was very good, Combat-EX was considered noob on TL.




You do know that he's only ever legitimately reached C rank on iCCup. When he'd get raped against anyone higher then that, and trust me, it happened a lot, he'd offer you free wins from his other account in return for you leaving that game. He did it to me multiple times in the ladder. Beyond that, it seems like the majority of people on this "FREE COMBAT-EX" bandwagon have next to no knowledge of what he was like, what he did in the past, and his general behaviour.


I know plenty, I've been here for 6 or 7 years already. All he did wrong is in practice, and ladder. Lots of pros cheated in decent tournaments.

Remember 2009 Pokerstrategy TSL, about 20 or so top players got disqualified for cheating on ladder to qualify, off the top of my head, Dimaga, F91. That's out there in the open, definitely there is a lot more undiscovered. That's far worse than cheating in practice.



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MinKi
Profile Joined September 2010
Korea (South)151 Posts
November 30 2012 19:28 GMT
#1038
On November 29 2012 21:12 Zinnwaldite wrote:
CombatEX? Is that some sort of joke?

You be eating your words now lol.
"I'm a starcraft jock. I'm not a nerd" - Artosis
ZZangDreamjOy
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada959 Posts
November 30 2012 19:34 GMT
#1039
On December 01 2012 04:23 ZerglingTwins wrote:
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On December 01 2012 04:13 ZZangDreamjOy wrote:
On December 01 2012 02:53 ZerglingTwins wrote:
On December 01 2012 02:44 Clbull wrote:
Considering his recent results and his attempts over the last eighteen months to reform his image, can we please start taking CombatEX with a pinch of seriousness now? This guy made it out of the group stage of WCG 2012 as an underdog, beating Adelscott, fraer, KiLLeR and JimRising. He was also on the verge of 2-0ing the Battle.net world champion but dropped the ball, lost 1 - 2 and graciously shook his opponent's hand in defeat.

CombatEX already has better tournament results now than a lot of professional players. Call WCG in its modern day a "joke tournament" as much as you like, it's going to look pretty good if you hit the quarterfinals and lost narrowly in a close series to the greatest Protoss in the world.

This was also two to three months after returning from a hiatus.
On November 30 2012 19:42 Lorch wrote:
On November 30 2012 19:40 ETisME wrote:
On November 30 2012 19:35 Lorch wrote:
Oh now I get whats wrong with our community. Not that not many casuals are playing, or shitty ui or menus or lack of any features.
It's the fact that a little bming gm cheater playing one of the best players in the world is more entertaining than watching 2 extremely good players go add it, I see, don't know whats wrong with you people but thats really sad. I say if WCG has any honor left they should just ban people like combatex...

did he cheat in the series? no
was his game entertaining? yes
Almost an upset? yes
Did he bm? No, technically. unless you think typing in game is BM.

Standard game doesn't always produce the interesting game and that is what's wrong with SC2 right now.
I would prefer to watch that series 1 time than PvZ 10 times


I'm not talking about this game, somebody who has cheated in the past shouldn't even be allowed to try to qualify. Combatex got enough "2nd" chances from this community, in fact he has enough to probably give ever member of tl one, WCG, or any tournament organizer for that matter, should not allow someone like that to even play in their tournaments. And thats not even taking to account how much of a cheating sack of shit he was in star 1...

The fact that there are people within this community even defending someone like that is just fucking sad. If our community would have been in charge of savior's punishment he would probably be winning gsls atm...

Sorry if I'm in any way derailing the thread's topic but I want to address these points.

First, given numerous second chances by whom and in what context? To my knowledge TL only permanently banned him once. I gathered this because I did a search on Google for this simple query:

      site:teamliquid.net "Combat-EX was just banned"

This came up with two results. The first was the only ban I could find which was one during 2010 where he was permabanned over spamming iNcontroL on stream. Feel free to corrrect me if I was wrong but did CombatEX also The second result I found on Google was from The Automated Ban List, a discussion thread about the hilarity of the ban list.

CombatEX also tried to make a second account called "CombatEX" to try and bypass the ban which was nuked upon its creation by a banling, saying he wasn't welcome on the site. Unless I am wrong, are Combat-EX and CombatEX his only TL accounts?

And what about the claim Kennigit made that CombatEX faked illness to solicit donations? I found no concrete evidence of this having occured and this is something that CombatEX has vehemently denied ever happening. I mean we all know he used to stream cheat, he did wintrade on iCCup in 2009 and that he was at one point SERIOUSLY BM, I mean beyond IdrA level.

CombatEX also claimed to have only made two serious attempts to apologise for his actions on TL which also contradicts what Kennigit said about his apology video of around a year ago being the same as all his others.

Forgive me for being naive about this if it turns out he was an even more gigantic asshole than I made him out to be, I wasn't around in the Brood War days and even now I feel a bit of skepticism considering we've forgiven figures in our community before (such as MioWeRRa a.k.a. Dragon, Spades, DIMAGA and TT1) for worse things.

Second, let's say we follow Lorch's advice and blacklist anybody who has ever cheated in the past. Wouldn't that be a bit extreme? Wouldn't that be giving a massive "fuck you" to people who legitimately try to turn their act around and bury the hatchet of their past actions?

Plus, this is forgetting a very big point. It's what Day[9] said in one of his dailies. There's a saying that every five years someone becomes a completely different person. Plus CombatEX was much younger back then, only last month he stopped being a teenager and turned 20.



Back then, TL is full of elites, not enough noobs, and not enough challenging different voice for Combat-EX. With B or B+ on iccup which was very good, Combat-EX was considered noob on TL.




You do know that he's only ever legitimately reached C rank on iCCup. When he'd get raped against anyone higher then that, and trust me, it happened a lot, he'd offer you free wins from his other account in return for you leaving that game. He did it to me multiple times in the ladder. Beyond that, it seems like the majority of people on this "FREE COMBAT-EX" bandwagon have next to no knowledge of what he was like, what he did in the past, and his general behaviour.


I know plenty, I've been here for 6 or 7 years already. All he did wrong is in practice, and ladder. Lots of pros cheated in decent tournaments.

Remember 2009 Pokerstrategy TSL, about 20 or so top players got disqualified for cheating on ladder to qualify, off the top of my head, Dimaga, F91. That's out there in the open, definitely there is a lot more undiscovered. That's far worse than cheating in practice.




He cheated in practice, has cheated last month IN A TOURNAMENT AGAINST NVYOONYJ, cheated on ladder, and lied to many people on his own youtube channel about his rank, while asking for donations so he can keep doing his terrible videos. Good job for not doing any research.
HitEmUp
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
November 30 2012 20:18 GMT
#1040
wow, CombatEx really impressed me.. 4-1 in a pretty potent group (for this WCG)
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
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