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teamliquid has always been the best community, but to hold a grudge this long, thats just childish. you can see how wasif has changed. yeah he may be a dick at times online, but who isnt? look at destiny.
great humility shown here
wasif fighting!
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CombatEX took a game off of PartinG? Was it with a Proxy gate, a cannon rush, 4 gate or some combination of those?
EDIT: And Lowely over MKP? What the Hell is going on? Hasn't Korea dominated WCG since forever? MacSed is pretty good guys, I think we might have a non Korean win WCG.
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On December 01 2012 04:34 ZZangDreamjOy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 04:23 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 01 2012 04:13 ZZangDreamjOy wrote:On December 01 2012 02:53 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 01 2012 02:44 Clbull wrote:Considering his recent results and his attempts over the last eighteen months to reform his image, can we please start taking CombatEX with a pinch of seriousness now? This guy made it out of the group stage of WCG 2012 as an underdog, beating Adelscott, fraer, KiLLeR and JimRising. He was also on the verge of 2-0ing the Battle.net world champion but dropped the ball, lost 1 - 2 and graciously shook his opponent's hand in defeat. CombatEX already has better tournament results now than a lot of professional players. Call WCG in its modern day a "joke tournament" as much as you like, it's going to look pretty good if you hit the quarterfinals and lost narrowly in a close series to the greatest Protoss in the world. This was also two to three months after returning from a hiatus. On November 30 2012 19:42 Lorch wrote:On November 30 2012 19:40 ETisME wrote:On November 30 2012 19:35 Lorch wrote:
Oh now I get whats wrong with our community. Not that not many casuals are playing, or shitty ui or menus or lack of any features.
It's the fact that a little bming gm cheater playing one of the best players in the world is more entertaining than watching 2 extremely good players go add it, I see, don't know whats wrong with you people but thats really sad. I say if WCG has any honor left they should just ban people like combatex... did he cheat in the series? no was his game entertaining? yes Almost an upset? yes Did he bm? No, technically. unless you think typing in game is BM. Standard game doesn't always produce the interesting game and that is what's wrong with SC2 right now. I would prefer to watch that series 1 time than PvZ 10 times I'm not talking about this game, somebody who has cheated in the past shouldn't even be allowed to try to qualify. Combatex got enough "2nd" chances from this community, in fact he has enough to probably give ever member of tl one, WCG, or any tournament organizer for that matter, should not allow someone like that to even play in their tournaments. And thats not even taking to account how much of a cheating sack of shit he was in star 1... The fact that there are people within this community even defending someone like that is just fucking sad. If our community would have been in charge of savior's punishment he would probably be winning gsls atm... Sorry if I'm in any way derailing the thread's topic but I want to address these points. First, given numerous second chances by whom and in what context? To my knowledge TL only permanently banned him once. I gathered this because I did a search on Google for this simple query: site:teamliquid.net "Combat-EX was just banned" This came up with two results. The first was the only ban I could find which was one during 2010 where he was permabanned over spamming iNcontroL on stream. Feel free to corrrect me if I was wrong but did CombatEX also The second result I found on Google was from The Automated Ban List, a discussion thread about the hilarity of the ban list. CombatEX also tried to make a second account called "CombatEX" to try and bypass the ban which was nuked upon its creation by a banling, saying he wasn't welcome on the site. Unless I am wrong, are Combat-EX and CombatEX his only TL accounts? And what about the claim Kennigit made that CombatEX faked illness to solicit donations? I found no concrete evidence of this having occured and this is something that CombatEX has vehemently denied ever happening. I mean we all know he used to stream cheat, he did wintrade on iCCup in 2009 and that he was at one point SERIOUSLY BM, I mean beyond IdrA level. CombatEX also claimed to have only made two serious attempts to apologise for his actions on TL which also contradicts what Kennigit said about his apology video of around a year ago being the same as all his others. Forgive me for being naive about this if it turns out he was an even more gigantic asshole than I made him out to be, I wasn't around in the Brood War days and even now I feel a bit of skepticism considering we've forgiven figures in our community before (such as MioWeRRa a.k.a. Dragon, Spades, DIMAGA and TT1) for worse things. Second, let's say we follow Lorch's advice and blacklist anybody who has ever cheated in the past. Wouldn't that be a bit extreme? Wouldn't that be giving a massive "fuck you" to people who legitimately try to turn their act around and bury the hatchet of their past actions? Plus, this is forgetting a very big point. It's what Day[9] said in one of his dailies. There's a saying that every five years someone becomes a completely different person. Plus CombatEX was much younger back then, only last month he stopped being a teenager and turned 20. Back then, TL is full of elites, not enough noobs, and not enough challenging different voice for Combat-EX. With B or B+ on iccup which was very good, Combat-EX was considered noob on TL. You do know that he's only ever legitimately reached C rank on iCCup. When he'd get raped against anyone higher then that, and trust me, it happened a lot, he'd offer you free wins from his other account in return for you leaving that game. He did it to me multiple times in the ladder. Beyond that, it seems like the majority of people on this "FREE COMBAT-EX" bandwagon have next to no knowledge of what he was like, what he did in the past, and his general behaviour. I know plenty, I've been here for 6 or 7 years already. All he did wrong is in practice, and ladder. Lots of pros cheated in decent tournaments. Remember 2009 Pokerstrategy TSL, about 20 or so top players got disqualified for cheating on ladder to qualify, off the top of my head, Dimaga, F91. That's out there in the open, definitely there is a lot more undiscovered. That's far worse than cheating in practice. He cheated in practice, has cheated last month IN A TOURNAMENT AGAINST NVYOONYJ, cheated on ladder, and lied to many people on his own youtube channel about his rank, while asking for donations so he can keep doing his terrible videos. Good job for not doing any research.
Please stop with the hyperbole. At least half of the crap you said about CombatEX has been complete horse-shit. I have seen nothing on his YouTube soliciting donations.
+ Show Spoiler +The VODs in question from CombatEX's channel:
Here (in the Spoiler tag) are the only two videos he posted on his YouTube after announcing he was going to come back for five months. Can anybody say to me when he solicits donations? Because I must be missing something here. These are analytical FPVODs, which he has now done 29 of since he's made his more legitimate return to StarCraft in around September/October 2011.
I am unsure about who to believe on the YoonYJ story. I question whether CombatEX would be stupid enough to try and blag his way to an attempted 2 - 0 "win" over YoonYJ when the rules of the cup he was in explicitly states that replays must be submitted as proof. And after he would have fought through the bracket before reaching YoonYJ in the finals.
Plus is there any indication it's the real CombatEX who competed? I think there may be a few players who might smurf as CombatEX and he could have been mixed up as the real one. Again, I'd like to see more proof before making a judgement.
Also, when has he cheated in practice in the past year. This isn't early 2011 anymore!
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On December 01 2012 05:27 Havik_ wrote:
CombatEX took a game off of PartinG? Was it with a Proxy gate, a cannon rush, 4 gate or some combination of those?
EDIT: And Lowely over MKP? What the Hell is going on? Hasn't Korea dominated WCG since forever? MacSed is pretty good guys, I think we might have a non Korean win WCG.
There was this one time somebody took a game off Jaedong (where the skill difference between koreans/foreigners was 10x what sc2 is).
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On December 01 2012 05:35 laLAlA[uC] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 05:27 Havik_ wrote:
CombatEX took a game off of PartinG? Was it with a Proxy gate, a cannon rush, 4 gate or some combination of those?
EDIT: And Lowely over MKP? What the Hell is going on? Hasn't Korea dominated WCG since forever? MacSed is pretty good guys, I think we might have a non Korean win WCG. There was this one time somebody took a game off Jaedong (where the skill difference between koreans/foreigners was 10x what sc2 is).
Advokate, in a straight up game too. Was crazy.
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On November 30 2012 19:44 MuseMike wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 19:42 Lorch wrote:On November 30 2012 19:40 ETisME wrote:On November 30 2012 19:35 Lorch wrote:
Oh now I get whats wrong with our community. Not that not many casuals are playing, or shitty ui or menus or lack of any features.
It's the fact that a little bming gm cheater playing one of the best players in the world is more entertaining than watching 2 extremely good players go add it, I see, don't know whats wrong with you people but thats really sad. I say if WCG has any honor left they should just ban people like combatex... did he cheat in the series? no was his game entertaining? yes Almost an upset? yes Did he bm? No, technically. unless you think typing in game is BM. Standard game doesn't always produce the interesting game and that is what's wrong with SC2 right now. I would prefer to watch that series 1 time than PvZ 10 times I'm not talking about this game, somebody who has cheated in the past shouldn't even be allowed to try to qualify. Combatex got enough "2nd" chances from this community, in fact he has enough to probably give ever member of tl one, WCG, or any tournament organizer for that matter, should not allow someone like that to even play in their tournaments. And thats not even taking to account how much of a cheating sack of shit he was in star 1... Cheating in ladder matches? People like TT1, Dimaga, etc all cheated in ACTUAL tournaments in BW. Don't get on your high horse for stream cheating when other players who have done far worse have been forgiven. Both are wrong, one is worse than the other.
i never cheated in a bw tournament cus we didnt have any, the only "tourney" was wgtcl. a prize-less clan league : )
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On December 01 2012 05:34 Clbull wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 04:34 ZZangDreamjOy wrote:On December 01 2012 04:23 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 01 2012 04:13 ZZangDreamjOy wrote:On December 01 2012 02:53 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 01 2012 02:44 Clbull wrote:Considering his recent results and his attempts over the last eighteen months to reform his image, can we please start taking CombatEX with a pinch of seriousness now? This guy made it out of the group stage of WCG 2012 as an underdog, beating Adelscott, fraer, KiLLeR and JimRising. He was also on the verge of 2-0ing the Battle.net world champion but dropped the ball, lost 1 - 2 and graciously shook his opponent's hand in defeat. CombatEX already has better tournament results now than a lot of professional players. Call WCG in its modern day a "joke tournament" as much as you like, it's going to look pretty good if you hit the quarterfinals and lost narrowly in a close series to the greatest Protoss in the world. This was also two to three months after returning from a hiatus. On November 30 2012 19:42 Lorch wrote:On November 30 2012 19:40 ETisME wrote:On November 30 2012 19:35 Lorch wrote:
Oh now I get whats wrong with our community. Not that not many casuals are playing, or shitty ui or menus or lack of any features.
It's the fact that a little bming gm cheater playing one of the best players in the world is more entertaining than watching 2 extremely good players go add it, I see, don't know whats wrong with you people but thats really sad. I say if WCG has any honor left they should just ban people like combatex... did he cheat in the series? no was his game entertaining? yes Almost an upset? yes Did he bm? No, technically. unless you think typing in game is BM. Standard game doesn't always produce the interesting game and that is what's wrong with SC2 right now. I would prefer to watch that series 1 time than PvZ 10 times I'm not talking about this game, somebody who has cheated in the past shouldn't even be allowed to try to qualify. Combatex got enough "2nd" chances from this community, in fact he has enough to probably give ever member of tl one, WCG, or any tournament organizer for that matter, should not allow someone like that to even play in their tournaments. And thats not even taking to account how much of a cheating sack of shit he was in star 1... The fact that there are people within this community even defending someone like that is just fucking sad. If our community would have been in charge of savior's punishment he would probably be winning gsls atm... Sorry if I'm in any way derailing the thread's topic but I want to address these points. First, given numerous second chances by whom and in what context? To my knowledge TL only permanently banned him once. I gathered this because I did a search on Google for this simple query: site:teamliquid.net "Combat-EX was just banned" This came up with two results. The first was the only ban I could find which was one during 2010 where he was permabanned over spamming iNcontroL on stream. Feel free to corrrect me if I was wrong but did CombatEX also The second result I found on Google was from The Automated Ban List, a discussion thread about the hilarity of the ban list. CombatEX also tried to make a second account called "CombatEX" to try and bypass the ban which was nuked upon its creation by a banling, saying he wasn't welcome on the site. Unless I am wrong, are Combat-EX and CombatEX his only TL accounts? And what about the claim Kennigit made that CombatEX faked illness to solicit donations? I found no concrete evidence of this having occured and this is something that CombatEX has vehemently denied ever happening. I mean we all know he used to stream cheat, he did wintrade on iCCup in 2009 and that he was at one point SERIOUSLY BM, I mean beyond IdrA level. CombatEX also claimed to have only made two serious attempts to apologise for his actions on TL which also contradicts what Kennigit said about his apology video of around a year ago being the same as all his others. Forgive me for being naive about this if it turns out he was an even more gigantic asshole than I made him out to be, I wasn't around in the Brood War days and even now I feel a bit of skepticism considering we've forgiven figures in our community before (such as MioWeRRa a.k.a. Dragon, Spades, DIMAGA and TT1) for worse things. Second, let's say we follow Lorch's advice and blacklist anybody who has ever cheated in the past. Wouldn't that be a bit extreme? Wouldn't that be giving a massive "fuck you" to people who legitimately try to turn their act around and bury the hatchet of their past actions? Plus, this is forgetting a very big point. It's what Day[9] said in one of his dailies. There's a saying that every five years someone becomes a completely different person. Plus CombatEX was much younger back then, only last month he stopped being a teenager and turned 20. Back then, TL is full of elites, not enough noobs, and not enough challenging different voice for Combat-EX. With B or B+ on iccup which was very good, Combat-EX was considered noob on TL. You do know that he's only ever legitimately reached C rank on iCCup. When he'd get raped against anyone higher then that, and trust me, it happened a lot, he'd offer you free wins from his other account in return for you leaving that game. He did it to me multiple times in the ladder. Beyond that, it seems like the majority of people on this "FREE COMBAT-EX" bandwagon have next to no knowledge of what he was like, what he did in the past, and his general behaviour. I know plenty, I've been here for 6 or 7 years already. All he did wrong is in practice, and ladder. Lots of pros cheated in decent tournaments. Remember 2009 Pokerstrategy TSL, about 20 or so top players got disqualified for cheating on ladder to qualify, off the top of my head, Dimaga, F91. That's out there in the open, definitely there is a lot more undiscovered. That's far worse than cheating in practice. He cheated in practice, has cheated last month IN A TOURNAMENT AGAINST NVYOONYJ, cheated on ladder, and lied to many people on his own youtube channel about his rank, while asking for donations so he can keep doing his terrible videos. Good job for not doing any research. Please stop with the hyperbole. At least half of the crap you said about CombatEX has been complete horse-shit. I have seen nothing on his YouTube soliciting donations. + Show Spoiler +Here (in the Spoiler tag) are the only two videos he posted on his YouTube after announcing he was going to come back for five months. Can anybody say to me when he solicits donations? Because I must be missing something here. These are analytical FPVODs, which he has now done 29 of since he's made his more legitimate return to StarCraft in around September/October 2011. I am unsure about who to believe on the YoonYJ story. I question whether CombatEX would be stupid enough to try and blag his way to an attempted 2 - 0 "win" over YoonYJ when the rules of the cup he was in explicitly states that replays must be submitted as proof. And after he would have fought through the bracket before reaching YoonYJ in the finals. Plus is there any indication it's the real CombatEX who competed? I think there may be a few players who might smurf as CombatEX and he could have been mixed up as the real one. Again, I'd like to see more proof before making a judgement. Also, when has he cheated in practice in the past year. This isn't early 2011 anymore!
Uh.... I'm 100% sure that in one of his damn apology videos back in Brood War days, he was soliciting donations. The fact that he still feels the need to stream snipe is saddening as well.
Look, I'm all for him getting a second (third?) chance, but I think people need to realize that not much has changed, and that the shit he did in the past was at least comparable to, if not worse than, the shit Dimaga, Yosh, and others have done.
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holy shit adel might win wcg
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How in the heck CombatEx goes 4-1 on his group? ... I feel sorry to KiLLeR, Adelscott and fraer... specially to KiLLeR, who gets a Ro8 in the BWC and loses against him.
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I just feel so bad for TT1 always been mentioned in maphack threads or people involved in the maphack scenario. There have been so many maphackers even famous ones that got caught but never been brought up again and being compared to others but everyone just keeps picking TT1 as a subject every time.
Hey wasif i was wondering why you wasn't online on skype this is why  good job ! you deserved it. This is also one reason i never tried to become a super pro on sc2 people are just so judgmental and i know how much effort you need to put into it to even go far in a game. And when someone does good in a tournament people either judge or gets happy for their sake(which is good tho)
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On December 01 2012 06:12 ROOTT1 wrote:
holy shit adel might win wcg
It would be glorious.
Shitstorm in france would be huge (adel is kind of a very controversial player here,loved by some hated by others :D )
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I hope that Lowely goes on to win the tournament and complete his Korean allkill. He really seems to be a very likeable guy, who unfortunately doesn't get a lot of recognition in the English speaking community, since he is probably not that confident in the language. I saw an interview with him in Russian and there he was talking very much.
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If CombatEX made it past Parting, he had a chance to PvP his way to the championship title. Scary thought.
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I was thinking that too. And than it would be sensation. I would love this to happen, since it is really not human to ban someone forever for something that psychically didn't hurt anyone. Internet is internet. Internet Wasif is not the same as real life Wasif. Everyone that had chance meeting him knows that.
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LoL taking Combat-ex SERIOUSLY now... he didnt even win any of the two qualifier. I 3-1 him in the final and I consider myself as a casual gamer. He keep bashing everyone on his stream, when I annonced him he would go to WCG, he opened his stream and almost cry how happy he was... also said he was WAY better then me and hendralisk even after losing 3-1 and 3-2... that's pathetic.
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On December 01 2012 10:25 AlexCMoi wrote:
LoL taking Combat-ex SERIOUSLY now... he didnt even win any of the two qualifier. I 3-1 him in the final and I consider myself as a casual gamer. He keep bashing everyone on his stream, when I annonced him he would go to WCG, he opened his stream and almost cry how happy he was... also said he was WAY better then me and hendralisk even after losing 3-1 and 3-2... that's pathetic.
On November 13 2012 03:25 AlexCMoi wrote:
Make me proud combat-ex, you better reach top3 ! GL HF
lmao
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On December 01 2012 13:34 oOOoOphidian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 10:25 AlexCMoi wrote:
LoL taking Combat-ex SERIOUSLY now... he didnt even win any of the two qualifier. I 3-1 him in the final and I consider myself as a casual gamer. He keep bashing everyone on his stream, when I annonced him he would go to WCG, he opened his stream and almost cry how happy he was... also said he was WAY better then me and hendralisk even after losing 3-1 and 3-2... that's pathetic. Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 03:25 AlexCMoi wrote:
Make me proud combat-ex, you better reach top3 ! GL HF lmao
LOLOLOL
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On December 01 2012 13:34 oOOoOphidian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 10:25 AlexCMoi wrote:
LoL taking Combat-ex SERIOUSLY now... he didnt even win any of the two qualifier. I 3-1 him in the final and I consider myself as a casual gamer. He keep bashing everyone on his stream, when I annonced him he would go to WCG, he opened his stream and almost cry how happy he was... also said he was WAY better then me and hendralisk even after losing 3-1 and 3-2... that's pathetic. Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 03:25 AlexCMoi wrote:
Make me proud combat-ex, you better reach top3 ! GL HF lmao
He didnt make him proud.
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On December 01 2012 05:27 Havik_ wrote:
CombatEX took a game off of PartinG? Was it with a Proxy gate, a cannon rush, 4 gate or some combination of those?
EDIT: And Lowely over MKP? What the Hell is going on? Hasn't Korea dominated WCG since forever? MacSed is pretty good guys, I think we might have a non Korean win WCG.
Lowley is freaking good. I don't know how much the guy has to do to prove that he's one of the best European Zergs out there... he's been performing super well for almost a year now.
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On December 01 2012 05:22 BlackGosu wrote:
teamliquid has always been the best community, but to hold a grudge this long, thats just childish. you can see how wasif has changed. yeah he may be a dick at times online, but who isnt? look at destiny.
Well yeah, don't know much about this guy or anything, but this doesn't exacly seem like any mature behaviour...
On November 29 2012 21:07 RPR_Tempest wrote:
"YoonYJ went 0-1 against CombatEX after losing to a 2-gate proxy, and then CombatEX reported a 2-0 victory and logged out. After 10 minutes, we managed to get him back online. The admins insisted he upload the replays of his victory (as his match history only showed 1-0) but CombatEX kept saying, "there's a problem with the site, I can't upload the replays."
After finally being forced to finish playing out the series, YoonYJ comes back to defeat CombatEX 2-1, eliminating him from the tournament. So sick." - Nv.Dox, team manager of GAMECON Nv. This was only a month and a half ago.
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