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On November 30 2012 07:08 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 07:05 Sabu113 wrote:On November 30 2012 07:03 ChApFoU wrote:
Honestly, as an average casual player, I would say immortal sentry push looks more imbalanced than brood/infest.
Can you really go for fast double expo against that if P makes no mistakes ? Cause Steph knew it was coming, didn't make any big mistakes, tried to delay, tried to flank and got rolled over :/ We've seen immortal sentry crushed more than a few times. BL/infestor... absoutely epic harass and then some luck. I think immortal sentry makes for way worse games though, every game is the same "are the forcefields good" and regardless if they are its not exciting. Broodlord Infestor, as bad as people make it out to seem, is alot more exciting because it at least forces protoss to try to outmaneuever the army, and involves alot more different strategies/potential in the matchup, although its obviously fucked up right now.
Eh. Too many games end up where after teh BL/infestor happens protoss can do some minimal chipping but can never really win a fight. That tweaks all the build up to that point putting so much pressure on toss to get something done before that point.
Ofc I still think mass muta is just retarded both because of map design and in concept. At the same time, there seems to be so little for a zerg to manipulate beyond positioning. Kinda sad/surprised we stopped seeing baneling drop harass at all.
Immortal sentry comes down to positioning and scouting it seems. Honestly, haven't seen too many counter variations from the gasless 3 hatch in response but then again I watch much less than I did.
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On November 30 2012 07:13 Mosoball wrote:It's because you need a VIP pass to get in today(?)
Really? Why?!?!?
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On November 30 2012 07:13 XiGua wrote:
Wait, what was that flying unit that DRG used to kill Byun?
the Mutarisk
they're an endangered species
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On November 30 2012 07:11 Coolhwip wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 07:08 Pandain wrote:
Broodlord Infestor, as bad as people make it out to seem, is alot more exciting because it at least forces protoss to try to outmaneuever the armyright now. wonwonwon, as bad as people make it out to seem, is alot more exciting because it at least forces zerg to try to outmaneuever the army. Omg what did just happend
Actually cause a certain spell that makes the whole all-in (forcefield) that is impossible since it exactly blocks the whole running around and flanking.
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On November 30 2012 07:08 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 07:06 Gorlin wrote:On November 30 2012 07:04 opterown wrote:
hey mods, i can no longer edit op, would appreciate help there How'd that happen? as in i no longer have access to my pc lol gg
Getting capped in Australia is serious business it looks like.
Are we looking at more than 10 years?
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On November 30 2012 07:12 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 07:11 Rhaegar_tar wrote:On November 30 2012 07:08 NovemberstOrm wrote:On November 30 2012 07:07 McBengt wrote:On November 30 2012 07:05 freetgy wrote:On November 30 2012 07:02 Lasbike wrote:
Stephano tried his best against this build. He did try to bait forcefields during all the way from HerO's base to his base. He tried to flank the sentries/immo the whole time with 2 groups of Zerglings, but it wasn't enough.
Serious question here (no balance), how do you stop this ? he probably should have forced the engagement instead of backing of with the lings like 3-4 times, just showed that HerO was one step ahead and didn't waste a single forcefield, because he understood what Stephano tried to do. In the end though, it's mostly up the the protoss, which is the reason so many fans and players hate this build. If the FFs are immaculate, zerg is basically fucked. go watch MVPSniper hold this push in the GSL/GSTL he baits out Forcefields , it's possible to hold, you just need to be amazingly good. Maybe it was the protoss he faced who was bad at executing the build, didn't this even occur to your mind? Yea, Parting bad LOL. I guess Creator is bad too?
He executed it badly...okay, we all get it..Sniper is uber good, but guess what, he lost to theSTC.
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Naniwa just cant catch a break can he, always playing against good zerg opponents.... or people like Bomber and Rain
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On November 30 2012 07:08 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 07:07 McBengt wrote:On November 30 2012 07:05 freetgy wrote:On November 30 2012 07:02 Lasbike wrote:
Stephano tried his best against this build. He did try to bait forcefields during all the way from HerO's base to his base. He tried to flank the sentries/immo the whole time with 2 groups of Zerglings, but it wasn't enough.
Serious question here (no balance), how do you stop this ? he probably should have forced the engagement instead of backing of with the lings like 3-4 times, just showed that HerO was one step ahead and didn't waste a single forcefield, because he understood what Stephano tried to do. In the end though, it's mostly up the the protoss, which is the reason so many fans and players hate this build. If the FFs are immaculate, zerg is basically fucked. go watch MVPSniper hold this push in the GSL/GSTL he baits out Forcefields , it's possible to hold, you just need to be amazingly good.
And you need to protoss to actually respond to the baiting. Which is kind of the crux.
PvZ is just completely fucked overall, far too many "Hey look I got this unit I'm gonna win now!" scenarios. Immortal/sentry timings are just a part of it, but it is probably the worst offender when it comes to spectator enjoyment. It's like the distilled essence of an anti-climax.
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On November 30 2012 07:13 Mosoball wrote:It's because you need a VIP pass to get in today(?)
True, only those with VIP ticket can get in today
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where the fuck is stephano in the loser bracket
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On November 30 2012 07:11 oXoCube wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 07:06 Kergy wrote:On November 30 2012 07:03 SarcasmMonster wrote:On November 30 2012 07:01 XiGua wrote:
Haha, almost only Koreans left in Winners bracket except for 2 slots. XiGua still in it. Foreigner hope! With 'foreigner' they literally mean 'white people'. The untrained eyes are yet unable to tell the difference between asians from different countries. Uh, what? Sen says hello for one thing
If there were any Negro players, we would consider them foreigners as well. Not being racist, but there just aren't any.
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On November 30 2012 07:14 Rhaegar_tar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 07:12 ZAiNs wrote:On November 30 2012 07:11 Rhaegar_tar wrote:On November 30 2012 07:08 NovemberstOrm wrote:On November 30 2012 07:07 McBengt wrote:On November 30 2012 07:05 freetgy wrote:On November 30 2012 07:02 Lasbike wrote:
Stephano tried his best against this build. He did try to bait forcefields during all the way from HerO's base to his base. He tried to flank the sentries/immo the whole time with 2 groups of Zerglings, but it wasn't enough.
Serious question here (no balance), how do you stop this ? he probably should have forced the engagement instead of backing of with the lings like 3-4 times, just showed that HerO was one step ahead and didn't waste a single forcefield, because he understood what Stephano tried to do. In the end though, it's mostly up the the protoss, which is the reason so many fans and players hate this build. If the FFs are immaculate, zerg is basically fucked. go watch MVPSniper hold this push in the GSL/GSTL he baits out Forcefields , it's possible to hold, you just need to be amazingly good. Maybe it was the protoss he faced who was bad at executing the build, didn't this even occur to your mind? Yea, Parting bad LOL. I guess Creator is bad too? He executed it badly...okay, we all get it..Sniper is uber good, but guess what, he lost to theSTC.
Wait, he did?
What.
STC is so random...
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I hope IPL releases the replay pack again. There are so many great games not being cast.
Bogus anyone?
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On November 30 2012 07:04 Derez wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 07:03 Integra wrote:
The PvZ is such a bullshit MU right now. And by that I mean as boring as hell to actually watch since it's so damn predictable.
Wonwonwon actually makes it better to watch; makes the game come to a resolution faster.
I agree. Immortal/sentry is more exciting to watch than waiting half an hour to see whether the vortex hits correctly or not.
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Can be related to the immortal/sentry push actually a) containing moving units and b) being beatable. Even Parting loses with it against foreigners.
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On November 30 2012 07:14 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 07:13 XiGua wrote:
Wait, what was that flying unit that DRG used to kill Byun? the Mutarisk they're an endangered species
Who blames them when they have to compete with infestors?
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On November 30 2012 07:15 Extenz wrote:
where the fuck is stephano in the loser bracket
Maybe he forfeited because he was tired, ONOG style.
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On November 30 2012 07:15 kafkaesque wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 07:11 oXoCube wrote:On November 30 2012 07:06 Kergy wrote:On November 30 2012 07:03 SarcasmMonster wrote:On November 30 2012 07:01 XiGua wrote:
Haha, almost only Koreans left in Winners bracket except for 2 slots. XiGua still in it. Foreigner hope! With 'foreigner' they literally mean 'white people'. The untrained eyes are yet unable to tell the difference between asians from different countries. Uh, what? Sen says hello for one thing If there were any Negro players, we would consider them foreigners as well. Not being racist, but there just aren't any.
Black is ok.
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On November 30 2012 07:09 NeonFox wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 07:06 ChApFoU wrote:On November 30 2012 07:03 Gescom wrote:On November 30 2012 07:02 Dissonance23 wrote:
Horrible play by Stephano G3, constantly floating 800+ minerals and giving up 40 lings for free. Could have dropped 3 spines at his third and just set lings in back for flank and held fine. Agree. Well I'm no expert but from what I've heard, you need to fight that strat on open space. I don't really see any way to properly flank if P is at your third and has mana for a billion FF. Yup, roachling should never be able to beat it if the protoss is half competent with his FF. You have to do what Suppy did with his million spines and super early lair.
I didn't watch those games, but wasn't that build specifically designed to counter WonWonWon? I remember reading that he knew Parting would use it so he just blindly massed spines, it's not something that you can reliably do.
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