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From page 85 and onwards anyone contributing to a gender discussion will face moderation.

I feel the need to remind people that balance commentary and complaints are not acceptable posts in LR topics due to the fact that they will derail any tournament topic that it is left unchecked in. If you participate in it you will be moderated.

It should also be clear that any SC2 vs LoL debates have no place in this thread.
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11075 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-29 22:16:16
November 29 2012 22:14 GMT
#2841
On November 30 2012 07:08 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2012 07:05 Sabu113 wrote:
On November 30 2012 07:03 ChApFoU wrote:
Honestly, as an average casual player, I would say immortal sentry push looks more imbalanced than brood/infest.

Can you really go for fast double expo against that if P makes no mistakes ? Cause Steph knew it was coming, didn't make any big mistakes, tried to delay, tried to flank and got rolled over :/

We've seen immortal sentry crushed more than a few times. BL/infestor... absoutely epic harass and then some luck.



I think immortal sentry makes for way worse games though, every game is the same "are the forcefields good" and regardless if they are its not exciting.

Broodlord Infestor, as bad as people make it out to seem, is alot more exciting because it at least forces protoss to try to outmaneuever the army, and involves alot more different strategies/potential in the matchup, although its obviously fucked up right now.


Eh. Too many games end up where after teh BL/infestor happens protoss can do some minimal chipping but can never really win a fight. That tweaks all the build up to that point putting so much pressure on toss to get something done before that point.

Ofc I still think mass muta is just retarded both because of map design and in concept. At the same time, there seems to be so little for a zerg to manipulate beyond positioning. Kinda sad/surprised we stopped seeing baneling drop harass at all.

Immortal sentry comes down to positioning and scouting it seems. Honestly, haven't seen too many counter variations from the gasless 3 hatch in response but then again I watch much less than I did.
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
XiGua
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden3085 Posts
November 29 2012 22:14 GMT
#2842
On November 30 2012 07:13 Mosoball wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2012 07:10 XiGua wrote:
So many empty seats...

It's because you need a VIP pass to get in today(?)

Really? Why?!?!?
ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) APM, Why u make me spam?
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
November 29 2012 22:14 GMT
#2843
On November 30 2012 07:13 XiGua wrote:
Wait, what was that flying unit that DRG used to kill Byun?


the Mutarisk

they're an endangered species
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Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-29 22:15:12
November 29 2012 22:14 GMT
#2844
On November 30 2012 07:11 Coolhwip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2012 07:08 Pandain wrote:


Broodlord Infestor, as bad as people make it out to seem, is alot more exciting because it at least forces protoss to try to outmaneuever the armyright now.


wonwonwon, as bad as people make it out to seem, is alot more exciting because it at least forces zerg to try to outmaneuever the army.

Omg what did just happend

Actually cause a certain spell that makes the whole all-in (forcefield) that is impossible since it exactly blocks the whole running around and flanking.
TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-29 22:15:22
November 29 2012 22:14 GMT
#2845
On November 30 2012 07:08 opterown wrote:
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On November 30 2012 07:06 Gorlin wrote:
On November 30 2012 07:04 opterown wrote:
hey mods, i can no longer edit op, would appreciate help there

How'd that happen?

as in i no longer have access to my pc lol gg

Getting capped in Australia is serious business it looks like.

Are we looking at more than 10 years?
http://aligulac.com || Barcraft Switzerland! || Zerg best race. || Stats-poster extraordinaire.
Rhaegar_tar
Profile Joined February 2012
France847 Posts
November 29 2012 22:14 GMT
#2846
On November 30 2012 07:12 ZAiNs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2012 07:11 Rhaegar_tar wrote:
On November 30 2012 07:08 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On November 30 2012 07:07 McBengt wrote:
On November 30 2012 07:05 freetgy wrote:
On November 30 2012 07:02 Lasbike wrote:
Stephano tried his best against this build. He did try to bait forcefields during all the way from HerO's base to his base. He tried to flank the sentries/immo the whole time with 2 groups of Zerglings, but it wasn't enough.

Serious question here (no balance), how do you stop this ?


he probably should have forced the engagement instead of backing of with the lings like 3-4 times,
just showed that HerO was one step ahead and didn't waste a single forcefield, because he understood what Stephano tried to do.


In the end though, it's mostly up the the protoss, which is the reason so many fans and players hate this build. If the FFs are immaculate, zerg is basically fucked.


go watch MVPSniper hold this push in the GSL/GSTL he baits out Forcefields , it's possible to hold, you just need to be amazingly good.


Maybe it was the protoss he faced who was bad at executing the build, didn't this even occur to your mind?

Yea, Parting bad LOL. I guess Creator is bad too?


He executed it badly...okay, we all get it..Sniper is uber good, but guess what, he lost to theSTC.
Jochan
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Poland1730 Posts
November 29 2012 22:14 GMT
#2847
Go go Nerchio
"(...)all in the game, yo. All in the game"
Astro-Penguin
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
554 Posts
November 29 2012 22:15 GMT
#2848
Naniwa just cant catch a break can he, always playing against good zerg opponents.... or people like Bomber and Rain
McBengt
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1684 Posts
November 29 2012 22:15 GMT
#2849
On November 30 2012 07:08 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2012 07:07 McBengt wrote:
On November 30 2012 07:05 freetgy wrote:
On November 30 2012 07:02 Lasbike wrote:
Stephano tried his best against this build. He did try to bait forcefields during all the way from HerO's base to his base. He tried to flank the sentries/immo the whole time with 2 groups of Zerglings, but it wasn't enough.

Serious question here (no balance), how do you stop this ?


he probably should have forced the engagement instead of backing of with the lings like 3-4 times,
just showed that HerO was one step ahead and didn't waste a single forcefield, because he understood what Stephano tried to do.


In the end though, it's mostly up the the protoss, which is the reason so many fans and players hate this build. If the FFs are immaculate, zerg is basically fucked.


go watch MVPSniper hold this push in the GSL/GSTL he baits out Forcefields , it's possible to hold, you just need to be amazingly good.


And you need to protoss to actually respond to the baiting. Which is kind of the crux.

PvZ is just completely fucked overall, far too many "Hey look I got this unit I'm gonna win now!" scenarios. Immortal/sentry timings are just a part of it, but it is probably the worst offender when it comes to spectator enjoyment. It's like the distilled essence of an anti-climax.
"My twelve year old will out-reason Bill Maher when it comes to understanding, you know, what, uh, how to logic work" - Rick Santorum
Prplppleatr
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1518 Posts
November 29 2012 22:15 GMT
#2850
On November 30 2012 07:13 Mosoball wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2012 07:10 XiGua wrote:
So many empty seats...

It's because you need a VIP pass to get in today(?)

True, only those with VIP ticket can get in today
🥇 Prediction Contest - Mess with the best, die like the rest.
Extenz
Profile Joined October 2011
Italy822 Posts
November 29 2012 22:15 GMT
#2851
where the fuck is stephano in the loser bracket
kafkaesque
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Germany2006 Posts
November 29 2012 22:15 GMT
#2852
On November 30 2012 07:11 oXoCube wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2012 07:06 Kergy wrote:
On November 30 2012 07:03 SarcasmMonster wrote:
On November 30 2012 07:01 XiGua wrote:
Haha, almost only Koreans left in Winners bracket except for 2 slots.


XiGua still in it. Foreigner hope!


With 'foreigner' they literally mean 'white people'.

The untrained eyes are yet unable to tell the difference between asians from different countries.


Uh, what?

Sen says hello for one thing

If there were any Negro players, we would consider them foreigners as well. Not being racist, but there just aren't any.
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
November 29 2012 22:15 GMT
#2853
On November 30 2012 07:14 Rhaegar_tar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2012 07:12 ZAiNs wrote:
On November 30 2012 07:11 Rhaegar_tar wrote:
On November 30 2012 07:08 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On November 30 2012 07:07 McBengt wrote:
On November 30 2012 07:05 freetgy wrote:
On November 30 2012 07:02 Lasbike wrote:
Stephano tried his best against this build. He did try to bait forcefields during all the way from HerO's base to his base. He tried to flank the sentries/immo the whole time with 2 groups of Zerglings, but it wasn't enough.

Serious question here (no balance), how do you stop this ?


he probably should have forced the engagement instead of backing of with the lings like 3-4 times,
just showed that HerO was one step ahead and didn't waste a single forcefield, because he understood what Stephano tried to do.


In the end though, it's mostly up the the protoss, which is the reason so many fans and players hate this build. If the FFs are immaculate, zerg is basically fucked.


go watch MVPSniper hold this push in the GSL/GSTL he baits out Forcefields , it's possible to hold, you just need to be amazingly good.


Maybe it was the protoss he faced who was bad at executing the build, didn't this even occur to your mind?

Yea, Parting bad LOL. I guess Creator is bad too?


He executed it badly...okay, we all get it..Sniper is uber good, but guess what, he lost to theSTC.


Wait, he did?

What.

STC is so random...
Netsky
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1155 Posts
November 29 2012 22:15 GMT
#2854
I hope IPL releases the replay pack again. There are so many great games not being cast.

Bogus anyone?
Killmouse
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria5700 Posts
November 29 2012 22:15 GMT
#2855
battle of bm
yo
neptunusfisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
2286 Posts
November 29 2012 22:15 GMT
#2856
On November 30 2012 07:04 Derez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2012 07:03 Integra wrote:
The PvZ is such a bullshit MU right now. And by that I mean as boring as hell to actually watch since it's so damn predictable.


Wonwonwon actually makes it better to watch; makes the game come to a resolution faster.


I agree. Immortal/sentry is more exciting to watch than waiting half an hour to see whether the vortex hits correctly or not.

+ Show Spoiler +

Can be related to the immortal/sentry push actually a) containing moving units and b) being beatable. Even Parting loses with it against foreigners.
maru G5L pls
Zane
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania3916 Posts
November 29 2012 22:15 GMT
#2857
On November 30 2012 07:14 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2012 07:13 XiGua wrote:
Wait, what was that flying unit that DRG used to kill Byun?


the Mutarisk

they're an endangered species

Who blames them when they have to compete with infestors?
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
November 29 2012 22:16 GMT
#2858
On November 30 2012 07:15 Extenz wrote:
where the fuck is stephano in the loser bracket

Maybe he forfeited because he was tired, ONOG style.
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
November 29 2012 22:16 GMT
#2859
On November 30 2012 07:15 kafkaesque wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2012 07:11 oXoCube wrote:
On November 30 2012 07:06 Kergy wrote:
On November 30 2012 07:03 SarcasmMonster wrote:
On November 30 2012 07:01 XiGua wrote:
Haha, almost only Koreans left in Winners bracket except for 2 slots.


XiGua still in it. Foreigner hope!


With 'foreigner' they literally mean 'white people'.

The untrained eyes are yet unable to tell the difference between asians from different countries.


Uh, what?

Sen says hello for one thing

If there were any Negro players, we would consider them foreigners as well. Not being racist, but there just aren't any.


Black is ok.
Terran & Potato Salad.
Twilight Sparkle
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia235 Posts
November 29 2012 22:16 GMT
#2860
On November 30 2012 07:09 NeonFox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2012 07:06 ChApFoU wrote:
On November 30 2012 07:03 Gescom wrote:
On November 30 2012 07:02 Dissonance23 wrote:
Horrible play by Stephano G3, constantly floating 800+ minerals and giving up 40 lings for free. Could have dropped 3 spines at his third and just set lings in back for flank and held fine.

Agree.


Well I'm no expert but from what I've heard, you need to fight that strat on open space. I don't really see any way to properly flank if P is at your third and has mana for a billion FF.


Yup, roachling should never be able to beat it if the protoss is half competent with his FF. You have to do what Suppy did with his million spines and super early lair.

I didn't watch those games, but wasn't that build specifically designed to counter WonWonWon? I remember reading that he knew Parting would use it so he just blindly massed spines, it's not something that you can reliably do.
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