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On October 14 2012 15:39 bsdaemon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 15:35 covetousrat wrote:On October 14 2012 15:31 Akhee wrote:i didnt know much about this caster, jorosar, but he seems really good except some mistakes like the interceptor thing, everything else he was seeming very confident to talk about also, carriers......... On October 14 2012 15:31 bsdaemon wrote: Why are so many people complaining about infestors when Creator did his own demise by going pure Carriers and no harassment.
Oh wait, people always complain about infestors... no harassment next time he needs to kill 27 bases probably Lol Creator No HARESSMENT? HAHA are you even watching the same game? Creator pin Curious at 4 bases while having 5 himself with lots of Zealot haress n DT. I guess im looking at it differently but it seems to me that Creator is only doing that to buy time for his Carriers, no other goal behind it.
Uh yeah, he is.
You have to kill the Zerg army eventually and It's impossible to do without a carrier fleet.
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opterown
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On October 14 2012 15:39 Lennient wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 15:38 opterown wrote:On October 14 2012 15:38 Lennient wrote: Creator only used carriers, what's wrong with Curious only used Infestors ? Did Curious only use infestors to beat a standard protoss unit composition ? But i agree that interceptors shouldn't cost money.
it would be like creator owning mass battlecruisers with mass sentries ;p i've never tried this, but im pretty sure mass voidrays or mass stalkers can beat BCs but not mass sentries!
infestor = integral zerg spellcaster. sentry = the same for protoss brood lord = ultimate zerg capital ship. carrier = ultimate protoss capital ship
infestor > carrier sentry < brood lord
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On October 14 2012 15:39 bsdaemon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 15:35 covetousrat wrote:On October 14 2012 15:31 Akhee wrote:i didnt know much about this caster, jorosar, but he seems really good except some mistakes like the interceptor thing, everything else he was seeming very confident to talk about also, carriers......... On October 14 2012 15:31 bsdaemon wrote: Why are so many people complaining about infestors when Creator did his own demise by going pure Carriers and no harassment.
Oh wait, people always complain about infestors... no harassment next time he needs to kill 27 bases probably Lol Creator No HARESSMENT? HAHA are you even watching the same game? Creator pin Curious at 4 bases while having 5 himself with lots of Zealot haress n DT. I guess im looking at it differently but it seems to me that Creator is only doing that to buy time for his Carriers, no other goal behind it.
Because getting those carriers was the goal...
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On October 14 2012 15:40 snafoo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 15:38 Lennient wrote: Creator only used carriers, what's wrong with Curious only used Infestors ? Did Curious only use infestors to beat a standard protoss unit composition ? But i agree that interceptors shouldn't cost money.
Response to mass carriers: Broodlord/Infestor Response to standard late game army: Broodlord/Infestor Protoss can't engage either. I think that's the problem. You forgot the shittons of spines and spores that you also have to deal with
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Fenrax
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On October 14 2012 15:40 eleaf wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 15:30 Lysanias wrote:On October 14 2012 15:26 eleaf wrote:On October 14 2012 15:24 Ksquared wrote: I don't think anyone actually likes infestors I bet some zerg players who rely it to steal their money from much better players in tournament dont think so. Don't be a sore loser, without infestors zerg can never be cost efficient. It's a needed unit, though they way it's made is rather questionable, but then again so are many more units in WoL. So zerg needs cost efficiency despite in the same time it has the most easy and efficient macro mechanism. OK you can have the most drone at first and have largest minerals/gas income than any other two races and now you have to have some 'cost efficiency' in the production. Please tell me so in the theorycraft how could a Terran/Protoss be not loser.
Calm down man. Top 8 are 6 Toss and 2 Zerg. Do you seriously complain that we dont get 7 Toss, 1 Zerg?
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Rain got a lucky path to top 6 though, didn't play any Korean players so far.
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On October 14 2012 15:40 eleaf wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 15:30 Lysanias wrote:On October 14 2012 15:26 eleaf wrote:On October 14 2012 15:24 Ksquared wrote: I don't think anyone actually likes infestors I bet some zerg players who rely it to steal their money from much better players in tournament dont think so. Don't be a sore loser, without infestors zerg can never be cost efficient. It's a needed unit, though they way it's made is rather questionable, but then again so are many more units in WoL. So zerg needs cost efficiency despite in the same time it has the most easy and efficient macro mechanism. OK you can have the most drone at first and have largest minerals/gas income than any other two races and now you have to have some 'cost efficiency' in the production. Please tell me so in the theorycraft how could a Terran/Protoss be not loser.
any composition without infestors are VERY cost ineffecient, not effecient enough to make up for the faster drones and bases, if infestors were nerfed, expect 40% or less winratios for zvt and zvp
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Can somebody tell me something about that trailer after WoL ? Looked like story was from Warcraft3 neutral campaign to me ?
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On October 14 2012 15:39 Lennient wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 15:38 opterown wrote:On October 14 2012 15:38 Lennient wrote: Creator only used carriers, what's wrong with Curious only used Infestors ? Did Curious only use infestors to beat a standard protoss unit composition ? But i agree that interceptors shouldn't cost money.
it would be like creator owning mass battlecruisers with mass sentries ;p i've never tried this, but im pretty sure mass voidrays or mass stalkers can beat BCs But curious never tried to counter creator's with mass corruptor? A more appropriate analogy would be like having mass high templars being able to counter mass BCs
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From the whiney comments I'm reading here on this last page, I take it some PvZ was played. Suddenly, I'm not interested in reading the LR thread, Liquipedia here I come!
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opterown
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On October 14 2012 15:41 Fenrax wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 15:40 eleaf wrote:On October 14 2012 15:30 Lysanias wrote:On October 14 2012 15:26 eleaf wrote:On October 14 2012 15:24 Ksquared wrote: I don't think anyone actually likes infestors I bet some zerg players who rely it to steal their money from much better players in tournament dont think so. Don't be a sore loser, without infestors zerg can never be cost efficient. It's a needed unit, though they way it's made is rather questionable, but then again so are many more units in WoL. So zerg needs cost efficiency despite in the same time it has the most easy and efficient macro mechanism. OK you can have the most drone at first and have largest minerals/gas income than any other two races and now you have to have some 'cost efficiency' in the production. Please tell me so in the theorycraft how could a Terran/Protoss be not loser. Calm down man. Top 8 are 6 Toss and 2 Zerg. Do you seriously complain that we dont get 7 Toss, 1 Zerg? the 2 zerg there were the only two good zerg coming into WCS asia anyway, while three good tosses have fallen ;p
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On October 14 2012 15:41 ElephantBaby wrote: Rain got a lucky path to top 6 though, didn't play any Korean players so far.
yeah that's kind of BS and I feel bad for Seed and Squirtle, their run was much much harder.
great for rain though ^_^
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On October 14 2012 15:42 YiSunsin wrote: Can somebody tell me something about that trailer after WoL ? Looked like story was from Warcraft3 neutral campaign to me ? Wasn't that a commercial for World of Warcraft: Mist of Pandaria?
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On October 14 2012 15:41 Fenrax wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 15:40 eleaf wrote:On October 14 2012 15:30 Lysanias wrote:On October 14 2012 15:26 eleaf wrote:On October 14 2012 15:24 Ksquared wrote: I don't think anyone actually likes infestors I bet some zerg players who rely it to steal their money from much better players in tournament dont think so. Don't be a sore loser, without infestors zerg can never be cost efficient. It's a needed unit, though they way it's made is rather questionable, but then again so are many more units in WoL. So zerg needs cost efficiency despite in the same time it has the most easy and efficient macro mechanism. OK you can have the most drone at first and have largest minerals/gas income than any other two races and now you have to have some 'cost efficiency' in the production. Please tell me so in the theorycraft how could a Terran/Protoss be not loser. Calm down man. Top 8 are 6 Toss and 2 Zerg. Do you seriously complain that we dont get 7 Toss, 1 Zerg? The less PvZ I see in a tourney, the better. PvP at least has tons of micro involved
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ha, looks like Artosis let him know.
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well at least he's apologizing for his ignorance
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On October 14 2012 15:42 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 15:41 Fenrax wrote:On October 14 2012 15:40 eleaf wrote:On October 14 2012 15:30 Lysanias wrote:On October 14 2012 15:26 eleaf wrote:On October 14 2012 15:24 Ksquared wrote: I don't think anyone actually likes infestors I bet some zerg players who rely it to steal their money from much better players in tournament dont think so. Don't be a sore loser, without infestors zerg can never be cost efficient. It's a needed unit, though they way it's made is rather questionable, but then again so are many more units in WoL. So zerg needs cost efficiency despite in the same time it has the most easy and efficient macro mechanism. OK you can have the most drone at first and have largest minerals/gas income than any other two races and now you have to have some 'cost efficiency' in the production. Please tell me so in the theorycraft how could a Terran/Protoss be not loser. Calm down man. Top 8 are 6 Toss and 2 Zerg. Do you seriously complain that we dont get 7 Toss, 1 Zerg? the 2 zerg there were the only two good zerg coming into WCS asia anyway, while three good tosses have fallen ;p
Because all the other Zergs got knocked out by Protoss in Korean WCS?
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Ultralisk charge ... such a funny idea.
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
On October 14 2012 15:42 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 15:41 Fenrax wrote:On October 14 2012 15:40 eleaf wrote:On October 14 2012 15:30 Lysanias wrote:On October 14 2012 15:26 eleaf wrote:On October 14 2012 15:24 Ksquared wrote: I don't think anyone actually likes infestors I bet some zerg players who rely it to steal their money from much better players in tournament dont think so. Don't be a sore loser, without infestors zerg can never be cost efficient. It's a needed unit, though they way it's made is rather questionable, but then again so are many more units in WoL. So zerg needs cost efficiency despite in the same time it has the most easy and efficient macro mechanism. OK you can have the most drone at first and have largest minerals/gas income than any other two races and now you have to have some 'cost efficiency' in the production. Please tell me so in the theorycraft how could a Terran/Protoss be not loser. Calm down man. Top 8 are 6 Toss and 2 Zerg. Do you seriously complain that we dont get 7 Toss, 1 Zerg? the 2 zerg there were the only two good zerg coming into WCS asia anyway, while three good tosses have fallen ;p
Coming through the loser bracket. After losing to Toss.
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