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Oboeman
Canada3980 Posts
On September 24 2012 03:18 iglocska wrote: Yeah, he could have played it safe and still be ahead in the long run, knowing how insanely good he is. Shame that he cut corners  yeah play like this frustrates me to no end | ||
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Paperplane
Netherlands1823 Posts
On September 24 2012 03:19 AlternativeEgo wrote: Finish drink when someones says "literally". glhf And one more on top of that if a caster says something is "literally" when it's really not. eg "Taeja is literally on fire right now" | ||
NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On September 24 2012 03:20 duct_TAPE wrote: There is NOTHING that proves you can't beat zerg lategame as protoss, it's all in your head. Let me guess, you play protoss and HerO is your idol, and you start blaming whatever you can get ahold of when HerO loses? it's weak. Zerg late-game is ridiculous if played correctly by players like Stephano, it basically comes down to neuralaling the mothership vs vortexing broodlords, do you think that is a good late-game? No I don't think so. | ||
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JacobShock
Denmark2485 Posts
On September 24 2012 03:17 felisconcolori wrote: That is not what I'm saying. What I am saying is, Rachel asked the question because it was already being talked about by the fans. She's bringing a perception of the fans up to a player, because it would likely be more interesting an answer than "How do you feel about that win?" (Obviously, pretty darn good.) Or the half dozen similar questions that end up getting the same generic answers. Rachel isn't making the comparison, the fans watching were - it's a valid question. And Targa's answer was in fact pretty interesting. A lot better than "You won because HerO didn't put a zealot in the choke. Was that luck or skill?" Incontrol hasn't played well for awhile, but he has done a lot better in caster/host roles in that same time. He has done very good things, but at the same time that question is not unlike ones that Incontrol himself might ask while doing an interview on that very couch. I mean, really. What question would you rather Rachel ask that would have gotten a reaction on this scale? And truthfully, Targa's answer is pretty valid. It's not BM, it's just his opinion. Not unlike Stephano's answers throughout WCS Europe. Not even close to the awkward several seconds before Stephano said he was honored to represent EU at WCS World. Or she could start conversation about the games. I don't understand why interviewers don't do this more. She's a good host though. | ||
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
On September 24 2012 03:21 shabby wrote: Hero only won with a cannon rush. Then he tried to 5 gate cheese... Then he lost to a 4base zerg, and then he lost to a timing attack that he made himself susceptible to. Hero was the cheeser, not Targa. 5 gate isn't a cheese.. if Hero were to cheese he would 7-8. Why would he purposely make a far inferior attack timing if he's going all in? Because he's not going all in. Notice he took a 3rd? | ||
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mememolly
4765 Posts
he says "here" a lot, uses it to punctuate everything | ||
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pAzand
Sweden539 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26263 Posts
On September 24 2012 03:15 Fenrax wrote: All the angry Hero fans: why the actual fuck did he go for an all-in and then a risky Zealot skip against a far inferior opponent that he had just beaten on pure mechanics in G1. What the fuck was he thinking??? There is no one, absolutely no one, to blame for the loss but Hero. Those were strategically disastrous decisons. Don't get it either. I can see taking risks against a Stephano or a DRG, as HerO often does I've always felt the Koreans cut so many corners sometimes to stay on a par with their peers that it can come back to haunt them, especially against foreigners who play a bit more safely. Case in point is Taeja getting storm dropped vs Rain at least 2 or 3 times at the same location, but yet didn't even put up one turret. Stubborn Koreans  Anyway, felt those games were so sad, but wp Targa! I don't get what he does that actually makes him good, but he posts respectable results. He was winning games in NASL last season from Australia with mobile internet iirc! HerO's my all-time favourite SC2 player, but there's no need to shit on a guy who just posted the biggest result of his career thus far. Wise the fuck up. | ||
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Husnan
France298 Posts
On September 24 2012 03:19 Antithesis wrote: This. Just imagine you just had the biggest success of your life in your discipline - be it an excellently finished degree, a great business deal, or whatever - and 10 seconds later you are compared to a guy who is widely irrelevant in this discipline just because of your body proportions. Sorry, you can't be expected to bring up a brilliant and sensitive answer in this situation. Couldn't have put it better. Here's what I heard : Rachel : "Hey it's kinda funny, you're fat, Incontrol is also fat, and you both play SC2 professionnally, isn't that just neat?" Targa : "Well, at least, I'm good at SC2" I'm sure all of you haters, in the middle of the victory excitement, would have been able to swallow your pride instantly and say something PC, instead, he tried to ignore the insult and be witty, I think I can respect that. | ||
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AlternativeEgo
Sweden17309 Posts
On September 24 2012 03:22 Paperplane wrote: And one more on top of that if a caster says something is "literally" when it's really not. eg "Taeja is literally on fire right now" "Literally almost" | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On September 24 2012 03:22 JacobShock wrote: Or she could start conversation about the games. I don't understand why interviewers don't do this more. She's a good host though. Rachel's questions are pretty bad to be honest, the same thing happened last weekend at WCS EU where it seemed as though she just thought of questions on the spot instead of preparing anything. | ||
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mizU
United States12125 Posts
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ZwuckeL
Germany563 Posts
On September 24 2012 03:22 roguez wrote: It sucks that his achievement is being overshadowed by this. He was put in a tough position with that question, which was a pretty strange thing to be asked. Most people have no experience in responding to something like that in front of thousands of people after such a huge game. People have said a hell of a lot worse, in worse times and not being chastised for it like this. I hope that peoples support for him has not been diminished because of this drama, that would be really sad considering how well he is doing. I've pointed this out several times now but strangle no one is interested in a witch hunt T_T | ||
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On September 24 2012 03:23 mizU wrote: That was a really smart build by Targa, for those of you who don't understand the current PvZ metagame. No protoss is going to worry about walling off ling-tight when no gas has been taken. It was a smart build, and executed really nicely by Targa. A-moving is hard to execute? lolo | ||
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hwatti
Finland136 Posts
Targa 2 - 0 Proposito Targa 2 - 0 AureS Targa 2 - 0 ForGG Targa 1 - 2 Socke Targa 2 - 0 VortiX Targa 2 - 0 Adelscott Targa 2 - 1 Lucifron Targa 2 - 1 Hero He beat both VortiX and Lucifron AND 2-0'd ForGG.  oh and I love the way he handled the interview. | ||
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ES.Genie
Germany1370 Posts
On September 24 2012 03:21 TheKwas wrote: Sure, if it's a korean player who is familiar and likely in good terms with the other player. That would just be joking and trash talking. Details matter FBH threw RICE at his opponents when he won. Seriously, the whole idea that ALL koreans are super manner is silly. Koreans, like other humans, all have different personalities. They might be more manner on average, but Targa's comment wouldn't be considered a real BM move (Koreans are even more blunt than foreigners when talking about who is "good" or "bad"). I can't remember which progamer was it in early SC2, but his nickname among other Korean pros was "kaesaki Terran", liberally translated to "dog-fucker Terran" because of his bad manner.[/QUOTE] NSHS leaving during the TSL match, Parting crushing some Sun chips. Koreans really aren't all that friendly in Korean leagues :D | ||
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shabby
Norway6402 Posts
On September 24 2012 03:22 Zenbrez wrote: 5 gate isn't a cheese.. if Hero were to cheese he would 7-8. Why would he purposely make a far inferior attack timing if he's going all in? Because he's not going all in. Notice he took a 3rd? Oh i'm sorry, I thought cheese was when you went semi-all in or all-in, sacrificing your economy to do damage. And if you don't do damage you are far behind or dead, respectively. That's what happened. He "took a 3rd", but not really, he didn't have much chance of holding it being 80 supply behind, with inferior tech and upgrades. | ||
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dronescout
Iceland246 Posts
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aqui
Germany1023 Posts
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brokeception
Congo47 Posts
On September 24 2012 03:21 shabby wrote: Hero only won with a cannon rush. Then he tried to 5 gate cheese... Then he lost to a 4base zerg, and then he lost to a timing attack that he made himself susceptible to. Hero was the cheeser, not Targa. you're just some hero hater. foreigners can't win everything. if targa isn't a cheesy player, he wouldn't have made all those lings randomly. if he was a good macro player, he would have macro'd himself out of that situation. it's quite obvious that his mechanics aren't that good so he has to rely on some exploit. and in game one, like doa said, it's called the korean skill test. targa didn't react well so he lost, simple as that. not cheese, an early game advantage. he wasn't trying to kill targa at that point. and in game 2, hero did a 5 gate pressure, not all in. targa went all in in game 3 for no reason when he could have macro'd out of that. he just doesn't have good mechanics. | ||
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