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Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12025 Posts
September 23 2012 18:25 GMT
#4941
MechGG YEAAAAAAAH! :D
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Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
September 23 2012 18:25 GMT
#4942
Been a while since I watched a full TvT Bo3. Should be good.
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
September 23 2012 18:25 GMT
#4943
On September 24 2012 03:22 JacobShock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2012 03:17 felisconcolori wrote:
On September 24 2012 03:10 Nerchio wrote:
On September 24 2012 03:07 felisconcolori wrote:
On September 24 2012 03:00 Nerchio wrote:
On September 24 2012 02:57 syllogism wrote:
On September 24 2012 02:55 Nerchio wrote:
I didn't see anything wrong with his answer about InControl.

Because you have, apparently, no conception of what's appropriate and smart to say in this context. I suppose you will learn in a few years, when you grow up


I am glad you are grown up then, but the point is that this question shouldn't even be asked and if i were Targa i wouldn't like people comparing me with Incontrol so his answer was more than ok.


Hmm. Why shouldn't the question be asked? Dreamhack is pretty responsive to the people watching stream and chatting, and I have no doubt that both here on TL and in the chat people were comparing Targa to Incontrol, given that they both have decent body mass. (Not sure about the muscle/non-muscle ratio in Targa's case, pretty sure Geoff is buff.)

You want to say i can be compared to like 20% of earth just because they are slim? That's very interesting. There was not much to say for Targa, either the fact that Incontrol is not the best player or their looks but comparing people just because of their looks is just...... boring. Incontrol is one of the best figures in e-sports as a caster or entertainer but Targa couldn't really say anything about this because he's just a player so there is no comparison.


That is not what I'm saying. What I am saying is, Rachel asked the question because it was already being talked about by the fans. She's bringing a perception of the fans up to a player, because it would likely be more interesting an answer than "How do you feel about that win?" (Obviously, pretty darn good.) Or the half dozen similar questions that end up getting the same generic answers. Rachel isn't making the comparison, the fans watching were - it's a valid question. And Targa's answer was in fact pretty interesting. A lot better than "You won because HerO didn't put a zealot in the choke. Was that luck or skill?" Incontrol hasn't played well for awhile, but he has done a lot better in caster/host roles in that same time. He has done very good things, but at the same time that question is not unlike ones that Incontrol himself might ask while doing an interview on that very couch.

I mean, really. What question would you rather Rachel ask that would have gotten a reaction on this scale?

And truthfully, Targa's answer is pretty valid. It's not BM, it's just his opinion. Not unlike Stephano's answers throughout WCS Europe. Not even close to the awkward several seconds before Stephano said he was honored to represent EU at WCS World.


Or she could start conversation about the games. I don't understand why interviewers don't do this more. She's a good host though.


Yes. Of course. Except that Targa won both of his games in part (large or small, others can argue) because HerO made some pretty bad decisions. How do you phrase those questions so that it doesn't sound like you're saying "Damn, Targa, you lucked out on that!" He was playing well, but I doubt that Rachel even seriously considered what to ask Targa in the winner's interview, because we've all become very accustomed to assuming the Korean will win, and most people would've said HerO will win that series 9/10 times.
Yes, I email sponsors... to thank them. Don't post drunk, kids. My king, what has become of you?
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
September 23 2012 18:25 GMT
#4944
On September 24 2012 03:21 SarcasmMonster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2012 03:20 Big J wrote:
On September 24 2012 03:19 SarcasmMonster wrote:
On September 24 2012 03:18 Waxangel wrote:
the best mirror by some stupid margin


Because it's the best race.

then blizzard should nerf it


Best as in best designed. And most noble. The other two races are for peasants.


Yeah, those noble drug-addicted prisoners, sweating day and night in their marine suits
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
September 23 2012 18:25 GMT
#4945
i just got home from work and what the fuck are these results rofl
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
September 23 2012 18:25 GMT
#4946
Standard ForGG one base all-in transitioning into a two base all-i------

Wait, he's trying to go mech? Weird.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
ZwuckeL
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany563 Posts
September 23 2012 18:25 GMT
#4947
On September 24 2012 03:25 brokeception wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2012 03:21 shabby wrote:
On September 24 2012 03:19 brokeception wrote:
On September 24 2012 03:16 bakarin wrote:
Wow a lot of incontrol fans getting butthurt because someone said he's a bad player which is obviously true


incontrol isn't bad...every time i watch an incontrol interview, he says he is improving so no, he isn't a suck player.

you're just mad targa has to cheese to win while incontrol plays macro games. a cheesy gimicky player has no right to call another player bad.


Hero only won with a cannon rush. Then he tried to 5 gate cheese... Then he lost to a 4base zerg, and then he lost to a timing attack that he made himself susceptible to. Hero was the cheeser, not Targa.


you're just some hero hater. foreigners can't win everything. if targa isn't a cheesy player, he wouldn't have made all those lings randomly. if he was a good macro player, he would have macro'd himself out of that situation. it's quite obvious that his mechanics aren't that good so he has to rely on some exploit.

and in game one, like doa said, it's called the korean skill test. targa didn't react well so he lost, simple as that. not cheese, an early game advantage. he wasn't trying to kill targa at that point. and in game 2, hero did a 5 gate pressure, not all in. targa went all in in game 3 for no reason when he could have macro'd out of that. he just doesn't have good mechanics.


Slow ling allin is no exploit. If you think that, damn you
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
September 23 2012 18:25 GMT
#4948
On September 24 2012 03:24 aqui wrote:
how long is this gonna take? i wanna see the forgeiner


as long as it takes for the games to end!
SKYFISH_
Profile Joined April 2011
Bulgaria990 Posts
September 23 2012 18:26 GMT
#4949
i dont think 4gg has even dreamed of a TvT this deep in the tournament, you can tell he hasnt practiced the matchup at all

700 gas....
In Soviet Terranistan you rush the Zerg
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
September 23 2012 18:26 GMT
#4950
On September 24 2012 03:24 hwatti wrote:
Targa's run has been pretty impressive

Targa 2 - 0 Proposito
Targa 2 - 0 AureS
Targa 2 - 0 ForGG
Targa 1 - 2 Socke
Targa 2 - 0 VortiX
Targa 2 - 0 Adelscott
Targa 2 - 1 Lucifron
Targa 2 - 1 Hero

He beat both VortiX and Lucifron AND 2-0'd ForGG.

oh and I love the way he handled the interview.


This means that Socke is the best protoss.
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
September 23 2012 18:26 GMT
#4951
On September 24 2012 03:24 shabby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2012 03:22 Zenbrez wrote:
On September 24 2012 03:21 shabby wrote:
On September 24 2012 03:19 brokeception wrote:
On September 24 2012 03:16 bakarin wrote:
Wow a lot of incontrol fans getting butthurt because someone said he's a bad player which is obviously true


incontrol isn't bad...every time i watch an incontrol interview, he says he is improving so no, he isn't a suck player.

you're just mad targa has to cheese to win while incontrol plays macro games. a cheesy gimicky player has no right to call another player bad.


Hero only won with a cannon rush. Then he tried to 5 gate cheese... Then he lost to a 4base zerg, and then he lost to a timing attack that he made himself susceptible to. Hero was the cheeser, not Targa.

5 gate isn't a cheese.. if Hero were to cheese he would 7-8. Why would he purposely make a far inferior attack timing if he's going all in? Because he's not going all in. Notice he took a 3rd?


Oh i'm sorry, I thought cheese was when you went semi-all in or all-in, sacrificing your economy to do damage. And if you don't do damage you are far behind or dead, respectively. That's what happened. He "took a 3rd", but not really, he didn't have much chance of holding it being 80 supply behind, with inferior tech and upgrades.

Hero did aggression. In SC2 pvz, if you don't do anything to disrupt the zerg's economy, you basically lose. Making an attack is playing the game correctly, not cheesing.
Refer to my post.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33559 Posts
September 23 2012 18:26 GMT
#4952
in the meanwhile, ForGG is winning :O
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
ArnaudF
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
France993 Posts
September 23 2012 18:27 GMT
#4953
Millenium fighting!
My heart aches with pain, When I see you I vomit, Die away from me
docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
September 23 2012 18:27 GMT
#4954
ForGG soo pro right now, though I hope TheSTC wins .
User was warned for too many mimes.
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
September 23 2012 18:27 GMT
#4955
Reminds me of Hack vs Gumiho in the up/downs. Really good game, shame TheStC didn't scout more, a bunker would have saved his ass surrounded by a supply depot or 2.
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
September 23 2012 18:27 GMT
#4956
On September 24 2012 03:26 Waxangel wrote:
in the meanwhile, ForGG is winning :O


Waxangel, always staying on point.

Also, ForGG fighting!
Yes, I email sponsors... to thank them. Don't post drunk, kids. My king, what has become of you?
ZwuckeL
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany563 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-23 18:28:29
September 23 2012 18:27 GMT
#4957
On September 24 2012 02:57 Berceno wrote:
god I hate Targa.... I don't even care who wins the tournament i just want this guy to be out


can you reason this? cheesing someone who just cheeses your in a game before is pure justice

oh i see your from spain and he bet the spain brothers
Quakie
Profile Joined October 2008
Norway725 Posts
September 23 2012 18:28 GMT
#4958
What...? Are people bashing TargA for his response to the question? It was just trashtalk, had Stephano(for example, before he was on EG) done it, no on would care half as much.
shabby
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway6402 Posts
September 23 2012 18:28 GMT
#4959
On September 24 2012 03:26 Zenbrez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2012 03:24 shabby wrote:
On September 24 2012 03:22 Zenbrez wrote:
On September 24 2012 03:21 shabby wrote:
On September 24 2012 03:19 brokeception wrote:
On September 24 2012 03:16 bakarin wrote:
Wow a lot of incontrol fans getting butthurt because someone said he's a bad player which is obviously true


incontrol isn't bad...every time i watch an incontrol interview, he says he is improving so no, he isn't a suck player.

you're just mad targa has to cheese to win while incontrol plays macro games. a cheesy gimicky player has no right to call another player bad.


Hero only won with a cannon rush. Then he tried to 5 gate cheese... Then he lost to a 4base zerg, and then he lost to a timing attack that he made himself susceptible to. Hero was the cheeser, not Targa.

5 gate isn't a cheese.. if Hero were to cheese he would 7-8. Why would he purposely make a far inferior attack timing if he's going all in? Because he's not going all in. Notice he took a 3rd?


Oh i'm sorry, I thought cheese was when you went semi-all in or all-in, sacrificing your economy to do damage. And if you don't do damage you are far behind or dead, respectively. That's what happened. He "took a 3rd", but not really, he didn't have much chance of holding it being 80 supply behind, with inferior tech and upgrades.

Hero did aggression. In SC2 pvz, if you don't do anything to disrupt the zerg's economy, you basically lose. Making an attack is playing the game correctly, not cheesing.


Ok, if he didn't sacrifice economy or tech to attack, I guess he just got outplayed. Doesn't matter much to me.
Jaedong, Gumibear, Leenock, Byun
Oboeman
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3980 Posts
September 23 2012 18:28 GMT
#4960
I can't believe that protoss players are angry about a cheese that you would hold 100% of the time if you keep your zealot in a base.

i wish every cheese was that straightforward to hold.
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