Is there anywhere I can find the team rosters that will be playing?? Or will I just have to wait until the broadcast?
I just used their active roster on Liquipedia. I cant confirm that Naama and NightEnd are in Korea atm ( although almost positive nightend is) and id guess since thats only 7 players that they would bring some Koreans from their "Academy" well I guess we'll find out when it starts.
On September 08 2012 10:35 Doubting wrote: Moon vs First Moon vs Losaira Moon vs Seed Oz vs Seed Alive vs Seed Alive vs Mvp Alive vs Nestea
Don't for sure on order of players but 5-4 Fnatic seems about right.
A terran taking down seed doesnt seem likely after that performance yesterday.. I wouldve picked jjakji to be the more likely to take out seed than alive if i didnt see that game yesterday tbh.
On September 08 2012 10:35 Doubting wrote: Moon vs First Moon vs Losaira Moon vs Seed Oz vs Seed Alive vs Seed Alive vs Mvp Alive vs Nestea
Don't for sure on order of players but 5-4 Fnatic seems about right.
A terran taking down seed doesnt seem likely after that performance yesterday.. I wouldve picked jjakji to be the more likely to take out seed than alive if i didnt see that game yesterday tbh.
I feel like if anyone on Fnatic can do it then it is Alive. Tbh a Seed all kill isn't far fetched.
On September 08 2012 14:07 TommyP wrote: Youre talking about the one with the pictures and chalk and such? i think IU is fineeee btw.
I love IU too. I'm just known for saying this all the time: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand cue overused IU
On September 08 2012 14:16 TommyP wrote: LG-IM - NesTea, MC, Mvp, Seed, Happy, losira, true, yoda, yonghwa, first
Is this fair???
Coach Kang's creations! they're awesome :p
It's the method to his madness. He keeps sending every B teamer with nerve problems until they can each all-kill the other team and then the picking order will no longer matter.
Interesting how Khaldor refers to Yonghwa as a lesser known player. I've known of him forever, since Artosis likes to hype up his builds. First has been doing well at MLGs, so he isn't unknown either. The only player on IM I haven't heard much about is Yoda.
On September 08 2012 14:36 simmeh wrote: damn LG-im easily has the best protoss lineup... yonghwa, first, seed, ... mc o_O definitely trumps squirtle/parting/ace
Which is funny considering for the longest time IM's protoss representation was so weak.
I got carried away with hots streams and didn't notice this had started and came in thinking J was some completely new player and it made sense he was slaughtered...but then found out it was actually luvsic o.O
On September 08 2012 14:36 simmeh wrote: damn LG-im easily has the best protoss lineup... yonghwa, first, seed, ... mc o_O definitely trumps squirtle/parting/ace
Which is funny considering for the longest time IM's protoss representation was so weak.
The IM method, keep sending b-teamers in team leagues until they retire or become godly. Just happen those three became godly.
Yeah, Khaldor saying exactly what I was thinking. YongHwa has vZ as his best matchup as well, but you never know how much Moon improved, or what he has up his sleeve.
On September 08 2012 14:36 simmeh wrote: damn LG-im easily has the best protoss lineup... yonghwa, first, seed, ... mc o_O definitely trumps squirtle/parting/ace
Which is funny considering for the longest time IM's protoss representation was so weak.
They were always some of the more reliable players in team league though, at least from memory!
Fnatic will probably throw in Alive next. Doesn't make sense to send another Zerg, and pvp is risky. Plus Alive is strong enough to net a decent amount of kills.
Why would you hatch first vs a protoss and not massively scout the most obvious thing that can be done vs a hatch first with a overlord over the hatch?
Hwanni probably had his reasons, but I would've sent out Byul over Moon thinking about it. I just feel like if you send out the same race in succesion, starting with the weakest, you let the other player get extremely warmed up.
They need to send out Oz now. If you send out a terran and somehow he wins a TvP vs. YongHwa then he just gets pwned by Seed. If you send out a zerg and he somehow wins a ZvP vs YongHwa then he just gets crushed by MC. PvP is the way to go.
On September 08 2012 15:02 TommyP wrote: They need to send out Oz now. If you send out a terran and somehow he wins a TvP vs. YongHwa then he just gets pwned by Seed. If you send out a zerg and he somehow wins a ZvP vs YongHwa then he just gets crushed by MC. PvP is the way to go.
Would you really trust Oz "I say PvP is all skill and then lose 10+ in a row" in this situation?
Going into colossus instead of blink & immortals could really leave Yonghwa stretched thin here. Don't really think Byun is much behind, if at all. All comes down to whether or not he can bust a base.
On September 08 2012 15:09 Jehct wrote: Going into colossus instead of blink & immortals could really leave Yonghwa stretched thing here. Don't really think Byun is much behind, if at all. All comes down to whether or not he can bust a base.
Looks like he realised that and didn't make collosus.
On September 08 2012 15:14 Flonomenalz wrote: im so confused right now by what byul is doing
dont you mean yonghwa? byul was doing the right thing, taking a risk by powering drones and keeping him occupied with muta/ling/bane while transitioning...
So byul went wrong in that he didnt tech to the hive army that he needed to take on that army. He stuck with banelings and tried to kill stalker, archon collosus. Not only is that not going to work, its also mega cost inefficient.
On September 08 2012 15:17 TommyP wrote: Shouldve went brood lords. He had double spire if i remember correctly.
There's no fucking way you go broodlords against an impending Blink Stalker/Colossus all-in. He made the right units, just not all the right decisions/mishandled the engagement.
On September 08 2012 15:17 TommyP wrote: Shouldve went brood lords. He had double spire if i remember correctly.
There's no fucking way you go broodlords against an impending Blink Stalker/Colossus all-in. He made the right units, just not all the right decisions/mishandled the engagement.
its very possible he needed to not be so greedy and get a faster hive with more spines
On September 08 2012 15:17 TommyP wrote: Shouldve went brood lords. He had double spire if i remember correctly.
There's no fucking way you go broodlords against an impending Blink Stalker/Colossus all-in. He made the right units, just not all the right decisions/mishandled the engagement.
You can't seriously think Ultra baneling was the right choice there? Corrupter, Infestor, Roach plus Spine Crawler would have worked but his upgrades and tech were not in place for that.
On September 08 2012 15:22 YourHarry wrote: anyone else having problem with gomtv player? it says the "media is possibly not supported" and that i should install the right codec
Try closing gomplayer and reloading the live page. I find that if I have to close gomplayer between matches the streamlink gets corrupted or something. Refreshing the livepage works.
On September 08 2012 15:17 laoji wrote: Lose 3rd base and 30+ workers, win anyway ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
the benefits of playing protoss?
YongHwa still had a hella powerful army and he used it to the fullest.
yea the benefits of playing protoss, your army is basically always strong if you have splash and there are brood lords and infestors lol
Losing workers does absolutely nothing to the army of any of the races in the short run. Income only matters if you can turn it into something.
If you're attacking right that moment, you have no long-term possibility to use that income anyway. If you have too many workers to make units, you cannot spend the income.
On September 08 2012 15:17 TommyP wrote: Shouldve went brood lords. He had double spire if i remember correctly.
There's no fucking way you go broodlords against an impending Blink Stalker/Colossus all-in. He made the right units, just not all the right decisions/mishandled the engagement.
You can't seriously think Ultra baneling was the right choice there? Corrupter, Infestor, Roach plus Spine Crawler would have worked but his upgrades and tech were not in place for that.
Ultra bane has a strong chance against a stalker heavy army. It comes down to unit control: forcefields and storms vs fungals and proper use of Ultras. ByuL would have done better with more Ultras, but his army control was pretty poor (mainly due to the great forcefields that cut off all the banes and infestors to the south).
On September 08 2012 15:17 TommyP wrote: Shouldve went brood lords. He had double spire if i remember correctly.
There's no fucking way you go broodlords against an impending Blink Stalker/Colossus all-in. He made the right units, just not all the right decisions/mishandled the engagement.
You can't seriously think Ultra baneling was the right choice there? Corrupter, Infestor, Roach plus Spine Crawler would have worked but his upgrades and tech were not in place for that.
Ultra bane has a strong chance against a stalker heavy army. It comes down to unit control: forcefields and storms vs fungals and proper use of Ultras. ByuL would have done better with more Ultras, but his army control was pretty poor (mainly due to the great forcefields that cut off all the banes and infestors to the south).
Or if he had the ultras run over the forcefields or something so the banelings could connect and not get stormed.
On September 08 2012 15:17 laoji wrote: Lose 3rd base and 30+ workers, win anyway ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
the benefits of playing protoss?
Seems to me this happens more for terran than it does for toss O.o
Mules, marines, marauders good
mules only work that way if both side lost all their workers and they had to continue. in that situation that protoss loses all those probes they just need to have a deathball to BOX AND GO! when in doubt, box and go.
On September 08 2012 15:22 YourHarry wrote: anyone else having problem with gomtv player? it says the "media is possibly not supported" and that i should install the right codec
Try closing gomplayer and reloading the live page. I find that if I have to close gomplayer between matches the streamlink gets corrupted or something. Refreshing the livepage works.
Hmm. Thanks but that didn't work. Oh well. No videos for me
On September 08 2012 15:19 Doubting wrote: Between losing 5 ZvPs today and these games I am even more frustrated with Protoss then usual.
It's not like any of the Zs have played remotely good thus far.
Byul did alright until he decided that breaking forcefields was silly and kept the ultras far away from the rest of his units.
It felt like Byul was behind then he completely outplayed Yonghwa with great harassment plus multi pronged attacks and Protoss just defends defends defends and walks across the map and wins. This seems to be the case with a lot of ZvP's (and TvPs for that matter). That is why you gotta just tech to hive and build a million spine crawlers. If you try for aggression you won't have Broods in time for their push then you die.
Protoss ruining this game for me as a player and spectator.
Meh, this had nothintg to do with protoss. He overmade drones, so his army supply was low. He traded army for economy. HIs army was smaller and weaker, and he couldn't match YongHwa's army control on top of that.
On September 08 2012 15:19 Doubting wrote: Between losing 5 ZvPs today and these games I am even more frustrated with Protoss then usual.
It's not like any of the Zs have played remotely good thus far.
Byul did alright until he decided that breaking forcefields was silly and kept the ultras far away from the rest of his units.
It felt like Byul was behind then he completely outplayed Yonghwa with great harassment plus multi pronged attacks and Protoss just defends defends defends and walks across the map and wins. This seems to be the case with a lot of ZvP's (and TvPs for that matter). That is why you gotta just tech to hive and build a million spine crawlers. If you try for aggression you won't have Broods in time for their push then you die.
Protoss ruining this game for me as a player and spectator.
Im sorry but I kind of agree. /hides from protosses. Although i havent really watched the games today so im not taking these into account.
On September 07 2012 17:58 Sh1bby wrote: LG-IM wins 5-3 with Yonghwa as MVP. ezpz.
I was quite sure that he would kick ass yesterday, but they chose Seed in the end. Nevertheless Yonghwa shows finally what he's capable of! LG-IM fighting!
On September 08 2012 15:17 laoji wrote: Lose 3rd base and 30+ workers, win anyway ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
the benefits of playing protoss?
YongHwa still had a hella powerful army and he used it to the fullest.
yea the benefits of playing protoss, your army is basically always strong if you have splash and there are brood lords and infestors lol
He also had 40 workers compared to 90 whilst not being down on supply that much. He then took a cost effective engagement and after that Byul was basically SOL. That combined with the massive amount of damage yonghwa did in the early game and the relatively failed mutalisk switch meant that yongwha really should not have lost that game.
On September 08 2012 15:19 Doubting wrote: Between losing 5 ZvPs today and these games I am even more frustrated with Protoss then usual.
It's not like any of the Zs have played remotely good thus far.
Byul did alright until he decided that breaking forcefields was silly and kept the ultras far away from the rest of his units.
It felt like Byul was behind then he completely outplayed Yonghwa with great harassment plus multi pronged attacks and Protoss just defends defends defends and walks across the map and wins. This seems to be the case with a lot of ZvP's (and TvPs for that matter). That is why you gotta just tech to hive and build a million spine crawlers. If you try for aggression you won't have Broods in time for their push then you die.
Protoss ruining this game for me as a player and spectator.
Im sorry but I kind of agree. /hides from protosses. Although i havent really watched the games today so im not taking these into account.
Maybe next time he shouldn't make over 100 drones and lose all his roaches at the tosses natural.
On September 08 2012 15:22 YourHarry wrote: anyone else having problem with gomtv player? it says the "media is possibly not supported" and that i should install the right codec
Try closing gomplayer and reloading the live page. I find that if I have to close gomplayer between matches the streamlink gets corrupted or something. Refreshing the livepage works.
Hmm. Thanks but that didn't work. Oh well. No videos for me
check task manager for gom.exe, try going back to gomtv.net again and then click the live button, the url for it changes so refreshing doesn't always work if all else fails, then reboot! edit: if you find gom.exe in task manager then kill it! lol forgot that part
On September 08 2012 15:19 Doubting wrote: Between losing 5 ZvPs today and these games I am even more frustrated with Protoss then usual.
It's not like any of the Zs have played remotely good thus far.
Byul did alright until he decided that breaking forcefields was silly and kept the ultras far away from the rest of his units.
It felt like Byul was behind then he completely outplayed Yonghwa with great harassment plus multi pronged attacks and Protoss just defends defends defends and walks across the map and wins. This seems to be the case with a lot of ZvP's (and TvPs for that matter). That is why you gotta just tech to hive and build a million spine crawlers. If you try for aggression you won't have Broods in time for their push then you die.
Protoss ruining this game for me as a player and spectator.
Not quite.
Yonghwa did a great job defending, getting his third up, and powering his economy ahead - he had over 80 probes. This allowed him to build up a strong army When Byul finally broke past Yonghwa's defenses and devastated his economy, Yonghwa had already completed building up a solid army - so he counterattacked with it in a last-ditch effort. Economic damage at that point is somewhat less important. Byul, in the meantime, had kept 90+ drones and questionable unit composition.
On top of that, Byul bungled the actual engagement horribly.
On September 08 2012 15:17 laoji wrote: Lose 3rd base and 30+ workers, win anyway ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
the benefits of playing protoss?
YongHwa still had a hella powerful army and he used it to the fullest.
yea the benefits of playing protoss, your army is basically always strong if you have splash and there are brood lords and infestors lol
He also had 40 workers compared to 90 whilst not being down on supply that much. He then took a cost effective engagement and after that Byul was basically SOL. That combined with the massive amount of damage yonghwa did in the early game and the relatively failed mutalisk switch meant that yongwha really should not have lost that game.
TBH i actually didnt watch the game except the last engagement, im just talking ZvP in general.
On September 08 2012 15:19 Doubting wrote: Between losing 5 ZvPs today and these games I am even more frustrated with Protoss then usual.
It's not like any of the Zs have played remotely good thus far.
Byul did alright until he decided that breaking forcefields was silly and kept the ultras far away from the rest of his units.
It felt like Byul was behind then he completely outplayed Yonghwa with great harassment plus multi pronged attacks and Protoss just defends defends defends and walks across the map and wins. This seems to be the case with a lot of ZvP's (and TvPs for that matter). That is why you gotta just tech to hive and build a million spine crawlers. If you try for aggression you won't have Broods in time for their push then you die.
Protoss ruining this game for me as a player and spectator.
You're letting player frustration cloud your perception of things. If Byul engaged that army correctly with his unit composition, he won the game - he made a wrong decision by rushing it and lost the game because of that. It really sucks, but a few key decisions/moments are what ZvP usually boils down to in SC2 as right now.
He couldn't transition into broodlords because he didn't have the time, the upgrades, or the money. BL/infestor/corruptor only starts being really effective against stalker/colossus when they hit a critical mass - in low unit counts, the stalker/colossus player is better off every time. That's the point of spine crawler walls - buying time - but Byul didn't have nearly enough spines/time.
In regards to killing observers, do the pros just know the timings that an obs would normally be in your base and they go on a hunt for it, or are they just geniuses?
On September 08 2012 15:19 Doubting wrote: Between losing 5 ZvPs today and these games I am even more frustrated with Protoss then usual.
It's not like any of the Zs have played remotely good thus far.
Byul did alright until he decided that breaking forcefields was silly and kept the ultras far away from the rest of his units.
It felt like Byul was behind then he completely outplayed Yonghwa with great harassment plus multi pronged attacks and Protoss just defends defends defends and walks across the map and wins. This seems to be the case with a lot of ZvP's (and TvPs for that matter). That is why you gotta just tech to hive and build a million spine crawlers. If you try for aggression you won't have Broods in time for their push then you die.
Protoss ruining this game for me as a player and spectator.
You're letting player frustration cloud your perception of things. If Byul engaged that army correctly with his unit composition, he won the game - he made a wrong decision by rushing it and lost the game because of that. It really sucks, but a few key decisions/moments are what ZvP usually boils down to in SC2 as right now.
He couldn't transition into broodlords because he didn't have the time, the upgrades, or the money. BL/infestor/corruptor only starts being really effective against stalker/colossus when they hit a critical mass - in low unit counts, the stalker/colossus player is better off every time. That's the point of spine crawler walls - buying time - but Byul didn't have nearly enough spines/time.
The margin for error seems to be much smaller for Zerg in this matchup. Although Byul made mistakes this game Yonghwa did too and I think Yonghwa's mistakes were much worse but mattered less because of the strength of Stalker, Sentry, Colosus before Hive.
It isn't just this game either. WCS was full of games like this and Protoss just kept winning
I get so upset when Terran players neglect upgrades. 3/3 toss against 2/2 terran is ridiculously one sided in toss' favor.
On September 08 2012 15:34 TommyP wrote: In regards to killing observers, do the pros just know the timings that an obs would normally be in your base and they go on a hunt for it, or are they just geniuses?
Majority of toss players get a robo at the same time, so they must know the timing by now.
On September 08 2012 15:19 Doubting wrote: Between losing 5 ZvPs today and these games I am even more frustrated with Protoss then usual.
It's not like any of the Zs have played remotely good thus far.
Byul did alright until he decided that breaking forcefields was silly and kept the ultras far away from the rest of his units.
It felt like Byul was behind then he completely outplayed Yonghwa with great harassment plus multi pronged attacks and Protoss just defends defends defends and walks across the map and wins. This seems to be the case with a lot of ZvP's (and TvPs for that matter). That is why you gotta just tech to hive and build a million spine crawlers. If you try for aggression you won't have Broods in time for their push then you die.
Protoss ruining this game for me as a player and spectator.
You're letting player frustration cloud your perception of things. If Byul engaged that army correctly with his unit composition, he won the game - he made a wrong decision by rushing it and lost the game because of that. It really sucks, but a few key decisions/moments are what ZvP usually boils down to in SC2 as right now.
He couldn't transition into broodlords because he didn't have the time, the upgrades, or the money. BL/infestor/corruptor only starts being really effective against stalker/colossus when they hit a critical mass - in low unit counts, the stalker/colossus player is better off every time. That's the point of spine crawler walls - buying time - but Byul didn't have nearly enough spines/time.
The margin for error seems to be much smaller for Zerg in this matchup. Although Byul made mistakes this game Yonghwa did too and I think Yonghwa's mistakes were much worse but mattered less because of the strength of Stalker, Sentry, Colosus before Hive.
It isn't just this game either. WCS was full of games like this and Protoss just kept winning
Byul started off significantly behind because he lost his third and the drones at it.
He then invested all his gas on a tech switch which failed to do anything until after Yonghwa had pretty much finished all his tech, army, and upgrades.
Sending a second player from the same race is understandable - he might be better than the first one. Sending a third player of the same race after the first two get destroyed, that's questionable to say the least. Such illogical decisions by the coaches ruin GSTL for me.
On September 08 2012 15:19 Doubting wrote: Between losing 5 ZvPs today and these games I am even more frustrated with Protoss then usual.
It's not like any of the Zs have played remotely good thus far.
Byul did alright until he decided that breaking forcefields was silly and kept the ultras far away from the rest of his units.
It felt like Byul was behind then he completely outplayed Yonghwa with great harassment plus multi pronged attacks and Protoss just defends defends defends and walks across the map and wins. This seems to be the case with a lot of ZvP's (and TvPs for that matter). That is why you gotta just tech to hive and build a million spine crawlers. If you try for aggression you won't have Broods in time for their push then you die.
Protoss ruining this game for me as a player and spectator.
You're letting player frustration cloud your perception of things. If Byul engaged that army correctly with his unit composition, he won the game - he made a wrong decision by rushing it and lost the game because of that. It really sucks, but a few key decisions/moments are what ZvP usually boils down to in SC2 as right now.
He couldn't transition into broodlords because he didn't have the time, the upgrades, or the money. BL/infestor/corruptor only starts being really effective against stalker/colossus when they hit a critical mass - in low unit counts, the stalker/colossus player is better off every time. That's the point of spine crawler walls - buying time - but Byul didn't have nearly enough spines/time.
The margin for error seems to be much smaller for Zerg in this matchup. Although Byul made mistakes this game Yonghwa did too and I think Yonghwa's mistakes were much worse but mattered less because of the strength of Stalker, Sentry, Colosus before Hive.
It isn't just this game either. WCS was full of games like this and Protoss just kept winning
Byul started off significantly behind because he lost his third and the drones at it.
He then invested all his gas on a tech switch which failed to do anything until after Yonghwa had pretty much finished all his tech, army, and upgrades.
Things didn't go as well for Byul as you think.
Basically Byul burned about 1200 gas on 2 spires, greater spire, and a +2 attack up. Should of spent it all on melee 3/3 adrenal and ultra armor if he was going ultras. He was too indecisive with his gas.
On September 08 2012 15:39 Psyclon wrote: Sending a second player from the same race is understandable - he might be better than the first one. Sending a third player of the same race after the first two get destroyed, that's questionable to say the least. Such illogical decisions by the coaches ruin GSTL for me.
Why's that? Are you assuming that because a player beats a Zerg, Zergs cannot beat him? The game is more complex than race vs race.
If anything, letting Zergs on your team study the opponent's play repeatedly gives the repeats an advantage.
On September 08 2012 15:40 snafoo wrote: Hmm, seems like aLive has no real plan in this game..
Yeah, so true. What does he want to do here? Almost seems like he's feeling extremely pressured, and it's no wonder, YongHwa is tearing his team up, and he has to beat him to bring FnaticRC back into the match.
On September 08 2012 15:39 Psyclon wrote: Sending a second player from the same race is understandable - he might be better than the first one. Sending a third player of the same race after the first two get destroyed, that's questionable to say the least. Such illogical decisions by the coaches ruin GSTL for me.
Why's that? Are you assuming that because a player beats a Zerg, Zergs cannot beat him? The game is more complex than race vs race.
If anything, letting Zergs on your team study the opponent's play repeatedly gives the repeats an advantage.
i think he was referring to the fact that they got destroyed. if they did decently but lost by a reasonable margin your argument would work.
On September 08 2012 15:39 Psyclon wrote: Sending a second player from the same race is understandable - he might be better than the first one. Sending a third player of the same race after the first two get destroyed, that's questionable to say the least. Such illogical decisions by the coaches ruin GSTL for me.
Why's that? Are you assuming that because a player beats a Zerg, Zergs cannot beat him? The game is more complex than race vs race.
If anything, letting Zergs on your team study the opponent's play repeatedly gives the repeats an advantage.
i think he was referring to the fact that they got destroyed. if they did decently but lost by a reasonable margin your argument would work.
Both of the first two games were a result of the players bungling, not Yonghwa being untouchable vZ. The coach may expect the next player to not fumble a prepared game quite so badly. Again, it's more than race vs race.
Unless YongHwa is retarded in some way when it comes to PvP, or Oz has suddenly become a genius, this is probably going to be an all-kill. But we'll see!
On September 08 2012 15:46 Porcelina wrote: Well, there is always the chance that Protoss will be the Zerg of GSTL S3.
Can Oz be the Symbol as well?
Probably. PvP takes a lot of skill and he is the chosen one
Thing is...he only said he would beat Protoss that said the matchup revolved around luck. So technically, if other Protoss also claim it is about skill, he might not be the chosen one after all!
On September 08 2012 15:46 Porcelina wrote: Well, there is always the chance that Protoss will be the Zerg of GSTL S3.
Can Oz be the Symbol as well?
Probably. PvP takes a lot of skill and he is the chosen one
Thing is...he only said he would beat Protoss that said the matchup revolved around luck. So technically, if other Protoss also claim it is about skill, he might not be the chosen one after all!
Poor Oz.
You have to find the right balance like Parting said "80% luck 20% skill"
On September 08 2012 15:46 Porcelina wrote: Well, there is always the chance that Protoss will be the Zerg of GSTL S3.
Can Oz be the Symbol as well?
Probably. PvP takes a lot of skill and he is the chosen one
Thing is...he only said he would beat Protoss that said the matchup revolved around luck. So technically, if other Protoss also claim it is about skill, he might not be the chosen one after all!
Poor Oz.
You have to find the right balance like Parting said "80% luck 20% skill"
On September 08 2012 15:46 Porcelina wrote: Well, there is always the chance that Protoss will be the Zerg of GSTL S3.
Can Oz be the Symbol as well?
Probably. PvP takes a lot of skill and he is the chosen one
Thing is...he only said he would beat Protoss that said the matchup revolved around luck. So technically, if other Protoss also claim it is about skill, he might not be the chosen one after all!
Poor Oz.
You have to find the right balance like Parting said "80% luck 20% skill"
On September 08 2012 15:46 Porcelina wrote: Well, there is always the chance that Protoss will be the Zerg of GSTL S3.
Can Oz be the Symbol as well?
Probably. PvP takes a lot of skill and he is the chosen one
Thing is...he only said he would beat Protoss that said the matchup revolved around luck. So technically, if other Protoss also claim it is about skill, he might not be the chosen one after all!
Poor Oz.
You have to find the right balance like Parting said "80% luck 20% skill"
On September 08 2012 15:49 Bagration wrote: How funny would it be if Oz reverse all kills like Symbol did?
I will immediately switch logos if this happen
Oz would become the new zerg bonjwa. But really, he'd have to win a lot of PvPs and beat some really good players. In the words of Artosis, I would swallow a sword if he wins this.
On September 08 2012 15:46 Porcelina wrote: Well, there is always the chance that Protoss will be the Zerg of GSTL S3.
Can Oz be the Symbol as well?
Probably. PvP takes a lot of skill and he is the chosen one
Thing is...he only said he would beat Protoss that said the matchup revolved around luck. So technically, if other Protoss also claim it is about skill, he might not be the chosen one after all!
Poor Oz.
You have to find the right balance like Parting said "80% luck 20% skill"
I think IM is through the next round regardless of what happens now. They will have a +1 map differential and since 2 teams make it, they will be top 2 (since 1 of the other teams will have a negative differential)
On September 08 2012 15:52 vthree wrote: I think IM is through the next round regardless of what happens now. They will have a +1 map differential and since 2 teams make it, they will be top 2 (since 1 of the other teams will have a negative differential)
Yeah they are pretty much through, It's not like they are going to lose this anyway.
On September 08 2012 15:52 vthree wrote: I think IM is through the next round regardless of what happens now. They will have a +1 map differential and since 2 teams make it, they will be top 2 (since 1 of the other teams will have a negative differential)
On September 08 2012 15:52 vthree wrote: I think IM is through the next round regardless of what happens now. They will have a +1 map differential and since 2 teams make it, they will be top 2 (since 1 of the other teams will have a negative differential)
Would be true, is not a round robin though.
I am pretty sure it is robin round between NSHS, LGIM and Fnatic.
They havent said how exactly tie breaker would be handled but map difference is likely. Since they won't replay all 3 series over.
On September 08 2012 15:52 vthree wrote: I think IM is through the next round regardless of what happens now. They will have a +1 map differential and since 2 teams make it, they will be top 2 (since 1 of the other teams will have a negative differential)
Would be true, is not a round robin though.
i thought it is a round robin? Fnatic plays NSH next meaning everyone played each other
On September 08 2012 15:52 vthree wrote: I think IM is through the next round regardless of what happens now. They will have a +1 map differential and since 2 teams make it, they will be top 2 (since 1 of the other teams will have a negative differential)
Would be true, is not a round robin though.
I am pretty sure it is robin round between NSHS, LGIM and Fnatic.
It seems to be that way, at least from Liquipedia. But I swear it was not outlined that way initially. Hmm.
On September 08 2012 15:52 vthree wrote: I think IM is through the next round regardless of what happens now. They will have a +1 map differential and since 2 teams make it, they will be top 2 (since 1 of the other teams will have a negative differential)
Would be true, is not a round robin though.
I am pretty sure it is robin round between NSHS, LGIM and Fnatic.
On September 08 2012 15:49 Tayar wrote: weird map time!
Well, at least it's a weird mirror as well Might even things out
I want to see more TvTs on Abyssal. Jjakji vs. Mvp was a treat.
Agreed!
SuHoSin v. Seed Ro32 game on Abyssal was really good too (crazy that I thought a ZvP was good)
Wasn't that the game that SoHuSin botched bigtime? I remember watching that day, but can't remember that exact game for some reason
Nah, Suho botched his quite interesting Bane/Overlord drop attack on Entombed.
I have a feeling there might a correlation between TommyP liking the Abyssal game with the fact that, for once, it was the Protoss that read the game completely wrong and played like shit.
On September 08 2012 15:49 Tayar wrote: weird map time!
Well, at least it's a weird mirror as well Might even things out
I want to see more TvTs on Abyssal. Jjakji vs. Mvp was a treat.
Agreed!
SuHoSin v. Seed Ro32 game on Abyssal was really good too (crazy that I thought a ZvP was good)
Wasn't that the game that SoHuSin botched bigtime? I remember watching that day, but can't remember that exact game for some reason
Nah, Suho botched his quite interesting Bane/Overlord drop attack on Entombed.
I have a feeling there might a correlation between TommyP liking the Abyssal game with the fact that, for once, it was the Protoss that read the game completely wrong and played like shit.
You are correct. To be fair to seed though, its probably really really hard to read SuHoSin lol.
On September 08 2012 15:52 vthree wrote: I think IM is through the next round regardless of what happens now. They will have a +1 map differential and since 2 teams make it, they will be top 2 (since 1 of the other teams will have a negative differential)
Would be true, is not a round robin though.
I am pretty sure it is robin round between NSHS, LGIM and Fnatic.
Yeah it is I thought as well?
Yeah that is the way. The outcome of the first match between NSHoseo and IM only decided the order in which the matches were played.
On September 08 2012 15:49 Tayar wrote: weird map time!
Well, at least it's a weird mirror as well Might even things out
I want to see more TvTs on Abyssal. Jjakji vs. Mvp was a treat.
Agreed!
SuHoSin v. Seed Ro32 game on Abyssal was really good too (crazy that I thought a ZvP was good)
Wasn't that the game that SoHuSin botched bigtime? I remember watching that day, but can't remember that exact game for some reason
Nah, Suho botched his quite interesting Bane/Overlord drop attack on Entombed.
I have a feeling there might a correlation between TommyP liking the Abyssal game with the fact that, for once, it was the Protoss that read the game completely wrong and played like shit.
Ah, I see - I guess I will have to rewatch that series - Curse this old mans mind of mine!
On September 08 2012 15:49 Tayar wrote: weird map time!
Well, at least it's a weird mirror as well Might even things out
I want to see more TvTs on Abyssal. Jjakji vs. Mvp was a treat.
Agreed!
SuHoSin v. Seed Ro32 game on Abyssal was really good too (crazy that I thought a ZvP was good)
Wasn't that the game that SoHuSin botched bigtime? I remember watching that day, but can't remember that exact game for some reason
no, he won that game actually. seed said that the map seems very hard for protoss in his interview afterwards.
Map is still new but it does look like the perfect map for muta ling due to the distance between main and 3rd plus multiple entry points to bases. It is like Daybreak but bigger and we know how hard it is for Protoss to take a third there.
Horrible blink if for oz, the blink his stalkers into the 3 hidden immortals. and then has two of his three archons that cant fire. and loses when he was in a good position that didnt require an immediate attack
On September 08 2012 16:03 Die4Ever wrote: looks like MC was setup for the next match? I saw him taking stuff out of the booth
Lol, poor MC. Missed the game last season. I actually think MC could have been a likely choice yesterday if Seed lost. And probably slotted for second today so he could play. But then Yonghwa AKs. Oh well, since IM is moving on, I am sure he will get some chances later on.
On September 08 2012 23:53 SHOOG wrote: Well that was extremely one sided...
well, you can't get more one sided than 5-0, can you?
Mmm. I would say this series was a lot more one-sided than the GSTL finals between FXO and SlayerS was.
Yeah, in a lot of all-kills you see the games be so extremely close, and at many times they look like they could go either way. That's one of the reasons they are so fascinating. This was totally different, J and Moon looked like diamond league players in those games, Byul eventually managed to crack the defenses of YongHwa after trying for a very long time to cause any damage, but got smacked down hard by just perfect decisionmaking and superior micro. Alive, who is one of my favourite players, looked completely without focus, in the game he was just macroing up, unable to make any harrasment work, unable to make a good army composition, and YongHwa just made such short work of him with more crisp army movements. The final game was not too terribly onesided, but it was very clear YongHwa had the mental upperhand, the way he harassed the army with his blink stalker micro during the contain of his bases just seemed to cause Oz to panic completely. Though it's not entirely true, it looked a lot like he just forced his opponent to choke.
Whats the name of the song playing when IM enters? Just about to watch the vods, Hope for sick series! IM as always looks unstoppable on paper, just an amazing line up.. 10GSL trophies? say woooot
On September 09 2012 01:37 Apack wrote: I guess no one can say that the IM coach makes bad choices now
Wait until they come up against opponents that can give them a challenge. That's when the IM team anti-magic comes into play. An All-Kill is 100% meaningless in discussions of coach capability.
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