EPTAll it created is hate on TL. That article is worse than any single troll can be.
[Code S] RO32 Group D 2012 GSL Season 4 - Page 85
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sharkie
Austria18553 Posts
All it created is hate on TL. That article is worse than any single troll can be. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On September 07 2012 00:21 NeWeNiyaLord wrote: Posting pictures of Elephant's indicates hate towards ESF players? Don't be so ignorant. It's being posted because In just a few month's Kespa players can keep up with Gom. And The Elephant article was partly true. You sound like a angry soul =o lol, The Elephant article was partly true? First of all, it was written over a year ago so we won't know if what would have happened if the switch was made then. But the main point of the article was that ALL A-teamers would destroy the ESF players within months. Which is certainly not the case. Saying that the article was partly true would be saying a statement like "It rains EVERY day" is partly true because it does rain sometimes. The fact that the tone of the article was so absolute makes it not possible to claim it is 'partly' true. | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
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Nosforit
Canada260 Posts
On September 07 2012 00:21 Gladiator333 wrote: Well to be honest the terran rain I haven't heard of in ages, also the protoss rain we can instead call by the name he used in bw, which is by.sun! Now we just need him to join Millenium so he can be known as [M] By.Sun. Yeah, I went there. ^.^ | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37055 Posts
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On September 07 2012 01:26 jinorazi wrote: The article was just poking fun at the fact that sc2 were full of bw dropouts, in a way. Its like seniors(bw) poking fun at freshmen(sc2) Unfortunately, it was featured on TL. And then it became the focal point for both camps (BW fans vs SC2 fans). | ||
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DrPandaPhD
5188 Posts
On September 07 2012 01:26 jinorazi wrote: The article was just poking fun at the fact that sc2 were full of bw dropouts, in a way. Its like seniors(bw) poking fun at freshmen(sc2) Poking fun, so TL has to add a "This is intrigue's opinion, not ours.", that is not poking fun... Also if you read some of the comments you would also realize that most took the article quite seriously. | ||
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kamikami
France1057 Posts
And long live the evil empire SKTelecom, also haters have only 2 choices : shut up or face the horrible annoyance of Bisu fanboys :D | ||
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ThePhan2m
Norway2750 Posts
On September 07 2012 01:24 vthree wrote: lol, The Elephant article was partly true? First of all, it was written over a year ago so we won't know if what would have happened if the switch was made then. But the main point of the article was that ALL A-teamers would destroy the ESF players within months. Which is certainly not the case. Saying that the article was partly true would be saying a statement like "It rains EVERY day" is partly true because it does rain sometimes. The fact that the tone of the article was so absolute makes it not possible to claim it is 'partly' true. Within months of full switch. Which have not happened yet for all teams. It will come. The elephant talk has nothing to with hate on ESF imo. We all cheer for ESF players as well and respect them also. The case here is, knowledge of the scene. The people that hype the Elephant are people that have followed the BW scene for a long time, and know the difference of skill between A & B teamers I would argue. We have such a great respect for A-team players and S-class players like Bisu, Jaedong & Flash. Time will tell, but eventually imo most of both OSL and GSL code S (if they are allowed to play) will consist of mostly kespa players, and the ESF that remains are young talented players. If 6 months go, and I'm nothing has changed, I will apologize. But soo far, in the foreign scene, the BW --> sc2 player switches has been almost equvalent skillwise for those who have made a serious effort. | ||
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
On September 07 2012 01:28 Nosforit wrote: Now we just need him to join Millenium so he can be known as [M] By.Sun. Yeah, I went there. ^.^ You sir, deserve a cookie. I don't think anyone realizes what you've done. | ||
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Diizzy
United States828 Posts
On September 07 2012 00:59 DrPandaPhD wrote: "These guys weren’t average. They weren’t almost average. They were bad" Directly quoted from the article about MC / Nestea. How does that not indicate hate towards ESF players? It's right there, it's what the article is about. The elephant is the symbol of that? If you use the symbol, you promote the article. "Maybe Leta or Sea or Best or Zero won't come into SC2 and be ultra-successful if they switch. But Jaedong and Flash? They are outliers." Also quoted from the article. The article speaks about TBLS + Fantasy/Jangbi that they would be on the top. Which they are not? Sun is also probably going to drop down a bit as well when people figure him out just like what happend with ForGG (probably not as bad as Forgg because Sun is better but still). There were 50+ high lvl RTS players switching game and you guys are surprised some of them are able to compete. And a lot of them had played SC2 on earlier occasions, just never really tried to get good, so they at least knew the basics. I never saw people saying "Roro and Sun is going to be the ones doing well in SC2". I didn't think that myself but it was obvious some of the 50+ players are going to be able to compete. Out of memory I recall reading something about KeSPA B-teamers practicing SC2 way earlier than the "switch" happened. But I can't find the article about that so can't back it up. All in all, if you post an elephant picture, you stand for what the article says. You can cheer for KeSPA players without posting elephant pictures to hate on the ESF. forgg always been gimicky. by.sun just plays a straight macro style while harassing. i doubt he will be figured out soon. | ||
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Sprouter
United States1724 Posts
 ByuNjhwa hahaha | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On September 07 2012 01:48 ThePhan2m wrote: Within months of full switch. Which have not happened yet for all teams. It will come. The elephant talk has nothing to with hate on ESF imo. We all cheer for ESF players as well and respect them also. The case here is, knowledge of the scene. The people that hype the Elephant are people that have followed the BW scene for a long time, and know the difference of skill between A & B teamers I would argue. We have such a great respect for A-team players and S-class players like Bisu, Jaedong & Flash. Time will tell, but eventually imo most of both OSL and GSL code S (if they are allowed to play) will consist of mostly kespa players, and the ESF that remains are young talented players. If 6 months go, and I'm nothing has changed, I will apologize. But soo far, in the foreign scene, the BW --> sc2 player switches has been almost equvalent skillwise for those who have made a serious effort. Have you watched PL lately? I think Kespa pros have pretty much 'fully' switched in terms of practice. I don't blame them since you can winPL by just winning SC2. If you can claim that they haven't fully switch, then ESF players are also playing LoL so they are 'full time' sc2 players either. The problem with the article is that it assumed that BW skill would translate directly to SC2, which we can see is not true up to this point. And I am not even talking about ESF players. The article talked about TBLS domination. But as we can see, it hasn't played out this way. Bisu and Rain are protosses from the same team so I would assume their practice is similar. Yet Rain is doing much better. Again, I am sure Bisu will improve (which is already showing) but we cannot be certain that because you are better than someone in BW, you will automatically be better than them in SC2. Taking it one step further, I would argue that even an expansion like HOTS might cause some players to perform better and some to perform worse. For example, TvP might follow BW and become where the meta will be mech play. Heavy bio players might be at a disadvantage, and if they cannot adapt, they will fall behind the meta and get phased out. | ||
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HighPassage
United States82 Posts
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zawk9
United States427 Posts
On September 07 2012 00:59 DrPandaPhD wrote: "These guys weren’t average. They weren’t almost average. They were bad" Directly quoted from the article about MC / Nestea. How does that not indicate hate towards ESF players? It's right there, it's what the article is about. The elephant is the symbol of that? If you use the symbol, you promote the article. How is that "hate"? If I write that that X is a bad player in a game relative to the professional level am I expressing hate towards that player? If I say someone is a bad point guard (relative to the professional level) I'm suddenly frothing at the mouth and calling for their head on a pike? :p | ||
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TheDougler
Canada8306 Posts
On September 07 2012 01:50 Kazeyonoma wrote: You sir, deserve a cookie. I don't think anyone realizes what you've done. Care to explain? I hate missing out on a chuckle. | ||
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sM.Zik
Canada2550 Posts
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Salazarz
Korea (South)2591 Posts
At this point, it's stupid to even try denying that being good at BW gives you at least 'some' skills that transfer over into SC2; basically every KeSPA player we have seen is competitive around Code A level despite their lack of experience creating massive gaps in their play - that level is way above most SC2 players will ever achieve. Of course BW skills don't directly translate to SC2, otherwise Sun wouldn't have been the best KeSPA player in SC2 right now (even though he was actually damn good in BW too), but it's not that much of a stretch to assume that the most hard-working BW pros will become the top dogs amongst KeSPA SC2 rosters as well. Most of them got to where they are by being more dedicated and tireless than the others, not due to some god-given talent. Whether they'll 'dominate' the opposition or not is a very loaded question; chances are, they will force the current top GSL players to step up their game and spice up their play. Whether KeSPA pros will win every tournament or not remains to be seen, but people need to accept that they are really good. So many times you see people write stuff like 'oh x guy choked cus he's nervous playing against a KeSPA guy, he's normally better than this', but the same kind of mistakes come up time and time again in eSF v eSF matches as well, simply because there are very few players around who are both good and consistent enough to show 'great' games every time they play. tldr; stop the hate and enjoy the games. also, nestea was fucking terrible at broodwar lol | ||
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acrimoneyius
United States983 Posts
On September 06 2012 23:10 mongmong wrote: Guys ive heard this story on the forums. Happy used to be an engineering student in Japan (was on scholarship provided by Korean governemnt). Then he got into SC2, came back to Korea, then sat a trial to get into IM team. Actually in his trial against IM playerst coach Kang was surprised about how crap he was, so he failed. A month later, happy went for the trial AGAIN. This time around, he wanted to show how much he has improved. Still, he was still pretty bad, but coach Kang just let him in the team considering his passion. He was so happy that he named himself "Happy" pretty amazing story if its true EDIT: It is a true story. Just confirmed it. That's a really awesome story. Also, sad to see Byun get 4-0'd by Rain. I just went to bed when he lost the first series.  | ||
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xrapture
United States1644 Posts
On September 07 2012 01:30 vthree wrote: Unfortunately, it was featured on TL. And then it became the focal point for both camps (BW fans vs SC2 fans). I don't know how anyone could reject the article. The Kespa players are better RTS players-- that's just a fact. They played the harder game (at a higher level), have better mechanics, and practice more. It was NEVER a matter of if they would be Code S level, but when. The speed by which these players have reached Code S level is surprising to some, but probably only for people that didn't follow BW. It's the reason I always viewed SC2 as in it's beta stage-- 100+ Kespa players were waiting to switch and most are as mechanically skilled or more so than any SC2 player. | ||
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