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ElephantBaby
United States1365 Posts
On September 07 2012 01:30 vthree wrote: Unfortunately, it was featured on TL. And then it became the focal point for both camps (BW fans vs SC2 fans). Why is that unfortunate? With the arguments generated from that article, people stay on TL longer, then TL can generate more ads revenue. | ||
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
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Douillos
France3195 Posts
Happy shouldnt have gotten 1st place though, kinda crazy cause I found he was the weakest of the group. Happy for him  | ||
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Dionyseus
United States2068 Posts
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On September 07 2012 03:09 ElephantBaby wrote: Why is that unfortunate? With the arguments generated from that article, people stay on TL longer, then TL can generate more ads revenue. Not necessarily. I stopped browsing LR threads as often because they were just full of flame-baiting and arguing about that stupid article, day after day, whenever Kespa players were playing. It's out of hand IMO. People might initially be drawn to the argument (as I was), but it's all the same shit now, over and over, and I imagine that quite a few people are just tired of it by now. | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
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red4ce
United States7313 Posts
On September 07 2012 03:36 HolyArrow wrote: Not necessarily. I stopped browsing LR threads as often because they were just full of flame-baiting and arguing about that stupid article, day after day, whenever Kespa players were playing. It's out of hand IMO. People might initially be drawn to the argument (as I was), but it's all the same shit now, over and over, and I imagine that quite a few people are just tired of it by now. Well for me Kespa vs GOM is pretty much the only thing keeping my interest in SC2. WoL has pretty much stagnated and nothing will likely change much until HotS comes around. The foreign scene lacks any intrigue whatsoever as the Koreans vs foreigner angle is played out...and the Koreans won. | ||
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ThePhan2m
Norway2751 Posts
On September 07 2012 02:21 vthree wrote: Have you watched PL lately? I think Kespa pros have pretty much 'fully' switched in terms of practice. I don't blame them since you can winPL by just winning SC2. If you can claim that they haven't fully switch, then ESF players are also playing LoL so they are 'full time' sc2 players either. The problem with the article is that it assumed that BW skill would translate directly to SC2, which we can see is not true up to this point. And I am not even talking about ESF players. The article talked about TBLS domination. But as we can see, it hasn't played out this way. Bisu and Rain are protosses from the same team so I would assume their practice is similar. Yet Rain is doing much better. Again, I am sure Bisu will improve (which is already showing) but we cannot be certain that because you are better than someone in BW, you will automatically be better than them in SC2. Taking it one step further, I would argue that even an expansion like HOTS might cause some players to perform better and some to perform worse. For example, TvP might follow BW and become where the meta will be mech play. Heavy bio players might be at a disadvantage, and if they cannot adapt, they will fall behind the meta and get phased out. Their RTS skills does go from BW --> SC2 yes. They still have to put effort and practice into it to get good. As I said, the foreing scene has proven that the best BW foregin players became top sc2 foregin players. very few of the top ones that put effort into it failed. Examples: Idra, Dimaga, White-ra, Sen, Sheth, Ret, Mana, Morrow, Fenix, Haypro, Major, Goody, Strelok, Nony, Lowley, Brat.OK. Also the best koreans who has been most consistent were also the probably the best BW players that switched: MC / MvP / Fruitdealer. They were all poor preforming A-teamers as the article states. How can you say their skill does not transfer? Of course it will, in a very large portion. Just look at Korea as an BW nation, skill hasnt transfered? comon... What is the difference in A and B teamers then? Multitasking (30 Mvps incoming), reaction time, decision making are some, that is just so supperior in players like Flash & Jaedong once they get some depth into the game. You cannot say this does not transfer, those are the things that matter the most I would say in a RTS game also in SC2. Build orders and counters, anyone can learn. And during the years of watching korean BW, their ability to do these things on a top level, has far surpassed anything we've seen in sc2 so far (and sc2 being an easier game mechanics wise) What Rain has showed the past weeks is incredible. You might be right that the PL has become more and more only SC2, still I doubt they have changed like key settings for full sc2 benefit, since they stil have to play both. Give Kespa players couple more months and they will prove every doubter wrong. | ||
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TheDougler
Canada8312 Posts
On September 07 2012 04:04 red4ce wrote: Well for me Kespa vs GOM is pretty much the only thing keeping my interest in SC2. WoL has pretty much stagnated and nothing will likely change much until HotS comes around. The foreign scene lacks any intrigue whatsoever as the Koreans vs foreigner angle is played out...and the Koreans won. Hmm, yes and no. More, a clear hierarchy of Korea > Europe > NA was established with one or two people at a level hiegher than their region would indicate (Scarlett is at least European level, Stephano has established himself as being as good as most koreans). Because of those exceptions though there's still hope in the foriegn scene. Though yeah, from a more opaque view sure, the Koreans won. | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On September 07 2012 04:04 red4ce wrote: Well for me Kespa vs GOM is pretty much the only thing keeping my interest in SC2. WoL has pretty much stagnated and nothing will likely change much until HotS comes around. The foreign scene lacks any intrigue whatsoever as the Koreans vs foreigner angle is played out...and the Koreans won. Korean dominance will be even better in HotS . | ||
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1715 Posts
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-niL
Canada1131 Posts
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CCa1ss1e
Canada3231 Posts
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Dakure
United States513 Posts
On September 07 2012 01:24 vthree wrote: lol, The Elephant article was partly true? First of all, it was written over a year ago so we won't know if what would have happened if the switch was made then. But the main point of the article was that ALL A-teamers would destroy the ESF players within months. Which is certainly not the case. Saying that the article was partly true would be saying a statement like "It rains EVERY day" is partly true because it does rain sometimes. The fact that the tone of the article was so absolute makes it not possible to claim it is 'partly' true. It also made the claim that the skill level of around the time it was written was really low. I think that's true. Look at the average play of back then and the average play of now and you'll see that now, players play significantly smarter. Personally, I would say that's to be expected because of how new the game was and how it still had relatively constant patches hitting it. So that part of the article is true, and hence partly true. | ||
Fionn
United States23455 Posts
By.Sun is really good. Not the greatest player of all-time, but like most of the top Protoss in Korea, a threat to go far. | ||
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27041 Posts
Kespa vs ESF back-and-forth is obnoxious as fuck though, LR threads are bad enough without another level of stupidity added on the top. There were some good games today, what's wrong with discussing them? | ||
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Hazzyboy
Estonia555 Posts
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tuho12345
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AndAgain
United States2621 Posts
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