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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
On September 02 2012 06:47 Gamegene wrote: IT'S OK STING. YOU WON THE MORAL VICTORY. Sting is the TRUE winner of the TSL4. I'M GLAD I WAS ABLE TO WITNESS OUR CHAMPION STING TRANSCEND HIMSELF. STING FIGHTING!!! did I miss something? | ||
opterown
Australia54784 Posts
only player to take a game off creator, i guess. | ||
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mikedebo
Canada4341 Posts
oh well good job Life  | ||
Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On September 02 2012 05:52 bokchoi wrote: Also there are no foreigners left and the Koreans that are left aren't like the BIG NAME Koreans. Creator is a big name Korean >_> | ||
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Sroobz
United States1377 Posts
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dizzy101
Netherlands2066 Posts
On September 02 2012 06:19 heartlxp wrote: yeah na sc2 is pretty much done, you got about 10x more ppl watching LoL, as much as i loved watching sc2, anything outside the gsl is a complete joke I mean, who feels that SC2 is still fresh and interesting? It has gotten pretty stale IMO. I see the same names over and over--especially in the foreign scene. (Thanks to WCS we see the occasional new face.) The metagame changes are slow, the builds are predictable, the Koreans are mostly without personality... and there simply are not many jaw-dropping amazing moments, at least in the stuff I watch (the way there are in, say, Dota 2). | ||
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Sumahi
Guam5609 Posts
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On September 02 2012 08:36 Sroobz wrote: Rofl another final with no terrans yay There's two in the 3rd place match. Too bad Creator and Life are a fair bit stronger than Sting and Keen. | ||
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Jakkerr
Netherlands2549 Posts
On September 02 2012 06:19 heartlxp wrote: yeah na sc2 is pretty much done, you got about 10x more ppl watching LoL, as much as i loved watching sc2, anything outside the gsl is a complete joke It's all about the players man. Without disrespecting them, but most people just don't get hyped at all to watch a finals between Creator and Life. | ||
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Jakkerr
Netherlands2549 Posts
On September 02 2012 08:47 dizzy101 wrote: I mean, who feels that SC2 is still fresh and interesting? It has gotten pretty stale IMO. I see the same names over and over--especially in the foreign scene. (Thanks to WCS we see the occasional new face.) The metagame changes are slow, the builds are predictable, the Koreans are mostly without personality... and there simply are not many jaw-dropping amazing moments, at least in the stuff I watch (the way there are in, say, Dota 2). True IMO, current state of the game is incredibly boring. Combine that with way too many tournaments and a lot of random Koreans and most people couldn't care less about some tournaments. Starcraft DESPERATELY needs HotS to be good and the game needs wayyyyy more hype. | ||
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Garnet
Vietnam9041 Posts
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Belha
Italy2850 Posts
On September 02 2012 08:47 dizzy101 wrote: I mean, who feels that SC2 is still fresh and interesting? It has gotten pretty stale IMO. I see the same names over and over--especially in the foreign scene. (Thanks to WCS we see the occasional new face.) The metagame changes are slow, the builds are predictable, the Koreans are mostly without personality... and there simply are not many jaw-dropping amazing moments, at least in the stuff I watch (the way there are in, say, Dota 2). Agree. Just watched some The International 2 action and is so much better than watching Sc2. Btw, i played Sc2 since the beta, and watched the pro scene since the first GSL and so. But the game is just boring to watch due to the lack of intense micro mechanics (to constantly create those wow moments)and total lack of charismatic players. | ||
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Deleted User 26513
2376 Posts
On September 02 2012 11:00 Belha wrote: Agree. Just watched some The International 2 action and is so much better than watching Sc2. Btw, i played Sc2 since the beta, and watched the pro scene since the first GSL and so. But the game is just boring to watch due to the lack of intense micro mechanics (to constantly create those wow moments)and total lack of charismatic players. That is your own opinion man. Don't state it like a fact. As an expample for me watching Hero's stream is much more interesting than watching the international(btw I fell asleep 3 times during one of the matches...), but I didn't come in the dota forum to shit all over the game. Keep your personal preferences to yourself. | ||
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-TesteR-
Canada1165 Posts
On September 02 2012 09:24 Dfgj wrote: There's two in the 3rd place match. Too bad Creator and Life are a fair bit stronger than Sting and Keen. Top 4: 2 terrans, 1 protoss, 1 zerg You can spin information anyway you like. | ||
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
On September 02 2012 11:00 Belha wrote: Agree. Just watched some The International 2 action and is so much better than watching Sc2. Btw, i played Sc2 since the beta, and watched the pro scene since the first GSL and so. But the game is just boring to watch due to the lack of intense micro mechanics (to constantly create those wow moments)and total lack of charismatic players. and you watch dota because it has those intense micro mechanics? You really get hyped up because someone can control one single unit correctly? The problem is not the way SC2 is played and it's not the players that lack of charisma or personality. The problem is, that SC2 is too hard to be played by the mass over a long period of time. Most casual players don't want to think too much about build orders or strategy, but they want achievements with little effort. That's why WoW has been such a success over such a long time and that's why Dota and LoL are so popular: Because they are fucking easy to play. And if the game is played a lot, you get a lot of viewers to watch the tournaments (and additionally there are not that many LoL/Dota tournaments out there, so the market is not as saturated as in SC2), especially if you promote the streams ingame! in esports we have the players -> viewers dynamic, while in other sports it's more the other way around. And that is hurting SC2 atm! | ||
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Youtakenocandle
543 Posts
On September 02 2012 19:20 TeeTS wrote: and you watch dota because it has those intense micro mechanics? You really get hyped up because someone can control one single unit correctly? The problem is not the way SC2 is played and it's not the players that lack of charisma or personality. The problem is, that SC2 is too hard to be played by the mass over a long period of time. Most casual players don't want to think too much about build orders or strategy, but they want achievements with little effort. That's why WoW has been such a success over such a long time and that's why Dota and LoL are so popular: Because they are fucking easy to play. And if the game is played a lot, you get a lot of viewers to watch the tournaments (and additionally there are not that many LoL/Dota tournaments out there, so the market is not as saturated as in SC2), especially if you promote the streams ingame! in esports we have the players -> viewers dynamic, while in other sports it's more the other way around. And that is hurting SC2 atm! Wow 'esports' always had low viewership. The problem with SC2 is that there are a lot of tournaments, scattered all over the place. And TSL isn't an offline spectacle, plus no Stephano or other big name in the top 4. Ideal for Esports would be more centered locations to view it. You don't have to watch sports on 50 different channels. | ||
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pyro19
6575 Posts
On September 02 2012 19:20 TeeTS wrote: and you watch dota because it has those intense micro mechanics? You really get hyped up because someone can control one single unit correctly? The problem is not the way SC2 is played and it's not the players that lack of charisma or personality. The problem is, that SC2 is too hard to be played by the mass over a long period of time. Most casual players don't want to think too much about build orders or strategy, but they want achievements with little effort. That's why WoW has been such a success over such a long time and that's why Dota and LoL are so popular: Because they are fucking easy to play. And if the game is played a lot, you get a lot of viewers to watch the tournaments (and additionally there are not that many LoL/Dota tournaments out there, so the market is not as saturated as in SC2), especially if you promote the streams ingame! in esports we have the players -> viewers dynamic, while in other sports it's more the other way around. And that is hurting SC2 atm! This Pretty Much SC > DOTA,LOL in mechanics and Excitement Plus a 45 min game in SC2 is sure to bring you loads of excitement whereas 60-70% of 45 min DOTA games are 1 sided stomps that get dragged out for far too long[See TI2] This in no way means that I'm shitting on DOTA or something...I like the game and play it way more than SC2 recently...But I would always watch a GSTL finals or a GSL code S finals over the International Finals if ever I had to choose that way. | ||
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how2TL
1197 Posts
On September 02 2012 23:54 pyro19 wrote: This Pretty Much SC > DOTA,LOL in mechanics and Excitement Plus a 45 min game in SC2 is sure to bring you loads of excitement whereas 60-70% of 45 min DOTA games are 1 sided stomps that get dragged out for far too long[See TI2] This in no way means that I'm shitting on DOTA or something...I like the game and play it way more than SC2 recently...But I would always watch a GSTL finals or a GSL code S finals over the International Finals if ever I had to choose that way. A majority of SC2 games are pretty one-sided too. Just deal with the fact that Marauders, Roaches, and Collosi are boring as fuck. Blame Blizzard. | ||
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TAMinator
Australia2706 Posts
Life strong showing in GSL, always top 25 GM in KR server. Dis gonna be good. | ||
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