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On August 27 2012 01:14 arie3000 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 01:11 Qwerty85 wrote:On August 27 2012 01:08 Random_Guy09 wrote:On August 27 2012 01:02 Tanngrisnir wrote:
I cant even take these tournaments seriously any more.
Revival did nothing to earn these victories... Hes behind and keeps A-moving in bad situations and just F F F F F F F fungal for the win.
That baneling attack was one of the worst I ever saw.
Yeah MarineKing could have won antiga if he had taken out the top left expansion. But the fact is he shouldnt even have needed that, He mined SO many more resources and completely outplayed Revival that game. However F F F F F F F fungal and win, Zerg has to do nothing special at all to beat great Terrans that are playing stunning games.
I want to see winning games actually requiring skill. This shit with infestors and fungal is so poorly designed by Blizzard.
Hopefully we wont see TaeJa fall victim to the same bullshit. Well to be fair MKP hasnt been playing like his usual self. Losing uncharactaristically to Trimaster in the open bracket. Losing to cloak banshee's etc. True. But from a terran perspective it is frustrating to see MKP killing 25-26 workers and the game is completely even. But when he lost 14 scv's he was so far behind that Revival could just send all those clumped banes through a choke on to the high ground vs. split terran army and win with a ling followup. I think he skipped SCVs to do this early pressure, I wouldn't call it 'all-in', but he spend so much resources in those hellions and banshees that he HAD to do damage. If he didn't do this pressure, he wouldn't be so far behind, since he could invest more in his economy... The rest (ling runby) was just sloppyness.
You are missing the point of the original post dude. It's just far easier to play ZvT than it is to play TvZ according to this guy. And I basically agree with him. The mistakes the zerg can make vs the mistakes the terran can make is so uneven. But hey, what do I know? Nothing. This isn't balance whine. It's effort whine  Personally I think TvZ is very balanced right now, just fucking boring. Imagine if TvZ had continued to evolve through marine tank vs muta ling bling. Positional wars and high APM wars. Instead of this marine tank into attempted raven viking transition vs infestor broodlord/ling infestor ultra. It's just not that fun to watch 
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Sheth vs Losira game 3
00:00 Coud Kingdom, Sheth spawning top right, Losira bottom left
02:00 Sheth going 15 pool, Losira 15 hatch
02:40 Losira's scouting drone blocking Sheth's hatch
03:00 Sheth finally gets his expansion down, Losira getting gas before pool as always
03:30 Losira evo blocking Sheth's building gas
03:50 Sheth cancels and moves extractor, Losira cancels and rebuilds evo chamber
04:40 Some sick micro as Sheth kills the evo chamber and dodges the broodlings with the drones
05:10 Sheth once again baneling nest before speed
05:20 Losira goes lair off of one gas with ling speed on the way
06:00 Sheth building defensive banes, droning up, Losira getting roach warren
07:00 Sheth getting three more extractors, Losira already has them, Losira builds spire
07:30 Sheth's lair finishing up, he's getting roach warren and evo, Losira lings get in and scouts Sheth's main
08:10 Sheth has not seen the spire, taking third
08:40 Sheth getting infestation pit, muta production is going on and Losira still on two bases
09:20 Lings attacking Sheth's building third as mutas are streaming across the map
09:45 Mutas hit Sheth's natural, he builds panic spores, queens pushing mutas back but Sheth losing third hatch
10:40 Sheth only lost 7 drones, apparently so did Losira in an attack no one saw
11:00 Losira now taking third, killing overlords on the map, holding map control, Sheth producing infestors and roaches
11:50 Sheth's third get canceled again because of lings
12:10 Sheth's third get denied again by mutas, Losira is pumping out roaches behind the harass
12:30 Mutas in Sheth's main, he gets one fungal on the muta pack but has no more infestors
12:50 Sheth now having lost 20 drones, Losira's third is established, Sheth's is now building
13:30 Sheth now finishing up +2 roach attack, Losira finishing up +1 and only now getting infestation pit but still lots of mutas on the map
14:00 Sheth adding hydra den but now 168 supply for Losira against 112 of Sheth
14:40 Losira now hitting Sheth's third with a ton of roaches
15:00 Losira's roaches hitting his natural at the same time but are cleaned up
15:30 Sheth keeps building roaches to push Losira back, Sheth by far has the infestor lead but Losira has 20 drones more
16:00 Small packs of roaches keep harrassing Sheth
16:30 Sheth now almost losing third to roaches
17:40 Losira now maxed with Sheth on 140 supply, Losira hits the natural
18:30 A superior roach number from Losira is pushed back by fungals but Sheth loses almost all drones at natural
19:00 Sheth has lost over 50 drones, Losira now getting infestors too
20:00 Losira on four bases against three, maxed against 107 of Sheth, 78 workers against 43
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I dunno what to think about sasquatch to me he doesnt seem like the kinda guy i would ever root for.
if he wins MLG (which i dont think will happen) i think ill be a little disappointed
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On August 27 2012 01:17 BobMcJohnson wrote:
Hellion vs Pheonix, standard TvP.
Tbf, I was expecting crazier things considering it's Heart and Alicia.
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nooo sheth good run though
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It is quite clear a lot of Terrans think they are having a hard time in TvZ. The majority who disagree are Protoss and Zerg players, 50% of which use "Taeja can win" or "MVP can win" for their point of view. Which is simply ridiculous. If MVP or Taeja played zerg or protoss do you think they would be bad no name ? No... because their individual player skill is very high. If they played zerg or protoss they would also be doing very well in SC2. People are not complaining for no reason.
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On August 27 2012 01:18 Vaftrudner wrote:
Sheth vs Losira game 3
00:00 Coud Kingdom, Sheth spawning top right, Losira bottom left
02:00 Sheth going 15 pool, Losira 15 hatch
02:40 Losira's scouting drone blocking Sheth's hatch
03:00 Sheth finally gets his expansion down, Losira getting gas before pool as always
03:30 Losira evo blocking Sheth's building gas
03:50 Sheth cancels and moves extractor, Losira cancels and rebuilds evo chamber
04:40 Some sick micro as Sheth kills the evo chamber and dodges the broodlings with the drones
05:10 Sheth once again baneling nest before speed
05:20 Losira goes lair off of one gas with ling speed on the way
06:00 Sheth building defensive banes, droning up, Losira getting roach warren
07:00 Sheth getting three more extractors, Losira already has them, Losira builds spire
07:30 Sheth's lair finishing up, he's getting roach warren and evo, Losira lings get in and scouts Sheth's main
08:10 Sheth has not seen the spire, taking third
08:40 Sheth getting infestation pit, muta production is going on and Losira still on two bases
09:20 Lings attacking Sheth's building third as mutas are streaming across the map
09:45 Mutas hit Sheth's natural, he builds panic spores, queens pushing mutas back but Sheth losing third hatch
10:40 Sheth only lost 7 drones, apparently so did Losira in an attack no one saw
11:00 Losira now taking third, killing overlords on the map, holding map control, Sheth producing infestors and roaches
11:50 Sheth's third get canceled again because of lings
12:10 Sheth's third get denied again by mutas, Losira is pumping out roaches behind the harass
12:30 Mutas in Sheth's main, he gets one fungal on the muta pack but has no more infestors
12:50 Sheth now having lost 20 drones, Losira's third is established, Sheth's is now building
13:30 Sheth now finishing up +2 roach attack, Losira finishing up +1 and only now getting infestation pit but still lots of mutas on the map
14:00 Sheth adding hydra den but now 168 supply for Losira against 112 of Sheth
14:40 Losira now hitting Sheth's third with a ton of roaches
15:00 Losira's roaches hitting his natural at the same time but are cleaned up
15:30 Sheth keeps building roaches to push Losira back, Sheth by far has the infestor lead but Losira has 20 drones more
16:00 Small packs of roaches keep harrassing Sheth
16:30 Sheth now almost losing third to roaches
17:40 Losira now maxed with Sheth on 140 supply, Losira hits the natural
18:30 A superior roach number from Losira is pushed back by fungals but Sheth loses almost all drones at natural
19:00 Sheth has lost over 50 drones, Losira now getting infestors too
20:00 Losira on four bases against three, maxed against 107 of Sheth, 78 workers against 43
21:00 Losira pushing into Sheth's third with vastly superior roach number and kills Sheth's army, Sheth GGs and wishes Losira good luck in the tournament.
Losira - Sheth 2-1
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On August 27 2012 01:13 trinxified wrote:
Who's Daisy? I've never seen him before... A korean too?
Korean Protoss playing for the German team ESC and living in Berlin, Germany.
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Ah, screw it. Can't watch in any browser :/
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Still, I would like for Zergs to stop saying Ultralisks are bad. I have seen SO many games where the Zerg is behind on bases and 30+ supply, but land a few fungals and just a move with their ultralisks, through sieged tank volleys, and bulldoze everything. They are good high tech units like Broodlords. If your opponent isn't prepared perfectly for them you win.
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On August 27 2012 01:04 Sipher wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 01:02 Vaftrudner wrote:
25:00 Both moving around the map looking for positions, Losira getting a nydus network
25:30 Sheth starting greater spire
25:50 A nydus worms appears in Sheth's main
26:20 A ton of infestors move into Sheth's main through nydus, covering everything in infested terrans
27:00 Sheth loses his entire main but the greater spire was not there, he's building brood lords now though
27:40 Losira moving in with roaces, killing Sheth's fifth, now four bases against four
28:30 Sheth moving out with brood lords in front but they are caught by hydra infestor army
29:00 Big fight outside Sheth's fourth, infested terrans vs hydras, Sheth loses a lot, Losira reinforcing better
30:00 Sheth only now rebuilding main and fifth and his tech structures, Losira getting greater spire
30:30 Sheth has taken a sixth on Losira's side of the map, loses it immediately to hydras
31:20 Sheth has 176 supply to 193 but with a big bank and Losira has not macrod well enough to overrun him
32:00 Both players morphing brood lords, fairly equal armies with hydra infestor brood lords
32:20 The armies meet in the middle, Sheth gets infestors fungaled, throws out tons of infested terrans, a lot of losses for both, Sheth pulls back
33:00 Sheth reinforces with roaches, killing most hydras
33:30 Losira's brood lords moving into Sheth's fourth, Sheth moving around with a roach counterattack
34:00 Sheth hitting Losira's fourth, lot of hydras and spines killed
34:20 The brood lords at Sheth's fourth are killed by corruptors
34:50 engagements all over the map, supply now 150 each
35:30 They both harass and counterattack but most of Sheth's bank is burned through
36:00 Sheth now almost maxed against 154 supply, mostly on roaches and corruptors
36:50 One brood lord hits Sheth's fifth, a ton of roaches hit Losira's fifth
37:20 Losira loses fifth and Losira is down to 100 supply
37:45 Sheth moving his spine crawlers offensively against Losira's fourth
38:20 Losira on 95 supply against 123, the brood lord still killing workers at Sheth's fifth, no anti air there
39:00 Losira mined out on all bases, Sheth has only one mining base, his fifth
39:30 Small roach pack for Losira attacks Sheth's fourth, is chased away into the natural, into the main, there's nothing there, Losira GGs Thanks for the updates!
Seconded, great LR for those without the premium tickets !!
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On August 27 2012 01:18 Artimo wrote:I dunno what to think about sasquatch to me he doesnt seem like the kinda guy i would ever root for. if he wins MLG (which i dont think will happen) i think ill be a little disappointed
tbh he hasn't even had an impressive run.
He was directly seeded into groups, defeated two foreigners, was 2-0'd by the likes of Daisy and hasn't played since.
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On August 27 2012 01:19 krutopatkin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 01:13 trinxified wrote:
Who's Daisy? I've never seen him before... A korean too? Korean Protoss playing for the German team ESC and living in Berlin, Germany.
Who used to be on Prime.
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yay Losira!
hard to root against Sheth, but the CatZerg just has a better chance to go far :/
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On August 27 2012 01:14 arie3000 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 01:11 Qwerty85 wrote:On August 27 2012 01:08 Random_Guy09 wrote:On August 27 2012 01:02 Tanngrisnir wrote:
I cant even take these tournaments seriously any more.
Revival did nothing to earn these victories... Hes behind and keeps A-moving in bad situations and just F F F F F F F fungal for the win.
That baneling attack was one of the worst I ever saw.
Yeah MarineKing could have won antiga if he had taken out the top left expansion. But the fact is he shouldnt even have needed that, He mined SO many more resources and completely outplayed Revival that game. However F F F F F F F fungal and win, Zerg has to do nothing special at all to beat great Terrans that are playing stunning games.
I want to see winning games actually requiring skill. This shit with infestors and fungal is so poorly designed by Blizzard.
Hopefully we wont see TaeJa fall victim to the same bullshit. Well to be fair MKP hasnt been playing like his usual self. Losing uncharactaristically to Trimaster in the open bracket. Losing to cloak banshee's etc. True. But from a terran perspective it is frustrating to see MKP killing 25-26 workers and the game is completely even. But when he lost 14 scv's he was so far behind that Revival could just send all those clumped banes through a choke on to the high ground vs. split terran army and win with a ling followup. I think he skipped SCVs to do this early pressure, I wouldn't call it 'all-in', but he spend so much resources in those hellions and banshees that he HAD to do damage. If he didn't do this pressure, he wouldn't be so far behind, since he could invest more in his economy... The rest (ling runby) was just sloppyness.
They showed worker tab just after that attack. It was 47 drones to 44 scv's + mules for MKP and third almost finished (or even already done, not sure about that though...) Going for those banshees and helions is basically a standard thing these days, hardly all-inish.
On August 27 2012 01:15 MangoMountain wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 01:11 Qwerty85 wrote:
True. But from a terran perspective it is frustrating to see MKP killing 25-26 workers and the game is completely even. But when he lost 14 scv's he was so far behind that Revival could just send all those clumped banes through a choke on to the high ground vs. split terran army and win with a ling followup. Games aren't decided only by which player kills more workers, and regardless of how much people want to believe otherwise comebacks actually do happen in this game
That was not the point. The point is that both of them did a mistake of letting those units in. The difference is MKP died because of it, Revival was still playing an even game, he didn't even need to attack into MKP. But he did and he did it very sloppy but it still turned out great for him.
As I said, it is frustrating to watch such a game from terran player's perspective.
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On August 27 2012 01:06 BoxingKangaroo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 01:05 xrapture wrote:On August 27 2012 01:02 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 27 2012 01:00 xrapture wrote:On August 27 2012 00:57 Animzor wrote:
Too many boring random Koreans in the groups. They have no personality at all, they are basically the same person. dear god... don't start with this shit lol. You're probably the kind of person that say Destiny and idra have personality. and you're probably the kind of person that denies it lol Destiny calling every person that beats him a faggot = personality MKP crying when he all kills in GSTL= boring korean Beating up strawmen is fun.
Makes me sick that tournaments lose a lot of viewers just because there's no white dudes left. Are you trying to send the message that Koreans aren't good to invite to our tournaments? That's the message it sends, why would tournaments reach out to invite Koreans when it hurts their viewer count overall? Make an effort to learn about a couple Koreans personalities and they won't all be "the same person".
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im so hyped about the next few matches
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MrBitter: "i love zvz, because of, uhh,... uhh..."
Starts to realize that the matchup kinda sucks.
"uhhh, because of the nice metagame"
Way to hype it up^^
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