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On August 24 2012 21:54 ladyumbra wrote:
Do we really have to start the gom vs kespa players argument again , can't we just be happy with the great series we just watched? I like both games, I cheer for players and teams I like from both scenes and it's frustrating as fuck to feel like I should have to be taking sides and declaring allegiance every time I set foot into a LR thread. I don't mind when the players do it, hell the trash talk at the osl group selections was great but that's mostly meant in good fun. Half the time here it feels like other posters actually think the players they are biased against are lesser human beings or something.
Yes, and I even enjoy it -- seeing BW players kicking some SC2 ass is our vengeance for the end of BW era, which was brought upon us. Not by Gom or poor Gom players but by the system, gaming industry and other shit. So in comparison with that this human weakness is just a pink little bunny. Moreover, you know, many old-timers here are secretly wishing it. Don't be so naive, the argument has much deeper roots.
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Wow, Creator eliminated both Rain and Roro? Beast.
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what the fuck..
RORO BEAT GSL CODE S CHAMPION SEED?!
fuuuck
yay Squirtle
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On August 24 2012 21:49 letian wrote:
Kespa transitioning to SC2 full time shall make a lot of players return to school, lol
So the best Elephants got beat by a 15 year old who lost in Ro32 in Code S last season? WTF? I thought Kespa players were supposed to be good? Where is TBLS?
Creator has probably been playing RTS for like 2-3 year? Yet kespa pros who practiced for 14 hours per day for 5-6 years are LOSING?
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On August 25 2012 01:23 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 21:49 letian wrote:
Kespa transitioning to SC2 full time shall make a lot of players return to school, lol So the best Elephants got beat by a 15 year old who lost in Ro32 in Code S last season? WTF? I thought Kespa players were supposed to be good? Where is TBLS? Creator has probably been playing RTS for like 2-3 year? Yet kespa pros who practiced for 14 hours per day for 5-6 years are LOSING?
But the guy who won Code S last season lost to an elephant. I guess even the best player in Code S is not good enough.
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On August 25 2012 01:33 Squeegy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 01:23 vthree wrote:On August 24 2012 21:49 letian wrote:
Kespa transitioning to SC2 full time shall make a lot of players return to school, lol So the best Elephants got beat by a 15 year old who lost in Ro32 in Code S last season? WTF? I thought Kespa players were supposed to be good? Where is TBLS? Creator has probably been playing RTS for like 2-3 year? Yet kespa pros who practiced for 14 hours per day for 5-6 years are LOSING? But the guy who won Code S last season lost to an elephant. I guess even the best player in Code S is not good enough.
lol, I guess my post went over your head. I am trying to make the point that you can't base everything off 1 series/tournament. I am happy Kespa players are doing well. But GSL champ losing to Kespa doesn't mean Kespa > ESF Players or vice versa. Seed also lost to Hack in the WCG qualifiers. Flash lost to M18M in PL. I am just trying to show you can make 'facts' very biased. Goody beat MMA.... Naniwa beat Nestea and Mvp back to back (they had 6 GSLs between them at that point)... How else would you explain a 15 year old (Creator) pwning seasoned RTS pros like Rain and Roro who were the best Kespa could offer?
Btw, I think Seed was jetlagged and saving his builds for WCS Asia and WCS Global.
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On August 25 2012 01:37 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 01:33 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 01:23 vthree wrote:On August 24 2012 21:49 letian wrote:
Kespa transitioning to SC2 full time shall make a lot of players return to school, lol So the best Elephants got beat by a 15 year old who lost in Ro32 in Code S last season? WTF? I thought Kespa players were supposed to be good? Where is TBLS? Creator has probably been playing RTS for like 2-3 year? Yet kespa pros who practiced for 14 hours per day for 5-6 years are LOSING? But the guy who won Code S last season lost to an elephant. I guess even the best player in Code S is not good enough. lol, I guess my post went over your head. I am trying to make the point that you can't base everything off 1 series. I am happy players are doing well. But GSL champ losing to Kespa doesn't mean Kespa > ESF Players or vice versa. I am just trying to show you can make 'facts' very biased. Goody beat MMA.... Naniwa beat Nestea and Mvp back to back (they had 6 GSLs between them at that point)... How else would you explain a 15 year old (Creator) pwning seasoned RTS pros like Rain and Roro who were the best Kespa could offer? Btw, I think Seed was jetlagged and saving his builds for WCS Asia and WCS Global.
Yes, generally when people mean something else than they say, then they are misunderstood. Of course, his point wasn't either that Kespa > GSL because of Roro beating Seed. His point is that Kespa is only going to better. Much better. And Kespa is already, quite frankly, on GSL level.
How would I explain it? Easy. Creator despite being young, is actually, and unsurprisingly, far more experienced SC2 player than Roro or Sun. I find it funny that you're implying RTS experience os better than SC2 experience in a situation like this
I think Roro was saving his strategies for PL. And he also isn't used to having play two matches in a day.
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On August 25 2012 01:56 Squeegy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 01:37 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 01:33 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 01:23 vthree wrote:On August 24 2012 21:49 letian wrote:
Kespa transitioning to SC2 full time shall make a lot of players return to school, lol So the best Elephants got beat by a 15 year old who lost in Ro32 in Code S last season? WTF? I thought Kespa players were supposed to be good? Where is TBLS? Creator has probably been playing RTS for like 2-3 year? Yet kespa pros who practiced for 14 hours per day for 5-6 years are LOSING? But the guy who won Code S last season lost to an elephant. I guess even the best player in Code S is not good enough. lol, I guess my post went over your head. I am trying to make the point that you can't base everything off 1 series. I am happy players are doing well. But GSL champ losing to Kespa doesn't mean Kespa > ESF Players or vice versa. I am just trying to show you can make 'facts' very biased. Goody beat MMA.... Naniwa beat Nestea and Mvp back to back (they had 6 GSLs between them at that point)... How else would you explain a 15 year old (Creator) pwning seasoned RTS pros like Rain and Roro who were the best Kespa could offer? Btw, I think Seed was jetlagged and saving his builds for WCS Asia and WCS Global. Yes, generally when people mean something else than they say, then they are misunderstood. Of course, his point wasn't either that Kespa > GSL because of Roro beating Seed. His point is that Kespa is only going to better. Much better. And Kespa is already, quite frankly, on GSL level. How would I explain it? Easy. Creator despite being young, is actually, and unsurprisingly, far more experienced SC2 player than Roro or Sun. I find it funny that you're implying RTS experience os better than SC2 experience in a situation like this I think Roro was saving his strategies for PL. And he also isn't used to having play two matches in a day.
Aren't all the players left in WCS a GSL players? It should be about equal if Kespa's players are as good as GSL in general. There's only few kespa players that standout.
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On August 25 2012 01:56 Squeegy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 01:37 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 01:33 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 01:23 vthree wrote:On August 24 2012 21:49 letian wrote:
Kespa transitioning to SC2 full time shall make a lot of players return to school, lol So the best Elephants got beat by a 15 year old who lost in Ro32 in Code S last season? WTF? I thought Kespa players were supposed to be good? Where is TBLS? Creator has probably been playing RTS for like 2-3 year? Yet kespa pros who practiced for 14 hours per day for 5-6 years are LOSING? But the guy who won Code S last season lost to an elephant. I guess even the best player in Code S is not good enough. lol, I guess my post went over your head. I am trying to make the point that you can't base everything off 1 series. I am happy players are doing well. But GSL champ losing to Kespa doesn't mean Kespa > ESF Players or vice versa. I am just trying to show you can make 'facts' very biased. Goody beat MMA.... Naniwa beat Nestea and Mvp back to back (they had 6 GSLs between them at that point)... How else would you explain a 15 year old (Creator) pwning seasoned RTS pros like Rain and Roro who were the best Kespa could offer? Btw, I think Seed was jetlagged and saving his builds for WCS Asia and WCS Global. Yes, generally when people mean something else than they say, then they are misunderstood. Of course, his point wasn't either that Kespa > GSL because of Roro beating Seed. His point is that Kespa is only going to better. Much better. And Kespa is already, quite frankly, on GSL level. How would I explain it? Easy. Creator despite being young, is actually, and unsurprisingly, far more experienced SC2 player than Roro or Sun. I find it funny that you're implying RTS experience os better than SC2 experience in a situation like this I think Roro was saving his strategies for PL. And he also isn't used to having play two matches in a day.
sarcasm...
Since M18M beat Flash in PL last season, it was obvious that B-teamers were catching up to TBLS. TBLS is lucky they transition to SC2 or they would have to wash dishes.
How is Kespa on GSL level when only Reality made it through the qualifiers? You can say the top Kespa players (the fast adapting ones) are Code A/S level. But overall, I think ESF players are stronger than Kespa. Of course, with time, they will catch up.
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On August 25 2012 02:02 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 01:56 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 01:37 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 01:33 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 01:23 vthree wrote:On August 24 2012 21:49 letian wrote:
Kespa transitioning to SC2 full time shall make a lot of players return to school, lol So the best Elephants got beat by a 15 year old who lost in Ro32 in Code S last season? WTF? I thought Kespa players were supposed to be good? Where is TBLS? Creator has probably been playing RTS for like 2-3 year? Yet kespa pros who practiced for 14 hours per day for 5-6 years are LOSING? But the guy who won Code S last season lost to an elephant. I guess even the best player in Code S is not good enough. lol, I guess my post went over your head. I am trying to make the point that you can't base everything off 1 series. I am happy players are doing well. But GSL champ losing to Kespa doesn't mean Kespa > ESF Players or vice versa. I am just trying to show you can make 'facts' very biased. Goody beat MMA.... Naniwa beat Nestea and Mvp back to back (they had 6 GSLs between them at that point)... How else would you explain a 15 year old (Creator) pwning seasoned RTS pros like Rain and Roro who were the best Kespa could offer? Btw, I think Seed was jetlagged and saving his builds for WCS Asia and WCS Global. Yes, generally when people mean something else than they say, then they are misunderstood. Of course, his point wasn't either that Kespa > GSL because of Roro beating Seed. His point is that Kespa is only going to better. Much better. And Kespa is already, quite frankly, on GSL level. How would I explain it? Easy. Creator despite being young, is actually, and unsurprisingly, far more experienced SC2 player than Roro or Sun. I find it funny that you're implying RTS experience os better than SC2 experience in a situation like this I think Roro was saving his strategies for PL. And he also isn't used to having play two matches in a day. sarcasm... Since M18M beat Flash in PL last season, it was obvious that B-teamers were catching up to TBLS. TBLS is lucky they transition to SC2 or they would have to wash dishes.
Keep treading on those landmines buddy, you are dodging assaults and chickenning out.
If they didn't transition into SC2, they would still be playing Brood War and would definitely be rockstars once again.
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On August 25 2012 02:07 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 02:02 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 01:56 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 01:37 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 01:33 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 01:23 vthree wrote:On August 24 2012 21:49 letian wrote:
Kespa transitioning to SC2 full time shall make a lot of players return to school, lol So the best Elephants got beat by a 15 year old who lost in Ro32 in Code S last season? WTF? I thought Kespa players were supposed to be good? Where is TBLS? Creator has probably been playing RTS for like 2-3 year? Yet kespa pros who practiced for 14 hours per day for 5-6 years are LOSING? But the guy who won Code S last season lost to an elephant. I guess even the best player in Code S is not good enough. lol, I guess my post went over your head. I am trying to make the point that you can't base everything off 1 series. I am happy players are doing well. But GSL champ losing to Kespa doesn't mean Kespa > ESF Players or vice versa. I am just trying to show you can make 'facts' very biased. Goody beat MMA.... Naniwa beat Nestea and Mvp back to back (they had 6 GSLs between them at that point)... How else would you explain a 15 year old (Creator) pwning seasoned RTS pros like Rain and Roro who were the best Kespa could offer? Btw, I think Seed was jetlagged and saving his builds for WCS Asia and WCS Global. Yes, generally when people mean something else than they say, then they are misunderstood. Of course, his point wasn't either that Kespa > GSL because of Roro beating Seed. His point is that Kespa is only going to better. Much better. And Kespa is already, quite frankly, on GSL level. How would I explain it? Easy. Creator despite being young, is actually, and unsurprisingly, far more experienced SC2 player than Roro or Sun. I find it funny that you're implying RTS experience os better than SC2 experience in a situation like this I think Roro was saving his strategies for PL. And he also isn't used to having play two matches in a day. sarcasm... Since M18M beat Flash in PL last season, it was obvious that B-teamers were catching up to TBLS. TBLS is lucky they transition to SC2 or they would have to wash dishes. Keep treading on those landmines buddy, you are dodging assaults and chickenning out. If they didn't transition into SC2, they would still be playing Brood War and would definitely be rockstars once again.
lol, WHY did they transition to SC2? Because BW was DYING... Not necesarily to SC2 but things like LoL (which is already getting a big Korean following).
Dodging assaults? I think you are taking this too seriously.
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On August 25 2012 02:09 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 02:07 Xiphos wrote:On August 25 2012 02:02 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 01:56 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 01:37 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 01:33 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 01:23 vthree wrote:On August 24 2012 21:49 letian wrote:
Kespa transitioning to SC2 full time shall make a lot of players return to school, lol So the best Elephants got beat by a 15 year old who lost in Ro32 in Code S last season? WTF? I thought Kespa players were supposed to be good? Where is TBLS? Creator has probably been playing RTS for like 2-3 year? Yet kespa pros who practiced for 14 hours per day for 5-6 years are LOSING? But the guy who won Code S last season lost to an elephant. I guess even the best player in Code S is not good enough. lol, I guess my post went over your head. I am trying to make the point that you can't base everything off 1 series. I am happy players are doing well. But GSL champ losing to Kespa doesn't mean Kespa > ESF Players or vice versa. I am just trying to show you can make 'facts' very biased. Goody beat MMA.... Naniwa beat Nestea and Mvp back to back (they had 6 GSLs between them at that point)... How else would you explain a 15 year old (Creator) pwning seasoned RTS pros like Rain and Roro who were the best Kespa could offer? Btw, I think Seed was jetlagged and saving his builds for WCS Asia and WCS Global. Yes, generally when people mean something else than they say, then they are misunderstood. Of course, his point wasn't either that Kespa > GSL because of Roro beating Seed. His point is that Kespa is only going to better. Much better. And Kespa is already, quite frankly, on GSL level. How would I explain it? Easy. Creator despite being young, is actually, and unsurprisingly, far more experienced SC2 player than Roro or Sun. I find it funny that you're implying RTS experience os better than SC2 experience in a situation like this I think Roro was saving his strategies for PL. And he also isn't used to having play two matches in a day. sarcasm... Since M18M beat Flash in PL last season, it was obvious that B-teamers were catching up to TBLS. TBLS is lucky they transition to SC2 or they would have to wash dishes. Keep treading on those landmines buddy, you are dodging assaults and chickenning out. If they didn't transition into SC2, they would still be playing Brood War and would definitely be rockstars once again. lol, WHY did they transition to SC2? Because BW was DYING...
and what an artificial death it was. Interest in BW was certainly not dying.
On topic: seed got ROROLLLLLLLLLLLED
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On August 25 2012 02:09 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 02:07 Xiphos wrote:On August 25 2012 02:02 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 01:56 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 01:37 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 01:33 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 01:23 vthree wrote:On August 24 2012 21:49 letian wrote:
Kespa transitioning to SC2 full time shall make a lot of players return to school, lol So the best Elephants got beat by a 15 year old who lost in Ro32 in Code S last season? WTF? I thought Kespa players were supposed to be good? Where is TBLS? Creator has probably been playing RTS for like 2-3 year? Yet kespa pros who practiced for 14 hours per day for 5-6 years are LOSING? But the guy who won Code S last season lost to an elephant. I guess even the best player in Code S is not good enough. lol, I guess my post went over your head. I am trying to make the point that you can't base everything off 1 series. I am happy players are doing well. But GSL champ losing to Kespa doesn't mean Kespa > ESF Players or vice versa. I am just trying to show you can make 'facts' very biased. Goody beat MMA.... Naniwa beat Nestea and Mvp back to back (they had 6 GSLs between them at that point)... How else would you explain a 15 year old (Creator) pwning seasoned RTS pros like Rain and Roro who were the best Kespa could offer? Btw, I think Seed was jetlagged and saving his builds for WCS Asia and WCS Global. Yes, generally when people mean something else than they say, then they are misunderstood. Of course, his point wasn't either that Kespa > GSL because of Roro beating Seed. His point is that Kespa is only going to better. Much better. And Kespa is already, quite frankly, on GSL level. How would I explain it? Easy. Creator despite being young, is actually, and unsurprisingly, far more experienced SC2 player than Roro or Sun. I find it funny that you're implying RTS experience os better than SC2 experience in a situation like this I think Roro was saving his strategies for PL. And he also isn't used to having play two matches in a day. sarcasm... Since M18M beat Flash in PL last season, it was obvious that B-teamers were catching up to TBLS. TBLS is lucky they transition to SC2 or they would have to wash dishes. Keep treading on those landmines buddy, you are dodging assaults and chickenning out. If they didn't transition into SC2, they would still be playing Brood War and would definitely be rockstars once again. lol, WHY did they transition to SC2? Because BW was DYING... Not necesarily to SC2 but things like LoL (which is already getting a big Korean following).
Nah man learn your facts buddy and then we'll talk.
Brood War's OSL stadium (even before they announced the last BW OSL) was tightly packed.
Prior to this season's frankenstein hybrid league, ProLeague was filled out with them having need to adjust their venues to have more chairs and it was many time in the top viewership on television.
And the JinAir OSL finals had over 10 million international viewers on stream.
Comparing to StarCraft 2 for GSL that have barely 50 people live on stage.
Kespa was 'bought' out by Blizzard to stop broadcasting Brood War because Mike M was affraid of League of Legend growing too rampant and have to urge Kespa to switch to StarCraft 2 or else the scene crumbles.
Now the only thing that BW could be improved is their model of sponsorship.
See StarCraft 2 is supported by Pay to View and Blizzard's sponsorship money while BW is solely based on other company to sponsor the leagues (which by the way had a CEO lining up to pay TWICE the amount of price money to keep Brood War going to which Kespa had to deny).
P.S. I may be serious but at the end of the day, you will be looking as the stupid one.
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Creator is the next best player in the world. It's been foretold by the stars. Creator > Roro > Seed. I rest my case.
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On August 25 2012 02:17 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 02:09 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 02:07 Xiphos wrote:On August 25 2012 02:02 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 01:56 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 01:37 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 01:33 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 01:23 vthree wrote:On August 24 2012 21:49 letian wrote:
Kespa transitioning to SC2 full time shall make a lot of players return to school, lol So the best Elephants got beat by a 15 year old who lost in Ro32 in Code S last season? WTF? I thought Kespa players were supposed to be good? Where is TBLS? Creator has probably been playing RTS for like 2-3 year? Yet kespa pros who practiced for 14 hours per day for 5-6 years are LOSING? But the guy who won Code S last season lost to an elephant. I guess even the best player in Code S is not good enough. lol, I guess my post went over your head. I am trying to make the point that you can't base everything off 1 series. I am happy players are doing well. But GSL champ losing to Kespa doesn't mean Kespa > ESF Players or vice versa. I am just trying to show you can make 'facts' very biased. Goody beat MMA.... Naniwa beat Nestea and Mvp back to back (they had 6 GSLs between them at that point)... How else would you explain a 15 year old (Creator) pwning seasoned RTS pros like Rain and Roro who were the best Kespa could offer? Btw, I think Seed was jetlagged and saving his builds for WCS Asia and WCS Global. Yes, generally when people mean something else than they say, then they are misunderstood. Of course, his point wasn't either that Kespa > GSL because of Roro beating Seed. His point is that Kespa is only going to better. Much better. And Kespa is already, quite frankly, on GSL level. How would I explain it? Easy. Creator despite being young, is actually, and unsurprisingly, far more experienced SC2 player than Roro or Sun. I find it funny that you're implying RTS experience os better than SC2 experience in a situation like this I think Roro was saving his strategies for PL. And he also isn't used to having play two matches in a day. sarcasm... Since M18M beat Flash in PL last season, it was obvious that B-teamers were catching up to TBLS. TBLS is lucky they transition to SC2 or they would have to wash dishes. Keep treading on those landmines buddy, you are dodging assaults and chickenning out. If they didn't transition into SC2, they would still be playing Brood War and would definitely be rockstars once again. lol, WHY did they transition to SC2? Because BW was DYING... Not necesarily to SC2 but things like LoL (which is already getting a big Korean following). Nah man learn your facts buddy and then we'll talk. Brood War's OSL stadium (even before they announced the last BW OSL) was tightly packed. Prior to this season's frankenstein hybrid league, ProLeague was filled out with them having need to adjust their venues to have more chairs and it was many time in the top viewership on television. And the JinAir OSL finals had over 10 million international viewers on stream. Comparing to StarCraft 2 for GSL that have barely 50 people live on stage. Kespa was 'bought' out by Blizzard to stop broadcasting Brood War because Mike M was affraid of League of Legend growing too rampant and have to urge Kespa to switch to StarCraft 2 or else the scene crumbles. Now the only thing that BW could be improved is their model of sponsorship. See StarCraft 2 is supported by Pay to View and Blizzard's sponsorship money while BW is solely based on other company to sponsor the leagues (which by the way had a CEO lining up to pay TWICE the amount of price money to keep Brood War going to which Kespa had to deny). P.S. I may be serious but at the end of the day, you will be looking as the stupid one.
If what you say is true, why didn't Team 8 have a sponsor?
And the 10 million for JinAir was mainly Chinese... Do you know the number for DoTA in China? Like I said, the threat was not from SC2, it was from LoL and DoTA...
And I am not sure why you are manipulating facts. You mentioned JinAir OSL finals while you highlight GSL with barely 50 people live. I know OSL has more fans in korea, but why try to paint GSL as something with 50 people. There was a lot of people for GSTL finals (still less than PL). But trying to find the most extreme cases for your data is not really helping your arguement.
I actually follow both BW and SC2. My post was mainly to point out that we shouldn't extract or forecast too soon from a few series. Kespa players are improving very quickly and catching up to GSL players as seen in WCS. But if we were to be fair, shouldn't we take the WCS qualifier results as well? We should not cherry pick data just to prove our own viewpoints. EU also had a better win rate vs KR in the last MLG. Does that mean EU >KR?
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On August 25 2012 02:35 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 02:17 Xiphos wrote:On August 25 2012 02:09 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 02:07 Xiphos wrote:On August 25 2012 02:02 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 01:56 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 01:37 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 01:33 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 01:23 vthree wrote:On August 24 2012 21:49 letian wrote:
Kespa transitioning to SC2 full time shall make a lot of players return to school, lol So the best Elephants got beat by a 15 year old who lost in Ro32 in Code S last season? WTF? I thought Kespa players were supposed to be good? Where is TBLS? Creator has probably been playing RTS for like 2-3 year? Yet kespa pros who practiced for 14 hours per day for 5-6 years are LOSING? But the guy who won Code S last season lost to an elephant. I guess even the best player in Code S is not good enough. lol, I guess my post went over your head. I am trying to make the point that you can't base everything off 1 series. I am happy players are doing well. But GSL champ losing to Kespa doesn't mean Kespa > ESF Players or vice versa. I am just trying to show you can make 'facts' very biased. Goody beat MMA.... Naniwa beat Nestea and Mvp back to back (they had 6 GSLs between them at that point)... How else would you explain a 15 year old (Creator) pwning seasoned RTS pros like Rain and Roro who were the best Kespa could offer? Btw, I think Seed was jetlagged and saving his builds for WCS Asia and WCS Global. Yes, generally when people mean something else than they say, then they are misunderstood. Of course, his point wasn't either that Kespa > GSL because of Roro beating Seed. His point is that Kespa is only going to better. Much better. And Kespa is already, quite frankly, on GSL level. How would I explain it? Easy. Creator despite being young, is actually, and unsurprisingly, far more experienced SC2 player than Roro or Sun. I find it funny that you're implying RTS experience os better than SC2 experience in a situation like this I think Roro was saving his strategies for PL. And he also isn't used to having play two matches in a day. sarcasm... Since M18M beat Flash in PL last season, it was obvious that B-teamers were catching up to TBLS. TBLS is lucky they transition to SC2 or they would have to wash dishes. Keep treading on those landmines buddy, you are dodging assaults and chickenning out. If they didn't transition into SC2, they would still be playing Brood War and would definitely be rockstars once again. lol, WHY did they transition to SC2? Because BW was DYING... Not necesarily to SC2 but things like LoL (which is already getting a big Korean following). Nah man learn your facts buddy and then we'll talk. Brood War's OSL stadium (even before they announced the last BW OSL) was tightly packed. Prior to this season's frankenstein hybrid league, ProLeague was filled out with them having need to adjust their venues to have more chairs and it was many time in the top viewership on television. And the JinAir OSL finals had over 10 million international viewers on stream. Comparing to StarCraft 2 for GSL that have barely 50 people live on stage. Kespa was 'bought' out by Blizzard to stop broadcasting Brood War because Mike M was affraid of League of Legend growing too rampant and have to urge Kespa to switch to StarCraft 2 or else the scene crumbles. Now the only thing that BW could be improved is their model of sponsorship. See StarCraft 2 is supported by Pay to View and Blizzard's sponsorship money while BW is solely based on other company to sponsor the leagues (which by the way had a CEO lining up to pay TWICE the amount of price money to keep Brood War going to which Kespa had to deny). P.S. I may be serious but at the end of the day, you will be looking as the stupid one. If what you say is true, why didn't Team 8 have a sponsor?
Kespa negotiated with the aforementioned sponsor to sponsor Team 8, he said "Not unless they play Brood War" and the whole deal fell in oblivion.
And beside Team 8 was doing absolutely abysmal. Anyone with a half a business brain would most definitely not to invest in a such volatile stock.
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On August 25 2012 02:38 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 02:35 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 02:17 Xiphos wrote:On August 25 2012 02:09 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 02:07 Xiphos wrote:On August 25 2012 02:02 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 01:56 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 01:37 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 01:33 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 01:23 vthree wrote:
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So the best Elephants got beat by a 15 year old who lost in Ro32 in Code S last season? WTF? I thought Kespa players were supposed to be good? Where is TBLS?
Creator has probably been playing RTS for like 2-3 year? Yet kespa pros who practiced for 14 hours per day for 5-6 years are LOSING? But the guy who won Code S last season lost to an elephant. I guess even the best player in Code S is not good enough. lol, I guess my post went over your head. I am trying to make the point that you can't base everything off 1 series. I am happy players are doing well. But GSL champ losing to Kespa doesn't mean Kespa > ESF Players or vice versa. I am just trying to show you can make 'facts' very biased. Goody beat MMA.... Naniwa beat Nestea and Mvp back to back (they had 6 GSLs between them at that point)... How else would you explain a 15 year old (Creator) pwning seasoned RTS pros like Rain and Roro who were the best Kespa could offer? Btw, I think Seed was jetlagged and saving his builds for WCS Asia and WCS Global. Yes, generally when people mean something else than they say, then they are misunderstood. Of course, his point wasn't either that Kespa > GSL because of Roro beating Seed. His point is that Kespa is only going to better. Much better. And Kespa is already, quite frankly, on GSL level. How would I explain it? Easy. Creator despite being young, is actually, and unsurprisingly, far more experienced SC2 player than Roro or Sun. I find it funny that you're implying RTS experience os better than SC2 experience in a situation like this I think Roro was saving his strategies for PL. And he also isn't used to having play two matches in a day. sarcasm... Since M18M beat Flash in PL last season, it was obvious that B-teamers were catching up to TBLS. TBLS is lucky they transition to SC2 or they would have to wash dishes. Keep treading on those landmines buddy, you are dodging assaults and chickenning out. If they didn't transition into SC2, they would still be playing Brood War and would definitely be rockstars once again. lol, WHY did they transition to SC2? Because BW was DYING... Not necesarily to SC2 but things like LoL (which is already getting a big Korean following). Nah man learn your facts buddy and then we'll talk. Brood War's OSL stadium (even before they announced the last BW OSL) was tightly packed. Prior to this season's frankenstein hybrid league, ProLeague was filled out with them having need to adjust their venues to have more chairs and it was many time in the top viewership on television. And the JinAir OSL finals had over 10 million international viewers on stream. Comparing to StarCraft 2 for GSL that have barely 50 people live on stage. Kespa was 'bought' out by Blizzard to stop broadcasting Brood War because Mike M was affraid of League of Legend growing too rampant and have to urge Kespa to switch to StarCraft 2 or else the scene crumbles. Now the only thing that BW could be improved is their model of sponsorship. See StarCraft 2 is supported by Pay to View and Blizzard's sponsorship money while BW is solely based on other company to sponsor the leagues (which by the way had a CEO lining up to pay TWICE the amount of price money to keep Brood War going to which Kespa had to deny). P.S. I may be serious but at the end of the day, you will be looking as the stupid one. If what you say is true, why didn't Team 8 have a sponsor? Kespa negotiated with the aforementioned sponsor to sponsor Team 8, he said "Not unless they play Brood War" and the whole deal fell in oblivion. And beside Team 8 was doing absolutely abysmal. Anyone with a half a business brain would most definitely not to invest in a such volatile stock.
That was one sponsor? What about all the other sponsors that wanted a piece of BW?
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On August 25 2012 01:56 Squeegy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 01:37 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 01:33 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 01:23 vthree wrote:On August 24 2012 21:49 letian wrote:
Kespa transitioning to SC2 full time shall make a lot of players return to school, lol So the best Elephants got beat by a 15 year old who lost in Ro32 in Code S last season? WTF? I thought Kespa players were supposed to be good? Where is TBLS? Creator has probably been playing RTS for like 2-3 year? Yet kespa pros who practiced for 14 hours per day for 5-6 years are LOSING? But the guy who won Code S last season lost to an elephant. I guess even the best player in Code S is not good enough. lol, I guess my post went over your head. I am trying to make the point that you can't base everything off 1 series. I am happy players are doing well. But GSL champ losing to Kespa doesn't mean Kespa > ESF Players or vice versa. I am just trying to show you can make 'facts' very biased. Goody beat MMA.... Naniwa beat Nestea and Mvp back to back (they had 6 GSLs between them at that point)... How else would you explain a 15 year old (Creator) pwning seasoned RTS pros like Rain and Roro who were the best Kespa could offer? Btw, I think Seed was jetlagged and saving his builds for WCS Asia and WCS Global. Yes, generally when people mean something else than they say, then they are misunderstood. Of course, his point wasn't either that Kespa > GSL because of Roro beating Seed. His point is that Kespa is only going to better. Much better. And Kespa is already, quite frankly, on GSL level. How would I explain it? Easy. Creator despite being young, is actually, and unsurprisingly, far more experienced SC2 player than Roro or Sun. I find it funny that you're implying RTS experience os better than SC2 experience in a situation like this I think Roro was saving his strategies for PL. And he also isn't used to having play two matches in a day.
It's funny how you constantly chime in and give people shit whenever they make excuses for a Gom player, then you proceed to try your best to make excuses for Kespa players. I even acknowledge that your excuses for Roro are quite legitimate and logical, but it's just sad that you don't acknowledge the legitimacy of the excuses for Gom players. Of course, it's fruitless arguing with you, but I just wanted to point that out for everyone to observe.
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