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On August 25 2012 02:44 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 02:38 Xiphos wrote:On August 25 2012 02:35 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 02:17 Xiphos wrote:On August 25 2012 02:09 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 02:07 Xiphos wrote:On August 25 2012 02:02 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 01:56 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 01:37 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 01:33 Squeegy wrote:
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But the guy who won Code S last season lost to an elephant. I guess even the best player in Code S is not good enough. lol, I guess my post went over your head. I am trying to make the point that you can't base everything off 1 series. I am happy players are doing well. But GSL champ losing to Kespa doesn't mean Kespa > ESF Players or vice versa. I am just trying to show you can make 'facts' very biased. Goody beat MMA.... Naniwa beat Nestea and Mvp back to back (they had 6 GSLs between them at that point)... How else would you explain a 15 year old (Creator) pwning seasoned RTS pros like Rain and Roro who were the best Kespa could offer? Btw, I think Seed was jetlagged and saving his builds for WCS Asia and WCS Global. Yes, generally when people mean something else than they say, then they are misunderstood. Of course, his point wasn't either that Kespa > GSL because of Roro beating Seed. His point is that Kespa is only going to better. Much better. And Kespa is already, quite frankly, on GSL level. How would I explain it? Easy. Creator despite being young, is actually, and unsurprisingly, far more experienced SC2 player than Roro or Sun. I find it funny that you're implying RTS experience os better than SC2 experience in a situation like this I think Roro was saving his strategies for PL. And he also isn't used to having play two matches in a day. sarcasm... Since M18M beat Flash in PL last season, it was obvious that B-teamers were catching up to TBLS. TBLS is lucky they transition to SC2 or they would have to wash dishes. Keep treading on those landmines buddy, you are dodging assaults and chickenning out. If they didn't transition into SC2, they would still be playing Brood War and would definitely be rockstars once again. lol, WHY did they transition to SC2? Because BW was DYING... Not necesarily to SC2 but things like LoL (which is already getting a big Korean following). Nah man learn your facts buddy and then we'll talk. Brood War's OSL stadium (even before they announced the last BW OSL) was tightly packed. Prior to this season's frankenstein hybrid league, ProLeague was filled out with them having need to adjust their venues to have more chairs and it was many time in the top viewership on television. And the JinAir OSL finals had over 10 million international viewers on stream. Comparing to StarCraft 2 for GSL that have barely 50 people live on stage. Kespa was 'bought' out by Blizzard to stop broadcasting Brood War because Mike M was affraid of League of Legend growing too rampant and have to urge Kespa to switch to StarCraft 2 or else the scene crumbles. Now the only thing that BW could be improved is their model of sponsorship. See StarCraft 2 is supported by Pay to View and Blizzard's sponsorship money while BW is solely based on other company to sponsor the leagues (which by the way had a CEO lining up to pay TWICE the amount of price money to keep Brood War going to which Kespa had to deny). P.S. I may be serious but at the end of the day, you will be looking as the stupid one. If what you say is true, why didn't Team 8 have a sponsor? Kespa negotiated with the aforementioned sponsor to sponsor Team 8, he said "Not unless they play Brood War" and the whole deal fell in oblivion. And beside Team 8 was doing absolutely abysmal. Anyone with a half a business brain would most definitely not to invest in a such volatile stock. That was one sponsor? What about all the other sponsors that wanted a piece of BW?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=269800
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On August 25 2012 02:51 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 01:56 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 01:37 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 01:33 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 01:23 vthree wrote:On August 24 2012 21:49 letian wrote:
Kespa transitioning to SC2 full time shall make a lot of players return to school, lol So the best Elephants got beat by a 15 year old who lost in Ro32 in Code S last season? WTF? I thought Kespa players were supposed to be good? Where is TBLS? Creator has probably been playing RTS for like 2-3 year? Yet kespa pros who practiced for 14 hours per day for 5-6 years are LOSING? But the guy who won Code S last season lost to an elephant. I guess even the best player in Code S is not good enough. lol, I guess my post went over your head. I am trying to make the point that you can't base everything off 1 series. I am happy players are doing well. But GSL champ losing to Kespa doesn't mean Kespa > ESF Players or vice versa. I am just trying to show you can make 'facts' very biased. Goody beat MMA.... Naniwa beat Nestea and Mvp back to back (they had 6 GSLs between them at that point)... How else would you explain a 15 year old (Creator) pwning seasoned RTS pros like Rain and Roro who were the best Kespa could offer? Btw, I think Seed was jetlagged and saving his builds for WCS Asia and WCS Global. Yes, generally when people mean something else than they say, then they are misunderstood. Of course, his point wasn't either that Kespa > GSL because of Roro beating Seed. His point is that Kespa is only going to better. Much better. And Kespa is already, quite frankly, on GSL level. How would I explain it? Easy. Creator despite being young, is actually, and unsurprisingly, far more experienced SC2 player than Roro or Sun. I find it funny that you're implying RTS experience os better than SC2 experience in a situation like this I think Roro was saving his strategies for PL. And he also isn't used to having play two matches in a day. It's funny how you constantly chime in and give people shit whenever they make excuses for a Gom player, then you proceed to try your best to make excuses for Kespa players. I even acknowledge that your excuses for Roro are quite legitimate and logical, but it's just sad that you don't acknowledge the legitimacy of the excuses for Gom players. Of course, it's fruitless arguing with you, but I just wanted to point that out for everyone to observe.
Unfortunately, it seems a vocal minority of BW fans just wants Kespa players to crush ESF players and they get their status quo of Kespa teams and players playing each other (except instead of BW, they play SC2).
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On August 25 2012 02:55 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 02:44 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 02:38 Xiphos wrote:On August 25 2012 02:35 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 02:17 Xiphos wrote:On August 25 2012 02:09 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 02:07 Xiphos wrote:On August 25 2012 02:02 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 01:56 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 01:37 vthree wrote:
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lol, I guess my post went over your head. I am trying to make the point that you can't base everything off 1 series. I am happy players are doing well. But GSL champ losing to Kespa doesn't mean Kespa > ESF Players or vice versa. I am just trying to show you can make 'facts' very biased. Goody beat MMA.... Naniwa beat Nestea and Mvp back to back (they had 6 GSLs between them at that point)... How else would you explain a 15 year old (Creator) pwning seasoned RTS pros like Rain and Roro who were the best Kespa could offer?
Btw, I think Seed was jetlagged and saving his builds for WCS Asia and WCS Global. Yes, generally when people mean something else than they say, then they are misunderstood. Of course, his point wasn't either that Kespa > GSL because of Roro beating Seed. His point is that Kespa is only going to better. Much better. And Kespa is already, quite frankly, on GSL level. How would I explain it? Easy. Creator despite being young, is actually, and unsurprisingly, far more experienced SC2 player than Roro or Sun. I find it funny that you're implying RTS experience os better than SC2 experience in a situation like this I think Roro was saving his strategies for PL. And he also isn't used to having play two matches in a day. sarcasm... Since M18M beat Flash in PL last season, it was obvious that B-teamers were catching up to TBLS. TBLS is lucky they transition to SC2 or they would have to wash dishes. Keep treading on those landmines buddy, you are dodging assaults and chickenning out. If they didn't transition into SC2, they would still be playing Brood War and would definitely be rockstars once again. lol, WHY did they transition to SC2? Because BW was DYING... Not necesarily to SC2 but things like LoL (which is already getting a big Korean following). Nah man learn your facts buddy and then we'll talk. Brood War's OSL stadium (even before they announced the last BW OSL) was tightly packed. Prior to this season's frankenstein hybrid league, ProLeague was filled out with them having need to adjust their venues to have more chairs and it was many time in the top viewership on television. And the JinAir OSL finals had over 10 million international viewers on stream. Comparing to StarCraft 2 for GSL that have barely 50 people live on stage. Kespa was 'bought' out by Blizzard to stop broadcasting Brood War because Mike M was affraid of League of Legend growing too rampant and have to urge Kespa to switch to StarCraft 2 or else the scene crumbles. Now the only thing that BW could be improved is their model of sponsorship. See StarCraft 2 is supported by Pay to View and Blizzard's sponsorship money while BW is solely based on other company to sponsor the leagues (which by the way had a CEO lining up to pay TWICE the amount of price money to keep Brood War going to which Kespa had to deny). P.S. I may be serious but at the end of the day, you will be looking as the stupid one. If what you say is true, why didn't Team 8 have a sponsor? Kespa negotiated with the aforementioned sponsor to sponsor Team 8, he said "Not unless they play Brood War" and the whole deal fell in oblivion. And beside Team 8 was doing absolutely abysmal. Anyone with a half a business brain would most definitely not to invest in a such volatile stock. That was one sponsor? What about all the other sponsors that wanted a piece of BW? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=269800
And it seems the deal fell through before SC2 was even in the picture...
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On August 25 2012 03:00 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 02:55 Xiphos wrote:On August 25 2012 02:44 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 02:38 Xiphos wrote:On August 25 2012 02:35 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 02:17 Xiphos wrote:On August 25 2012 02:09 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 02:07 Xiphos wrote:On August 25 2012 02:02 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 01:56 Squeegy wrote:
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Yes, generally when people mean something else than they say, then they are misunderstood. Of course, his point wasn't either that Kespa > GSL because of Roro beating Seed. His point is that Kespa is only going to better. Much better. And Kespa is already, quite frankly, on GSL level.
How would I explain it? Easy. Creator despite being young, is actually, and unsurprisingly, far more experienced SC2 player than Roro or Sun. I find it funny that you're implying RTS experience os better than SC2 experience in a situation like this
I think Roro was saving his strategies for PL. And he also isn't used to having play two matches in a day. sarcasm... Since M18M beat Flash in PL last season, it was obvious that B-teamers were catching up to TBLS. TBLS is lucky they transition to SC2 or they would have to wash dishes. Keep treading on those landmines buddy, you are dodging assaults and chickenning out. If they didn't transition into SC2, they would still be playing Brood War and would definitely be rockstars once again. lol, WHY did they transition to SC2? Because BW was DYING... Not necesarily to SC2 but things like LoL (which is already getting a big Korean following). Nah man learn your facts buddy and then we'll talk. Brood War's OSL stadium (even before they announced the last BW OSL) was tightly packed. Prior to this season's frankenstein hybrid league, ProLeague was filled out with them having need to adjust their venues to have more chairs and it was many time in the top viewership on television. And the JinAir OSL finals had over 10 million international viewers on stream. Comparing to StarCraft 2 for GSL that have barely 50 people live on stage. Kespa was 'bought' out by Blizzard to stop broadcasting Brood War because Mike M was affraid of League of Legend growing too rampant and have to urge Kespa to switch to StarCraft 2 or else the scene crumbles. Now the only thing that BW could be improved is their model of sponsorship. See StarCraft 2 is supported by Pay to View and Blizzard's sponsorship money while BW is solely based on other company to sponsor the leagues (which by the way had a CEO lining up to pay TWICE the amount of price money to keep Brood War going to which Kespa had to deny). P.S. I may be serious but at the end of the day, you will be looking as the stupid one. If what you say is true, why didn't Team 8 have a sponsor? Kespa negotiated with the aforementioned sponsor to sponsor Team 8, he said "Not unless they play Brood War" and the whole deal fell in oblivion. And beside Team 8 was doing absolutely abysmal. Anyone with a half a business brain would most definitely not to invest in a such volatile stock. That was one sponsor? What about all the other sponsors that wanted a piece of BW? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=269800 And it seems the deal fell through before SC2 was even in the picture...
September 28 2011
Think again.
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On August 25 2012 03:02 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 03:00 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 02:55 Xiphos wrote:On August 25 2012 02:44 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 02:38 Xiphos wrote:On August 25 2012 02:35 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 02:17 Xiphos wrote:On August 25 2012 02:09 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 02:07 Xiphos wrote:On August 25 2012 02:02 vthree wrote:
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sarcasm...
Since M18M beat Flash in PL last season, it was obvious that B-teamers were catching up to TBLS. TBLS is lucky they transition to SC2 or they would have to wash dishes. Keep treading on those landmines buddy, you are dodging assaults and chickenning out. If they didn't transition into SC2, they would still be playing Brood War and would definitely be rockstars once again. lol, WHY did they transition to SC2? Because BW was DYING... Not necesarily to SC2 but things like LoL (which is already getting a big Korean following). Nah man learn your facts buddy and then we'll talk. Brood War's OSL stadium (even before they announced the last BW OSL) was tightly packed. Prior to this season's frankenstein hybrid league, ProLeague was filled out with them having need to adjust their venues to have more chairs and it was many time in the top viewership on television. And the JinAir OSL finals had over 10 million international viewers on stream. Comparing to StarCraft 2 for GSL that have barely 50 people live on stage. Kespa was 'bought' out by Blizzard to stop broadcasting Brood War because Mike M was affraid of League of Legend growing too rampant and have to urge Kespa to switch to StarCraft 2 or else the scene crumbles. Now the only thing that BW could be improved is their model of sponsorship. See StarCraft 2 is supported by Pay to View and Blizzard's sponsorship money while BW is solely based on other company to sponsor the leagues (which by the way had a CEO lining up to pay TWICE the amount of price money to keep Brood War going to which Kespa had to deny). P.S. I may be serious but at the end of the day, you will be looking as the stupid one. If what you say is true, why didn't Team 8 have a sponsor? Kespa negotiated with the aforementioned sponsor to sponsor Team 8, he said "Not unless they play Brood War" and the whole deal fell in oblivion. And beside Team 8 was doing absolutely abysmal. Anyone with a half a business brain would most definitely not to invest in a such volatile stock. That was one sponsor? What about all the other sponsors that wanted a piece of BW? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=269800 And it seems the deal fell through before SC2 was even in the picture... September 28 2011 Think again.
When did Kespa announce they were switching to SC2? Try again?
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On August 25 2012 03:11 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 03:02 Xiphos wrote:On August 25 2012 03:00 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 02:55 Xiphos wrote:On August 25 2012 02:44 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 02:38 Xiphos wrote:On August 25 2012 02:35 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 02:17 Xiphos wrote:On August 25 2012 02:09 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 02:07 Xiphos wrote:
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Keep treading on those landmines buddy, you are dodging assaults and chickenning out.
If they didn't transition into SC2, they would still be playing Brood War and would definitely be rockstars once again. lol, WHY did they transition to SC2? Because BW was DYING... Not necesarily to SC2 but things like LoL (which is already getting a big Korean following). Nah man learn your facts buddy and then we'll talk. Brood War's OSL stadium (even before they announced the last BW OSL) was tightly packed. Prior to this season's frankenstein hybrid league, ProLeague was filled out with them having need to adjust their venues to have more chairs and it was many time in the top viewership on television. And the JinAir OSL finals had over 10 million international viewers on stream. Comparing to StarCraft 2 for GSL that have barely 50 people live on stage. Kespa was 'bought' out by Blizzard to stop broadcasting Brood War because Mike M was affraid of League of Legend growing too rampant and have to urge Kespa to switch to StarCraft 2 or else the scene crumbles. Now the only thing that BW could be improved is their model of sponsorship. See StarCraft 2 is supported by Pay to View and Blizzard's sponsorship money while BW is solely based on other company to sponsor the leagues (which by the way had a CEO lining up to pay TWICE the amount of price money to keep Brood War going to which Kespa had to deny). P.S. I may be serious but at the end of the day, you will be looking as the stupid one. If what you say is true, why didn't Team 8 have a sponsor? Kespa negotiated with the aforementioned sponsor to sponsor Team 8, he said "Not unless they play Brood War" and the whole deal fell in oblivion. And beside Team 8 was doing absolutely abysmal. Anyone with a half a business brain would most definitely not to invest in a such volatile stock. That was one sponsor? What about all the other sponsors that wanted a piece of BW? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=269800 And it seems the deal fell through before SC2 was even in the picture... September 28 2011 Think again. When did Kespa announce they were switching to SC2? Try again?
When did StarTwo started having competition?
Yeah....
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On August 25 2012 03:21 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 03:11 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 03:02 Xiphos wrote:On August 25 2012 03:00 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 02:55 Xiphos wrote:On August 25 2012 02:44 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 02:38 Xiphos wrote:On August 25 2012 02:35 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 02:17 Xiphos wrote:On August 25 2012 02:09 vthree wrote:
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lol, WHY did they transition to SC2? Because BW was DYING... Not necesarily to SC2 but things like LoL (which is already getting a big Korean following).
Nah man learn your facts buddy and then we'll talk. Brood War's OSL stadium (even before they announced the last BW OSL) was tightly packed. Prior to this season's frankenstein hybrid league, ProLeague was filled out with them having need to adjust their venues to have more chairs and it was many time in the top viewership on television. And the JinAir OSL finals had over 10 million international viewers on stream. Comparing to StarCraft 2 for GSL that have barely 50 people live on stage. Kespa was 'bought' out by Blizzard to stop broadcasting Brood War because Mike M was affraid of League of Legend growing too rampant and have to urge Kespa to switch to StarCraft 2 or else the scene crumbles. Now the only thing that BW could be improved is their model of sponsorship. See StarCraft 2 is supported by Pay to View and Blizzard's sponsorship money while BW is solely based on other company to sponsor the leagues (which by the way had a CEO lining up to pay TWICE the amount of price money to keep Brood War going to which Kespa had to deny). P.S. I may be serious but at the end of the day, you will be looking as the stupid one. If what you say is true, why didn't Team 8 have a sponsor? Kespa negotiated with the aforementioned sponsor to sponsor Team 8, he said "Not unless they play Brood War" and the whole deal fell in oblivion. And beside Team 8 was doing absolutely abysmal. Anyone with a half a business brain would most definitely not to invest in a such volatile stock. That was one sponsor? What about all the other sponsors that wanted a piece of BW? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=269800 And it seems the deal fell through before SC2 was even in the picture... September 28 2011 Think again. When did Kespa announce they were switching to SC2? Try again? When did StarTwo started having competition? Yeah....
GG WP
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On August 25 2012 03:21 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 03:11 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 03:02 Xiphos wrote:On August 25 2012 03:00 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 02:55 Xiphos wrote:On August 25 2012 02:44 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 02:38 Xiphos wrote:On August 25 2012 02:35 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 02:17 Xiphos wrote:On August 25 2012 02:09 vthree wrote:
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lol, WHY did they transition to SC2? Because BW was DYING... Not necesarily to SC2 but things like LoL (which is already getting a big Korean following).
Nah man learn your facts buddy and then we'll talk. Brood War's OSL stadium (even before they announced the last BW OSL) was tightly packed. Prior to this season's frankenstein hybrid league, ProLeague was filled out with them having need to adjust their venues to have more chairs and it was many time in the top viewership on television. And the JinAir OSL finals had over 10 million international viewers on stream. Comparing to StarCraft 2 for GSL that have barely 50 people live on stage. Kespa was 'bought' out by Blizzard to stop broadcasting Brood War because Mike M was affraid of League of Legend growing too rampant and have to urge Kespa to switch to StarCraft 2 or else the scene crumbles. Now the only thing that BW could be improved is their model of sponsorship. See StarCraft 2 is supported by Pay to View and Blizzard's sponsorship money while BW is solely based on other company to sponsor the leagues (which by the way had a CEO lining up to pay TWICE the amount of price money to keep Brood War going to which Kespa had to deny). P.S. I may be serious but at the end of the day, you will be looking as the stupid one. If what you say is true, why didn't Team 8 have a sponsor? Kespa negotiated with the aforementioned sponsor to sponsor Team 8, he said "Not unless they play Brood War" and the whole deal fell in oblivion. And beside Team 8 was doing absolutely abysmal. Anyone with a half a business brain would most definitely not to invest in a such volatile stock. That was one sponsor? What about all the other sponsors that wanted a piece of BW? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=269800 And it seems the deal fell through before SC2 was even in the picture... September 28 2011 Think again. When did Kespa announce they were switching to SC2? Try again? When did StarTwo started having competition? Yeah....
Actually SC2 was having competitions back in beta, which was before september 2011. Yeah....
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On August 25 2012 02:57 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 02:51 HolyArrow wrote:On August 25 2012 01:56 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 01:37 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 01:33 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 01:23 vthree wrote:On August 24 2012 21:49 letian wrote:
Kespa transitioning to SC2 full time shall make a lot of players return to school, lol So the best Elephants got beat by a 15 year old who lost in Ro32 in Code S last season? WTF? I thought Kespa players were supposed to be good? Where is TBLS? Creator has probably been playing RTS for like 2-3 year? Yet kespa pros who practiced for 14 hours per day for 5-6 years are LOSING? But the guy who won Code S last season lost to an elephant. I guess even the best player in Code S is not good enough. lol, I guess my post went over your head. I am trying to make the point that you can't base everything off 1 series. I am happy players are doing well. But GSL champ losing to Kespa doesn't mean Kespa > ESF Players or vice versa. I am just trying to show you can make 'facts' very biased. Goody beat MMA.... Naniwa beat Nestea and Mvp back to back (they had 6 GSLs between them at that point)... How else would you explain a 15 year old (Creator) pwning seasoned RTS pros like Rain and Roro who were the best Kespa could offer? Btw, I think Seed was jetlagged and saving his builds for WCS Asia and WCS Global. Yes, generally when people mean something else than they say, then they are misunderstood. Of course, his point wasn't either that Kespa > GSL because of Roro beating Seed. His point is that Kespa is only going to better. Much better. And Kespa is already, quite frankly, on GSL level. How would I explain it? Easy. Creator despite being young, is actually, and unsurprisingly, far more experienced SC2 player than Roro or Sun. I find it funny that you're implying RTS experience os better than SC2 experience in a situation like this I think Roro was saving his strategies for PL. And he also isn't used to having play two matches in a day. It's funny how you constantly chime in and give people shit whenever they make excuses for a Gom player, then you proceed to try your best to make excuses for Kespa players. I even acknowledge that your excuses for Roro are quite legitimate and logical, but it's just sad that you don't acknowledge the legitimacy of the excuses for Gom players. Of course, it's fruitless arguing with you, but I just wanted to point that out for everyone to observe. Unfortunately, it seems a vocal minority of BW fans just wants Kespa players to crush ESF players and they get their status quo of Kespa teams and players playing each other (except instead of BW, they play SC2).
that is right, this is what I want, complete domination and onslaught of amateurs and schoolboyz.
I'm biased and I want to be that way, I have my reasons so deal with it. That is your right to disagree, but don't expect understanding or compassionate liberal chit-chat in search for truth.
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On August 25 2012 01:23 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 21:49 letian wrote:
Kespa transitioning to SC2 full time shall make a lot of players return to school, lol So the best Elephants got beat by a 15 year old who lost in Ro32 in Code S last season? WTF? I thought Kespa players were supposed to be good? Where is TBLS? Creator has probably been playing RTS for like 2-3 year? Yet kespa pros who practiced for 14 hours per day for 5-6 years are LOSING?
this sarcasm is factitious and futile, go play some BW
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On August 24 2012 21:43 Makro wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 21:42 Tipany wrote:
Roro is so ridiculously unaggressive with drones/expansions.
It's sad to see as a fellow zerg... lol roro had no money what do you want he can't do something
Uhh yeah... no. He had plenty of money before the end-game scenario. He continually builds his 4th/5th only to not even bother defending them. Then, when he loses those bases, takes another couple minutes to retake his expos. Only to lose them again.
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On August 25 2012 03:44 letian wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 02:57 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 02:51 HolyArrow wrote:On August 25 2012 01:56 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 01:37 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 01:33 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 01:23 vthree wrote:On August 24 2012 21:49 letian wrote:
Kespa transitioning to SC2 full time shall make a lot of players return to school, lol So the best Elephants got beat by a 15 year old who lost in Ro32 in Code S last season? WTF? I thought Kespa players were supposed to be good? Where is TBLS? Creator has probably been playing RTS for like 2-3 year? Yet kespa pros who practiced for 14 hours per day for 5-6 years are LOSING? But the guy who won Code S last season lost to an elephant. I guess even the best player in Code S is not good enough. lol, I guess my post went over your head. I am trying to make the point that you can't base everything off 1 series. I am happy players are doing well. But GSL champ losing to Kespa doesn't mean Kespa > ESF Players or vice versa. I am just trying to show you can make 'facts' very biased. Goody beat MMA.... Naniwa beat Nestea and Mvp back to back (they had 6 GSLs between them at that point)... How else would you explain a 15 year old (Creator) pwning seasoned RTS pros like Rain and Roro who were the best Kespa could offer? Btw, I think Seed was jetlagged and saving his builds for WCS Asia and WCS Global. Yes, generally when people mean something else than they say, then they are misunderstood. Of course, his point wasn't either that Kespa > GSL because of Roro beating Seed. His point is that Kespa is only going to better. Much better. And Kespa is already, quite frankly, on GSL level. How would I explain it? Easy. Creator despite being young, is actually, and unsurprisingly, far more experienced SC2 player than Roro or Sun. I find it funny that you're implying RTS experience os better than SC2 experience in a situation like this I think Roro was saving his strategies for PL. And he also isn't used to having play two matches in a day. It's funny how you constantly chime in and give people shit whenever they make excuses for a Gom player, then you proceed to try your best to make excuses for Kespa players. I even acknowledge that your excuses for Roro are quite legitimate and logical, but it's just sad that you don't acknowledge the legitimacy of the excuses for Gom players. Of course, it's fruitless arguing with you, but I just wanted to point that out for everyone to observe. Unfortunately, it seems a vocal minority of BW fans just wants Kespa players to crush ESF players and they get their status quo of Kespa teams and players playing each other (except instead of BW, they play SC2). that is right, this is what I want, complete domination and onslaught of amateurs and schoolboyz. I'm biased and I want to be that way, I have my reasons so deal with it. That is your right to disagree, but don't expect understanding or compassionate liberal chit-chat in search for truth.
Are all BW fans so serious? In search of truth? Really?
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On August 25 2012 02:01 Wildmoon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 01:56 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 01:37 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 01:33 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 01:23 vthree wrote:On August 24 2012 21:49 letian wrote:
Kespa transitioning to SC2 full time shall make a lot of players return to school, lol So the best Elephants got beat by a 15 year old who lost in Ro32 in Code S last season? WTF? I thought Kespa players were supposed to be good? Where is TBLS? Creator has probably been playing RTS for like 2-3 year? Yet kespa pros who practiced for 14 hours per day for 5-6 years are LOSING? But the guy who won Code S last season lost to an elephant. I guess even the best player in Code S is not good enough. lol, I guess my post went over your head. I am trying to make the point that you can't base everything off 1 series. I am happy players are doing well. But GSL champ losing to Kespa doesn't mean Kespa > ESF Players or vice versa. I am just trying to show you can make 'facts' very biased. Goody beat MMA.... Naniwa beat Nestea and Mvp back to back (they had 6 GSLs between them at that point)... How else would you explain a 15 year old (Creator) pwning seasoned RTS pros like Rain and Roro who were the best Kespa could offer? Btw, I think Seed was jetlagged and saving his builds for WCS Asia and WCS Global. Yes, generally when people mean something else than they say, then they are misunderstood. Of course, his point wasn't either that Kespa > GSL because of Roro beating Seed. His point is that Kespa is only going to better. Much better. And Kespa is already, quite frankly, on GSL level. How would I explain it? Easy. Creator despite being young, is actually, and unsurprisingly, far more experienced SC2 player than Roro or Sun. I find it funny that you're implying RTS experience os better than SC2 experience in a situation like this I think Roro was saving his strategies for PL. And he also isn't used to having play two matches in a day. Aren't all the players left in WCS a GSL players? It should be about equal if Kespa's players are as good as GSL in general. There's only few kespa players that standout.
That would make sense if there were as many Kespa players in the tournament as GSL players. There were not. Of course now you're thinking of "but they failed to qualify". Sure, fair point, but they have progressed quite a bit since the qualifiers. Certainly then GSL players were better, but are they now? I doubt it. And there is no reason to think that the Kespa players who played in this tournament are a special case. They haven't been dominant in PL. The best Kespa players now quite likely are not the best in a few months. What I mean is that the rankings now are volatile due to lack of experience.
On August 25 2012 02:02 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 01:56 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 01:37 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 01:33 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 01:23 vthree wrote:On August 24 2012 21:49 letian wrote:
Kespa transitioning to SC2 full time shall make a lot of players return to school, lol So the best Elephants got beat by a 15 year old who lost in Ro32 in Code S last season? WTF? I thought Kespa players were supposed to be good? Where is TBLS? Creator has probably been playing RTS for like 2-3 year? Yet kespa pros who practiced for 14 hours per day for 5-6 years are LOSING? But the guy who won Code S last season lost to an elephant. I guess even the best player in Code S is not good enough. lol, I guess my post went over your head. I am trying to make the point that you can't base everything off 1 series. I am happy players are doing well. But GSL champ losing to Kespa doesn't mean Kespa > ESF Players or vice versa. I am just trying to show you can make 'facts' very biased. Goody beat MMA.... Naniwa beat Nestea and Mvp back to back (they had 6 GSLs between them at that point)... How else would you explain a 15 year old (Creator) pwning seasoned RTS pros like Rain and Roro who were the best Kespa could offer? Btw, I think Seed was jetlagged and saving his builds for WCS Asia and WCS Global. Yes, generally when people mean something else than they say, then they are misunderstood. Of course, his point wasn't either that Kespa > GSL because of Roro beating Seed. His point is that Kespa is only going to better. Much better. And Kespa is already, quite frankly, on GSL level. How would I explain it? Easy. Creator despite being young, is actually, and unsurprisingly, far more experienced SC2 player than Roro or Sun. I find it funny that you're implying RTS experience os better than SC2 experience in a situation like this I think Roro was saving his strategies for PL. And he also isn't used to having play two matches in a day. sarcasm... Since M18M beat Flash in PL last season, it was obvious that B-teamers were catching up to TBLS. TBLS is lucky they transition to SC2 or they would have to wash dishes. How is Kespa on GSL level when only Reality made it through the qualifiers? You can say the top Kespa players (the fast adapting ones) are Code A/S level. But overall, I think ESF players are stronger than Kespa. Of course, with time, they will catch up.
Your analogy is unfortunately flawed. M18M beating Flash is indeed a single instance. Kespa beating individual players is not a single instance in the same sense. Sure, Seed lost a single bo3, but GSL lost bo3s consistently.
When the qualifiers were held, Kespa had two months less experience. They have only a few months worth of experience now, two months later. GSL was better during the qualifiers, unfortunately, same does not apply now. Which you of course know but for some reason chose to present this as a point anyway. They have pretty much caught up already.
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On August 25 2012 04:12 Squeegy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 02:01 Wildmoon wrote:On August 25 2012 01:56 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 01:37 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 01:33 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 01:23 vthree wrote:On August 24 2012 21:49 letian wrote:
Kespa transitioning to SC2 full time shall make a lot of players return to school, lol So the best Elephants got beat by a 15 year old who lost in Ro32 in Code S last season? WTF? I thought Kespa players were supposed to be good? Where is TBLS? Creator has probably been playing RTS for like 2-3 year? Yet kespa pros who practiced for 14 hours per day for 5-6 years are LOSING? But the guy who won Code S last season lost to an elephant. I guess even the best player in Code S is not good enough. lol, I guess my post went over your head. I am trying to make the point that you can't base everything off 1 series. I am happy players are doing well. But GSL champ losing to Kespa doesn't mean Kespa > ESF Players or vice versa. I am just trying to show you can make 'facts' very biased. Goody beat MMA.... Naniwa beat Nestea and Mvp back to back (they had 6 GSLs between them at that point)... How else would you explain a 15 year old (Creator) pwning seasoned RTS pros like Rain and Roro who were the best Kespa could offer? Btw, I think Seed was jetlagged and saving his builds for WCS Asia and WCS Global. Yes, generally when people mean something else than they say, then they are misunderstood. Of course, his point wasn't either that Kespa > GSL because of Roro beating Seed. His point is that Kespa is only going to better. Much better. And Kespa is already, quite frankly, on GSL level. How would I explain it? Easy. Creator despite being young, is actually, and unsurprisingly, far more experienced SC2 player than Roro or Sun. I find it funny that you're implying RTS experience os better than SC2 experience in a situation like this I think Roro was saving his strategies for PL. And he also isn't used to having play two matches in a day. Aren't all the players left in WCS a GSL players? It should be about equal if Kespa's players are as good as GSL in general. There's only few kespa players that standout. That would make sense if there were as many Kespa players in the tournament as GSL players. There were not. Of course now you're thinking of "but they failed to qualify". Sure, fair point, but they have progressed quite a bit since the qualifiers. Certainly then GSL players were better, but are they now? I doubt it. And there is no reason to think that the Kespa players who played in this tournament are a special case. They haven't been dominant in PL. The best Kespa players now quite likely are not the best in a few months. What I mean is that the rankings now are volatile due to lack of experience. Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 02:02 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 01:56 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 01:37 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 01:33 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 01:23 vthree wrote:On August 24 2012 21:49 letian wrote:
Kespa transitioning to SC2 full time shall make a lot of players return to school, lol So the best Elephants got beat by a 15 year old who lost in Ro32 in Code S last season? WTF? I thought Kespa players were supposed to be good? Where is TBLS? Creator has probably been playing RTS for like 2-3 year? Yet kespa pros who practiced for 14 hours per day for 5-6 years are LOSING? But the guy who won Code S last season lost to an elephant. I guess even the best player in Code S is not good enough. lol, I guess my post went over your head. I am trying to make the point that you can't base everything off 1 series. I am happy players are doing well. But GSL champ losing to Kespa doesn't mean Kespa > ESF Players or vice versa. I am just trying to show you can make 'facts' very biased. Goody beat MMA.... Naniwa beat Nestea and Mvp back to back (they had 6 GSLs between them at that point)... How else would you explain a 15 year old (Creator) pwning seasoned RTS pros like Rain and Roro who were the best Kespa could offer? Btw, I think Seed was jetlagged and saving his builds for WCS Asia and WCS Global. Yes, generally when people mean something else than they say, then they are misunderstood. Of course, his point wasn't either that Kespa > GSL because of Roro beating Seed. His point is that Kespa is only going to better. Much better. And Kespa is already, quite frankly, on GSL level. How would I explain it? Easy. Creator despite being young, is actually, and unsurprisingly, far more experienced SC2 player than Roro or Sun. I find it funny that you're implying RTS experience os better than SC2 experience in a situation like this I think Roro was saving his strategies for PL. And he also isn't used to having play two matches in a day. sarcasm... Since M18M beat Flash in PL last season, it was obvious that B-teamers were catching up to TBLS. TBLS is lucky they transition to SC2 or they would have to wash dishes. How is Kespa on GSL level when only Reality made it through the qualifiers? You can say the top Kespa players (the fast adapting ones) are Code A/S level. But overall, I think ESF players are stronger than Kespa. Of course, with time, they will catch up. Your analogy is unfortunately flawed. M18M beating Flash is indeed a single instance. Kespa beating individual players is not a single instance in the same sense. Sure, Seed lost a single bo3, but GSL lost bo3s consistently. When the qualifiers were held, Kespa had two months less experience. They have only a few months worth of experience now, two months later. GSL was better during the qualifiers, unfortunately, same does not apply now. Which you of course know but for some reason chose to present this as a point anyway. They have pretty much caught up already.
Guess we will see in OSL.
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On August 25 2012 04:16 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 04:12 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 02:01 Wildmoon wrote:On August 25 2012 01:56 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 01:37 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 01:33 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 01:23 vthree wrote:On August 24 2012 21:49 letian wrote:
Kespa transitioning to SC2 full time shall make a lot of players return to school, lol So the best Elephants got beat by a 15 year old who lost in Ro32 in Code S last season? WTF? I thought Kespa players were supposed to be good? Where is TBLS? Creator has probably been playing RTS for like 2-3 year? Yet kespa pros who practiced for 14 hours per day for 5-6 years are LOSING? But the guy who won Code S last season lost to an elephant. I guess even the best player in Code S is not good enough. lol, I guess my post went over your head. I am trying to make the point that you can't base everything off 1 series. I am happy players are doing well. But GSL champ losing to Kespa doesn't mean Kespa > ESF Players or vice versa. I am just trying to show you can make 'facts' very biased. Goody beat MMA.... Naniwa beat Nestea and Mvp back to back (they had 6 GSLs between them at that point)... How else would you explain a 15 year old (Creator) pwning seasoned RTS pros like Rain and Roro who were the best Kespa could offer? Btw, I think Seed was jetlagged and saving his builds for WCS Asia and WCS Global. Yes, generally when people mean something else than they say, then they are misunderstood. Of course, his point wasn't either that Kespa > GSL because of Roro beating Seed. His point is that Kespa is only going to better. Much better. And Kespa is already, quite frankly, on GSL level. How would I explain it? Easy. Creator despite being young, is actually, and unsurprisingly, far more experienced SC2 player than Roro or Sun. I find it funny that you're implying RTS experience os better than SC2 experience in a situation like this I think Roro was saving his strategies for PL. And he also isn't used to having play two matches in a day. Aren't all the players left in WCS a GSL players? It should be about equal if Kespa's players are as good as GSL in general. There's only few kespa players that standout. That would make sense if there were as many Kespa players in the tournament as GSL players. There were not. Of course now you're thinking of "but they failed to qualify". Sure, fair point, but they have progressed quite a bit since the qualifiers. Certainly then GSL players were better, but are they now? I doubt it. And there is no reason to think that the Kespa players who played in this tournament are a special case. They haven't been dominant in PL. The best Kespa players now quite likely are not the best in a few months. What I mean is that the rankings now are volatile due to lack of experience. On August 25 2012 02:02 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 01:56 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 01:37 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 01:33 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 01:23 vthree wrote:On August 24 2012 21:49 letian wrote:
Kespa transitioning to SC2 full time shall make a lot of players return to school, lol So the best Elephants got beat by a 15 year old who lost in Ro32 in Code S last season? WTF? I thought Kespa players were supposed to be good? Where is TBLS? Creator has probably been playing RTS for like 2-3 year? Yet kespa pros who practiced for 14 hours per day for 5-6 years are LOSING? But the guy who won Code S last season lost to an elephant. I guess even the best player in Code S is not good enough. lol, I guess my post went over your head. I am trying to make the point that you can't base everything off 1 series. I am happy players are doing well. But GSL champ losing to Kespa doesn't mean Kespa > ESF Players or vice versa. I am just trying to show you can make 'facts' very biased. Goody beat MMA.... Naniwa beat Nestea and Mvp back to back (they had 6 GSLs between them at that point)... How else would you explain a 15 year old (Creator) pwning seasoned RTS pros like Rain and Roro who were the best Kespa could offer? Btw, I think Seed was jetlagged and saving his builds for WCS Asia and WCS Global. Yes, generally when people mean something else than they say, then they are misunderstood. Of course, his point wasn't either that Kespa > GSL because of Roro beating Seed. His point is that Kespa is only going to better. Much better. And Kespa is already, quite frankly, on GSL level. How would I explain it? Easy. Creator despite being young, is actually, and unsurprisingly, far more experienced SC2 player than Roro or Sun. I find it funny that you're implying RTS experience os better than SC2 experience in a situation like this I think Roro was saving his strategies for PL. And he also isn't used to having play two matches in a day. sarcasm... Since M18M beat Flash in PL last season, it was obvious that B-teamers were catching up to TBLS. TBLS is lucky they transition to SC2 or they would have to wash dishes. How is Kespa on GSL level when only Reality made it through the qualifiers? You can say the top Kespa players (the fast adapting ones) are Code A/S level. But overall, I think ESF players are stronger than Kespa. Of course, with time, they will catch up. Your analogy is unfortunately flawed. M18M beating Flash is indeed a single instance. Kespa beating individual players is not a single instance in the same sense. Sure, Seed lost a single bo3, but GSL lost bo3s consistently. When the qualifiers were held, Kespa had two months less experience. They have only a few months worth of experience now, two months later. GSL was better during the qualifiers, unfortunately, same does not apply now. Which you of course know but for some reason chose to present this as a point anyway. They have pretty much caught up already. Guess we will see in OSL.
No, we've seen it already.
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On August 25 2012 04:12 Squeegy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 02:01 Wildmoon wrote:On August 25 2012 01:56 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 01:37 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 01:33 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 01:23 vthree wrote:On August 24 2012 21:49 letian wrote:
Kespa transitioning to SC2 full time shall make a lot of players return to school, lol So the best Elephants got beat by a 15 year old who lost in Ro32 in Code S last season? WTF? I thought Kespa players were supposed to be good? Where is TBLS? Creator has probably been playing RTS for like 2-3 year? Yet kespa pros who practiced for 14 hours per day for 5-6 years are LOSING? But the guy who won Code S last season lost to an elephant. I guess even the best player in Code S is not good enough. lol, I guess my post went over your head. I am trying to make the point that you can't base everything off 1 series. I am happy players are doing well. But GSL champ losing to Kespa doesn't mean Kespa > ESF Players or vice versa. I am just trying to show you can make 'facts' very biased. Goody beat MMA.... Naniwa beat Nestea and Mvp back to back (they had 6 GSLs between them at that point)... How else would you explain a 15 year old (Creator) pwning seasoned RTS pros like Rain and Roro who were the best Kespa could offer? Btw, I think Seed was jetlagged and saving his builds for WCS Asia and WCS Global. Yes, generally when people mean something else than they say, then they are misunderstood. Of course, his point wasn't either that Kespa > GSL because of Roro beating Seed. His point is that Kespa is only going to better. Much better. And Kespa is already, quite frankly, on GSL level. How would I explain it? Easy. Creator despite being young, is actually, and unsurprisingly, far more experienced SC2 player than Roro or Sun. I find it funny that you're implying RTS experience os better than SC2 experience in a situation like this I think Roro was saving his strategies for PL. And he also isn't used to having play two matches in a day. Aren't all the players left in WCS a GSL players? It should be about equal if Kespa's players are as good as GSL in general. There's only few kespa players that standout. That would make sense if there were as many Kespa players in the tournament as GSL players. There were not. Of course now you're thinking of "but they failed to qualify". Sure, fair point, but they have progressed quite a bit since the qualifiers. Certainly then GSL players were better, but are they now? I doubt it. And there is no reason to think that the Kespa players who played in this tournament are a special case. They haven't been dominant in PL. The best Kespa players now quite likely are not the best in a few months. What I mean is that the rankings now are volatile due to lack of experience. Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 02:02 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 01:56 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 01:37 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 01:33 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 01:23 vthree wrote:On August 24 2012 21:49 letian wrote:
Kespa transitioning to SC2 full time shall make a lot of players return to school, lol So the best Elephants got beat by a 15 year old who lost in Ro32 in Code S last season? WTF? I thought Kespa players were supposed to be good? Where is TBLS? Creator has probably been playing RTS for like 2-3 year? Yet kespa pros who practiced for 14 hours per day for 5-6 years are LOSING? But the guy who won Code S last season lost to an elephant. I guess even the best player in Code S is not good enough. lol, I guess my post went over your head. I am trying to make the point that you can't base everything off 1 series. I am happy players are doing well. But GSL champ losing to Kespa doesn't mean Kespa > ESF Players or vice versa. I am just trying to show you can make 'facts' very biased. Goody beat MMA.... Naniwa beat Nestea and Mvp back to back (they had 6 GSLs between them at that point)... How else would you explain a 15 year old (Creator) pwning seasoned RTS pros like Rain and Roro who were the best Kespa could offer? Btw, I think Seed was jetlagged and saving his builds for WCS Asia and WCS Global. Yes, generally when people mean something else than they say, then they are misunderstood. Of course, his point wasn't either that Kespa > GSL because of Roro beating Seed. His point is that Kespa is only going to better. Much better. And Kespa is already, quite frankly, on GSL level. How would I explain it? Easy. Creator despite being young, is actually, and unsurprisingly, far more experienced SC2 player than Roro or Sun. I find it funny that you're implying RTS experience os better than SC2 experience in a situation like this I think Roro was saving his strategies for PL. And he also isn't used to having play two matches in a day. sarcasm... Since M18M beat Flash in PL last season, it was obvious that B-teamers were catching up to TBLS. TBLS is lucky they transition to SC2 or they would have to wash dishes. How is Kespa on GSL level when only Reality made it through the qualifiers? You can say the top Kespa players (the fast adapting ones) are Code A/S level. But overall, I think ESF players are stronger than Kespa. Of course, with time, they will catch up. Your analogy is unfortunately flawed. M18M beating Flash is indeed a single instance. Kespa beating individual players is not a single instance in the same sense. Sure, Seed lost a single bo3, but GSL lost bo3s consistently. When the qualifiers were held, Kespa had two months less experience. They have only a few months worth of experience now, two months later. GSL was better during the qualifiers, unfortunately, same does not apply now. Which you of course know but for some reason chose to present this as a point anyway. They have pretty much caught up already.
You are back? This place was better without your biased ramblings.
GG creator!
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On August 25 2012 04:16 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 04:12 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 02:01 Wildmoon wrote:On August 25 2012 01:56 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 01:37 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 01:33 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 01:23 vthree wrote:On August 24 2012 21:49 letian wrote:
Kespa transitioning to SC2 full time shall make a lot of players return to school, lol So the best Elephants got beat by a 15 year old who lost in Ro32 in Code S last season? WTF? I thought Kespa players were supposed to be good? Where is TBLS? Creator has probably been playing RTS for like 2-3 year? Yet kespa pros who practiced for 14 hours per day for 5-6 years are LOSING? But the guy who won Code S last season lost to an elephant. I guess even the best player in Code S is not good enough. lol, I guess my post went over your head. I am trying to make the point that you can't base everything off 1 series. I am happy players are doing well. But GSL champ losing to Kespa doesn't mean Kespa > ESF Players or vice versa. I am just trying to show you can make 'facts' very biased. Goody beat MMA.... Naniwa beat Nestea and Mvp back to back (they had 6 GSLs between them at that point)... How else would you explain a 15 year old (Creator) pwning seasoned RTS pros like Rain and Roro who were the best Kespa could offer? Btw, I think Seed was jetlagged and saving his builds for WCS Asia and WCS Global. Yes, generally when people mean something else than they say, then they are misunderstood. Of course, his point wasn't either that Kespa > GSL because of Roro beating Seed. His point is that Kespa is only going to better. Much better. And Kespa is already, quite frankly, on GSL level. How would I explain it? Easy. Creator despite being young, is actually, and unsurprisingly, far more experienced SC2 player than Roro or Sun. I find it funny that you're implying RTS experience os better than SC2 experience in a situation like this I think Roro was saving his strategies for PL. And he also isn't used to having play two matches in a day. Aren't all the players left in WCS a GSL players? It should be about equal if Kespa's players are as good as GSL in general. There's only few kespa players that standout. That would make sense if there were as many Kespa players in the tournament as GSL players. There were not. Of course now you're thinking of "but they failed to qualify". Sure, fair point, but they have progressed quite a bit since the qualifiers. Certainly then GSL players were better, but are they now? I doubt it. And there is no reason to think that the Kespa players who played in this tournament are a special case. They haven't been dominant in PL. The best Kespa players now quite likely are not the best in a few months. What I mean is that the rankings now are volatile due to lack of experience. On August 25 2012 02:02 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 01:56 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 01:37 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 01:33 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 01:23 vthree wrote:On August 24 2012 21:49 letian wrote:
Kespa transitioning to SC2 full time shall make a lot of players return to school, lol So the best Elephants got beat by a 15 year old who lost in Ro32 in Code S last season? WTF? I thought Kespa players were supposed to be good? Where is TBLS? Creator has probably been playing RTS for like 2-3 year? Yet kespa pros who practiced for 14 hours per day for 5-6 years are LOSING? But the guy who won Code S last season lost to an elephant. I guess even the best player in Code S is not good enough. lol, I guess my post went over your head. I am trying to make the point that you can't base everything off 1 series. I am happy players are doing well. But GSL champ losing to Kespa doesn't mean Kespa > ESF Players or vice versa. I am just trying to show you can make 'facts' very biased. Goody beat MMA.... Naniwa beat Nestea and Mvp back to back (they had 6 GSLs between them at that point)... How else would you explain a 15 year old (Creator) pwning seasoned RTS pros like Rain and Roro who were the best Kespa could offer? Btw, I think Seed was jetlagged and saving his builds for WCS Asia and WCS Global. Yes, generally when people mean something else than they say, then they are misunderstood. Of course, his point wasn't either that Kespa > GSL because of Roro beating Seed. His point is that Kespa is only going to better. Much better. And Kespa is already, quite frankly, on GSL level. How would I explain it? Easy. Creator despite being young, is actually, and unsurprisingly, far more experienced SC2 player than Roro or Sun. I find it funny that you're implying RTS experience os better than SC2 experience in a situation like this I think Roro was saving his strategies for PL. And he also isn't used to having play two matches in a day. sarcasm... Since M18M beat Flash in PL last season, it was obvious that B-teamers were catching up to TBLS. TBLS is lucky they transition to SC2 or they would have to wash dishes. How is Kespa on GSL level when only Reality made it through the qualifiers? You can say the top Kespa players (the fast adapting ones) are Code A/S level. But overall, I think ESF players are stronger than Kespa. Of course, with time, they will catch up. Your analogy is unfortunately flawed. M18M beating Flash is indeed a single instance. Kespa beating individual players is not a single instance in the same sense. Sure, Seed lost a single bo3, but GSL lost bo3s consistently. When the qualifiers were held, Kespa had two months less experience. They have only a few months worth of experience now, two months later. GSL was better during the qualifiers, unfortunately, same does not apply now. Which you of course know but for some reason chose to present this as a point anyway. They have pretty much caught up already. Guess we will see in OSL.
Don't worry he still doesn't understand that every win happened in the losers bracket.
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On August 25 2012 04:57 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 04:16 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 04:12 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 02:01 Wildmoon wrote:On August 25 2012 01:56 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 01:37 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 01:33 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 01:23 vthree wrote:On August 24 2012 21:49 letian wrote:
Kespa transitioning to SC2 full time shall make a lot of players return to school, lol So the best Elephants got beat by a 15 year old who lost in Ro32 in Code S last season? WTF? I thought Kespa players were supposed to be good? Where is TBLS? Creator has probably been playing RTS for like 2-3 year? Yet kespa pros who practiced for 14 hours per day for 5-6 years are LOSING? But the guy who won Code S last season lost to an elephant. I guess even the best player in Code S is not good enough. lol, I guess my post went over your head. I am trying to make the point that you can't base everything off 1 series. I am happy players are doing well. But GSL champ losing to Kespa doesn't mean Kespa > ESF Players or vice versa. I am just trying to show you can make 'facts' very biased. Goody beat MMA.... Naniwa beat Nestea and Mvp back to back (they had 6 GSLs between them at that point)... How else would you explain a 15 year old (Creator) pwning seasoned RTS pros like Rain and Roro who were the best Kespa could offer? Btw, I think Seed was jetlagged and saving his builds for WCS Asia and WCS Global. Yes, generally when people mean something else than they say, then they are misunderstood. Of course, his point wasn't either that Kespa > GSL because of Roro beating Seed. His point is that Kespa is only going to better. Much better. And Kespa is already, quite frankly, on GSL level. How would I explain it? Easy. Creator despite being young, is actually, and unsurprisingly, far more experienced SC2 player than Roro or Sun. I find it funny that you're implying RTS experience os better than SC2 experience in a situation like this I think Roro was saving his strategies for PL. And he also isn't used to having play two matches in a day. Aren't all the players left in WCS a GSL players? It should be about equal if Kespa's players are as good as GSL in general. There's only few kespa players that standout. That would make sense if there were as many Kespa players in the tournament as GSL players. There were not. Of course now you're thinking of "but they failed to qualify". Sure, fair point, but they have progressed quite a bit since the qualifiers. Certainly then GSL players were better, but are they now? I doubt it. And there is no reason to think that the Kespa players who played in this tournament are a special case. They haven't been dominant in PL. The best Kespa players now quite likely are not the best in a few months. What I mean is that the rankings now are volatile due to lack of experience. On August 25 2012 02:02 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 01:56 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 01:37 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 01:33 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 01:23 vthree wrote:On August 24 2012 21:49 letian wrote:
Kespa transitioning to SC2 full time shall make a lot of players return to school, lol So the best Elephants got beat by a 15 year old who lost in Ro32 in Code S last season? WTF? I thought Kespa players were supposed to be good? Where is TBLS? Creator has probably been playing RTS for like 2-3 year? Yet kespa pros who practiced for 14 hours per day for 5-6 years are LOSING? But the guy who won Code S last season lost to an elephant. I guess even the best player in Code S is not good enough. lol, I guess my post went over your head. I am trying to make the point that you can't base everything off 1 series. I am happy players are doing well. But GSL champ losing to Kespa doesn't mean Kespa > ESF Players or vice versa. I am just trying to show you can make 'facts' very biased. Goody beat MMA.... Naniwa beat Nestea and Mvp back to back (they had 6 GSLs between them at that point)... How else would you explain a 15 year old (Creator) pwning seasoned RTS pros like Rain and Roro who were the best Kespa could offer? Btw, I think Seed was jetlagged and saving his builds for WCS Asia and WCS Global. Yes, generally when people mean something else than they say, then they are misunderstood. Of course, his point wasn't either that Kespa > GSL because of Roro beating Seed. His point is that Kespa is only going to better. Much better. And Kespa is already, quite frankly, on GSL level. How would I explain it? Easy. Creator despite being young, is actually, and unsurprisingly, far more experienced SC2 player than Roro or Sun. I find it funny that you're implying RTS experience os better than SC2 experience in a situation like this I think Roro was saving his strategies for PL. And he also isn't used to having play two matches in a day. sarcasm... Since M18M beat Flash in PL last season, it was obvious that B-teamers were catching up to TBLS. TBLS is lucky they transition to SC2 or they would have to wash dishes. How is Kespa on GSL level when only Reality made it through the qualifiers? You can say the top Kespa players (the fast adapting ones) are Code A/S level. But overall, I think ESF players are stronger than Kespa. Of course, with time, they will catch up. Your analogy is unfortunately flawed. M18M beating Flash is indeed a single instance. Kespa beating individual players is not a single instance in the same sense. Sure, Seed lost a single bo3, but GSL lost bo3s consistently. When the qualifiers were held, Kespa had two months less experience. They have only a few months worth of experience now, two months later. GSL was better during the qualifiers, unfortunately, same does not apply now. Which you of course know but for some reason chose to present this as a point anyway. They have pretty much caught up already. Guess we will see in OSL. Don't worry he still doesn't understand that every win happened in the losers bracket.
Yes, the win over the reigning GSL champion, 2-0 by the way, also happened in the losers bracket. Just to put things into context.
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On August 25 2012 04:16 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 04:12 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 02:01 Wildmoon wrote:On August 25 2012 01:56 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 01:37 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 01:33 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 01:23 vthree wrote:On August 24 2012 21:49 letian wrote:
Kespa transitioning to SC2 full time shall make a lot of players return to school, lol So the best Elephants got beat by a 15 year old who lost in Ro32 in Code S last season? WTF? I thought Kespa players were supposed to be good? Where is TBLS? Creator has probably been playing RTS for like 2-3 year? Yet kespa pros who practiced for 14 hours per day for 5-6 years are LOSING? But the guy who won Code S last season lost to an elephant. I guess even the best player in Code S is not good enough. lol, I guess my post went over your head. I am trying to make the point that you can't base everything off 1 series. I am happy players are doing well. But GSL champ losing to Kespa doesn't mean Kespa > ESF Players or vice versa. I am just trying to show you can make 'facts' very biased. Goody beat MMA.... Naniwa beat Nestea and Mvp back to back (they had 6 GSLs between them at that point)... How else would you explain a 15 year old (Creator) pwning seasoned RTS pros like Rain and Roro who were the best Kespa could offer? Btw, I think Seed was jetlagged and saving his builds for WCS Asia and WCS Global. Yes, generally when people mean something else than they say, then they are misunderstood. Of course, his point wasn't either that Kespa > GSL because of Roro beating Seed. His point is that Kespa is only going to better. Much better. And Kespa is already, quite frankly, on GSL level. How would I explain it? Easy. Creator despite being young, is actually, and unsurprisingly, far more experienced SC2 player than Roro or Sun. I find it funny that you're implying RTS experience os better than SC2 experience in a situation like this I think Roro was saving his strategies for PL. And he also isn't used to having play two matches in a day. Aren't all the players left in WCS a GSL players? It should be about equal if Kespa's players are as good as GSL in general. There's only few kespa players that standout. That would make sense if there were as many Kespa players in the tournament as GSL players. There were not. Of course now you're thinking of "but they failed to qualify". Sure, fair point, but they have progressed quite a bit since the qualifiers. Certainly then GSL players were better, but are they now? I doubt it. And there is no reason to think that the Kespa players who played in this tournament are a special case. They haven't been dominant in PL. The best Kespa players now quite likely are not the best in a few months. What I mean is that the rankings now are volatile due to lack of experience. On August 25 2012 02:02 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 01:56 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 01:37 vthree wrote:On August 25 2012 01:33 Squeegy wrote:On August 25 2012 01:23 vthree wrote:On August 24 2012 21:49 letian wrote:
Kespa transitioning to SC2 full time shall make a lot of players return to school, lol So the best Elephants got beat by a 15 year old who lost in Ro32 in Code S last season? WTF? I thought Kespa players were supposed to be good? Where is TBLS? Creator has probably been playing RTS for like 2-3 year? Yet kespa pros who practiced for 14 hours per day for 5-6 years are LOSING? But the guy who won Code S last season lost to an elephant. I guess even the best player in Code S is not good enough. lol, I guess my post went over your head. I am trying to make the point that you can't base everything off 1 series. I am happy players are doing well. But GSL champ losing to Kespa doesn't mean Kespa > ESF Players or vice versa. I am just trying to show you can make 'facts' very biased. Goody beat MMA.... Naniwa beat Nestea and Mvp back to back (they had 6 GSLs between them at that point)... How else would you explain a 15 year old (Creator) pwning seasoned RTS pros like Rain and Roro who were the best Kespa could offer? Btw, I think Seed was jetlagged and saving his builds for WCS Asia and WCS Global. Yes, generally when people mean something else than they say, then they are misunderstood. Of course, his point wasn't either that Kespa > GSL because of Roro beating Seed. His point is that Kespa is only going to better. Much better. And Kespa is already, quite frankly, on GSL level. How would I explain it? Easy. Creator despite being young, is actually, and unsurprisingly, far more experienced SC2 player than Roro or Sun. I find it funny that you're implying RTS experience os better than SC2 experience in a situation like this I think Roro was saving his strategies for PL. And he also isn't used to having play two matches in a day. sarcasm... Since M18M beat Flash in PL last season, it was obvious that B-teamers were catching up to TBLS. TBLS is lucky they transition to SC2 or they would have to wash dishes. How is Kespa on GSL level when only Reality made it through the qualifiers? You can say the top Kespa players (the fast adapting ones) are Code A/S level. But overall, I think ESF players are stronger than Kespa. Of course, with time, they will catch up. Your analogy is unfortunately flawed. M18M beating Flash is indeed a single instance. Kespa beating individual players is not a single instance in the same sense. Sure, Seed lost a single bo3, but GSL lost bo3s consistently. When the qualifiers were held, Kespa had two months less experience. They have only a few months worth of experience now, two months later. GSL was better during the qualifiers, unfortunately, same does not apply now. Which you of course know but for some reason chose to present this as a point anyway. They have pretty much caught up already. Guess we will see in OSL.
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