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FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4533 Posts
August 05 2012 21:11 GMT
#1301
On August 06 2012 06:09 MCDayC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2012 06:07 Dodgin wrote:
On August 06 2012 06:07 Fusilero wrote:
On August 06 2012 06:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On August 06 2012 06:04 MisterFred wrote:
LOL, New Star Heo Seo gets no respect. "Teamless," lol.


lol "He used to be on Team Jjakji..."

He used to be on team jjakji and those protosses that artosis screwed over.


Poor Sage...

what actually happened to him?
Last time I saw him he looked terrible, was it just a straight drop off in skill?

he was actually always only a high masters (korean masters) calibur player. Had a few good showings becuase of unorthadox style but he was never a 'great' player.
rest of players just caught up, makes him look even worse.
hi. big fan.
Porcelina
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3249 Posts
August 05 2012 21:11 GMT
#1302
On August 06 2012 06:09 MCDayC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2012 06:07 Dodgin wrote:
On August 06 2012 06:07 Fusilero wrote:
On August 06 2012 06:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On August 06 2012 06:04 MisterFred wrote:
LOL, New Star Heo Seo gets no respect. "Teamless," lol.


lol "He used to be on Team Jjakji..."

He used to be on team jjakji and those protosses that artosis screwed over.


Poor Sage...

what actually happened to him?
Last time I saw him he looked terrible, was it just a straight drop off in skill?


I have a distinct feeling from watching his games that his hype came from his very non-standard, and granted, very smart type of play. Not sure his mechanics were quite up to par. He also fell off during the Summer of 1/1/1. Never fully made it back or recovered. And yeah, he does not look very good these days, though I have only seen a handful of games.
Niflheim
Profile Joined February 2012
United States313 Posts
August 05 2012 21:11 GMT
#1303
On August 06 2012 06:09 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2012 06:07 Niflheim wrote:
The lack of knowledge about player teams by the casters is pretty interesting.. saying Thorzain is on the same team at hasu at the beginning of the cast and saying sting is teamless?


how is it "interesting" ?


Well I would expect the casters to be more knowledgable on the subject .. hence I find it interesting that they aren't
Pjorren
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden777 Posts
August 05 2012 21:11 GMT
#1304
I don't think Sting takes beasty seriously. Beasty just got completely outplayed that game.
YoungTyTy
Profile Joined November 2011
United States801 Posts
August 05 2012 21:11 GMT
#1305
On August 06 2012 06:10 Fubi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2012 06:02 ZAiNs wrote:
On August 06 2012 06:00 Fubi wrote:
On August 06 2012 05:51 ZAiNs wrote:
On August 06 2012 05:45 Fubi wrote:
On August 06 2012 05:44 Shikyo wrote:
On August 06 2012 05:43 Supter wrote:
On August 06 2012 05:41 Zambrah wrote:
On August 06 2012 05:41 YoungTyTy wrote:
On August 06 2012 05:39 flexgd wrote:
nerchio complaining in zvz...this is why u have to hate the guy

Dude, zvz is so imbalanced, the zerg player always loses.


Yeah, and the OP Zerg player always wins, its absurd.


I have the results since early 2012 : Zerg player win 100% of ZvZ. It's been since fucking months. I don't have the stats for 2011 and 2010 but afair, this was always totally imbalanced.

If there's 200 ZvZs, 100 Zergs win. This means that Zerg has 50% winrate, not 100%.

in 200 ZvZs, there will be 200 Zerg wins... think about it

200 Zerg wins, and 200 Zerg losses. Which means the win-rate and loss-rates are both 50% not 100%.

No, 200 wins out of 200 games played is 100% win rate; same for loss rate

Both win rate and loss rate are at 100%, not 50%

It's 200 wins out of 400 because you need to account for the losing player as well.

But you don't double count the # of games when you're calculating the win/loss rate.

If you play 200 TvZ, and T wins 100 games, it would be 100 wins out of 200 games played (100/200) = 50%, not 100/400

Guys, I think we're all missing the real point of this. Why doesn't protoss ever win in zvz? Blizzard needs to get on this immediately.
Any fool can ask more questions than a wise man can answer.
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
August 05 2012 21:12 GMT
#1306
On August 06 2012 06:10 Sakray wrote:
I think we can call Terran the cheesy king race

...this is news to you?
Kevan
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2303 Posts
August 05 2012 21:12 GMT
#1307
On August 06 2012 06:11 Niflheim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2012 06:09 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
On August 06 2012 06:07 Niflheim wrote:
The lack of knowledge about player teams by the casters is pretty interesting.. saying Thorzain is on the same team at hasu at the beginning of the cast and saying sting is teamless?


how is it "interesting" ?


Well I would expect the casters to be more knowledgable on the subject .. hence I find it interesting that they aren't

They do look good in pale makeup though.
SC2, rip in pepperinos
McFeser
Profile Joined July 2011
United States2458 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-05 21:13:31
August 05 2012 21:12 GMT
#1308
On August 06 2012 06:10 MCDayC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2012 06:09 Fusilero wrote:
On August 06 2012 06:09 MCDayC wrote:
On August 06 2012 06:07 Dodgin wrote:
On August 06 2012 06:07 Fusilero wrote:
On August 06 2012 06:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On August 06 2012 06:04 MisterFred wrote:
LOL, New Star Heo Seo gets no respect. "Teamless," lol.


lol "He used to be on Team Jjakji..."

He used to be on team jjakji and those protosses that artosis screwed over.


Poor Sage...

what actually happened to him?
Last time I saw him he looked terrible, was it just a straight drop off in skill?

My theory besides artosis is that he's less solid than we made him out to be, when his funky styles were figured out I suppose he started to fall apart.
Mostly artosis though.

Damn you Artosis!

Sting so cheesy.

So would Nestea really be the god of the universe if Artosis didn't talk him up?

Edit: and about Sage - Seed came back after a year hiatus. Sage might follow the same tune.
Promethelax still hasn't changed his quote
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
August 05 2012 21:12 GMT
#1309
On August 06 2012 06:10 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2012 06:10 AgentChaos wrote:
good cheese by sting, everyone seems to cheese lately

Sting qualified by cheesing first like mad.

Sting is a notorious cheeser and Beastyqt should have taken more precautions.
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
August 05 2012 21:12 GMT
#1310
On August 06 2012 06:12 Kevan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2012 06:11 Niflheim wrote:
On August 06 2012 06:09 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
On August 06 2012 06:07 Niflheim wrote:
The lack of knowledge about player teams by the casters is pretty interesting.. saying Thorzain is on the same team at hasu at the beginning of the cast and saying sting is teamless?


how is it "interesting" ?


Well I would expect the casters to be more knowledgable on the subject .. hence I find it interesting that they aren't

They do look good in pale makeup though.

you love everyone who's pale

+ Show Spoiler +
<3
Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
August 05 2012 21:13 GMT
#1311
On August 06 2012 06:10 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2012 06:09 MCDayC wrote:
On August 06 2012 06:07 Dodgin wrote:
On August 06 2012 06:07 Fusilero wrote:
On August 06 2012 06:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On August 06 2012 06:04 MisterFred wrote:
LOL, New Star Heo Seo gets no respect. "Teamless," lol.


lol "He used to be on Team Jjakji..."

He used to be on team jjakji and those protosses that artosis screwed over.


Poor Sage...

what actually happened to him?
Last time I saw him he looked terrible, was it just a straight drop off in skill?


He never recovered from his Artosis Curse, I don't even know if he's playing anymore.

Saw him streaming a couple of day ago.
[13:40] <Qbek> gosi i dreanmt about you
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
August 05 2012 21:13 GMT
#1312
On August 06 2012 06:12 McFeser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2012 06:10 MCDayC wrote:
On August 06 2012 06:09 Fusilero wrote:
On August 06 2012 06:09 MCDayC wrote:
On August 06 2012 06:07 Dodgin wrote:
On August 06 2012 06:07 Fusilero wrote:
On August 06 2012 06:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On August 06 2012 06:04 MisterFred wrote:
LOL, New Star Heo Seo gets no respect. "Teamless," lol.


lol "He used to be on Team Jjakji..."

He used to be on team jjakji and those protosses that artosis screwed over.


Poor Sage...

what actually happened to him?
Last time I saw him he looked terrible, was it just a straight drop off in skill?

My theory besides artosis is that he's less solid than we made him out to be, when his funky styles were figured out I suppose he started to fall apart.
Mostly artosis though.

Damn you Artosis!

Sting so cheesy.

So would Nestea really be the god of the universe if Artosis didn't talk him up?

Nestea created the curse to prevent artosis worshipping false gods.
Glorious SEA doto
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
August 05 2012 21:13 GMT
#1313
On August 06 2012 06:10 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2012 06:09 MCDayC wrote:
On August 06 2012 06:07 Dodgin wrote:
On August 06 2012 06:07 Fusilero wrote:
On August 06 2012 06:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On August 06 2012 06:04 MisterFred wrote:
LOL, New Star Heo Seo gets no respect. "Teamless," lol.


lol "He used to be on Team Jjakji..."

He used to be on team jjakji and those protosses that artosis screwed over.


Poor Sage...

what actually happened to him?
Last time I saw him he looked terrible, was it just a straight drop off in skill?


He never recovered from his Artosis Curse, I don't even know if he's playing anymore.

He has been streaming a couple of times lately, you must've missed him. I couldn't watch, though, don't know how good he is right now.
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
August 05 2012 21:13 GMT
#1314
On August 06 2012 06:11 Pjorren wrote:
I don't think Sting takes beasty seriously. Beasty just got completely outplayed that game.


It's something you need to always know how to do on that map. people really favor the expansion + marine openings, and there's 3 proxy locations to punish a terran who doesn't scout it.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
August 05 2012 21:13 GMT
#1315
plus you can follow up with reapers if you choose to proxy by the third base.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
the_business_og
Profile Joined April 2012
United States167 Posts
August 05 2012 21:13 GMT
#1316
what is the song that plays during the TSL4 ads in progress screen?
shanti
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
August 05 2012 21:13 GMT
#1317
Proxy marauder is hurting esport.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-05 21:14:27
August 05 2012 21:14 GMT
#1318
On August 06 2012 06:13 StarVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2012 06:10 Dodgin wrote:
On August 06 2012 06:09 MCDayC wrote:
On August 06 2012 06:07 Dodgin wrote:
On August 06 2012 06:07 Fusilero wrote:
On August 06 2012 06:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On August 06 2012 06:04 MisterFred wrote:
LOL, New Star Heo Seo gets no respect. "Teamless," lol.


lol "He used to be on Team Jjakji..."

He used to be on team jjakji and those protosses that artosis screwed over.


Poor Sage...

what actually happened to him?
Last time I saw him he looked terrible, was it just a straight drop off in skill?


He never recovered from his Artosis Curse, I don't even know if he's playing anymore.

He has been streaming a couple of times lately, you must've missed him. I couldn't watch, though, don't know how good he is right now.

He lost to a guy who's name isn't even translated on liquipedia and before that lost to deathangel in the preliminaries.
Glorious SEA doto
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
August 05 2012 21:14 GMT
#1319
On August 06 2012 06:10 Fubi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2012 06:02 ZAiNs wrote:
On August 06 2012 06:00 Fubi wrote:
On August 06 2012 05:51 ZAiNs wrote:
On August 06 2012 05:45 Fubi wrote:
On August 06 2012 05:44 Shikyo wrote:
On August 06 2012 05:43 Supter wrote:
On August 06 2012 05:41 Zambrah wrote:
On August 06 2012 05:41 YoungTyTy wrote:
On August 06 2012 05:39 flexgd wrote:
nerchio complaining in zvz...this is why u have to hate the guy

Dude, zvz is so imbalanced, the zerg player always loses.


Yeah, and the OP Zerg player always wins, its absurd.


I have the results since early 2012 : Zerg player win 100% of ZvZ. It's been since fucking months. I don't have the stats for 2011 and 2010 but afair, this was always totally imbalanced.

If there's 200 ZvZs, 100 Zergs win. This means that Zerg has 50% winrate, not 100%.

in 200 ZvZs, there will be 200 Zerg wins... think about it

200 Zerg wins, and 200 Zerg losses. Which means the win-rate and loss-rates are both 50% not 100%.

No, 200 wins out of 200 games played is 100% win rate; same for loss rate

Both win rate and loss rate are at 100%, not 50%

It's 200 wins out of 400 because you need to account for the losing player as well.

But you don't double count the # of games when you're calculating the win/loss rate.

If you play 200 TvZ, and T wins 100 games, it would be 100 wins out of 200 games played (100/200) = 50%, not 100/400

Obviously it wouldn't be out of 400 because you're only counting Terran games not Zerg games. If you listed out all the ZvZs it would be WLWLWLWLWLWLWLWL, hence 50%.
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-05 21:14:56
August 05 2012 21:14 GMT
#1320
putting the depot next to the minerals just to get that CC that much faster.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
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