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http://challonge.com/iptls1amateur -The amateur qualifier bracket
I don't understand the Amateur section. From what I gathered no teams are seeded into it and all have to qualify from open qualifiers. That being said, how many qualifiers are there going to be? A single one with the top 8 getting in? Or are you having multiple ones? Also, the broadcasts are going to start on Tuesday, but the first qualifier hasn't even happened yet to my knowledge? Are you broadcasting the qualifier rounds this week? There isn't even a deadline for applications in the OP. Can I get some more info on this?
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I'm pretty sure what you labled as the 'qualifier' is actually the Amateur Division itself.
This is the rest of the field. The 4 teams dropping down from the Contender Division will be seeded into a massive open (not semi-open like TAC, actually open) bracket that will contain all other interested teams. The top 4 teams will enter the Contender Division in the next season.
So I assume that the Amateur Division is like Code B in that it's just a large pool of teams that will be competing for a slot into Code A (Contenders). The top 4 teams from this bracket will be in the Contender Division next season. It's kind of a misnomer to give a single-elimination bracket the name 'division', but I assume they wanted to keep it as close to the Code S/A/B style as possible.
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any ameature team looking for a player, @RUFinalBoss.296
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NO! where is root gaming???
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On August 13 2012 01:51 zeratul_jf wrote:
NO! where is root gaming???
In the bracket
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On August 13 2012 01:12 Megiddosc wrote:I'm pretty sure what you labled as the 'qualifier' is actually the Amateur Division itself. Show nested quote +This is the rest of the field. The 4 teams dropping down from the Contender Division will be seeded into a massive open (not semi-open like TAC, actually open) bracket that will contain all other interested teams. The top 4 teams will enter the Contender Division in the next season. So I assume that the Amateur Division is like Code B in that it's just a large pool of teams that will be competing for a slot into Code A (Contenders). The top 4 teams from this bracket will be in the Contender Division next season. It's kind of a misnomer to give a single-elimination bracket the name 'division', but I assume they wanted to keep it as close to the Code S/A/B style as possible.
Ahh, I see. I assumed that the amateur division would be run in the same format of the other two divisions. I am not sure how I feel about this. Most of the rounds will probably feature two no-name teams playing against each other or a more well-known team and get crushed 90% of the time. For example, in the first round the only interesting match I see is Alt v Complexity Academy. I have seen some of Alt's matches before and they seem pretty solid, and complexity academy is always fun to watch to see if those players are improving. I have not really heard of most of the other teams, so I really can't comment. But, in the second round, with teams like FXO Europe, Light, and Root most of the matches won't even be close. I would much rather see something akin to the other two leagues. The talent is there to make it worthwhile to see more of the matches from the division. FXO, Light, Root, iS, its Gosu and others are all really strong teams and have good players and fan bases. Instead, the bracket system leads itself to 2 to 3 rounds of mis-matched matches and then a semi-finals and finals void of hype because they got in anyways. I'm all for giving newer and lesser known teams the ability to play on the big stage, but they should have to prove that they are ready first by playing a few matches in a qualifier, so that the stream isn't subject to continuous ROFL stomps.
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Group 2 compared to Group 1 is damn huge, haha! :D
Like the three best teams in the world in Group 2, at least when it comes to team leagues!
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Those are definitely understandable concerns VPreboot. To be honest, I'm not sure myself if what I said is correct. For instance, having 6 rounds in the schedule when there are only 5 tiers of the bracket doesn't add up. Nor does having a full week dedicated to 'round 6' if it is the finals. Maybe there will be divisional play like the other two divisions. I'm not sure. I imagine we'll find out more about it for sure today since that is when 'round 1' is scheduled to start.
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Well preboot it's not like they are going to cast all the matches (or are they? If so that would be cool but I assumed they were only going to broadcast a select few ones from the amateur bracket). I dunno I think you'll be surprised at some of the teams players are probably pretty good and can provide some good games. In general you might be right but amatuer division is a qualifier which isn't meant to be the most exciting thing to watch ever like the other 2 divisions.
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On August 02 2012 07:40 Gorlin wrote:
With the round robin, is point differential used to determine tie-breaks? Will it be all-kill format or the proleague format? (edit: just answered above me)
If it's all-kill, and uses point dif for tie breaks, I really don't like that. The way that seems to me is that teams will want to send their best players first and just hope that they all-kill since they won't want to drop any maps. This puts less emphasis on interesting usage and snipers, map choice, etc. This is still awesome news, but could you elaborate on this?
if they did put their best player in first it opens him up to being sniped wins are still more important and if they lose because the sent there best player in first then they'll stop. take for instance the very begining of the ipl team event when evil genuises faced reign. Evil Geniuses sent idra out first probably thinking he'd all kill the newly formed team and make them look good instead idra got sniped in the second game and the sniper whent on to take one more before losing making it 2-2. both teams traded on additional win until rgnkiwikaki killed the last two making a easy 5-3 win for reign. was it worth it to evil genuises to send there ace out first? heck no.
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On August 14 2012 12:56 magicallypuzzled wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 07:40 Gorlin wrote:
With the round robin, is point differential used to determine tie-breaks? Will it be all-kill format or the proleague format? (edit: just answered above me)
If it's all-kill, and uses point dif for tie breaks, I really don't like that. The way that seems to me is that teams will want to send their best players first and just hope that they all-kill since they won't want to drop any maps. This puts less emphasis on interesting usage and snipers, map choice, etc. This is still awesome news, but could you elaborate on this? if they did put their best player in first it opens him up to being sniped wins are still more important and if they lose because the sent there best player in first then they'll stop. take for instance the very begining of the ipl team event when evil genuises faced reign. Evil Geniuses sent idra out first probably thinking he'd all kill the newly formed team and make them look good instead idra got sniped in the second game and the sniper whent on to take one more before losing making it 2-2. both teams traded on additional win until rgnkiwikaki killed the last two making a easy 5-3 win for reign. was it worth it to evil genuises to send there ace out first? heck no.
idra's not the best player on EG :p
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Ohhhhh this looks awesomeeee
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On August 14 2012 12:59 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 12:56 magicallypuzzled wrote:On August 02 2012 07:40 Gorlin wrote:
With the round robin, is point differential used to determine tie-breaks? Will it be all-kill format or the proleague format? (edit: just answered above me)
If it's all-kill, and uses point dif for tie breaks, I really don't like that. The way that seems to me is that teams will want to send their best players first and just hope that they all-kill since they won't want to drop any maps. This puts less emphasis on interesting usage and snipers, map choice, etc. This is still awesome news, but could you elaborate on this? if they did put their best player in first it opens him up to being sniped wins are still more important and if they lose because the sent there best player in first then they'll stop. take for instance the very begining of the ipl team event when evil genuises faced reign. Evil Geniuses sent idra out first probably thinking he'd all kill the newly formed team and make them look good instead idra got sniped in the second game and the sniper whent on to take one more before losing making it 2-2. both teams traded on additional win until rgnkiwikaki killed the last two making a easy 5-3 win for reign. was it worth it to evil genuises to send there ace out first? heck no. idra's not the best player on EG :p
reading comprehension isn't your strong point is it? this matchup was played in the past in the past idra was their best player. well acually that isn't quite acurate as puma had been signed at that time but wasn't available.
the point still stands that out of the players they had available they choose to send their very best out first and got burned for it as reign only needed their third best to snipe him.
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On August 14 2012 12:59 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 12:56 magicallypuzzled wrote:On August 02 2012 07:40 Gorlin wrote:
With the round robin, is point differential used to determine tie-breaks? Will it be all-kill format or the proleague format? (edit: just answered above me)
If it's all-kill, and uses point dif for tie breaks, I really don't like that. The way that seems to me is that teams will want to send their best players first and just hope that they all-kill since they won't want to drop any maps. This puts less emphasis on interesting usage and snipers, map choice, etc. This is still awesome news, but could you elaborate on this? if they did put their best player in first it opens him up to being sniped wins are still more important and if they lose because the sent there best player in first then they'll stop. take for instance the very begining of the ipl team event when evil genuises faced reign. Evil Geniuses sent idra out first probably thinking he'd all kill the newly formed team and make them look good instead idra got sniped in the second game and the sniper whent on to take one more before losing making it 2-2. both teams traded on additional win until rgnkiwikaki killed the last two making a easy 5-3 win for reign. was it worth it to evil genuises to send there ace out first? heck no. idra's not the best player on EG :p
Reign vs EG took place nearly a year ago, right after EG signed Puma but before they acquired Huk. Puma did not end up playing. Back then, Idra was considered one of EG's big guns (Puma was arguably better, having just won NASL and IEM Cologne, but Puma was very new on the team and wasn't played).
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Is there a list somewhere of the Amateur teams or a bracket somewhere?
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I find the new format quite interesting, wondering just how well it will work in the tournament setting. Group 2 in Premier Division looks like the scariest, LG-IM, ST, Prime and TSL 0_o
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got admit that i was rather pleasently surprised to enjoy the first match up of the amatuer tournament. I rather expected to find the whole thing unprofessional with bad play and rage all around given that i had never heard of either of the teams in it.
instead i found both teams stream to be rather professional and ultimately enjoyable while i ended up picking zeez's stream due to the fact i don't speak spanish/latino what ever language isurus was using. i still left the stream with favorable impressions as there was a decent music played throughout and the caster some how managed to give of a nice pleasent dj vibe despite me not understanding a word he said.
zeez's stream in contrast was more like a small business trying to break out while they joked around every thing was kept professional and gave of the vibe that they were taking this very seriuosly and were excited for every win. the series was actually decently close and acually felt like it could go either way with neither side cheesing at all that i could tell.
i was unfortunately forced to leave for about an hour due to a prior commitment and while i do enjoy well done cheese them apparently not doing it at all actually lended a credibility to both teams being as evenly matched as they appeared.
all in all i'll root for the winner in the second round vs light (actually i might cheer for both teams as i kind of like light too) and i'll keep an eye out for the loser if they reappear in the next amatuer league seaon i'll be cheering them on as well.
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can sign in amateur league now?
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