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On August 02 2012 08:08 MCXD wrote:
What will the format of the up and down matches be? Two round robin groups, top 4 going up and bottom 4 going down (like the main divisions themselves)? Or simply pairing up the teams and having 4 stand-alone matches to determine the 4 teams going up and down?
That last option. Pairings based on group standings will decide who goes and who stays.
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On August 02 2012 07:55 IGNProLeague wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 07:45 opterown wrote:On August 02 2012 07:40 Gorlin wrote:
With the round robin, is point differential used to determine tie-breaks? Will it be all-kill format or the proleague format? (edit: just answered above me)
If it's all-kill, and uses point dif for tie breaks, I really don't like that. The way that seems to me is that teams will want to send their best players first and just hope that they all-kill since they won't want to drop any maps. This puts less emphasis on interesting usage and snipers, map choice, etc. This is still awesome news, but could you elaborate on this? yeah, i agree, point difference is not the best for allkill format So our plan for tiebreakers right now are head-to-head first (for two-team ties), then map score difference (i.e. 12-6 is better than 11-7 is better than 11-8, and so on).
hmm, i think the problem with that (as gorlin pointed out) is that teams will try to win as close to 5-0 5-1 etc as possible to maximise map difference. you'll see their ace (or best/streakiest) players play first and we will see kinda ehh matches i think like that. very different to see drg opening a match than closing it for example.
map difference works well in a huge league (see ksl season 1 2012) but i'm not sold on map difference for a group of four.
can i advocate an ace match bo7 with team-nominated aces for tiebreakers? =)
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On August 02 2012 08:11 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 07:55 IGNProLeague wrote:On August 02 2012 07:45 opterown wrote:On August 02 2012 07:40 Gorlin wrote:
With the round robin, is point differential used to determine tie-breaks? Will it be all-kill format or the proleague format? (edit: just answered above me)
If it's all-kill, and uses point dif for tie breaks, I really don't like that. The way that seems to me is that teams will want to send their best players first and just hope that they all-kill since they won't want to drop any maps. This puts less emphasis on interesting usage and snipers, map choice, etc. This is still awesome news, but could you elaborate on this? yeah, i agree, point difference is not the best for allkill format So our plan for tiebreakers right now are head-to-head first (for two-team ties), then map score difference (i.e. 12-6 is better than 11-7 is better than 11-8, and so on). hmm, i think the problem with that (as gorlin pointed out) is that teams will try to win as close to 5-0 5-1 etc as possible to maximise map difference. you'll see their ace (or best/streakiest) players play first and we will see kinda ehh matches i think like that. very different to see drg opening a match than closing it for example. map difference works well in a huge league (see ksl season 1 2012) but i'm not sold on map difference for a group of four. can i advocate an ace match bo7 with team-nominated aces for tiebreakers? =)
They can always change it the following season if they feel it necessary. Might be best to see what happens.
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Problem being there are a lot of good teams (iS, ROOT, Mill etc) who are wayyyy beyond "amateur" in status. Meaning that they'll crush the genuinely amateur teams that enter, and making the amateur bracket a "see how far you can get til you get a pro team" kind of situation.
Hopefully a team will breakout, but I doubt it.
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On August 02 2012 13:35 Larkin wrote:
Problem being there are a lot of good teams (iS, ROOT, Mill etc) who are wayyyy beyond "amateur" in status. Meaning that they'll crush the genuinely amateur teams that enter, and making the amateur bracket a "see how far you can get til you get a pro team" kind of situation.
Hopefully a team will breakout, but I doubt it.
Well, that's the case with any Open Bracket. Luck is huge
By the way, any info on prizepool or when the finals will be held (at IPL 6 or a separate event?)
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Another Prime vs ST? Awesome
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On August 02 2012 13:35 Larkin wrote:
Problem being there are a lot of good teams (iS, ROOT, Mill etc) who are wayyyy beyond "amateur" in status. Meaning that they'll crush the genuinely amateur teams that enter, and making the amateur bracket a "see how far you can get til you get a pro team" kind of situation.
Hopefully a team will breakout, but I doubt it.
I don't see why this is a problem. It's basically like Code B for the GSL or any other open bracket. I think you're getting too caught up on the word "amateur". If a team can't prove themselves in the amateur division then they obviously don't deserve to play in the contender division.
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On August 02 2012 13:35 Larkin wrote:
Problem being there are a lot of good teams (iS, ROOT, Mill etc) who are wayyyy beyond "amateur" in status. Meaning that they'll crush the genuinely amateur teams that enter, and making the amateur bracket a "see how far you can get til you get a pro team" kind of situation.
Hopefully a team will breakout, but I doubt it.
Perhaps "Amateur" division doesnt give the best description. Probably wouldve been more suitable to call it the "Open Division" or something similar. But maybe IGN thought having the word "amateur" would reinforce the point that teams don't have to be "pro" teams to enter (just have to meet the requirements).
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Looks good, I'm glad you guys are sticking to a team league as your online content. TAC3 is the thing I look forward to the most for sc2 content outside of big tournaments these days.
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Nice one adopting the GSTL format!
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Liquid vs EG to start off with? That has to be intentional lololol.
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On August 02 2012 15:18 Gamegene wrote:
Liquid vs EG to start off with? That has to be intentional lololol.
Of course! No other matchup, not even Prime-Startale, can get as much hype for the start of a new teamleague like EG-Liquid.
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I'm happy happy that IPL decided to give the round-robin format a chance. 
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The Amateur tournament starts this weekend, but no brackets or anything have been released.... when will teams receive this information? It would also help if we knew when matches were supposed to take place / etc.
Thanks!
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Wowwwww groups are so strink... can't wait to see Taeja v all 
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On August 07 2012 02:16 Xeris wrote:
The Amateur tournament starts this weekend, but no brackets or anything have been released.... when will teams receive this information? It would also help if we knew when matches were supposed to take place / etc.
Thanks!
that's what I am curious about to. Also are you guys going to cast just select matches in the amateur I imagine and not all?
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Liquid vs EG to start ^_^ looks exciting all around though!
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On August 02 2012 13:35 Larkin wrote:
Problem being there are a lot of good teams (iS, ROOT, Mill etc) who are wayyyy beyond "amateur" in status. Meaning that they'll crush the genuinely amateur teams that enter, and making the amateur bracket a "see how far you can get til you get a pro team" kind of situation.
Hopefully a team will breakout, but I doubt it.
Mill has a bad habit of underperforming, and players expected teams like Acer to get crushed pretty good before it turned out they weren't a one man team. In these team leagues I think upsets can happen very often, despite the occasional appearance of a team league bonjwa like DRG or Taeja. (I know I know... I shouldn't use that word... yet.)
Edit: And starting with Liquid vs EG is so fantastic. Good on IPL for taking full advantage of that fantastic situation.
Right now though, Thorzain, HuK, or Idra are going to have to pull off a MIRACLE versus Taeja to take down liquid.
...It might be an okay strategy to send JYP out first even, get him to pick off a zerg or two and try to lure out Taeja early so he has a chance of being sniped. I suppose maybe Puma might be able to beat Taeja, but personally I actually think the EG Foreigners would have a better chance.
Of course, we need to witness the awesomeness of the TAC3 finals first.
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prime vs startale woot, liquid vs EG oh yeah!
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also group 2 seems to be the group of death, my gosh is those 4 teams gstl semifinal worthy lol
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