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AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
August 02 2012 17:09 GMT
#2541
On August 03 2012 02:05 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 02:03 AxionSteel wrote:
On August 03 2012 02:02 sAsImre wrote:
On August 03 2012 02:01 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On August 03 2012 02:00 NEOtheONE wrote:
ForGG down needs to win this next one.

If he doesn't do another crappy 2 base timing he should be fine.... He did great and won the only macro game between them so far...


I can understand the tought process on metropolis but on ck...

I can't. You don't win that way on Metropolis...you win by not attacking at all apart from maybe some drops, splitting the map, getting ravens and bc's etc.



http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/maps/528
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/maps/528

You just don't win often on metro regardless of what you do.

I know the stats, but I think terrans have figured the map out a bit more of late with the split map play as opposed to hopelessly trying to "pressure" and push and just totally failing. It's not ideal but I think it's the best way
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-02 17:10:31
August 02 2012 17:09 GMT
#2542
On August 03 2012 02:07 MangoMountain wrote:
Terrans, explain to me the logic behind the marauder hellion. Why would you mass 2 units that aren't even good against queens to counter the metagame of massive amounts of queens


stim marau are decent against queens apparently :D
forGG living up his reputation.

On August 03 2012 02:09 AxionSteel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 02:05 sAsImre wrote:
On August 03 2012 02:03 AxionSteel wrote:
On August 03 2012 02:02 sAsImre wrote:
On August 03 2012 02:01 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On August 03 2012 02:00 NEOtheONE wrote:
ForGG down needs to win this next one.

If he doesn't do another crappy 2 base timing he should be fine.... He did great and won the only macro game between them so far...


I can understand the tought process on metropolis but on ck...

I can't. You don't win that way on Metropolis...you win by not attacking at all apart from maybe some drops, splitting the map, getting ravens and bc's etc.



http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/maps/528
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/maps/528

You just don't win often on metro regardless of what you do.

I know the stats, but I think terrans have figured the map out a bit more of late with the split map play as opposed to hopelessly trying to "pressure" and push and just totally failing. It's not ideal but I think it's the best way


Symbol dismantled MKP attempt in doing it, but I agree that against lower zerg it should work with at least a decent win rate. Still a stupid map but you're being called for terran qq if you remark that the only T favored map in map pool is Antiga and others are between 35 and 50%...
Zest fanboy.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 02 2012 17:09 GMT
#2543
On August 03 2012 02:07 MangoMountain wrote:
Terrans, explain to me the logic behind the marauder hellion. Why would you mass 2 units that aren't even good against queens to counter the metagame of massive amounts of queens

Zerg greedy, make drone drone -> go kill
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Zane
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania3916 Posts
August 02 2012 17:10 GMT
#2544
On August 03 2012 02:07 MangoMountain wrote:
Terrans, explain to me the logic behind the marauder hellion. Why would you mass 2 units that aren't even good against queens to counter the metagame of massive amounts of queens

If the zerg doesn't scout at all it's a pretty good build.
merz
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Sweden2760 Posts
August 02 2012 17:10 GMT
#2545
On August 03 2012 02:07 MangoMountain wrote:
Terrans, explain to me the logic behind the marauder hellion. Why would you mass 2 units that aren't even good against queens to counter the metagame of massive amounts of queens


Marauder > roach

Marauder decent vs Queen

Hellion > Ling/Baneling/Drone

Reasonable enough I guess.
Winners never quit, quitters never win.
leo23
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3075 Posts
August 02 2012 17:11 GMT
#2546
On August 03 2012 02:10 Zane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 02:07 MangoMountain wrote:
Terrans, explain to me the logic behind the marauder hellion. Why would you mass 2 units that aren't even good against queens to counter the metagame of massive amounts of queens

If the zerg doesn't scout at all it's a pretty good build.


Yup... But trust me if zerg scouts it... OR EVEN smells it it is an easy win for Z
banelings
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
August 02 2012 17:11 GMT
#2547
On August 03 2012 02:10 Zane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 02:07 MangoMountain wrote:
Terrans, explain to me the logic behind the marauder hellion. Why would you mass 2 units that aren't even good against queens to counter the metagame of massive amounts of queens

If the zerg doesn't scout at all it's a pretty good build.


and when you see the amount of top Z with 0 scouting... that was really nice from IdrA to drone scout each game, props to him.
Zest fanboy.
andis35
Profile Joined May 2011
Latvia346 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-02 17:12:02
August 02 2012 17:11 GMT
#2548
song atm?

in that asus commercial
sVnteen
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2238 Posts
August 02 2012 17:11 GMT
#2549
On August 03 2012 02:07 MangoMountain wrote:
Terrans, explain to me the logic behind the marauder hellion. Why would you mass 2 units that aren't even good against queens to counter the metagame of massive amounts of queens

it's not that hard to understand....
hellions kill lings
marauders kill roaches

queens don't kill anything so T wins if Z is unprepared
MY LIFE STARTS NOW ♥
Roybs
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Netherlands500 Posts
August 02 2012 17:13 GMT
#2550
Is Ret vs Suppy on stream now?
Kikiwoelmuis <3
TemplarCo.
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico2870 Posts
August 02 2012 17:13 GMT
#2551
NightEnd holy cow! Amazing PvP play!
With an average game length of 7m36s over his 6 games in GSL3, this is a no-brainer. BitByBit pulls more SCVs than yo momma at a club on Mar Sara. ♞
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
August 02 2012 17:14 GMT
#2552
such a greed from Puma. 3reaper double expo, double rax, double ebay....
Zest fanboy.
quannguyen
Profile Joined January 2012
Vietnam1390 Posts
August 02 2012 17:14 GMT
#2553
wow Nightend just wrecked Sase in that game.
Unlimited Warcraft Works and Super Starcraft Taisen ^^
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-02 17:15:27
August 02 2012 17:14 GMT
#2554
On August 03 2012 02:09 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 02:07 MangoMountain wrote:
Terrans, explain to me the logic behind the marauder hellion. Why would you mass 2 units that aren't even good against queens to counter the metagame of massive amounts of queens


stim marau are decent against queens apparently :D
forGG living up his reputation.

Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 02:09 AxionSteel wrote:
On August 03 2012 02:05 sAsImre wrote:
On August 03 2012 02:03 AxionSteel wrote:
On August 03 2012 02:02 sAsImre wrote:
On August 03 2012 02:01 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On August 03 2012 02:00 NEOtheONE wrote:
ForGG down needs to win this next one.

If he doesn't do another crappy 2 base timing he should be fine.... He did great and won the only macro game between them so far...


I can understand the tought process on metropolis but on ck...

I can't. You don't win that way on Metropolis...you win by not attacking at all apart from maybe some drops, splitting the map, getting ravens and bc's etc.



http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/maps/528
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/maps/528

You just don't win often on metro regardless of what you do.

I know the stats, but I think terrans have figured the map out a bit more of late with the split map play as opposed to hopelessly trying to "pressure" and push and just totally failing. It's not ideal but I think it's the best way


Symbol dismantled MKP attempt in doing it, but I agree that against lower zerg it should work with at least a decent win rate. Still a stupid map but you're being called for terran qq if you remark that the only T favored map in map pool is Antiga and others are between 35 and 50%...

I don't think it's an amazing strat or anything, I just think it's better than hopelessly banging your head against a brick wall trying to pressure I know MKP lost that game and it pissed me off, but it was a bit different, he tried to push and drop his opponent but got shut down quite hard and then tried to transition into ravens.
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
August 02 2012 17:14 GMT
#2555
How did Suppy 3-0 Kas???lol
Play your best
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 02 2012 17:14 GMT
#2556
On August 03 2012 02:11 sVnteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 02:07 MangoMountain wrote:
Terrans, explain to me the logic behind the marauder hellion. Why would you mass 2 units that aren't even good against queens to counter the metagame of massive amounts of queens

it's not that hard to understand....
hellions kill lings
marauders kill roaches

queens don't kill anything so T wins if Z is unprepared

Queen has same DPS as roach and effectively like twice the hp vs Marauders, mass Queens are very strong vs them
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13023 Posts
August 02 2012 17:14 GMT
#2557
On August 03 2012 02:09 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 02:07 MangoMountain wrote:
Terrans, explain to me the logic behind the marauder hellion. Why would you mass 2 units that aren't even good against queens to counter the metagame of massive amounts of queens


stim marau are decent against queens apparently :D
forGG living up his reputation.

Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 02:09 AxionSteel wrote:
On August 03 2012 02:05 sAsImre wrote:
On August 03 2012 02:03 AxionSteel wrote:
On August 03 2012 02:02 sAsImre wrote:
On August 03 2012 02:01 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On August 03 2012 02:00 NEOtheONE wrote:
ForGG down needs to win this next one.

If he doesn't do another crappy 2 base timing he should be fine.... He did great and won the only macro game between them so far...


I can understand the tought process on metropolis but on ck...

I can't. You don't win that way on Metropolis...you win by not attacking at all apart from maybe some drops, splitting the map, getting ravens and bc's etc.



http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/maps/528
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/maps/528

You just don't win often on metro regardless of what you do.

I know the stats, but I think terrans have figured the map out a bit more of late with the split map play as opposed to hopelessly trying to "pressure" and push and just totally failing. It's not ideal but I think it's the best way


Symbol dismantled MKP attempt in doing it, but I agree that against lower zerg it should work with at least a decent win rate. Still a stupid map but you're being called for terran qq if you remark that the only T favored map in map pool is Antiga and others are between 35 and 50%...

If I recall correctly MKP was way behind (because of the map but still), he didn't try to split map directly, he did it after "failing" with his attacks / pressure.
WriterMaru
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
August 02 2012 17:15 GMT
#2558
On August 03 2012 02:14 AxionSteel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 02:09 sAsImre wrote:
On August 03 2012 02:07 MangoMountain wrote:
Terrans, explain to me the logic behind the marauder hellion. Why would you mass 2 units that aren't even good against queens to counter the metagame of massive amounts of queens


stim marau are decent against queens apparently :D
forGG living up his reputation.

On August 03 2012 02:09 AxionSteel wrote:
On August 03 2012 02:05 sAsImre wrote:
On August 03 2012 02:03 AxionSteel wrote:
On August 03 2012 02:02 sAsImre wrote:
On August 03 2012 02:01 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On August 03 2012 02:00 NEOtheONE wrote:
ForGG down needs to win this next one.

If he doesn't do another crappy 2 base timing he should be fine.... He did great and won the only macro game between them so far...


I can understand the tought process on metropolis but on ck...

I can't. You don't win that way on Metropolis...you win by not attacking at all apart from maybe some drops, splitting the map, getting ravens and bc's etc.



http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/maps/528
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/maps/528

You just don't win often on metro regardless of what you do.

I know the stats, but I think terrans have figured the map out a bit more of late with the split map play as opposed to hopelessly trying to "pressure" and push and just totally failing. It's not ideal but I think it's the best way


Symbol dismantled MKP attempt in doing it, but I agree that against lower zerg it should work with at least a decent win rate. Still a stupid map but you're being called for terran qq if you remark that the only T favored map in map pool is Antiga and others are between 35 and 50%...

I don't think it's an amazing strat or anything, I just think it's better than hopelessly banging your head against a brick wall trying to pressure


imo 1rax FE - 5/6rax scv pull can be quite good. if Z skips speed it's almost an autowin.
Zest fanboy.
covetousrat
Profile Joined October 2010
2109 Posts
August 02 2012 17:15 GMT
#2559
Why OP stop updating games for each stream?
Orek
Profile Joined February 2012
1665 Posts
August 02 2012 17:15 GMT
#2560
Marauder hellion is really good if you deny all scouting with your initial hellions.
Without scouting, Zerg wonders if it is 1.)Old reactor hellion expand style or 2)Banshee follow up or 3)this marauder hellion
Reaction is different for each builds.

When viOLet was winning playhems months ago, he was losing to this marauder hellion all-in so many times.

Strong build, very all-in.
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